How division and white privelge narrative is really being pushed

[Robert]

Its not Trump or conservatives that are dividing this country but here is the corporate push for this division along with allowing the riots in cities.  A very sick and sad use of corporate power and authority to program people that work for them.

Sandia executives have made it clear: they want to force critical race theory, race-segregated trainings, and white male reeducation camps on their employees—and all dissent will be severely punished. Progressive employees will be rewarded; conservative employees will be purged.

Keep this in mind: Sandia Labs is a federally-funded research agency and designs America's nuclear weapons. Senator @HawleyMO and @SecBrouillette have launched an inspector general investigation, but Sandia executives have only accelerated their purge against conservatives.

Peterson—who took a stand at grave risk to his career—says he is speaking on behalf of all of Sandia employees who are "scared to speak out" because of the lab's repressive culture. "If I get fired because of this," Peterson says, "the fight does not end, it only intensifies."

This is the first explicit rebellion against critical race theory in the federal government—and the coalition is growing. "We need to completely rip [critical race theory] out of Sandia root and stem," Peterson says. "It is cancer and we need to get it out of the labs right now."

Pushing Back on the Narrative of Modern Systemic Racism & White Privilege by Casey Petersen
https://youtu.be/zyNW9nlFDBk

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sandia-labs-goes-nuclear-employee-who-sparked-internal-revolt-over-critical-race-theory

[Oss]

It is not just there Robert   We have met and you know me well I believe.

Recently I responded on an email in a group of hundreds of lawyers bemoaning that jurists were afraid to open their courtrooms and be exposed to the chinese cooties  It was tongue in cheek obviously

I had floated a safe plan to open court in early April using empty schools, smart phones and plastic

The judge and clerk with file in the courtroom in the courthouse not the school
AFter being grouped in the open gymnasium by what part (B-M) they are led to one of
  10 classrooms with plastic down the middle
Tenant counsel and Tenant on one side with smart phones (their own free obama phone or paid phone) or use tablet provided by court and Landlord and his atty on the other

We could use docusign so nobody touches something used by the other

court attorney in front of room

On deck circles in the hallway so cases will move swifty

Nobody touching anyone, all can wear their masks

We could have easily moved 20,000 (that is a minimum) cases in 100 days this is a fact !

Instead the court said no thank you, we have no plan and still have no plan while small landlords suffer grievous financial ruin and we are more than 40000 cases behind now, no warrant issued since march 13, and court is hearing no trials

A chinese atty posted he had been spit on *which had nothing to do with my post of course and you
should have seen the piling on   I apologized to the person (and to the chief judge who wrote me back saying move past it she knows what kind of man I am )  for any offense, denied umbrage, did not get a response back and still the free lawyer DiBlasio army is sending me emails and posting about
my email like it was an attack

Guess what   IT IS A CHINESE VIRUS        Do we marginalize people who say German Measles?
French Toast?   Black eyed Peas?  White Bread?  

Meanwhile my chinese clients call it the CCP VIRUS and that is what I usually use to describe it as the corrupt godless communists gave it to the world.

I stand my ground  If one can purchase beer, cigarettes, toilet paper and go to Wallmart we can have court open  It is a right guaranteed by the Constitution but not in Democratic NYC

Every thursday at noon I am protesting with clients in front of Bronx Supreme Court and soon we will be going to Albany to meet legislators and hopefully Cuomo

There is no white privilege, there may be class privilege but that crosses all races

[carolinarider09]

It has been my belief, that for the last 10 -20 years, the Democrat Party has listened to Julius Caesar "Divide and Conquer"

It is the easiest and simplest method to control a population.  Split the population into groups.  Assign the groups certain "defining" qualities to ensure that the groups cannot combine into one.  Then pander to each group with laws and offerings, thus making the groups dependent on those passing the laws and making the offerings. 

