CDC says only 6% of deaths solely from C-19

[Jersey mike]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/covid-deaths-percent-coronavirus-cdc

“ Based on the CDC's data, 94% of people have died with coronavirus, along with one or more other underlying health issues. The CDC's Aug. 28 update stated that there were 167,558 COVID-19 total deaths, which means 10,053 died solely of coronavirus alone with no other health conditions.”

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

“ Comorbidities“

“Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.”

[Alien]

These are the other underlying comorbidities listed in the article.  I have highlighted the ones that CAN be caused by COVID-19.

The CDC listed the following as the top underlying medical conditions linked to coronavirus deaths:

Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions

[Bret SD]

These are the other underlying comorbidities listed in the article.  I have highlighted the ones that CAN be caused by COVID-19.

The CDC listed the following as the top underlying medical conditions linked to coronavirus deaths:

Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions

I believe renal failure is also part of a cascade of problems due to a cytokene storm..
*I'm not a medical practitioner

[Alien]

These are the other underlying comorbidities listed in the article.  I have highlighted the ones that CAN be caused by COVID-19.

The CDC listed the following as the top underlying medical conditions linked to coronavirus deaths:

Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions

I believe renal failure is also part of a cascade of problems due to a cytokene storm..
*I'm not a medical practitioner

Right you are.  I fixed it.

[Valkorado]

 This is typical and also applies to influenza.  People don't normally die "from" virii, but from complications caused by immune system reaction, organ and system failures.  C-19 is a respiratory virus.  Pneumonia is a big killer of those who acquire it.

[Rams]

Bump, I'm thinking this is kind of important information for folks with weakened immune systems.

Rams

[Alien]

The 6% number does NOT represent people who died from COVID-19 only, nor does it mean that the other 94% had other preexisting conditions that led to COVID-19 being more deadly.
On a death certificate, they note -all- of the conditions that led to the person’s death (see the example I made here). That 6% number represents the number of people who’s death certificate ONLY listed COVID-19, because they determined that simply the presence of the virus in the body is what killed them.

As for the other 94% who’s deaths are attributed to COVID-19:
➡️ If you look at the CDC comorbidities table cited, the comorbidities listed do not mean those people all had those conditions prior to getting COVID-19. Many of those comorbidities (especially the respiratory and cardiac numbers) are direct results of *getting* the virus.
This data means that most people who die “from covid” don’t die just because they have the virus in their system—-they die because of what the virus DOES to their body while it’s in their system. Most commonly, it leads to respiratory and cardiac issues —- which is consistent in the majority of all COVID-19 patients (who recover after contracting the virus). That is why there are so often multiple things listed on the death certificate.

⏩ A little illustrative example...if somebody whacks a dude named Mitch on the head and Mitch survives for 3 days but later dies — the primary cause of death is probably listed as something like “brain hemorrhage.” But the brain hemmhorage wouldnt have happened without the blunt force trauma.

So in the same way, if someone dies of respiratory arrest after developing pneumonia after contracting COVID-19 —- the virus is the original start of the problem, and we can say they died from COVID-19, just like we’d say Mitch died because somebody whacked him on the head.
The death certificate may say brain hemorrhage killed Mitch, but that’s just a long fancy medical way to say that the whack killed the guy. “Respiratory arrest” on the death certificate next to pneumonia and COVID-19 in all likelihood means that COVID killed the person.
(And yes, being very old or having diabetes or COPD or some other condition prior to getting the virus definitely doesn’t help a COVID-19 patient’s prognosis, but that’s never really been disputed)

[Alien]

Also, for anyone interested, this is how a death certificate works in most states.

dc by Scott Sapers, on Flickr

[Willow]

This is typical and also applies to influenza.  People don't normally die "from" virii, but from complications caused by immune system reaction, organ and system failures.  C-19 is a respiratory virus.  Pneumonia is a big killer of those who acquire it.

That is correct.  Influenza doesn't really kill people but it brings on death from pneumonia or some other cause as the victim is weakened by the flu.

The report probably should have said 100% or qualified the reference to underlying health issues with "known".

[Rams]

Also, for anyone interested, this is how a death certificate works in most states.

dc by Scott Sapers, on Flickr

Assuming this is all correct (not challenging you, I simply don't know), this kind of explains a situation my son described to me.   He's a paramedic.

