Trump Whithouse savings

[Robert]

I  wonder why we dont hear of these kind of things about Trump from the media?
This is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things but it just represents how this president it watching out for this country and what he really is about.

There are 5 staffers for Melania as compared to forty four for Michell Obama

There are 140 fewer staff under Trump as compared to Obama

Trump gave his salary to the dept of the interior to be used to repair and construction on military cemeteries.

Trump donates $100K of salary to help repair monuments damaged by protests

[..]

For those that need facts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/06/30/trump-further-honed-the-white-house-2020-payroll-and-saved-us-taxpayers-235-million-since-2017/#320eb6eab83b

[..]

It just occurred to me that we shouldn't be surprised to see it reported as Trump contributing to unemployment.    

[Robert]

I wonder how much we have saved also in cancelling the Iran deal, the Paris Accord on climate change, NATO, NAFTA, And now the federal reserve with 1.8 T surplus is underwriting the latest bailout all because of Trumps decisions.

No matter how bad it is now it could have been so much worse if Trump had not instituted the changes he did.

[old2soon]

    Can't recall the figures but I remember too that Melania-First Lady-has a MUCH smaller staff than the one that had that title prior to her. Yeah-even with his foot shoots and I M H O current P O T U S Donald J. Trump be doin a cursed Good Job.
     Truth be tols I Am a tad Worried bout this next election. b&h appear to be waking up a Lot of moon bats. RIDE SAFE.

[RP#62]

I would like to see the press ask Biden if he will follow suit and donate his salary if elected.

-RP

[baldo]

LOLOL....

Let's take a look at that. You fellas get a warm and fuzzy because he's 'donated' his salary of $400,000.

Let's talk about what he's cost this country...

Just for his golf, upwards of $140,000,000.

How many trips to his estates? I don't know, but I'm sure we could find that.

How much has he bilked our Treasury for all the trips he's taken, where he overcharges our Treasury for all the SS and staff lodging for the HUNDREDS of trips to said properties? What does it cost for each one of these trips? These are questions that you should be asking, not getting all puffy at the news that he donates his salary.

And then there's his family. How much has our Treasury paid for his progeny to fly around the world for business and pleasure, at OUR EXPENSE? In what world is this remotely OK?

I will NEVER understand how you can overlook all the graft and corruption we've come to expect from his administration.

I can't wait for this election.

[RP#62]

LOLOL....

Let's take a look at that. You fellas get a warm and fuzzy because he's 'donated' his salary of $400,000.

Let's talk about what he's cost this country...

Just for his golf, upwards of $140,000,000.

How many trips to his estates? I don't know, but I'm sure we could find that.

How much has he bilked our Treasury for all the trips he's taken, where he overcharges our Treasury for all the SS and staff lodging for the HUNDREDS of trips to said properties? What does it cost for each one of these trips? These are questions that you should be asking, not getting all puffy at the news that he donates his salary.

And then there's his family. How much has our Treasury paid for his progeny to fly around the world for business and pleasure, at OUR EXPENSE? In what world is this remotely OK?

I will NEVER understand how you can overlook all the graft and corruption we've come to expect from his administration.

I can't wait for this election.

You mean unlike Obama, who evidently never golfed or whose wife never went on European shopping trips with her entourage?

-RP

[Alien]

I am not familiar with the Whithouse.  Is that a new golf resort of his?

Ride Safe,

Alien

[baldo]

LOLOL....

Let's take a look at that. You fellas get a warm and fuzzy because he's 'donated' his salary of $400,000.

Let's talk about what he's cost this country...

Just for his golf, upwards of $140,000,000.

How many trips to his estates? I don't know, but I'm sure we could find that.

How much has he bilked our Treasury for all the trips he's taken, where he overcharges our Treasury for all the SS and staff lodging for the HUNDREDS of trips to said properties? What does it cost for each one of these trips? These are questions that you should be asking, not getting all puffy at the news that he donates his salary.

And then there's his family. How much has our Treasury paid for his progeny to fly around the world for business and pleasure, at OUR EXPENSE? In what world is this remotely OK?

I will NEVER understand how you can overlook all the graft and corruption we've come to expect from his administration.

I can't wait for this election.

You mean unlike Obama, who evidently never golfed or whose wife never went on European shopping trips with her entourage?

