I need to clarify my position on Trump

[Alien]

I have been accused repeatedly of thinking or feeling one thing or another about the President.  I'm hoping that this post will clear up what my position actually is.  If you read this, you may actually understand what my point of view is, even if you disagree with it.

I do not hate Trump.  I do think that he is an egomaniac and that almost all of his actions are centered around his ego and image.

I think that many of his tweets are stupid and unprofessional.

I think his remarks are often poorly worded and without regard for the truth or the wellbeing of the people.

I do not think that he is a racist.  Rather, I think that he simply doesn't care about anyone but himself.

I think that Trump is an excellent President where the economy is concerned.

I think that he is a terrible President when it comes to the unity of the people.

I think that Trump has polarized divided everyone and I think that this is the opposite of what a President should do.  Other Presidents have inspired divided opinions but none of them have activly tried to divide people.

I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.  

I support the spirit of the Black Lives Matter movement but I do not support some of the actions.

I do not support ANTIFA at all.

I have no particular fondness for Hillary, Pelosi or Biden.  I wish the Democrats could/would field a decent candidate.

I wish that there was a viable third party candidate but that hasn't happenned since Ross Perot and he was a wacky little guy.

I think that the main divide between our philosophies is money first vs people first.  I'm a people first guy.

Hope this helps.
Ride Safe,

Alien

[f6john]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

[RudyF6]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

^^^This^^^ X 10!!!

[Alien]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

[Wizzard]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

Totally agree

[Wizzard]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

I also agree with this,, he has brought some of this on himself. But lets back up. The Dem's are still butt hurt over the election and attacked him from day one. Far as I am concerned they drew first blood and declared a media war on Trump because they simply do not like him.

[Alien]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

I also agree with this,, he has brought some of this on himself. But lets back up. The Dem's are still butt hurt over the election and attacked him from day one. Far as I am concerned they drew first blood and declared a media war on Trump because they simply do not like him.

True.  It was a stupid move.

[scooperhsd]

Valid points on both sides. I do not Like Trump as a person - he is a despicable excuse for  a human being, with that "it's all about ME" attitude that turns people off. OTOH, he has done some good things and some not so good things (some pardons were for not very good reasons IMO). The Dems and Mass Media started this war, and it may come back to haunt them this election.

[Robert]

I wonder what type of man do you think we need that can stop the UN and stop Davos stop
George Soros and denounce these organizations and their ideals at their meeting and work to stop the world order from taking over.

One that will take the US and the founding fathers principles and ideals and make them the rule of the country today. Who is not in cahoots with these people and not going to sell out. 

I cringe at somethings he says and does but with the heart of the man for the country and with the knowledge of all the things he has to deal with I wonder what we would do?

If I have the choice between a politically correct Obama, (only an example) and a US correct Trump I will take all of Trumps talk and thank him when he gets in front of the UN and says The US COMES FIRST.

I am amazed that many think he has divided the US with BLM riots going on all over dem cities and Trump trying to but stopped in sending in the national guard.

I would almost bet my bottom dollar that since the people are waking up and realizing that the dems are the ones responsible for this mess and the polls are going down for the dems that most of this garbage will stop being reported and supported by them and will start to fade away.

[vanavyman]

  Alien, I don't disagree with many of your points on Trump.  I'm a life long Conservative and Trump was my 16 choice in the field of 18 Candidates.  I think you are wrong when you say it is all about him.  I believe he has always had a love for this country and the Military.  In the election in 2016, like every Presidential election, it is between 2 people.  I would never have voted for Hillary who I see as the worst Candidate I've ever voted against.  Trump would have lost to several decent moderate Democrats.  I'm glad they did not run.  I've grown to like Trump the more he is in office.  But like every President in my life time there are a lot of things I don't like.  I look only at results.  Hated almost everything Obama did.  Like almost everything Trump has done and will gladly vote for him again against a worn out Biden.
  