He was telling me about a pickup/transport his unit had where they were called to the scene of a gang related shooting.   The patient was stabilized and transported to a local emergency room/hospital.   The patient arrived alive in spite of having 22 gunshot wounds.   I'm not sure if those were all entry wounds or not but regardless, the dude was pretty well shot up.

The patient later died but, was tested for COVID 19.   My son said that COVID 19 was listed as one of the causes or symptoms that he died of.   I now have a better understanding of what he was telling me.

Interesting info you provided.   

[Valkorado]

Also, for anyone interested, this is how a death certificate works in most states.

dc by Scott Sapers, on Flickr

Assuming this is all correct (not challenging you, I simply don't know), this kind of explains a situation my son described to me.   He's a paramedic.

He was telling me about a pickup/transport his unit had where they were called to the scene of a gang related shooting.   The patient was stabilized and transported to a local emergency room/hospital.   The patient arrived alive in spite of having 22 gunshot wounds.   I'm not sure if those were all entry wounds or not but regardless, the dude was pretty well shot up.

The patient later died but, was tested for COVID 19.   My son said that COVID 19 was listed as one of the causes or symptoms that he died of.   I now have a better understanding of what he was telling me.

Interesting info you provided.  

I do not question that this scenario has happened.  My guess would be that it happens a heckuva lot more rarely than ones similar to that shown in the posted sample death certificate.  

In other words, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of C-19 victims were free of recently inflicted bullet wounds.

[Rams]

In other words, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of C-19 victims were free of recently inflicted bullet wounds.

I sincerely hope that's the situation. 

Rams

[Jersey mike]

The 6% number does NOT represent people who died from COVID-19 only, nor does it mean that the other 94% had other preexisting conditions that led to COVID-19 being more deadly.
On a death certificate, they note -all- of the conditions that led to the person’s death (see the example I made here). That 6% number represents the number of people who’s death certificate ONLY listed COVID-19, because they determined that simply the presence of the virus in the body is what killed them.

As for the other 94% who’s deaths are attributed to COVID-19:
➡️ If you look at the CDC comorbidities table cited, the comorbidities listed do not mean those people all had those conditions prior to getting COVID-19. Many of those comorbidities (especially the respiratory and cardiac numbers) are direct results of *getting* the virus.
This data means that most people who die “from covid” don’t die just because they have the virus in their system—-they die because of what the virus DOES to their body while it’s in their system. Most commonly, it leads to respiratory and cardiac issues —- which is consistent in the majority of all COVID-19 patients (who recover after contracting the virus). That is why there are so often multiple things listed on the death certificate.

⏩ A little illustrative example...if somebody whacks a dude named Mitch on the head and Mitch survives for 3 days but later dies — the primary cause of death is probably listed as something like “brain hemorrhage.” But the brain hemmhorage wouldnt have happened without the blunt force trauma.

So in the same way, if someone dies of respiratory arrest after developing pneumonia after contracting COVID-19 —- the virus is the original start of the problem, and we can say they died from COVID-19, just like we’d say Mitch died because somebody whacked him on the head.
The death certificate may say brain hemorrhage killed Mitch, but that’s just a long fancy medical way to say that the whack killed the guy. “Respiratory arrest” on the death certificate next to pneumonia and COVID-19 in all likelihood means that COVID killed the person.
(And yes, being very old or having diabetes or COPD or some other condition prior to getting the virus definitely doesn’t help a COVID-19 patient’s prognosis, but that’s never really been disputed)

I’m going to disagree with much of what you stated here. If you look at the numbers on the chart the age groups with the most deaths are that of the older generations.

85+ years = 51,710

75-84 = 43,392

65-74 = 34,990

55-64 = 20,655

45-54 = 8,648
______________
155,395

The elderly live life with daily health issues which which cause daily issues with their overall conditions.

To say that it was C-19 that caused the death of these people is reaching. How many people in the older demographic were already suffering from life threatening conditions and didn’t have the strength in their body to fight the C-19.

It has been stated since the beginning that the elderly AND those with underlying conditions were the most susceptible.