-RP

Let's compare, shall we? This is at the two year mark, so you'll have to extrapolate for some sense of how bad it is today.

https://presidentialgolftracker.com/trump-vs-obama-golf-games/

And let's see...this is just for the roughly first two years after the inauguration when Melania stayed in NYC. Granted, she claimed she wanted her son to finish school before going to Washington. But there's a small matter of 21 trips between NYC and West Palm at a cost of about $675.000, FOR HER HAIR. But don't take it from me, read the article. And when you're done with that, there are countless more just waiting to be discovered.  https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-were-melania-flights-before-moving-to-the-white-house-2018-1

And do you REALLY want to play the B...B...B...But Obama game?

[Oss]

Counting games are fun....not

Turning a monstrous disaster of a budget, a recession with loss of so many jobs that
"will never come back"

INTO

jobs that came back, best unemployment rate for black white women asian

Money pouring in from China due to a President finally standing up for the USA to pay farmers and people out of work due to covid (I am not politicizing covid, IMHO it is strictly a CCP caused pandemic)

That money has kept us afloat, kept the stock market where our 401k and pension live and interest rates low.

I do not care what he spends on travel, it is now just part of the budget, like what every senator and congressperson gets plus that comfy pension and medical for life.  Want to change something? Change congress salaries and benefits so they only get paid when they are working and no pension That should be billions.

[John Schmidt]

Generally I won't disparage any president for taking trips for personal reasons, being the POTUS isn't exactly the easiest job in the world. And if you all recall(and if you don't, you need to), the majority of Trump's, or any president's, so-called personal trips included meetings with either foreign leaders & staff or his own staff. Many things have been accomplished over a spot of tea or the spot of a tee.

Granted, some of the trips leave all of them and their families open to some ridicule, especially by those of us that still have to keep our nose to the grindstone while their actions appear frivolous and wasteful. As a group, we fail to look at what's actually going on behind the scene and it's true....there are trips taken that are devoid of any political value. With that, I refer you back to my opening statement. How many of you complain(ed) about working for XX number of days or weeks without a break to recoup, and then decided to either take a couple vacation days or the boss gives you a 3-day weekend. All the presidents that have come and gone in my lifetime have taken advantage of the so-called "time off" and have done so at the taxpayer's expense. For the most part, it comes with the territory.

Yes, it's nice to see the Trump administration staff in general has saved a good chunk of change over previous residents. But I feel it's small change when compared to the overall savings we've experienced as a nation when you consider his actions and results re. trade deals, the EU members of the United Nations were forced to start paying their fair share, or rolling back useless and/or wasteful regulations....just to mention but a few.

When it comes to the issue of donating his salary, $400k is it(?), what a pitiful stipend for the position & responsibility a president holds. That salary alone is part of the reason the POTUS is allowed to do what they do on what's taken as totally personal. That position pays much less than a good corporate slot, and those people have nowhere near the responsibility. Look at it from a personal basis, some of us are much more frugal than others, I kinda fall in that category. Recently I compared my situation with a handful of aquaintances or family back in Florida & elswhere. Over half of them are still working and have an income above my retirement level. Yet, at the end of the month I have more in the old ckg. account and my savings account continues to grow. By no means am I a penny-pincher, I like the personal pleasantries. It's how I go about obtaining them that counts and sometimes things I might desire just show up as attainable and it comes as a bit of a surprise....with that I refer you to Psalm 37.

Re. the upcoming election, it won't be an easy or smooth one by any stretch. If Trump loses....so be it, although based on what he has accomplished thus far, all the while swimming upstream, I hope he prevails. Personally, I don't feel the Biden/Harris ticket is a good one for the nation as a whole, much too radical based on what we know thus far. Based on lack of real accomplishment in nearly five decades, I don't think Biden has much to offer and still has a good bit of baggage from recent activities overseas. As for Harris, pure lack of experience above being a government official on a local level I fear would leave her floundering.

All the above is my opinion, nothing more. Some is based on fact, some on personal conviction. Yours will most likely be different but maybe....just maybe....it will cause you to think. 

[Robert]

LOLOL....

Let's take a look at that. You fellas get a warm and fuzzy because he's 'donated' his salary of $400,000.

Let's talk about what he's cost this country...

Just for his golf, upwards of $140,000,000.

How many trips to his estates? I don't know, but I'm sure we could find that.