  This election is between Biden and Trump only.  A lot of people will vote for Trump that don't like the person but like what he would do for the country better than Biden.

Dan

[G-Man]

"I think that Trump has polarized divided everyone and I think that this is the opposite of what a President should do.  Other Presidents have inspired divided opinions but none of them have activly tried to divide people."

You got your administrations mixed up.  Obama was the most divisive President this country has ever seen.  He reversed decades of progress between the races.  I have personally witnessed this in my own circle of family and friends in the heart of NYC.

If you think ALL of the HATE just popped up when Trump beat Clinton, you're not thinking clearly or being honest.  Remember, nobody hated him until he won.  They beat down his door to be invited to his next big thing.  Oprah fawned over him.  Howard Stern Loooooved him, as did Whoopie and all of the other actors and celbrities of color.   And then he won.  Then they called him a Nazi.

Trump's not the polarizer, his enemies are and they've lead you by the nose.

[Alien]

"I think that Trump has polarized divided everyone and I think that this is the opposite of what a President should do.  Other Presidents have inspired divided opinions but none of them have activly tried to divide people."

You got your administrations mixed up.  Obama was the most divisive President this country has ever seen.  He reversed decades of progress between the races.  I have personally witnessed this in my own circle of family and friends in the heart of NYC.

If you think ALL of the HATE just popped up when Trump beat Clinton, you're not thinking clearly or being honest.  Remember, nobody hated him until he won.  They beat down his door to be invited to his next big thing.  Oprah fawned over him.  Howard Stern Loooooved him, as did Whoopie and all of the other actors and celbrities of color.   And then he won.  Then they called him a Nazi.

Trump's not the polarizer, his enemies are and they've lead you by the nose.

"Nobody hated him until he won."  I couldn't stand him back in the 1980's.  He was an arrogant jerk back then too.  Imagine for a second that he wasn't the President but he was one of us.  You meet him at Inzane while you're out in the parking lot chatting with some folks.  He steps into the conversation to tell you that his Valkyrie is the fastest Valkyrie, that he is the best rider, no other rider rides as well as he does.  He's the best at fixing Valkyries, nobody knows more about fixing Valkyries than he does...  Eventually you'd have to turn to him and say "Dude, SHUT UP."  Then you'd spend the rest of the night talking about that arrogant jerk you ran into in the parking lot.

[f6john]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

A lot of agreement in this thread! Much of what bothers you just doesn’t bother me but thats a different subject. With all his negative personality traits, if you were in a wreck and your vehicle was on fire, and Trump was there offering to pull you out, would you accept the hand, or decline and wait for someone more aligned to your way of thinking? Obama wrecked this country and put it in a ditch that I thought could take decades to reverse. Trump has had to juggle the economy, the Mueller witch-hunt, an impeachment, and a media machine aligned with his adversaries, now the virus. He had done a masterful job thus far and has maintained a positive attitude and has emulated the energizer bunny when it comes to his job. And I don’t begrudge one moment he spends on the golf course if it helps him deal with the pressures he is under. All this from a guy who could just as easily be on a beach somewhere with a cool breeze and not a are in the world.

[f6john]

"I think that Trump has polarized divided everyone and I think that this is the opposite of what a President should do.  Other Presidents have inspired divided opinions but none of them have activly tried to divide people."

You got your administrations mixed up.  Obama was the most divisive President this country has ever seen.  He reversed decades of progress between the races.  I have personally witnessed this in my own circle of family and friends in the heart of NYC.

If you think ALL of the HATE just popped up when Trump beat Clinton, you're not thinking clearly or being honest.  Remember, nobody hated him until he won.  They beat down his door to be invited to his next big thing.  Oprah fawned over him.  Howard Stern Loooooved him, as did Whoopie and all of the other actors and celbrities of color.   And then he won.  Then they called him a Nazi.

Trump's not the polarizer, his enemies are and they've lead you by the nose.