Elderly have multiple health issues on a daily basis. Heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease and so on. Elderly can get pneumonia at the drop of a hat caused by a common cold or the flu.

Also, I know there are people out there with diabetes, respiratory issues and kidney issues that just don’t do what is necessary to help keep their illnesses from progressing.

I’ve know people with diabetes who ignore their diets, drink alcohol and fail,to,use their insulin as needed or recommend.

So let’s not kid ourselves that the highest demographic groups were in perfect health before the C-19 issue as well as the groups in the descending age groups.

[Valkorado]

https://www.startribune.com/cdc-has-not-reduced-the-death-count-related-to-covid-19/572278262/

From article:

Experts say it's not surprising that so few people who died from COVID-19 had no underlying conditions listed on their death certificates. It is rare for people not to have multiple medical issues at death.

"The underlying cause of death is the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person's death," Dr. Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC's death statistics work, said in a statement. "In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause of death."

More important, the CDC figures show what medical professionals have been saying since the outset of the pandemic — that the virus tends to have a more severe impact on people with underlying conditions.

For example, people died with diabetes not because of it, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious-diseases expert at Vanderbilt University.

"If it hadn't been for the COVID virus infection, these people would be living today," he said. "So yes, although they have contributing underlying chronic health factors, it's still the COVID virus that killed them."

[Bighead]

I now know 9 people personally who has had C-19. All survived 2 cases were pretty bad the other 7  ery mild symptoms. I have been in surgery over the last 2 weeks with 3 patients that were + for C-19. Although our hospital #’s are down to about 1/2 of what they were a month ago. Didn’t operate on a single pt that tested + until last week. Is testing getting better or what?

[Robert]

I now know 9 people personally who has had C-19. All survived 2 cases were pretty bad the other 7  ery mild symptoms. I have been in surgery over the last 2 weeks with 3 patients that were + for C-19. Although our hospital #’s are down to about 1/2 of what they were a month ago. Didn’t operate on a single pt that tested + until last week. Is testing getting better or what?

From what I know, NO. I know 8 people who have had it or pneumonia and the positive test rate for covid varied. I know a few that tested negative then positive then negative on one person tested 3 times had 2 negative one positive result. The tests tell you that if you feel bad and have the symptoms then even if the test is negative you have covid. So a negative test and you feel bad you have covid. Still no treatment really and you treat the thing by trying to keep it out of the lungs and other organs.  


A couple I know both admitted to the hospital she with dialysis she tests negative for covid he tests positive and has pneumonia and is in the hospital. Some I know have the flu symptoms and gone in one day to one week. They are married and are together all the time he has to drive her but he tests positive and she tests negative and she has failed kidneys.

Early treatment with antibiotics so as to stop it from going to the lungs seems to keep people with mild symptoms although many complain of being very tired and some I know sleep 18 hrs a day with it for one to two weeks. The usual, no taste and no smell with some viruses, and most that I know have no real temp although go from hot to cold along with chills and a below normal temp, virus stuff. My Dr said he has seen a lot of pneumonia.

They try not to put anyone on ventilators if possible.

Definitely not the killer it was made out to be and if the antibiotics was started early then most pull through ok although some do battle with it. This is a good example of the dr's not knowing what they are dealing with and many would not prescribe antibiotics since protocol says not to for flu and where you dont know what is wrong.

[Jersey mike]

If the rebuttal of this is underlying conditions are a minor symptom or played a minor role in an individuals fight against C-19 that a misrepresentation of the facts.

To believe people in the age demographic above 55 that present with diabetes, heart disease, upper respiratory issues or kidney disease are the epitome of good health are sorely mistaken. Who’s to say what their life expectancies really were. Did C-19 push them over the edge, probably.

Without finding specific statistics, there are thousands of people with obesity, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease and upper respiratory issues who fail to maintain or adhere to a healthy lifestyle by adjusting their health habits which include proper meals, limited use of alcohol, exercise or other doctor recommended steps.

To say that a person with (on average)  2.6 underlying conditions is the epitome of good health is a fallacy. An AVERAGE OF 2.6 underlying conditions is not a healthy person nor does it pain a good image of how so unhealthy people are...whether at their own fault or just what cards nature dealt them.