How much has he bilked our Treasury for all the trips he's taken, where he overcharges our Treasury for all the SS and staff lodging for the HUNDREDS of trips to said properties? What does it cost for each one of these trips? These are questions that you should be asking, not getting all puffy at the news that he donates his salary.

And then there's his family. How much has our Treasury paid for his progeny to fly around the world for business and pleasure, at OUR EXPENSE? In what world is this remotely OK?

I will NEVER understand how you can overlook all the graft and corruption we've come to expect from his administration.

I can't wait for this election.

I would be more than happy to tally up the costs of all his trips and then balance that against all the bad deals  that Trump changed out plus the salary he has given up. I would also need to put the cost of the billions in dollar bills that were shipped to Iran into the deal also. On Trumps side I would also want to put the money brought in by keeping businesses here and taking over the fed.

Then take that as a percentage and see who earned the US the most money and who took the least based on percentage.

If your up for this I would be more than happy to do this and we can compare notes.

I know how this is going to come out I wonder do you and if Trump wins would you change your vote?

I wonder how you justify Obama going into office with essentially nothing and then coming out of office with 3 mansions.

It also makes me wonder how you could vote for Biden since the Ukraine paid him a fortune, he has no mental sharpness and his VP soon to turn President is not black but Jamaican and Indian being paraded as black. Not to mention I dont have to tell you how she got to where she is.

You know I was just thinking if you can tell me any time Obama actually made money for the US I would love to hear it.

[f6john]

LOLOL....

Let's take a look at that. You fellas get a warm and fuzzy because he's 'donated' his salary of $400,000.

Let's talk about what he's cost this country...

Just for his golf, upwards of $140,000,000.

How many trips to his estates? I don't know, but I'm sure we could find that.

How much has he bilked our Treasury for all the trips he's taken, where he overcharges our Treasury for all the SS and staff lodging for the HUNDREDS of trips to said properties? What does it cost for each one of these trips? These are questions that you should be asking, not getting all puffy at the news that he donates his salary.

And then there's his family. How much has our Treasury paid for his progeny to fly around the world for business and pleasure, at OUR EXPENSE? In what world is this remotely OK?

I will NEVER understand how you can overlook all the graft and corruption we've come to expect from his administration.

I can't wait for this election.

You mean unlike Obama, who evidently never golfed or whose wife never went on European shopping trips with her entourage?

-RP

Let's compare, shall we? This is at the two year mark, so you'll have to extrapolate for some sense of how bad it is today.

https://presidentialgolftracker.com/trump-vs-obama-golf-games/

And let's see...this is just for the roughly first two years after the inauguration when Melania stayed in NYC. Granted, she claimed she wanted her son to finish school before going to Washington. But there's a small matter of 21 trips between NYC and West Palm at a cost of about $675.000, FOR HER HAIR. But don't take it from me, read the article. And when you're done with that, there are countless more just waiting to be discovered.  https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-were-melania-flights-before-moving-to-the-white-house-2018-1

And do you REALLY want to play the B...B...B...But Obama game?

It’s been a long 4 years for you Bob and you have been totally consistent through it all which is to be commended. Here’s hoping for 4 more years of prolonged misery for you, it is survivable, and I promise not to gloat too much.

[Willow]

... and his VP soon to turn President is not black but Jamaican and Indian being paraded as black. ...

So the dark people from Jamaica aren't blacks?

Although I do find it almost amusing that the two people of African descent that the Democrat party has promoted to gain the votes of descendants of American slaves were neither descendants of slaves.   

I'm pretty sure the dark people of Jamaica can legitimately be labeled as blacks. 

[Robert]

... and his VP soon to turn President is not black but Jamaican and Indian being paraded as black. ...

So the dark people from Jamaica aren't blacks?

Although I do find it almost amusing that the two people of African descent that the Democrat party has promoted to gain the votes of descendants of American slaves were neither descendants of slaves.   

I'm pretty sure the dark people of Jamaica can legitimately be labeled as blacks. 

Inside the plurality of Black Communities, African-American is a term used to differentiate Blacks of American descent from other groups so its unlikely for a Jamaican to identify as such, most will correct you for making that assumption, but there is a minority that stands as a exception to the rule.

I do have some Jamaican friends and they are quick to tell you they are Jamaican. Now you can argue heritage and origin but the culture is different for American blacks and Jamaicans. One is not necessarily going to accept the other as the same regardless.

Harris's ancestry does not go back to American slavery, to the best of my knowledge her ancestry does not go back to slavery at all.

