Friend dropped plastic tube into oil fill hole and rode bike

[longrider]

As the title said.  He made 500 or so miles.  Engine sputtered a couple of times and died.  fortunately while pulling out from a fuel stop so not out on the road.  My feeling is this engine may be toast as the oil pump screen will be plugged as well as some oil galleys.  Any thoughts as to saving this engine.  Maybe fill with diesel and try to flush a few times.  Does this engine have a low oil pressure shutdown?  Friend did say it idled real slow once the previous fuel stop and the oil light was illuminated.

[Rams]

I don't pretend to be a Valkyrie mechanic but, any oil starved engine has the probability of requiring a complete rebuild.  You really won't know until it's broken down and inspected.   

You or he can try cheap fixes but, whatever he dropped into the oil most assuredly needs to be removed.  Here's a bump for your thread, hopefully someone can give you a better answer than myself.  If nothing else, I'm sure someone would be happy to take that bike off his hands for the right deal.

Rams

[Pete]

Seen this before. Screen is blocked and restricted oil flow. Screen must be cleaned manually, so year down is required, might as well replace bearings, rings,etc as needed.

[Bigwolf]

You will not be able to “flush” that engine back to health!  A complete tear down is now the only possible dependable fix.

[Robert]

So the question is why did the engine die? 

Are you saying the engine died because it seized up?

If that was the case then you have to take it apart but I would check the reason that it died before I went on to assume the oil was the problem. You also need to check because if it did die from lack of oil then how are the rings, cams and bearings and such and do you have compression or did it break the cam belt or strip the teeth if a cam locked up.

You would want to know what you are getting into before you took it apart to properly asses the damage and make sure why it died. I would hate to have you take the whole thing apart on an assumption and it be a fuel issue.

[Alien]

Many things MAY have happenned but the only way to know for sure, and to be sure that the engine is completely clean is to tear it down.  There's just no way around it.

Ride Safe,

Alien

[Alien]

Curious - Where did the plastic tube come from?

[Sorcerer]

Was this on a Valk? As you said the oil light was on. Was that before or as it died? If so depending on the age and mileage of the bike a donor motor may be a better way to proceed.

[longrider]

He said he over filled the engine changing oil.  Added  tube to an old cooking baster to get in far enough to remove a bit of oil.  The engine still turns over fine but will not fire.  Thats why I was asking about low oil pressure shut down.   For 20 bucks worth of diesel I think he should flush it.    why not. 

I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

[Robert]

I don't think it has a low oil pressure cut off You can bypass the sender and see if it will start.

[Tx Bohemian]

A buddy of mine has a '99 HD Duece. Evidently HD was attempting to be cheap (maybe more competitive) and they used plastic cam-chain guides that over time / miles would deteriorate and come apart in small pieces which would end up plugging oil galleries.  This was well known by HD (and all their mechanics) but they never put out a recall!

This happened to my buddy when he was on a Hill country ride here in Texas. He said it started running bad, lost power (I assume it started running on 1 of the only 2 cylinders) then just quit!  Causing him and his group all kinds of issues as they were out of cellphone range and had to "double up" 12 miles to the nearest convenience store to a payphone (luckily there was one still around) then had to wait for a wrecker to find them and haul it back to his hotel where his trailer was (yeah, they trailer their bikes!).
And it was down for a good 6-8 months.

[RP#62]

I know this doesn't help, but I have to ask - he knowingly ran the engine, on a trip no less, with a foreign object bouncing around in the crankcase.  How did he come to rationalize that this would be ok?

-RP

[Alpha Dog]

He said he over filled the engine changing oil.  Added  tube to an old cooking baster to get in far enough to remove a bit of oil.  The engine still turns over fine but will not fire.  Thats why I was asking about low oil pressure shut down.   For 20 bucks worth of diesel I think he should flush it.    why not. 

I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

Feel sorry for your friend.  The same exact thing happened to me spring of 2019, only it was on my Victory Cross Country and not my Valkyrie.  I used a bulb siphon with a plastic 1/4 inch diameter 6 inch length of hose attached to get down to the oil, I had over filled by maybe 4 to six ounces.  Then I watched as the hose fell off.  Boy did I feel foolish and started to fret over this predicament.  I  tried to fish it out with long nose needle pliers but could not find it.  So I drained the oil and luckily could see the hose. However that small fill hole did not allow me to grab the hose and bring it out.  So when existing tools do not work make your own.  I found the smallest fishing jig ( a 1/64 oz I use on bluegills ) straightened the hook a bit, and taped it to a very small stick.  I was able to insert it into the hose opening, and the small jig barb provided enough pressure that I lifted it out.  