Many seniors ( who make up the largest demographic stages of death regularly and with C-19) struggle on a daily basis just to maintain an immune system to prevent the common cold, let alone the flu or pneumonia. Not to mention high blood pressure, heart disease, respiratory issues and proper kidney functions.

I’ll take these odds every day of 6% dying just from C-19. It shows that 94% of the people with average to excellent immune systems and have less than 2.6 (on average) underlying conditions are not going to die. But that also depends on how you as an individual approach your own personal underlying conditions.

A person who is diligent with their diabetes or heart condition(s) May fare better than those who have a lazy/indifferent approach.


Maybe this virus will finally open the eyes of people to take more interest in their own lifestyle, to,keep,themselves in better health, to make better decisions regarding food, alcohol abuse, exercise and whatever else can lead to all these “underlying” conditions.

For instance, I’m not saying fast food is bad once in a while but I see so many commercials with people who are obviously obese. I’ve been in fast food chains where people with obvious big weight issues (and probably other conditions) will order their 2 Big Burgers, large fries and desert with a diet soda...really a diet soda, that’s gonna help.

I know people with diabetes who use insulin or one of those pumps to eat whatever they want, whenever they want, drink alcohol at will and smoke, all things which go, against how to properly deal with their situation.

6% dying specifically from C-19 means 94% don’t. 94% with 2.6 underlying conditions dying is what has been the crux of the matter from the very beginning and was discussed over and over again on a daily basis. The elderly with weak immune systems, the elderly with weak immune systems AND underlying conditions, all people with underlying conditions which had been outlined time and time again.

People with average to excellent health are the least susceptible and continue to be the least susceptible.

I like my odds...do you?

[Rams]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds. 

Rams

[scooperhsd]

If the rebuttal of this is underlying conditions are a minor symptom or played a minor role in an individuals fight against C-19 that a misrepresentation of the facts.

To believe people in the age demographic above 55 that present with diabetes, heart disease, upper respiratory issues or kidney disease are the epitome of good health are sorely mistaken. Who’s to say what their life expectancies really were. Did C-19 push them over the edge, probably.

Without finding specific statistics, there are thousands of people with obesity, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease and upper respiratory issues who fail to maintain or adhere to a healthy lifestyle by adjusting their health habits which include proper meals, limited use of alcohol, exercise or other doctor recommended steps.

To say that a person with (on average)  2.6 underlying conditions is the epitome of good health is a fallacy. An AVERAGE OF 2.6 underlying conditions is not a healthy person nor does it pain a good image of how so unhealthy people are...whether at their own fault or just what cards nature dealt them.

Many seniors ( who make up the largest demographic stages of death regularly and with C-19) struggle on a daily basis just to maintain an immune system to prevent the common cold, let alone the flu or pneumonia. Not to mention high blood pressure, heart disease, respiratory issues and proper kidney functions.

I’ll take these odds every day of 6% dying just from C-19. It shows that 94% of the people with average to excellent immune systems and have less than 2.6 (on average) underlying conditions are not going to die. But that also depends on how you as an individual approach your own personal underlying conditions.

A person who is diligent with their diabetes or heart condition(s) May fare better than those who have a lazy/indifferent approach.


Maybe this virus will finally open the eyes of people to take more interest in their own lifestyle, to,keep,themselves in better health, to make better decisions regarding food, alcohol abuse, exercise and whatever else can lead to all these “underlying” conditions.

For instance, I’m not saying fast food is bad once in a while but I see so many commercials with people who are obviously obese. I’ve been in fast food chains where people with obvious big weight issues (and probably other conditions) will order their 2 Big Burgers, large fries and desert with a diet soda...really a diet soda, that’s gonna help.

I know people with diabetes who use insulin or one of those pumps to eat whatever they want, whenever they want, drink alcohol at will and smoke, all things which go, against how to properly deal with their situation.

6% dying specifically from C-19 means 94% don’t. 94% with 2.6 underlying conditions dying is what has been the crux of the matter from the very beginning and was discussed over and over again on a daily basis. The elderly with weak immune systems, the elderly with weak immune systems AND underlying conditions, all people with underlying conditions which had been outlined time and time again.

People with average to excellent health are the least susceptible and continue to be the least susceptible.