Dinesh D'Souza
@DineshDSouza
(1) Kamala Harris’ father revealed his family is descended from one of Jamaica’s largest slave planters. This means Kamala is descended not from slaves but from slaveowners.

So really it may be a non issue to some but to others it may cost her votes.

[Willow]

... and his VP soon to turn President is not black but Jamaican and Indian being paraded as black. ...

So the dark people from Jamaica aren't blacks?

Although I do find it almost amusing that the two people of African descent that the Democrat party has promoted to gain the votes of descendants of American slaves were neither descendants of slaves.   

I'm pretty sure the dark people of Jamaica can legitimately be labeled as blacks. 

Inside the plurality of Black Communities, African-American is a term used to differentiate Blacks of American descent from other groups so its unlikely for a Jamaican to identify as such, most will correct you for making that assumption, but there is a minority that stands as a exception to the rule.

I do have some Jamaican friends and they are quick to tell you they are Jamaican. Now you can argue heritage and origin but the culture is different for American blacks and Jamaicans. One is not necessarily going to accept the other as the same regardless.
...

By your answer you clearly consider the African descended Jamaicans to be one of the "Black Communities" and yet you didn't say that she is not African American.  You said she was not black.

I was just joshing you a bit about the silliness of your statement.  I should have known better as you tend to go off on unrelated tangents.  I won't bother further.

[The emperor has no clothes]

... and his VP soon to turn President is not black but Jamaican and Indian being paraded as black. ...

So the dark people from Jamaica aren't blacks?

Although I do find it almost amusing that the two people of African descent that the Democrat party has promoted to gain the votes of descendants of American slaves were neither descendants of slaves.   

I'm pretty sure the dark people of Jamaica can legitimately be labeled as blacks. 

Inside the plurality of Black Communities, African-American is a term used to differentiate Blacks of American descent from other groups so its unlikely for a Jamaican to identify as such, most will correct you for making that assumption, but there is a minority that stands as a exception to the rule.

I do have some Jamaican friends and they are quick to tell you they are Jamaican. Now you can argue heritage and origin but the culture is different for American blacks and Jamaicans. One is not necessarily going to accept the other as the same regardless.

Harris's ancestry does not go back to American slavery, to the best of my knowledge her ancestry does not go back to slavery at all.

Dinesh D'Souza
@DineshDSouza
(1) Kamala Harris’ father revealed his family is descended from one of Jamaica’s largest slave planters. This means Kamala is descended not from slaves but from slaveowners.

So really it may be a non issue to some but to others it may cost her votes.

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

[Willow]

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

Slave raped by her owner?  That's a rather large jump to an assumption, an unsubstantiated assumption.   

[Rams]

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

Slave raped by her owner?  That's a rather large jump to an assumption, an unsubstantiated assumption.  

Was wondering about that allegation myself but, Willow beat me to it.  
I don't know squat about Harris except of her reported affair with Willie Brown...…..
Well, also her reported lack of support for LEOs and her anti-NRA/gun position when she was a Prosecutor.

Rams

[f6john]

Everyone be still. The Dems are having a moment of silence for George Floyd.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

Slave raped by her owner?  That's a rather large jump to an assumption, an unsubstantiated assumption.   

Trevor Burnard (a Professor of Slavery) , who wrote a book about Jamaican slave overseer Thomas Thistlewood, told us that if Kamala Harris’ father says he’s a descendant of Hamilton Brown, "I would be inclined to believe him."

It wouldn't be unusual for Harris to have "some slave owner heritage," Burnard said. "That would be extremely normal for members of Jamaica’s middle class, especially the educated elite, which is where Kamala Harris comes from."

While some official records have survived since Hamilton Brown was alive, Tom Zoellner, who wrote about the Jamaican rebellion of enslaved people in his book, "Island on Fire: The Revolt That Ended Slavery in the British Empire," noted that other records likely never existed at all. The slave-owner class in Jamaica wouldn’t necessarily want to document all of their descendants, some of which, he noted, may have been borne from raping an enslaved person.

It seems possible that Kamala Harris is as likely a descendant of a slave-owner as she is an enslaved person. Jessian Prince, who the family tree identified as Miss Crishy’s mother and would therefore be Kamala Harris’ great-great-grandmother, is listed on birth and death records as a "labourer." Almost always, Zoellner said, laborers in Jamaica at that time were "people of African extraction who were the children and grandchildren of enslaved people who had been freed in 1838."