"Nobody hated him until he won."  I couldn't stand him back in the 1980's.  He was an arrogant jerk back then too.  Imagine for a second that he wasn't the President but he was one of us.  You meet him at Inzane while you're out in the parking lot chatting with some folks.  He steps into the conversation to tell you that his Valkyrie is the fastest Valkyrie, that he is the best rider, no other rider rides as well as he does.  He's the best at fixing Valkyries, nobody knows more about fixing Valkyries than he does...  Eventually you'd have to turn to him and say "Dude, SHUT UP."  Then you'd spend the rest of the night talking about that arrogant jerk you ran into in the parking lot.

How old are you now? You didn’t like him in the 80’s? He wasn’t Even a blip on my radar in the eighties. No wonder you are wound up if you have accumulated 20+ years of antagonism!

As to your analogy above, that’s easy. I’d just go get Smoken’ Joe have them saddle up and settle that once and for all. When they got back, I’d have him go to work on my bike which is in pieces and see what he could do. Problem solved.

[shadowsoftime]

     I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

[Alien]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

(God forbid)

[Valkorado]

I don't know why, but I watched parts of the Dem convention.  I patiently waited to hear something of substance.  All I heard was that good ol' Joe is a nice fellow, great guy.  Wouldn't hurt a fly.  Helps kids with their stuttering and stuff.  He'll defeat racism and COVID in one fell swoop.  Oh yeah, and Trump is mean, Nazi, racist, sexist.

Most Americans won't be fooled by these elementary school playground tactics.

We have watched Trump doing much good for America.  I've seen him working hard for us.  Ego or not, and yes he has got one.

The Presidency is not about which candidate gives us a warm fuzzy feeling.  It's not about being nice, or changing face depending on which crowd is being addressed.  

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out if Joe is going to axe fracking or not.  Not sure if he knows.

[f6john]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't know why, but I watched parts of the Dem convention.  I patiently waited to hear something of substance.  All I heard was that good ol' Joe is a nice fellow, great guy.  Wouldn't hurt a fly.  Helps kids with their stuttering and stuff.  He'll defeat racism and COVID in one fell swoop.  Oh yeah, and Trump is mean, Nazi, racist, sexist.

Most Americans won't be fooled by these elementary school playground tactics.

We have watched Trump doing much good for America.  I've seen him working hard for us.  Ego or not, and yes he has got one.

The Presidency is not about which candidate gives us a warm fuzzy feeling.  It's not about being nice, or changing face depending on which crowd is being addressed.  

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out if Joe is going to axe fracking or not.  Not sure if he knows.

Conventions are always about pomp, circumstance, and fluff. Always has been. (At least since I started watching 45 years ago) If you think the Republican convention was any different, you are fooling yourself.

[The emperor has no clothes]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

[baldo]

Valid points on both sides. I do not Like Trump as a person - he is a despicable excuse for  a human being, with that "it's all about ME" attitude that turns people off. OTOH, he has done some good things and some not so good things (some pardons were for not very good reasons IMO). The Dems and Mass Media started this war, and it may come back to haunt them this election.

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

[f6john]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

I said treasonous actions of the left. Obama’s part if any has yet to be laid bare.

[carolinarider09]

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

Agreed!

[f6john]

Valid points on both sides. I do not Like Trump as a person - he is a despicable excuse for  a human being, with that "it's all about ME" attitude that turns people off. OTOH, he has done some good things and some not so good things (some pardons were for not very good reasons IMO). The Dems and Mass Media started this war, and it may come back to haunt them this election.

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

[baldo]

Valid points on both sides. I do not Like Trump as a person - he is a despicable excuse for  a human being, with that "it's all about ME" attitude that turns people off. OTOH, he has done some good things and some not so good things (some pardons were for not very good reasons IMO). The Dems and Mass Media started this war, and it may come back to haunt them this election.

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

FFS, try to stay on topic, please.