I like my odds...do you?

Yes I do - I may be a bit obese (but slowly ( very slowly) working that down), with Type 2 Diabetes (I take very good care of myself on that - last 3 A1C's are 6.0 - 6.1) . I have a very strong immune system. I think I could (not that I want to) walk through an Ebola ward and not bleed if I managed to catch it. My cardio vascular  / respitory system is top notch - if I would get back to serious walking again, I could get down to 120/70 for BP with a resting pulse of 55-60 (maybe lower) - I have NEVER smoked any tobacco, nor chewed. I'm not quite a teetotaler, but I don't drink enough to get drunk anymore either. The only REAL problem I'm concerned about is that when I wake up in the middle of the night (like to go pee) - I can easily spend 2-4 hours TRYING to get back to sleep - sometimes I don't (makes for one long day the next day). And don't say a CPAP will help - believe me, I've tried it (my not going back to sleep was worse than my sleep apnea).

[Valkorado]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds. 

Rams

As I'm also not the epitome of good health, I also mask up in public.  It's required in businesses here for the time being, anyway. 

I wear a n95 to improve my odds.  Call me selfish, but I don't care about your odds.   

[Jersey mike]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds. 

Rams

As I'm also not the epitome of good health, I also mask up in public.  It's required in businesses here for the time being, anyway. 

I wear a n95 to improve my odds.  Call me selfish, but I don't care about your odds.   

So there is not way around the spread of the virus. Particles escape on exhale no matter what mask is being worn. Filtering may be good for the individual but still does not prevent the spread of airborne particles on exhale. N-95 masks still allow 5% of infected air to penetrate. That’s only 1% less than the 6% death rate of patients who died solely from C-19.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449


“N95 masks“

“Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.”

“Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.”

“Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.“

[Rams]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds.  

Rams

As I'm also not the epitome of good health, I also mask up in public.  It's required in businesses here for the time being, anyway.  

I wear a n95 to improve my odds.  Call me selfish, but I don't care about your odds.  

So there is not way around the spread of the virus. Particles escape on exhale no matter what mask is being worn. Filtering may be good for the individual but still does not prevent the spread of airborne particles on exhale. N-95 masks still allow 5% of infected air to penetrate. That’s only 1% less than the 6% death rate of patients who died solely from C-19.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449


“N95 masks“

“Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.”

“Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.”

“Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.“

I really don't expect anyone to change their minds on the CDC guidelines, people rarely change their thinking based on what they see on the internet or are told unless they are actually affected or infected in this case by the COVID-19 virus.   So, if one doesn't get exposed and infected, then obviously, those who didn't or don't follow those guidelines were correct...……   Right????

Just about all schools are back in session, the COVID-19 is active on every campus I've heard of.   Some schools are quarantining their students in dorms, some are sending students back home.
If, an exposed student is sent home, they may be carrying that virus with them.   End result is possible exposure to the rest of their family, friends and anyone else they associate with.  

Makes sense to me that following CDC guidelines is the smart thing to do.   According to what I've read, exposure and transmission is possible at the earliest stages of COVID-19.   So, those students (who are feeling just fine) could be spreading what they don't even know they have.  
But, this is America and everyone is able to make their own decision.  

I am not in favor of mandatory masking but, I do think it's pretty silly to not take this seriously.   As has already occurred, some people don't follow the guidelines because it's not what they want to do and then bring it home to family and friends.    Is it really that big of a deal?

Rams

[Valkorado]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds.  

Rams

As I'm also not the epitome of good health, I also mask up in public.  It's required in businesses here for the time being, anyway.  

I wear a n95 to improve my odds.  Call me selfish, but I don't care about your odds.  

So there is not way around the spread of the virus. Particles escape on exhale no matter what mask is being worn. Filtering may be good for the individual but still does not prevent the spread of airborne particles on exhale. N-95 masks still allow 5% of infected air to penetrate. That’s only 1% less than the 6% death rate of patients who died solely from C-19.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449


“N95 masks“

“Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.”

“Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.”

“Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.“

I really don't expect anyone to change their minds on the CDC guidelines, people rarely change their thinking based on what they see on the internet or are told unless they are actually affected or infected in this case by the COVID-19 virus.   So, if one doesn't get exposed and infected, then obviously, those who didn't or don't follow those guidelines were correct...……   Right????