"Pit race agains race, religion against religion, prejudice against prejudice. Divide and conquer!  We must not let that happen here"

Elanor Roosevelt

"In the 16th century, [Niccolò] Machiavelli - in an attempt to get back in the good graces of the powerful - wrote a slim volume called The Prince. In that book he showed the powers that be how to control the people. That book is a statement: separate and rule, divide and conquer. That's five hundred years ago and it still works, because we allow ourselves to be lead around with holes through our noses."

Maya Angelou

And the real outcome of the "Divide and Conquer" effort.

"A kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life."

Sun Tzu

[Robert]

I feel for you in NY right now and trying to get justice is almost impossible. Deblasio has single handedly undone years of work that started with Koch. I never knew what it would take to deconstruct a city and in NY we are seeing it happening in front of our eyes and very quickly. They are not the majority but they are the vocal majority right now.

I am also sorry about the shovel and the your loss.

keep on going your clients are very fortunate to have you since most would not care at all.

The MTA says it is now preparing for a "doomsday scenario" that could include a 40% cut in service for both commuter trains and busses, resulting in longer wait times, lane closures, fare hikes and massive job cuts.

[Robert]

Tennessee Teachers Are Worried You'll Overhear What They Teach Your Kids

Teachers are worried you’ll hear what they teach your kids

A Tennessee school district asked parents to sign a form agreeing not to listen in or “eavesdrop” on online classes.

Tennessee mom says parents asked to sign 'ridiculous' waiver they will not eavesdrop on kids' online lessons

Several teachers expressed concern about parents overhearing “honest conversations about gender/ sexuality” in his classroom which usually has a “what happens here stays here” policy.

Apparently these gender and sexuality-obsessed public school teachers want to have sensitive conversations with your children behind your back.

[Jersey mike]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

[..]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

The moment he said he was in the running for the Presidency.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

When you discriminate against blacks trying to rent from you-------you might be a racist.

When you call for the death penalty for the black juveniles who were wrongly convicted---------you might be a racist.

When you use the N word with your family-----------you might be a racist


These things all happened way before he strode down the escalator.

[Oss]

Then I guess my black clients are all racists   I probably have 3/4 of my clients are dark skinned
 balance hispanic, guyanese (they do not want to be called black), oriental mostly chinese, caucasian and mixed.

They are all the same to me, people with problems who want to live the american dream

They want to see income and no criminal record and no violent sex crime record before renting.  

Most seem to want all murderers hanged publicly

As to the N word, really?  Older african immigrants and working families you will not hear the word
But on the street every young person uses that word as instead of hey man its hey n&^^^^r this or that

Talk about double standard

[The emperor has no clothes]

Then I guess my black clients are all racists   I probably have 3/4 of my clients are dark skinned
 balance hispanic, guyanese (they do not want to be called black), oriental mostly chinese, caucasian and mixed.

They are all the same to me, people with problems who want to live the american dream

They want to see income and no criminal record and no violent sex crime record before renting.  

Most seem to want all murderers hanged publicly

As to the N word, really?  Older african immigrants and working families you will not hear the word
But on the street every young person uses that word as instead of hey man its hey n&^^^^r this or that

Talk about double standard

I think black people using the N word is misguided and counter productive. But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?

[Robert]

The reason Trump is president is because we had Biden, Pelosi, and so many in congress for 40years and NOTHING ever got better for blacks, whites. Even electing a black president did not work, I don't call that racist I call that corruption, ineptitude, cronyism, and poor job performance along with a purposeful goal to destroy US sovereignty.

We never heard anything about being racist until Obama and the free hand outs that did absolutely nothing to change peoples lives. Why Obama could have made changes to the Police and NEVER did.

Obama did not make jobs, bring jobs back to the US, did not even have a clue how to do it. Sold out the US on many occasions, gave billions of dollars away even a few plane full of greenbacks to enemy countries and nothing changed for the better in the US.

So a black president, did not make things better for black people and really Trump is doing a better job of it for blacks, Latinos, and all races and colors and he is called racist.

[98valk]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

When you discriminate against blacks trying to rent from you-------you might be a racist.

When you call for the death penalty for the black juveniles who were wrongly convicted---------you might be a racist.