Most family lore is unsubstantiated. Especially slave families. (It's a hell of a lot more substantial than Robert's BS)

[Rams]

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

Slave raped by her owner?  That's a rather large jump to an assumption, an unsubstantiated assumption.   

Trevor Burnard (a Professor of Slavery) , who wrote a book about Jamaican slave overseer Thomas Thistlewood, told us that if Kamala Harris’ father says he’s a descendant of Hamilton Brown, "I would be inclined to believe him."

It wouldn't be unusual for Harris to have "some slave owner heritage," Burnard said. "That would be extremely normal for members of Jamaica’s middle class, especially the educated elite, which is where Kamala Harris comes from."

While some official records have survived since Hamilton Brown was alive, Tom Zoellner, who wrote about the Jamaican rebellion of enslaved people in his book, "Island on Fire: The Revolt That Ended Slavery in the British Empire," noted that other records likely never existed at all. The slave-owner class in Jamaica wouldn’t necessarily want to document all of their descendants, some of which, he noted, may have been borne from raping an enslaved person.

It seems possible that Kamala Harris is as likely a descendant of a slave-owner as she is an enslaved person. Jessian Prince, who the family tree identified as Miss Crishy’s mother and would therefore be Kamala Harris’ great-great-grandmother, is listed on birth and death records as a "labourer." Almost always, Zoellner said, laborers in Jamaica at that time were "people of African extraction who were the children and grandchildren of enslaved people who had been freed in 1838."



Most family lore is unsubstantiated. Especially slave families. (It's a hell of a lot more substantial than Robert's BS)

May have????   Wow, now that's a stretch...……….   

Rams

[Willow]

So a slave is raped by her owner, has a child from this, and that makes the descendants from slave owners not slaves ?   That's some F'd up logic there.  

Slave raped by her owner?  That's a rather large jump to an assumption, an unsubstantiated assumption.  

Trevor Burnard (a Professor of Slavery) , who wrote a book about Jamaican slave overseer Thomas Thistlewood, told us that if Kamala Harris’ father says he’s a descendant of Hamilton Brown, "I would be inclined to believe him."

It wouldn't be unusual for Harris to have "some slave owner heritage," Burnard said. "That would be extremely normal for members of Jamaica’s middle class, especially the educated elite, which is where Kamala Harris comes from."

While some official records have survived since Hamilton Brown was alive, Tom Zoellner, who wrote about the Jamaican rebellion of enslaved people in his book, "Island on Fire: The Revolt That Ended Slavery in the British Empire," noted that other records likely never existed at all. The slave-owner class in Jamaica wouldn’t necessarily want to document all of their descendants, some of which, he noted, may have been borne from raping an enslaved person.

It seems possible that Kamala Harris is as likely a descendant of a slave-owner as she is an enslaved person. Jessian Prince, who the family tree identified as Miss Crishy’s mother and would therefore be Kamala Harris’ great-great-grandmother, is listed on birth and death records as a "labourer." Almost always, Zoellner said, laborers in Jamaica at that time were "people of African extraction who were the children and grandchildren of enslaved people who had been freed in 1838."



Most family lore is unsubstantiated. Especially slave families. (It's a hell of a lot more substantial than Robert's BS)

I suppose you read the same information that I read.  If so you saw that Hamilton Brown had two children by Jessian Prince and they were given Brown's name.  That does not speak of rape.

The assumption of rape is what I referred to as unsubstantiated.  Slavery in Jamaica was abolished in 1834.  Kamala's ancestor by Hamilton Brown was born in 1881.  That pretty well rules out a slave being raped by her owner.  

Yes, Kamala Harris is descended from slaves, and from a slave holder.

[baldo]

Everyone be still. The Dems are having a moment of silence for George Floyd.

Was that an attempt at humor? Hope not, cuz you suck at it.

[Robert]

I was just joshing you a bit about the silliness of your statement.  I should have known better as you tend to go off on unrelated tangents.  I won't bother further.

It is important to the narrative and for idealism for this election that Harris is black as in African American black and descended from slaves. The story that Meat said was all the proof needed and garners more support and sympathy although its so far from the truth. The left does not want to know the truth and as we see here reacts violently at the truth.  

It does not matter how I identify Harris or anyone else Jamaican born or black, its important how they identify themselves and no little matter to them.