Just about all schools are back in session, the COVID-19 is active on every campus I've heard of.   Some schools are quarantining their students in dorms, some are sending students back home.
If, an exposed student is sent home, they may be carrying that virus with them.   End result is possible exposure to the rest of their family, friends and anyone else they associate with.  

Makes sense to me that following CDC guidelines is the smart thing to do.   According to what I've read, exposure and transmission is possible at the earliest stages of COVID-19.   So, those students (who are feeling just fine) could be spreading what they don't even know they have.  
But, this is America and everyone is able to make their own decision.  

I am not in favor of mandatory masking but, I do think it's pretty silly to not take this seriously.   As has already occurred, some people don't follow the guidelines because it's not what they want to do and then bring it home to family and friends.    Is it really that big of a deal?

Rams

"According to what I've read, exposure and transmission is possible at the earliest stages of COVID-19".

Recent studies are showing that unlike SARS, transmission is most possible at the earliest stages of C-19 infection.

[Jersey mike]

I like my odds...do you?

I'd be a fool to not appreciate your odds.  Unfortunately, I am not in the same category.

I wear a mask when around other folks and social distance when possible.   But, I do like your odds.  

Rams

As I'm also not the epitome of good health, I also mask up in public.  It's required in businesses here for the time being, anyway.  

I wear a n95 to improve my odds.  Call me selfish, but I don't care about your odds.  

So there is not way around the spread of the virus. Particles escape on exhale no matter what mask is being worn. Filtering may be good for the individual but still does not prevent the spread of airborne particles on exhale. N-95 masks still allow 5% of infected air to penetrate. That’s only 1% less than the 6% death rate of patients who died solely from C-19.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449


“N95 masks“

“Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.”

“Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.”

“Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.“

I really don't expect anyone to change their minds on the CDC guidelines, people rarely change their thinking based on what they see on the internet or are told unless they are actually affected or infected in this case by the COVID-19 virus.   So, if one doesn't get exposed and infected, then obviously, those who didn't or don't follow those guidelines were correct...……   Right????

Just about all schools are back in session, the COVID-19 is active on every campus I've heard of.   Some schools are quarantining their students in dorms, some are sending students back home.
If, an exposed student is sent home, they may be carrying that virus with them.   End result is possible exposure to the rest of their family, friends and anyone else they associate with.  

Makes sense to me that following CDC guidelines is the smart thing to do.   According to what I've read, exposure and transmission is possible at the earliest stages of COVID-19.   So, those students (who are feeling just fine) could be spreading what they don't even know they have.  
But, this is America and everyone is able to make their own decision.  

I am not in favor of mandatory masking but, I do think it's pretty silly to not take this seriously.   As has already occurred, some people don't follow the guidelines because it's not what they want to do and then bring it home to family and friends.    Is it really that big of a deal?

Rams

Positive tests are not equivalent to being sick. Here in N.J. they can’t figure out how to get school going, it’s literally all over the place with how unorganized it is. Some do this, some do that and some are still scratching their heads.

My daughter begins her Junior year in college next Tuesday. She will be living off campus with 3 other girls. None of them can come to an agreement on whether or not to allow visitors. Her school is not a state school so their guidelines are different and have some latitude. My daughter will only have 2 classes in person each week. The rest is online. Some of the other girls will have 3 or more in person. Unfortunately we signed the lease back in December before all this crap, we could have saved thousands in rent for only 2 in person classes since the university is only 30 minutes from our home.

[RDAbull]

People with average to excellent health are the least susceptible and continue to be the least susceptible.

I like my odds...do you?



I think the odds that all of us are all going to die are 1.00.

It's time to quit worrying about how we are going to die and worry more about how we are going to live!











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[scooperhsd]

People with average to excellent health are the least susceptible and continue to be the least susceptible.

I like my odds...do you?



I think the odds that all of us are all going to die are 1.00.

It's time to quit worrying about how we are going to die and worry more about how we are going to live!

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Excellent advice !

[Patrick]

80 tests were recently sent out. All were returned without any testing /swabbing as a test. 64 came back with positive results.