When you use the N word with your family-----------you might be a racist


These things all happened way before he strode down the escalator.

1) "When you discriminate against blacks trying to rent from you-------you might be a racist."

You are a falsifier, perjurer, and prevaricator, for this never happened.

They were not rented to because they didn't meet financial requirements. AKA no job, no money, not enough monthly income AKA no ability to pay the rent and security deposit.  Get it.  the more u post the more people see how much u lack in knowledge and comprehension.
clearly you were never a landlord.

2) "When you call for the death penalty for the black juveniles who were wrongly convicted"

you are not a nice person
At the time they all admitted to the rape in '89, when Trump said that.
 Not until '02 was it proven they didn't do it and only because the real serial rapist was caught and confessed to it.
 '14 they were all given 40m.
the more u post the more people see how much u lack in knowledge and comprehension.

[scooperhsd]

Then I guess my black clients are all racists   I probably have 3/4 of my clients are dark skinned
 balance hispanic, guyanese (they do not want to be called black), oriental mostly chinese, caucasian and mixed.

They are all the same to me, people with problems who want to live the american dream

They want to see income and no criminal record and no violent sex crime record before renting. 

Most seem to want all murderers hanged publicly

As to the N word, really?  Older african immigrants and working families you will not hear the word
But on the street every young person uses that word as instead of hey man its hey n&^^^^r this or that

Talk about double standard

I think black people using the N word is misguided and counter productive. But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?

I don't see any difference - if they  can use it, so can I.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Then I guess my black clients are all racists   I probably have 3/4 of my clients are dark skinned
 balance hispanic, guyanese (they do not want to be called black), oriental mostly chinese, caucasian and mixed.

They are all the same to me, people with problems who want to live the american dream

They want to see income and no criminal record and no violent sex crime record before renting. 

Most seem to want all murderers hanged publicly

As to the N word, really?  Older african immigrants and working families you will not hear the word
But on the street every young person uses that word as instead of hey man its hey n&^^^^r this or that

Talk about double standard

I think black people using the N word is misguided and counter productive. But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?

I don't see any difference - if they  can use it, so can I.

If that's what makes you happy, go for it. You'd still be wrong though.

[Willow]

I think black people using the N word is misguided and counter productive. But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?

I don't see any difference - if they  can use it, so can I.

If that's what makes you happy, go for it. You'd still be wrong though.

Agreed and so are they.  It's either acceptable or not.  If you allow something by one race but are offended when it's used by another race you are by definition racist.

[markymark640]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

Maybe you find this article

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

It appears he has a long history of racist statements record by the press dating back to 1973.

[scooperhsd]

I think black people using the N word is misguided and counter productive. But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?

I don't see any difference - if they  can use it, so can I.

If that's what makes you happy, go for it. You'd still be wrong though.

Agreed and so are they.  It's either acceptable or not.  If you allow something by one race but are offended when it's used by another race you are by definition racist.

And this is the point I was making - either EVERYBODY can use it or NOBODY can use. If they find it offensive for someone besides themselves to use it, then they should set the example and not use it as well.

[Willow]

I’ve asked myself many times, how and when did The President become a racist?

Maybe you find this article

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

It appears he has a long history of racist statements record by the press dating back to 1973.  

This is the crap you come up with?

On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly made explicitly racist and otherwise bigoted remarks, from calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, to proposing a ban on all Muslims entering the US, to suggesting a judge should recuse himself from a case solely because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.

Neither Mexicans nor Muslims are a race.  Further, the President did not say all Mexicans are criminals and rapists.  He did say that among illegal aliens there are criminals and rapists.  Incidentally, one who violated U.S. law by entering the country illegally is a criminal.    

