Peaceful protest? Score one for the good guys!!

[Bighead]

Warning this video is graphic. A bunch of Peaceful Antifa guys were trying to assault this security guard.  Well guess what he produces a weapon and defends himself. Kills two and another will likely lose his arm. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. If he hadn’t had his weapon he would likely be dead.  I think they got what they deserved. The whole lotof them scattered like roaches when tbe lights come on when the shots started.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEW35cTghfY/?igshid=1wqubm6exzlbg
Oh also it wasnt on MSM for some time now that  it is, they are just saying some protesters were killed didn’t mention they were trying to beat this guy into oblivion. 

[f6john]

Wake up call. Maybe they will learn, maybe not. Surprised it took this long to happen.

[JimC]

Let's hear it for the good guy!

Jim

[Jess from VA]

I cannot see that vid.

If you are talking about the Kenosha shooting, they have charged the 17yo shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse) with murder.

Self defense is viable, but he has a very large hill to climb.  

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

[Bighead]

I cannot see that vid.

If you are talking about the Kenosha shooting, they have charged the 17yo shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse) with murder.

Self defense is viable, but he has a very large hill to climb.  

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

Jess if you see the video it is 100% self defense. The DA should be disbarred to bring charges on this guy.

[carolinarider09]

Another source for the video

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-2-killed-during-3rd-night-violence-kenosha-grisly-shootings-captured-video

[Jess from VA]

I have seen that one.

As I understand it, he was there to help guard some business.  He had already shot (and killed) one guy (perhaps with justification) before this video.  I'm not sure why he is running here.  There is certainly an argument for self defense in the 2d shooting.  He actually does pretty good from the ground.

He is in a world of trouble.  And only 17. 

I do not recommend running around alone with a rifle in a riot (if you are not on the riot's side).

If these criminal rioters bring this stuff to the common people, they should prepare for this sort of thing.

They also have charged him with interstate flight to avoid prosecution. (tail wagging dog)

[Patrick]

I think there is more to this than the videos show. I think the  shooter is the same 17 yr old fella that was shooting about a block or 2 away just before the videos started. He looks like he was being chased and tripped and fell. Then he shot those that approached him. I think he is in big trouble.

[Valkorado]

I do not recommend running around alone with a rifle in a riot (if you are not on the riot's side).

 

Not sure I'd even recommend takin' your wares to the streets, even if you're on the "correct" rioting side! (the ones wearing the white hats).  Not to say I'd put it past me in an extreme dire situation.  Even if the reason was clearly  justifiable, I'd try to remember the lawmen and women probably won't see it the same way.  I'd like to think I would put a great deal of thought into it, anyway.  My trigger finger ain't all that itchy -- yet.  Plus, I lost my only gun in a tragic boating accident.  But I digress...

Admittedly the more I watch American cities and monuments being destroyed, the itchier my phalanges get.   I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Probably not a good time to defund the police.  

[Serk]

[Bighead]

I do not recommend running around alone with a rifle in a riot (if you are not on the riot's side).

 

Not sure I'd even recommend takin' your wares to the streets, even if you're on the "correct" rioting side! (the ones wearing the white hats).  Not to say I'd put it past me in an extreme dire situation.  Even if the reason was clearly  justifiable, I'd try to remember the lawmen and women probably won't see it the same way.  I'd like to think I would put a great deal of thought into it, anyway.  My trigger finger ain't all that itchy -- yet.  Plus, I lost my only gun in a tragic boating accident.  But I digress...

Admittedly the more I watch American cities and monuments being destroyed, the itchier my phalanges get.   I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Probably not a good time to defund the police.  

Tell me more about those white hats.
And can you honestly say if you were being attacked by a mob and you were armed you wouldn’t do the same? 
I applaud the young man and I know it is a long shot but the jury should aquit him unless you happen to be a leftist thinking the mob was doing nothing wrong.

[Jess from VA]

Now you understand why what you put on social media is important (and apparently lasts forever) (words or pictures).

Nice looking kid.