The ideals they cling to is what shapes their personality and decisions and it does not have to come from skin color but background. That is why Harris is black not American black but a refined Jamaican black that separates itself from the whole US black experience. They typically are English and English blacks do not buy into the whole American black thing.

I worked for an English Jamaican, was he black yes, but it was not his skin color that decided the way he lives it was his upbringing and heritage. Meat pies, Jamaican rum, accent all so different from US blacks. He owned a business was fairly refined and did not get the whole hood, ghetto thing that dominates many of the American black.

I have found that Jamaicans are very proud of who they are and will correct you if you call them black not wanting to be identified with American Blacks as a whole.

I have been told in no certain terms by one of my friends that he is Jamaican not black. I was also told this by a friend I have from Zimbabwe. Neither one, wanting to identify with American Blacks and the whole black thing in America.

Harris's life has nothing to do with the impoverished blacks that the dems are looking to garner support from and present her as the first black VP. Its a sham all the way and we see that many have bought it lock stock and barrel.

So it is not a tangent, its something you seem not to understand and yet very important to those who's heritage and ideals are being misrepresented daily and used to gain votes simply based on skin color and not upbringing.

Obama's ideals were more colonial although he is black, that governed his decisions and how he saw the US as a whole. It came from his parents teaching, where he lived and his religion. It shaped his world view and it had nothing to do with black Americans. Obama saw the US as an occupying colonial power and the same can be said of Harris. They are both black but not an American black and as such will make much different decisions.

In the black community Uncle Tom is a slur to describe someone who is black but with white ideals. Your not one of us, one of the crowd, its not skin color that does this, its not heritage, its upbringing. So classifying someone on the grounds as black is like saying a Japanese person is white and American and will follow American ideals.

That is why the president has to be an American citizen born here. Although appearing the same, the ideals and understandings they have from another country must not effect the policies, in making laws and regulations that apply to the US.


Obama did not help the blacks because he identified with their ideals and experience, he helped them because he viewed the US as a colonial power and it should be more generous to the poor since it had plenty of money and robbed the world.

[Jersey mike]

Generally I won't disparage any president for taking trips for personal reasons, being the POTUS isn't exactly the easiest job in the world. And if you all recall(and if you don't, you need to), the majority of Trump's, or any president's, so-called personal trips included meetings with either foreign leaders & staff or his own staff. Many things have been accomplished over a spot of tea or the spot of a tee.

Granted, some of the trips leave all of them and their families open to some ridicule, especially by those of us that still have to keep our nose to the grindstone while their actions appear frivolous and wasteful. As a group, we fail to look at what's actually going on behind the scene and it's true....there are trips taken that are devoid of any political value. With that, I refer you back to my opening statement. How many of you complain(ed) about working for XX number of days or weeks without a break to recoup, and then decided to either take a couple vacation days or the boss gives you a 3-day weekend. All the presidents that have come and gone in my lifetime have taken advantage of the so-called "time off" and have done so at the taxpayer's expense. For the most part, it comes with the territory.

Yes, it's nice to see the Trump administration staff in general has saved a good chunk of change over previous residents. But I feel it's small change when compared to the overall savings we've experienced as a nation when you consider his actions and results re. trade deals, the EU members of the United Nations were forced to start paying their fair share, or rolling back useless and/or wasteful regulations....just to mention but a few.

When it comes to the issue of donating his salary, $400k is it(?), what a pitiful stipend for the position & responsibility a president holds. That salary alone is part of the reason the POTUS is allowed to do what they do on what's taken as totally personal. That position pays much less than a good corporate slot, and those people have nowhere near the responsibility. Look at it from a personal basis, some of us are much more frugal than others, I kinda fall in that category. Recently I compared my situation with a handful of aquaintances or family back in Florida & elswhere. Over half of them are still working and have an income above my retirement level. Yet, at the end of the month I have more in the old ckg. account and my savings account continues to grow. By no means am I a penny-pincher, I like the personal pleasantries. It's how I go about obtaining them that counts and sometimes things I might desire just show up as attainable and it comes as a bit of a surprise....with that I refer you to Psalm 37.

Re. the upcoming election, it won't be an easy or smooth one by any stretch. If Trump loses....so be it, although based on what he has accomplished thus far, all the while swimming upstream, I hope he prevails. Personally, I don't feel the Biden/Harris ticket is a good one for the nation as a whole, much too radical based on what we know thus far. Based on lack of real accomplishment in nearly five decades, I don't think Biden has much to offer and still has a good bit of baggage from recent activities overseas. As for Harris, pure lack of experience above being a government official on a local level I fear would leave her floundering.