[Robert]

Trump Lands Major Endorsements From Democrat Mayors in Minnesota

"Like many in our region, we have voted for Democrats over many decades. We have watched as our constituents' jobs left not only the Iron Range, but our country. By putting tariffs on our products and supporting bad trade deals, politicians like Joe Biden did nothing to help the working class. We lost thousands of jobs, and generations of young people have left the Iron Range in order to provide for their families with good-paying jobs elsewhere. Today, we don't recognize the Democratic Party. It has been moved so far to the left it can no longer claim to be advocates of the working class. The hard-working Minnesotans that built their lives and supported their families here on the Range have been abandoned by radical Democrats. We didn’t choose to leave the Democratic Party, the party left us," the letter, signed by Virginia Mayor Larry Cuffe, Chisholm Mayor John Champa, Ely Mayor Chuck Novak, Two Harbors Mayor Chris Swanson, Eveleth Mayor Robert Vlaisavljevich and Babbitt Mayor Andrea Zupancich, states.

"Yet, four years ago, something wonderful happened. Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States, and he stood up to China, implemented tax cuts, and fought for the working class. Now, four years later, the Iron Range is roaring back to life and for the first time in a very long time, locals are hopeful because of this President's policies and willingness to fight for us," the mayors continue. "Lifelong politicians like Joe Biden are out of touch with the working class, out of touch with what the country needs, and out of touch with those of us here on the Iron Range and in small towns like ours across our nation."

[Rams]

You are obviously unable to carry on any type of an honest conversation.

Willow and I don't agree on a few topics (as can be seen in the COVID 19 V Sturgis Thread) but, you apparently don't know Carl.   At some opportunity, you should sit down and talk to him.   Your view is very tainted.
At one point, Willow officially anointed me with an official Pain In The Ass crown/title.   I wear it with pride.  

Rams

[Patrick]

One will never convince a never-Trumper. I'd mention why that is, but, heck, we already know why.

[Willow]

You are obviously unable to carry on any type of an honest conversation.

Willow and I don't agree on a few topics (as can be seen in the COVID 19 V Sturgis Thread) but, you apparently don't know Carl.   At some opportunity, you should sit down and talk to him.   Your view is very tainted.
At one point, Willow officially anointed me with an official Pain In The Ass crown/title.   I wear it with pride.  

Rams

Ron, this post may seem out of place as I removed Markymark's post.  It contained personal attack which is not allowed.

I have no interest in sitting down and talking with some people and that's a shame because it appears people are sometimes different folks in person than one would expect from reading their keyboard output.

[98valk]

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

[f6john]

You are obviously unable to carry on any type of an honest conversation.

Willow and I don't agree on a few topics (as can be seen in the COVID 19 V Sturgis Thread) but, you apparently don't know Carl.   At some opportunity, you should sit down and talk to him.   Your view is very tainted.
At one point, Willow officially anointed me with an official Pain In The Ass crown/title.   I wear it with pride. 

Rams

Ron, this post may seem out of place as I removed Markymark's post.  It contained personal attack which is not allowed.

I have no interest in sitting down and talking with some people and that's a shame because it appears people are sometimes different folks in person than one would expect from reading their keyboard output.

My thoughts are that the people who post on this board are exactly who they present themselves to be. If they seem different in person they are just putting on an act.  As a group or as individuals, (you) may not care for me much, but I can assure you, I am exactly the same in person. (You) is not directed to any individual just to anymore who might read this post.

[markymark640]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

[98valk]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

here educate yourself if dare to know the truth

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

[Rams]

It all comes down to perspective and attitudes.

This I know, my "spousal unit" has certain opinions and beliefs, nothing I do or say is gonna change her mind. 
Many folks are just like her.   Regardless of the evidence I may present,  she/they only hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see and have no concept of what an open mind to the facts are.

I have been guilty of such things in the past according to my "spousal unit".  Shrug

Rams

[markymark640]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

here educate yourself if dare to know the truth

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like willow and 98valk, the material you provided is one persons opinion, which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases.

There were also quotes from responsible sources, as well as trump himself, admitting, on the record,  that the reported racists statements he had previously made were "probably true".

And while I agree that there may be some arguments about the facts in one case or two, when you take the record of trumps actions and statements in their entirety, which apparently didn't change until he decide to run for office, it would certainly appear that there may be some underlying racists issues there.  Where there's smoke, there is  fire.
 