The top charge of 1st degree murder seems as much based on placating rioters as enforcing justice.  But it's always a good way to get a couple pleas to manslaughter.

Here's a spin:  Underage policeman wannabe travels from IL to WI with rifle looking for trouble, and finds it.  

I am sorry for him, and for his parents (who I have questions for).

I hope he is not talking, at all.  

[Valkorado]

I do not recommend running around alone with a rifle in a riot (if you are not on the riot's side).

 

Not sure I'd even recommend takin' your wares to the streets, even if you're on the "correct" rioting side! (the ones wearing the white hats).  Not to say I'd put it past me in an extreme dire situation.  Even if the reason was clearly  justifiable, I'd try to remember the lawmen and women probably won't see it the same way.  I'd like to think I would put a great deal of thought into it, anyway.  My trigger finger ain't all that itchy -- yet.  Plus, I lost my only gun in a tragic boating accident.  But I digress...

Admittedly the more I watch American cities and monuments being destroyed, the itchier my phalanges get.   I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Probably not a good time to defund the police.  

Tell me more about those white hats.
And can you honestly say if you were being attacked by a mob and you were armed you wouldn’t do the same? 
I applaud the young man and I know it is a long shot but the jury should aquit him unless you happen to be a leftist thinking the mob was doing nothing wrong.

You take me wrong.

I would absolutely have done the same.  Like Jess said, I wouldn't have been there to begin with.  Not without a whole bunch of like minded and similarly armed "friends", anyway. 

[Bighead]

What about the WHITE hats? Not understanding that?

[Valkorado]

What about the WHITE hats? Not understanding that?

I was making a "Western" joke in reference to the thread title.  Rioters, = "bad guys" black hats.  Patriots" = "good guys", white hats.

[Rams]

Now you understand why what you put on social media is important (and apparently lasts forever) (words or pictures).

Nice looking kid.

The top charge of 1st degree murder seems as much based on placating rioters as enforcing justice.  But it's always a good way to get a couple pleas to manslaughter.

Here's a spin:  Underage policeman wannabe travels from IL to WI with rifle looking for trouble, and finds it.  

I am sorry for him, and for his parents (who I have questions for).

I hope he is not talking, at all.  

Jess,
Is there something condemning about that picture?   If so, I don't see it.   
I guess it might depend on the viewer's attitude and political leanings.
If you were prosecuting, how would that picture play a role in seeking a guilty verdict?

Rams

[Jess from VA]

Well Ron, he's obviously a gun nut and therefore predisposed to use one violently. (sarcasm)

I guess it might depend on the viewer's attitude and political leanings. Ya think?

Also I'm not up on IL law, but at 17 he cannot own a handgun, and he can only own a rifle with an IL FOID card, which I think requires 21 too.  Perhaps it's OK with parental consent.  

The photo is fine if you are not facing 2 murder one charges (likely using the same rile), which requires evidence of premeditation.  

[Rams]

Well Ron, he's obviously a gun nut and therefore predisposed to use one violently. (sarcasm)

Well, there is that...……..  All you gun nuts are nutty anyway. 

Rams

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665383/One-shot-dead-two-wounded-BLM-protesters-defy-curfew-Kenosha.html

[Serk]

[Jess from VA]

Amen brother. 

Most of those pictures (C phones?) in Paul's link do nothing but solidly bolster a claim of self defense.

See the guy in black with the big bat wisely do nothing. 

Then he surrenders and they drive right by him.

Now I want to hear about the first shoot.. before this.     
 

 

[baldo]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

[..]

https://summit.news/2020/08/27/video-analysis-proves-kyle-rittenhouse-did-not-shoot-first/

[cookiedough]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

I agree even if I do NOT know the whole story,  he was from IL came into WI only age 17 and last I knew it is illegal in WI to walk around fully armed on the street with any type of gun.    Gee, you think if I walked up and down my street with a shotgun loaded or unloaded someone would call the local cops and have me arrested.    This kid is nuts he will be in jail a very long time.  Self defense or no,  not firing first himself,  he is guilty but how long he is behind bars will vary.