[Willow]

I know this doesn't help, but I have to ask - he knowingly ran the engine, on a trip no less, with a foreign object bouncing around in the crankcase.  How did he come to rationalize that this would be ok? 

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I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

[Rams]

He said he over filled the engine changing oil.  Added  tube to an old cooking baster to get in far enough to remove a bit of oil.  The engine still turns over fine but will not fire.  Thats why I was asking about low oil pressure shut down.   For 20 bucks worth of diesel I think he should flush it.    why not. 

I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

Feel sorry for your friend.  The same exact thing happened to me spring of 2019, only it was on my Victory Cross Country and not my Valkyrie.  I used a bulb siphon with a plastic 1/4 inch diameter 6 inch length of hose attached to get down to the oil, I had over filled by maybe 4 to six ounces.  Then I watched as the hose fell off.  Boy did I feel foolish and started to fret over this predicament.  I  tried to fish it out with long nose needle pliers but could not find it.  So I drained the oil and luckily could see the hose. However that small fill hole did not allow me to grab the hose and bring it out.  So when existing tools do not work make your own.  I found the smallest fishing jig ( a 1/64 oz I use on bluegills ) straightened the hook a bit, and taped it to a very small stick.  I was able to insert it into the hose opening, and the small jig barb provided enough pressure that I lifted it out.  

We've all made silly and sometimes dumb mistakes.   I've never done that particular one but, I assure you, I've made more than my fair share.   Adapting that fishing lure for your retrieval was using your noggin.   Have to remember that one.   Wait, I don't have any fishing gear.   Dang!!!

Rams

[Chrisj CMA]

He said he over filled the engine changing oil.  Added  tube to an old cooking baster to get in far enough to remove a bit of oil.  The engine still turns over fine but will not fire.  Thats why I was asking about low oil pressure shut down.   For 20 bucks worth of diesel I think he should flush it.    why not. 

I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

Wow. The valkyrie has this strange thing on the bottom of the motor. You unscrew it and oil comes out. I have overfilled a bike before and let out a few cups with the drain plug. It’s a little messy getting it back in if you take it all the way out but it’s not that’s bad. Sorry to hear of the situation

[98valk]

He said he over filled the engine changing oil.  Added  tube to an old cooking baster to get in far enough to remove a bit of oil.  The engine still turns over fine but will not fire.  Thats why I was asking about low oil pressure shut down.   For 20 bucks worth of diesel I think he should flush it.    why not. 

I think I need to find smarter friends.  LOL

Wow. The valkyrie has this strange thing on the bottom of the motor. You unscrew it and oil comes out. I have overfilled a bike before and let out a few cups with the drain plug. It’s a little messy getting it back in if you take it all the way out but it’s not that’s bad. Sorry to hear of the situation

he should have removed the oil filter and drained it or installed a new one.  I believe oil filter is about three to four ounces.

[sheets]

When she wasn't looking . . .  I borrowed the wifeunits shampoo bottle with the pump from her shower. Inserted the pump tube in the filler hole . . . pumped out the excess ounces. And don't forget to purge the dark brown gooey stuff from the pump before you return her shampoo jug to the shower.   

[Robert]

When she wasn't looking . . .  I borrowed the wifeunits shampoo bottle with the pump from her shower. Inserted the pump tube in the filler hole . . . pumped out the excess ounces. And don't forget to purge the dark brown gooey stuff from the pump before you return her shampoo jug to the shower.   

 

I had to change the oil on a boat didn't have anything to drain the oil. But I did have a vacuum available so sure enough heated the engine up a bit and sucked the oil out. Actually worked great but a little messy. 

[Ramie]

https://www.harborfreight.com/multi-use-transfer-pump-63144.html?_br_psugg_q=fluid+pump

[longrider]

I'll let let him know you all give him your support.  LOL   Oh by the way,  he is a KIWI so has an excuse.

I advised to look for a good used engine from a m/c salvage

Thanks

Warren

[Dusty]

Warren

I know of a spare valk engine on Vancouver Island. I will try and get some info to pass on .

Dusty

[longrider]

This a 2009 Goldwing 1800     Thanks for the offer