[markymark640]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

here educate yourself if dare to know the truth

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like willow and 98valk, the material you provided is one persons opinion, which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases.

There were also quotes from responsible sources, as well as trump himself, admitting, on the record,  that the reported racists statements he had previously made were "probably true".

And while I agree that there may be some arguments about the facts in one case or two, when you take the record of trumps actions and statements in their entirety, which apparently didn't change until he decide to run for office, it would certainly appear that there may be some underlying racists issues there.  Where there's smoke, there is  fire.
 

[Willow]

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Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.
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Actually I referenced nothing that you listed above.  I didn't bother to read that deeply.  I very specifically quoted what I referred to as crap.

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And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.
...

The last three sentences were very much a personal attack.  Just so you know what I consider a personal attack I view something that starts out with "you are" followed by a derogatory description as a personal attack.  That is certainly not limited to myself but applies to other posts I remove for that reason.  As you don't consider that personal attack I can perhaps make exceptions when those are pointed to you.

Now since you bothered to lie on multiple points regarding my posts it opens a questionable area.  If I were to say, "You are a liar," interpretation could view that as a personal attack or simply a statement of fact.

It's a complex world in which we live.  The accusation you made of me in the post I removed could very easily be applied to yourself.  

[DirtyDan]

Ahh willow

I remember what i told you when we first meet in spearfish back in 2015

 

Dan

[markymark640]

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Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.
...

Actually I referenced nothing that you listed above.  I didn't bother to read that deeply.  I very specifically quoted what I referred to as crap.

...
And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.
...

The last three sentences were very much a personal attack.  Just so you know what I consider a personal attack I view something that starts out with "you are" followed by a derogatory description as a personal attack.  That is certainly not limited to myself but applies to other posts I remove for that reason.  As you don't consider that personal attack I can perhaps make exceptions when those are pointed to you.

Now since you bothered to lie on multiple points regarding my posts it opens a questionable area.  If I were to say, "You are a liar," interpretation could view that as a personal attack or simply a statement of fact.

It's a complex world in which we live.  The accusation you made of me in the post I removed could very easily be applied to yourself.  

You say I lied.  Look at the record on this thread.

Your statement : "Actually I referenced nothing that you listed above."

I posted a link to an article about trump and racism.  Your response "This is the crap you come up with?"

If you ask me, that's referencing what I said above !

I believe you are the one lying and trying to make it out to be me.

I don't believe I lied at all about your posts.  I stated fact and opinion.

And that whole line about " I view something that starts out with "you are" followed by a derogatory description as a personal attack", is remarkable, because if one was to search thru posts on this site you will find a number of posts that include such language.  Why weren't they removed ?
 
And I don't know how others feel, but responding as you did, to my post which was a link with a response of "This is the crap you come up with?"  seems like a personal attack.  But since you don't, I'm sure you won't mind if I were to use it as a response for your posts.

[98valk]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

here educate yourself if dare to know the truth

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like willow and 98valk, the material you provided is one persons opinion, which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases.

There were also quotes from responsible sources, as well as trump himself, admitting, on the record,  that the reported racists statements he had previously made were "probably true".

And while I agree that there may be some arguments about the facts in one case or two, when you take the record of trumps actions and statements in their entirety, which apparently didn't change until he decide to run for office, it would certainly appear that there may be some underlying racists issues there.  Where there's smoke, there is  fire.
 

"which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases."

post the court documents, etc., since what I posted was based off of them.  maybe u have a cnn revised edition/s

[The emperor has no clothes]

 
And I don't know how others feel, but responding as you did, to my post which was a link with a response of "This is the crap you come up with?"  seems like a personal attack.  But since you don't, I'm sure you won't mind if I were to use it as a response for your posts.

I think to cut down on typing I will just post this.

[Rams]

I think to cut down on typing I will just post this.


[/quote]

Very applicable in so many ways.   