3 places I would never live in WI is Kenosha-Racine,  Milwaukee, and Beloit all 3 within 1 1/2 hours from me with Beloit about 45 minutes away.

[Jess from VA]

If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin.

[GiG]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

The woke Blado determined that the many weapon wielding thugs beating the 17 year old were "innocent".
End of story, nothing to see here.

[Rams]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young (alledgedly) to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He (alledgedly) shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

I agree even if I do NOT know the whole story,  he was from IL came into WI only age 17 and last I knew it is illegal in WI to walk around fully armed on the street with any type of gun.    Gee, you think if I walked up and down my street with a shotgun loaded or unloaded someone would call the local cops and have me arrested.    This kid is nuts he will be in jail a very long time.  Self defense or no,  not firing first himself,  he is guilty but how long he is behind bars will vary.

3 places I would never live in WI is Kenosha-Racine,  Milwaukee, and Beloit all 3 within 1 1/2 hours from me with Beloit about 45 minutes away.

Gosh, apparently innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply...………  

I only know what the "news media" has said.   You guys know something the rest of us don't?  I have no idea about what happened with the two folks killed.   The video shown of the kid and protesters running down the street would definitely be a plus for the defense in my opinion.   Self Defense in it's most classic form.  

Reference the two protestors killed, there seems to be a lack of knowledge with the exception that the kid has been charged.  Again, I ask, do you have knowledge of what happen with the two dead folks or are you just joining in with the mob?  If you knew something prior to posting your condemnations, please share.

Edited:  Upon re-review of that video, I now realize the people that he is charged with killing were part of the group attempting to catch him and attacking him. 

Hopefully information will come forth for all of us to see but, I most surely would eliminate folks who make such judgements from a jury pool with the limited information currently available.

Being attacked seems like a good reason to protect one's self to me.

Rams  

[Serk]

last I knew it is illegal in WI to walk around fully armed on the street with any type of gun.    Gee, you think if I walked up and down my street with a shotgun loaded or unloaded someone would call the local cops and have me arrested.

From my reading, it's perfectly legal to walk around in public carrying a long gun in WI.

"If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin. "

There's some discussion as to if he was legally allowed to at only 17, that's a legal grey area:

"John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply. "

Source:  https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

[Serk]

IMHO people who are looking for trouble don't usually spend their day cleaning up the filth from the real troublemakers, er, I mean "peaceful protesters"...

People who care about their communities and want to make the world a better place, however, would do such a thing.

[Alien]

I cannot see that vid.

If you are talking about the Kenosha shooting, they have charged the 17yo shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse) with murder.

Self defense is viable, but he has a very large hill to climb.  

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

I hope his future cellmates find him extremely attractive.

[f6john]

This wannabe reportedly has his Mom drive him? to Kenosha, with a gun he's too young to possess, to 'guard and protect' property which no one asked him to do. He shoots and kills two people for reasons unknown. Makes his way back home to Illinois and is arrested the next day.

This kid went there looking for trouble, found it, and now two innocent people are dead, a third badly wounded.

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

Remember the old saying, Assholes have opinions, no wait, Opinions are assholes, Assholes are like opinions, no no now I remember, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Whew, glad we got that cleared up.

[Serk]

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

They did start one, but because of double standards GoFundMe shut it down.

Luckily though attorney L. Lin Wood (The lawyer who represented wrongly accused Centennial Olympic Park bombing suspect Richard Jewell and also the lawyer who made "MAGA Hat Kid" Nicholas Sandmann the highest paid person at CNN) is putting together a defense team pro bono, bringing in Pierce Bainbridge as well.

[Rams]

I cannot see that vid.

If you are talking about the Kenosha shooting, they have charged the 17yo shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse) with murder.

Self defense is viable, but he has a very large hill to climb.  

I hope they start a go fund me for him.  

I hope his future cellmates find him extremely attractive.

That's sick.   

Remember that if you or a loved one is incarcerated. 

Rams

[Robert]

Wow the left sees this guy as a nut, among innocent protesters? REALLY? WTF is wrong with you?

