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Justice with Judge Jeanine on Fox News https://twitter.com/i/status/1287219198729519104I don't care if you don't like Trump, that's ok but if you like the safety of your family, having things peaceful and able to go onto vacation then at this point Trump is the only choice. People have died on the Streets of Seattle because of the will of the city counsel and yet they will not stop it. This can come to a city close to you if the wrong choice is made.
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 06:07:36 AM » |
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She's an upstate NY gal thats 'done good'. I like her. She doesn't hold back.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 08:03:51 AM » |
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She makes a pretty important point. Maybe the biggest point.
Don't listen to what he says, just watch what he does. You don't have to like him, you can even dislike him, but you should like our country, and he puts the country and the people first.
Watch what the other side is doing (destroying the country, for fun and self interest).
OK, so choose. There's only two choices. (any 3d party vote is abdication/abstention of personal responsibility)
If the madness is not making people come over to the side of light and reason, we are all doomed to the side of darkness and insanity.
Could the 2 million new first time gun owners be coming over to the side of light and reason? Please let it be so. Or can they be wisely arming up against the forces of darkness and insanity, but then still vote for them? How can that be possible?
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 08:24:31 AM » |
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' any 3d party vote is abdication/abstention of personal responsibility) '
I share that opinion, but, I know quite a few people [even friends] that do that. They have voted for the 'third party' candidate, Donald Duck, Mickey Mantle, etc. Though I can kinda sorta understand why they do that, Its a thrown away vote and waste of time to my way of thinking. But then I vote for what is usually the lesser of two evils, so,,,,,
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 08:44:25 AM » |
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Any vote for a third party is still a vote. I appreciate people who vote (regardless of which way). Some may think of them as "wasted". But, I disagree. One of the beautiful things we are afforded in our system, is the ability to vote our concience. A good example of it not being a wasted vote would be in our last election of 2016. Most of the votes for the Green Party in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania would have likely went for Clinton, which would have been enough to put her in power. I doubt many here would like to disregard those "wasted" votes. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 09:00:52 AM » |
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You can think of 3rd party votes as "protester" votes - where the voter doesn't think either of the major party candidates is worthy of voting for but definately against. And yes - I voted 3rd party last Presidential election. And I NEVER deliberately vote straight line ticket - if my choices end up there - they do - but that has rarely if ever happened.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 09:17:53 AM » |
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I have no problem with 3d party or write- ins in local elections.
When D's run unopposed in my district, I vote for the Easterbunny (multile times too).
But not in big important elections (state or federal).
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 09:24:45 AM » |
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I used to really try and research each person's stand when voting for congressional candidates and state and local government officials. Last couple times around I've seen such decay in the"opposition" platform that I voted straight line. Next time I will very likely do the same. Ain't gonna let the cancel culture cancel my our country altogether without a vote -- and maybe a fight if it comes to that! 
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 12:14:06 PM » |
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Any vote for a third party is still a vote. I appreciate people who vote (regardless of which way). Some may think of them as "wasted". But, I disagree. One of the beautiful things we are afforded in our system, is the ability to vote our concience. A good example of it not being a wasted vote would be in our last election of 2016. Most of the votes for the Green Party in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania would have likely went for Clinton, which would have been enough to put her in power. I doubt many here would like to disregard those "wasted" votes.  The Pennsylvania analogy is a good one but those could have also gone to Trump cutting down on the popular vote argument. Its not as though anyone tallies up the different people/characters that have been voted for. Nobody cares about anything except Red or Blue, the best of the two. There may be a category or even a percentage of also-rans/others , but, in the end no body cares. I think it is about time for a viable third party, but, would be very surprised to see it in my lifetime.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 01:28:42 PM » |
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I think it is about time for a viable third party, but, would be very surprised to see it in my lifetime.
Yeah, but it's got to be rational liberals, not wishy washy conservatives.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 04:21:26 PM » |
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Ok.... Today we have to viable parties in the political process. The Democrat party and the Republican Party.
Lets say we magically generate a third party. Lets say the "Libertarian" party. Where will most of its supporters come from? I suspect the republican party. Therefore, the party of the Democrats will win most elections since its (with the exception of the selection of our President) a majority rule.
Lets say we get a third party that is the "Socialist" party. Does anyone think that the Democrats will allow this party to come into existence since almost all of its members will come from the Democrat party? If you do, then I have some wonderful lake front property for sale.
So, lets say you get a Libertarian party and a Socialist party which gives us four parties. How do you suppose that elections will work out since you will need a majority response to win. You will have two elections. The first with all four parties (if they have nominees) then the next with the nominees from the parties having the highest vote count.
I don't like the current power structure of our two party system. But, in the case of the Republican party, its my fault for failure to be involved.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 05:23:50 PM » |
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Any vote for a third party is still a vote. I appreciate people who vote (regardless of which way). Some may think of them as "wasted". But, I disagree. One of the beautiful things we are afforded in our system, is the ability to vote our concience. A good example of it not being a wasted vote would be in our last election of 2016. Most of the votes for the Green Party in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania would have likely went for Clinton, which would have been enough to put her in power. I doubt many here would like to disregard those "wasted" votes.  it only happens about once a century, but.....................I gotta agree with Meathead on this one. One of the many things the two party system has foisted on us is the idea that a vote for anyone but them is wasted. Thank god for the Green Party and their saving us from the Hildabeast i next 2016.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2020, 07:26:05 PM » |
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I can agree on a three party system or voting conscious, the problem like some have said is we are not yet there. The the other problem with that is voting conscience may not allow the best candidate of the two to get elected. The two major parties in this election are very far apart in views and by siphoning votes off on a conscious vote while sounding good may get us the exact thing we don't want.
Its no secret I'm for Trump but the truth of the matter is if the dems win they have not brought up one policy that would be good for the country. Biden in no way is fit to be in office so the conscious vote may get us a VP as president that we did not elect and do not know.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2020, 04:40:15 AM » |
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I've always been a fan of hers. She is a very smart woman with her head on straight. She truly loves this country and despises anyone who works to tear it down. I wish she would run for higher office.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2020, 05:50:42 AM » |
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Mama Joe 2020 https://jo20.com/Libertarian views of the 2nd amendment align with mine.... Why can't I have a M1-Abrams in my garage?
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