Rams

[markymark640]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Willow has called these items an others listed in the article I referenced as crap. The court cases mentioned here happened. It isn't crap.  I think we all know what and where the crap comes from.

And then he deletes my response, which he says is a personal attack. It was hardly that. More like several statements of fact.  

I guess some people who are administrators here can get away with saying anything they want and then delete the posts of the person(s) who will stand up for the truth.

Crap ? - Read the court cases. Read the interviews. The truth is the truth and will not be silenced.

here educate yourself if dare to know the truth

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like  markymark, and meathead here are the facts on Fred Trump and Donald Trump about the rental issue.
basically a liberal journalist made a case by leaving much important information out to make his case against the Trumps.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

Fred Trump created a rental company, ran it for decades, and by 1973 it managed 14,382 apartments. By then, 17 African Americans had filed 15 complaints of discrimination in the application process. Also, four “testers” were sent to five Trump properties. They found that four rental employees discriminated. So in 1973, the Department of Justice filed a complaint against Fred Trump, Trump Management, and its new president, young Donald. At properties operated by them, almost 4.5% of tenants were black. One building had 40% black tenants. But five buildings had none. By 1974, the DOJ had collected accusations (formal, informal, and hearsay) by 43 accusers (named and unnamed) against 38 employees (out of hundreds) of Trump Management in 20 properties (out of 39), during 14 years. Three of them blamed Fred Trump. None of the 43 accusers blamed Donald Trump; there’s no evidence that he created or carried out discriminatory policies. In 1975, the Trumps began policies of affirmative action renting, to reach 10% black occupancy. By 1977, they exceeded this requirement. Finally, the DOJ closed the case for “lack of evidence” or new complaints.

many facts and info, proving they rented to blacks and even

Also, by January 1973, Fred Trump owned 20% of Starrett City, a new housing development in Brooklyn, consisting of 5,868 units, designed to have a racially integrated population: including 30% blacks and Hispanics. In 1974, the New York Times noted: “There has been some fear that Starrett City will house more black and Hispanic families than the mostly white Canarsie area would like.” Trump Management owned a fifth of this immense housing development. When the complex opened in 1974, nearly no white people applied. (p.66 here)

if anybody wants to know the truth and facts here it is.
http://www.newstandardpress.com/did-trump-not-rent-to-black-people/

for the ones who only see and read to protect their preconceived thoughts in their minds, like willow and 98valk, the material you provided is one persons opinion, which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases.

There were also quotes from responsible sources, as well as trump himself, admitting, on the record,  that the reported racists statements he had previously made were "probably true".

And while I agree that there may be some arguments about the facts in one case or two, when you take the record of trumps actions and statements in their entirety, which apparently didn't change until he decide to run for office, it would certainly appear that there may be some underlying racists issues there.  Where there's smoke, there is  fire.
 

"which by the was not supported by the courts or the opinion(s), upon proper reflection, of the judge(s) that heard the cases against him.

And besides this court case, which he lost and was forced to settle, there were other court cases."

post the court documents, etc., since what I posted was based off of them.  maybe u have a cnn revised edition/s

Apparently your Mother Goose version, contradicts what the court record shows.

And besides, there is alot more than one case, which by the way trump was forced to settle. If he was innocent why did he settle ? 

It amazes me that folks that may be suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome seem to blast anyone who posts a reference to an article that speaks to something trump may have done wrong in totally negative and extremely rude way.  But.... they can be quick to try and use other articles to support their position which come from tainted sources and are often inaccurate.

In this case, the record shows:

When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a ­government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

In the July 1972 test at Shorehaven Apartments in Brooklyn, the same superintendent who had rejected the black woman told the white woman who came later that she could “immediately rent either one of two available apartments,” according to testimony.

The tests played out across Queens and Brooklyn and revealed a pattern, the housing activists said in court filings. White testers were encouraged to rent at certain Trump buildings, while the black testers were discouraged, denied or steered to apartment complexes that had more racial minorities, according to the testimony.