All the above is my opinion, nothing more. Some is based on fact, some on personal conviction. Yours will most likely be different but maybe....just maybe....it will cause you to think. 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/teddy-roosevelt-vacations-121491

“Presidents don’t get vacations—they just get a change of scenery,” said Nancy Reagan in 1985 in defense of her husband’s frequent trips to his ranch in California. Indeed, modern presidents are expected to take working vacations—to manage affairs of state, read weighty and important works of nonfiction (dutifully chronicled by obliging press secretaries), keep in close contact with their advisers and, of course, be fully accessible to members of the fourth estate. If they dare mistime their getaways and find themselves, say, answering questions about war or peace on the ninth hole, they can expect the media to pillory them.“

“... when Theodore Roosevelt embarked each summer of his presidency for Oyster Bay, he wanted news paragraphs written by the thousands. The first president to master the modern craft of press relations, he transformed what had previously been a routine, mundane and (normally) private ritual into the media circus that we now recognize as the archetypal presidential vacation.“

“His successors—from Franklin Roosevelt, whose sojourns to Warm Springs invited tremendous scrutiny, and JFK, who spent nearly every weekend of his short tenure at family compounds in Florida or Hyannis Port; to George W. Bush and Barack Obama—have TR to thank for this recurring public theater.“

“President Obama can at least take solace in at least one certainty: After next summer, his vacations will once again be uninteresting to the rest of the world. Whomever is fortunate enough to succeed him in office cannot say the same.”

[Robert]

Hamilton Brown who owned plantations had a son named Hamilton Brown he took up with a free black woman and they had a child by the name of Christiana Brown. This is the line of Kamala Harris as told by her father Donald Harris a Stanford Professor in an article he published

The narrative of the left led to the slave master story of Kamala Harris and was propaganda all the way. Just like BLM, reparations and so much more. 

[Oss]

You touched on something I know from my lifetime of experience in the Bronx to be 100% true

All groups have prejudices against what to outsiders are the same

Illustration.  Jamaican immigrants (even 2 generations in) will look askance (down on) american blacks
They claim, with some merit, that there is a lack of a work ethic.
After all the welfare state is not one that most Jamaicans wish to take advantage of
There is an old joke that one Jamaican calls another lazy as he only have two jobs

When I repeat the joke to my Jamaican clients that I only had two jobs at a time during vacations I get the same "you cant be Jamaican not enough jobs" laugh response

Yes this is just an illustration  lazy crosses all boundaries
Guyanese are the same against american black and so are oriental people I have met

Thanks for the memory job Robert

[Robert]

During an appearance on the radio show “The Breakfast Club” in February, Kamala Harris joked with host Charlamagne tha God about her views on marijuana use. When asked whether she supported or opposed the legalization of the drug, she replied saying, “Half my family is from Jamaica. Are you kidding me?”

Her father was far from amused. In a statement to Jamaica Global Online, Donald wrote that “My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics.”

But hes black, so how do you really classify this man? By skin color or by his upbringing, by his nationality or his humanity?

It only serves as an example of ideology and separates Kamalas upbringing from how she is portrayed in the media and by the left today. She knew her family history thanks to her father and had a strong upbringing. she has more in common with the white slave owners and white America than she does with black America.

Sorry to say many bought into identity politics.


https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a33598837/kamala-harris-father-donald-j-harris-facts/

So who is posting BS now,  a true and factual first hand account from Kamala's father or some ideas and thoughts of a historian? It is scary what men will fabricate in their own minds to piece things together. If you put intentional deciet in there its no wonder today that anything is being distorted and bent for political use.

[hubcapsc]

[Biden] says businesses “have a responsibility to their workers, their community, to their country”—a truism. But he has also called for “an end to the era of shareholder capitalism.” He says it’s “untrue and a farce” that a company’s primary responsibility is to generate returns for shareholders.

So remember... a vote for the democrats is a vote against people
living on their retirement savings  ...

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

I was just joshing you a bit about the silliness of your statement.  I should have known better as you tend to go off on unrelated tangents.  I won't bother further.