I agree with Serks posts, the thin Vail of civility is easily pulled down when you threaten the businesses, life, property, and lively-hood and there is no police response for justice to be served.

Its in our Constitution that we can protect ourselves and all it takes is a few to decide to be organized and take the justice that is not being met out into their own hands.

The protesters are doing things to provoke a reaction they got what they deserved.

Father of 19-year-old fatally shot in Seattle’s CHOP zone files claims seeking $3 billion in damages

Real life games have real life consequences and the protesters to this point have not realized this.

[Alien]

In my experience, law enforcement enthusiasts who aren't cops and military enthusiasts who have never served are often disturbed individuals.

Be that as it may, he didn't defend himself from an unprovoked attack.  This child purposely sought out an unstable situation, travelled some distance to insert himself into that situation and joined the fray carrying a rifle.  Predictably, things got real and he panicked and starterd shooting.  Alternately, maybe he went there with the intention of shooting someone.  I don't know but, either way, he is far from an innocent victim.

[baldo]

If found guilty, he deserves a lifetime in prison.

Gosh, apparently innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply...………   

I only know what the "news media" has said.   You guys know something the rest of us don't?  I have no idea about what happened with the two folks killed.   The video shown of the kid and protesters running down the street would definitely be a plus for the defense in my opinion.   Self Defense in it's most classic form.   

Reference the two protestors killed, there seems to be a lack of knowledge with the exception that the kid has been charged.  Again, I ask, do you have knowledge of what happen with the two dead folks or are you just joining in with the mob?  If you knew something prior to posting your condemnations, please share.

Hopefully information will come forth for all of us to see but, I most surely would eliminate folks who make such judgements from a jury pool with the limited information currently available.

Rams 

[Serk]

To me it says a TON about the young man's intentions and character - after the first violent thug threw a brick at him and forced him to defend himself, he COULD have just opened fire indiscriminately, he COULD have tried to run away and blend in.

What did he do? He immediately pulled out his phone and called for help.

He tried to stay and render aid but the violent thugs continued to attack him, but he made every effort, once the immediate threat was eliminated, to deescalate the situation and stop and render air.

[Alien]

In what world does shooting people de-escalate a situation?

[Robert]

In my experience, law enforcement enthusiasts who aren't cops and military enthusiasts who have never served are often disturbed individuals.

Be that as it may, he didn't defend himself from an unprovoked attack.  This child purposely sought out an unstable situation, travelled some distance to insert himself into that situation and joined the fray carrying a rifle.  Predictably, things got real and he panicked and starterd shooting.  Alternately, maybe he went there with the intention of shooting someone.  I don't know but, either way, he is far from an innocent victim.

So what you are telling me two groups of people descended on this town both with the idea of trouble on their minds and it got out of hand because one was better equipped, is that what you are telling me? Because if this is the case both came for trouble and found it. All I can say is the rioters brought this on themselves by destroying property and lives. People are not going to sit forever and watch the destruction of their cities. Personally if it was my business in my city I would be standing out front defending my rights, business and life as Im sure anyone here would.

You dont go provoking a fight and expect nothing to happen the kid may have come to stop perceived violence by the protesters, he may have done it the wrong way, but I tell you its a warning since most I talk to are about fed up with the nonsense. If they want a fight and think it cool to destroy peoples lives I have no sympathy for them and in fact will cheer this kid since its the warning shot fired that could have much graver consequences.

Im pretty confident that if someone tried to take something away from you that there would be a problem, so why is it so hard to call the protesters exactly what they are thieves and hoodlums. Are you like the mayor of Seattle or Chicago that untill it hit their street and threatened their house it was ok?

[Serk]

In what world does shooting people de-escalate a situation?

In what world does throwing a brick at someone de-escalate a situation?

Once the rioter escalated the situation to a lethal level a lethal response was justified. And once the immediate threat was neutralized, Mr. Rittenhouse tried to de-escalate.

If he was really the depraved blood thirsty maniac the MSM is trying to paint him as he could very easily have continued to drop rioters left and right. But he didn't. He stopped and attempted to render aid.