Phyllis Spiro, a white woman who went undercover in 1973 at a Trump property, told investigators how a building superintendent acknowledged to her “that he followed a racially discriminatory rental policy at the direction of his superiors, and that there were only very few ‘colored’ tenants” at the complex, according to court records.

There's no sense continuing on with you on this. The result of this court cases against trump is a fact, and nothing you can say or do will change that.

I suggest some big boy pants and the reading of  the actual court record, which are facts that can not be changed no matter what you say. United States of America v. Fred C. Trump, Donald Trump and Trump Management, Inc.

And oh yes, remember trump even admitted that the racists comments he made on the record were "probably true"

[Rams]

As your post says, "Trump Employees" did certain things,  The Trumps (as owners) are and were responsible for the actions, activities and decisions that those managers handled.   So, they settled and corrected the problem.   

No surprises there.   As for DJT admitting that something was probably true, I consider that very similar to what I learned in Sunday school as in those without sin, can throw the first stone.   

I've made at least two mistakes in my life, one was thinking I made a mistake, the other is still under investigation. 

Rams

[markymark640]

Rams,

Check the record. Trump fought it for something like two years. Filed motion after motion as well as trying to file a counterclaim.

It just simply isn't as you stated. He didn't recognize the problem and just settle. He fought it, using his usual way of paying lots of lawyers who try every trick in the book, and some they make up, to try overpower and over spend the other party.  In this case it was the US Government and he couldn't get away with it.

Trump never settles unless he knows the verdict is going to go against. Look at his record in the dozens of court cases against him. His own words "Never settle - it makes you look weak"

He settled only after a long fight when he knew  he was going to have his name tainted, and only then.

[3W-lonerider]

markymark. i have but one question for you. don't know how old you are but are you the same person now as you were 50 years ago. if no then you have changed, if yes then i don't know what to say. i done things back 50 years ago that i'm not proud of today, but to hold that against me shouldn't be the proper thing to do. i don't hold people in political office responsible for things they done long ago. unless i see they haven't changed. like was said he with no sin cast the first stone. would you be happy if you went for a job interview and they looked at your teenage years and turned you down because of something you did way back then. i think you would fight them about it stating you arn't that person anymore.

[markymark640]

markymark. i have but one question for you. don't know how old you are but are you the same person now as you were 50 years ago. if no then you have changed, if yes then i don't know what to say. i done things back 50 years ago that i'm not proud of today, but to hold that against me shouldn't be the proper thing to do. i don't hold people in political office responsible for things they done long ago. unless i see they haven't changed. like was said he with no sin cast the first stone. would you be happy if you went for a job interview and they looked at your teenage years and turned you down because of something you did way back then. i think you would fight them about it stating you arn't that person anymore.

I totally understand your point.  Well taken. However, it really doesn't seem to fit this situation.

First off, we are not talking about trump's teenage years. He's 74 I believe, and this happened in 1973. Trump was a grown man and I believe that would make him about 27 at the time.

Second, his record doesn't stop back in 1973 when this one thing started. His record of racist statements and actions continues through the years and are current.

It's not about way back then.  Google Trump and racism and you will find many many examples from the 70's to today.

We really don't need a way back machine because the public record of his racists statements is current.  Racism isn't as simple as actions or statements against a specific race. It is commonly understood today in the US that racism is also concerned with the treatment of groups of people. Trumps has recently made statements that to many include a bias as well as outright contempt for some groups of people ( Blacks, Muslims, people from coutries in the Southern hemisphere, Puerto Ricans and others.

Trumps constant animadversions against certain groups of people through the years, and currently, seem to suggest to many ( based on polling ) that trump is racist.

Many Americans are familiar with racism as a matter of bias as well as outright contempt, which trump has vocalized many times. And no arguments about it, it's all been on the record, taped and live video. AS president, he's spoken negatively about blacks, Muslims, Puerto Ricans, and others on several occasions.

So again, I understand your point, but I originally provided a long list. Some right leaning members decided to make this about this one case, and keep pounding on it ( a losing battle if you ask me) and totally ignored all the rest, which include his current actions and words.