It is important to the narrative and for idealism for this election that Harris is black as in African American black and descended from slaves. The story that Meat said was all the proof needed and garners more support and sympathy although its so far from the truth. The left does not want to know the truth and as we see here reacts violently at the truth.  

It does not matter how I identify Harris or anyone else Jamaican born or black, its important how they identify themselves and no little matter to them.

The ideals they cling to is what shapes their personality and decisions and it does not have to come from skin color but background. That is why Harris is black not American black but a refined Jamaican black that separates itself from the whole US black experience. They typically are English and English blacks do not buy into the whole American black thing.



Harris's life has nothing to do with the impoverished blacks that the dems are looking to garner support from and present her as the first black VP. Its a sham all the way and we see that many have bought it lock stock and barrel.

You (nor I) have any frigging idea what it is like to grow up with black or brown skin in America.

[Robert]

You (nor I) have any frigging idea what it is like to grow up with black or brown skin in America.

You are right and it really doesn't matter either, since you were willing to believe a false narrative in sympathy to Harris and defend her with no facts. That is a what identity politics is all about and that is the only point of all this. Hopefully this idea will not be lost on you.

They manipulated you into believing something that was false in order to garner support for Harris and Biden. All out of emotion, all out of a false painted picture.

These false beliefs lead to division and arguments which is being sown by the left for a purpose.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You (nor I) have any frigging idea what it is like to grow up with black or brown skin in America.

You are right and it really doesn't matter either, since you were willing to believe a false narrative in sympathy to Harris and defend her with no facts. That is a what identity politics is all about and that is the only point of all this. Hopefully this idea will not be lost on you.

They manipulated you into believing something that was false in order to garner support for Harris and Biden. All out of emotion, all out of a false painted picture.

These false beliefs lead to division and arguments which is being sown by the left for a purpose.

Coming from a QAnon Birther, I take that as high praise.

[f6john]

Everyone be still. The Dems are having a moment of silence for George Floyd.

Was that an attempt at humor? Hope not, cuz you suck at it.

Bob you take it how ever you like, you really do have a sour personality on the keyboard.

[Robert]

You (nor I) have any frigging idea what it is like to grow up with black or brown skin in America.

You are right and it really doesn't matter either, since you were willing to believe a false narrative in sympathy to Harris and defend her with no facts. That is a what identity politics is all about and that is the only point of all this. Hopefully this idea will not be lost on you.

They manipulated you into believing something that was false in order to garner support for Harris and Biden. All out of emotion, all out of a false painted picture.

These false beliefs lead to division and arguments which is being sown by the left for a purpose.

Coming from a QAnon Birther, I take that as high praise.

Biden would be proud of you.

Willow clean up in isle 3 

[f6john]

You (nor I) have any frigging idea what it is like to grow up with black or brown skin in America.

You are right and it really doesn't matter either, since you were willing to believe a false narrative in sympathy to Harris and defend her with no facts. That is a what identity politics is all about and that is the only point of all this. Hopefully this idea will not be lost on you.

They manipulated you into believing something that was false in order to garner support for Harris and Biden. All out of emotion, all out of a false painted picture.

These false beliefs lead to division and arguments which is being sown by the left for a purpose.

Coming from a QAnon Birther, I take that as high praise.

This is just great, another label to hang on people.

[Robert]

This is just great, another label to hang on people.

QAnon Birther, along with Christian, deplorable, unwashed and a whole host of other colorful cheerfully accepted names. I cannot think of a greater honor than to be maligned for stating the truth.

Bullies always do that don't they, intimidation the tactic of socialism, Antifa the typical example. Change or else.

With the arrest of The lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith we will see how much longer these people have to glorify themselves and falsify, cause riots, destruction, looting and destroy the economy. I would love to see the mayor of Seattle do a perp walk for abdicating his job along with many others.

[baldo]

Everyone be still. The Dems are having a moment of silence for George Floyd.

Was that an attempt at humor? Hope not, cuz you suck at it.

Bob you take it how ever you like, you really do have a sour personality on the keyboard.

What can I say, this board brings out the best in me.....

If you like my keyboard presence, you oughta meet me in person.....

[Willow]

Bob you take it how ever you like, you really do have a sour personality on the keyboard.

What can I say, this board brings out the best in me.....

If you like my keyboard presence, you oughta meet me in person.....

Actually, face to face you come across as a really nice guy.  Remotely (at the keyboard) you seem to turn into a real asshole.  I choose to believe that the real you is shown face to face.