[Alien]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

A lot of agreement in this thread! Much of what bothers you just doesn’t bother me but thats a different subject. With all his negative personality traits, if you were in a wreck and your vehicle was on fire, and Trump was there offering to pull you out, would you accept the hand, or decline and wait for someone more aligned to your way of thinking? Obama wrecked this country and put it in a ditch that I thought could take decades to reverse. Trump has had to juggle the economy, the Mueller witch-hunt, an impeachment, and a media machine aligned with his adversaries, now the virus. He had done a masterful job thus far and has maintained a positive attitude and has emulated the energizer bunny when it comes to his job. And I don’t begrudge one moment he spends on the golf course if it helps him deal with the pressures he is under. All this from a guy who could just as easily be on a beach somewhere with a cool breeze and not a are in the world.

Would I accept his help?  Yes.  But I doubt he would offer it.  Theyre's simply nothing in it for him and I don't think he is capable of empathizing with any other human.  Not really.

[The emperor has no clothes]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

I said treasonous actions of the left. Obama’s part if any has yet to be laid bare.

Oh. Well then, would you care to list who and what you believe has been treasonous on the "left" ?

[phideux]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

Giving Iran 150 billion dollars and free reign to enrich weapons grade nuclear material.
Sitting in the war room listening to a 13hr fight that left Americans dead when help was a little over an hour away.
How many more you want??

[Willow]

...
I do not hate Trump.  I do think that he is an egomaniac and that almost all of his actions are centered around his ego and image.
...
I wish that there was a viable third party candidate but that hasn't happenned since Ross Perot and he was a wacky little guy.

I think that the main divide between our philosophies is money first vs people first.  I'm a people first guy.
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I will to clarify my position to you.  I think you have deluded yourself.  You say you don't hate President Trump but your every word and action demonstrate that you do.  You can't even manage to refer to him as President Trump.

You say the President is a divider.  Once more you have chosen to delude yourself.  The division has been going on for many years.  It was there somewhat with the lack of cooperation with President Bush by elected Democrats.  It was intensified by the presidency of Barack Obama who went out of his way to divide not only along political lines but more intensely between races.  President Obama sent a representative to the funeral of a slain criminal but sent no one to the funerals of slain police officers. He commented that a slain assailant could have been his own son.  These actions based solely upon the color of these men's skin, racist behvior.  President Trump has responded to attacks upon his integrity by the Democrats behind the leadership of Pelosi and Schumer.  It was and is the Democrats who are fueling the divide.

I wish he would stay away from Twitter.  I do.  I do wish that some, such as yourself, would not simply ingest all that a hostile media has to say about the duly elected President of the United States.

Donald Trump is about money rather than people?  He's a businessman (and not a career politician).  Business is what he does best.  Not a people person?  His actions have done more for unemployment than his most recent predecessor, maybe a host of predecessors.  Interestingly his actions and policies have raised the employment rate of African Americans.

Money is more important than people?  This presidency is costing Donald Trump.  He's not exponentially raising his financial standing such as was done by the Clintons and President Obama.  My financial status has grown under President Trump.  I suspect yours and many, many others' have as well.  We're people.

Ross Perot was not a viable third party candidate.  The only purpose he served was to take away votes that would have reelected the sitting President.

I get nervous when I see fanatic despite against any sitting president.  It made me nervous with President Obama and it makes me nervous with President Trump.

I think you are fooling yourself about the way things truly are and about and about your own motivations and behavior.

President Trump was not my first choice going into the primaries in '16.  I don't like some of the things that he does; specifically tweeting, name calling, and sometimes self aggrandizement.  I do see that across the treacherous times we have experienced he has been very good, possibly the best man, for America.  I see the projected platform of the Democrat party as disastrous for America.  I think we're in for more years of crisis.  As such I think Donald Trump, even with his traits, may be the best man for America.  Certainly he will be better for the country than the provided alternatives.  

[Moonshot_1]

I liked Trump for President the day he announced his Candidacy. Media at the time, and many pundits, thought it was just a show. I knew he was serious from day one because he had his family behind him at the very beginning of this. One of his "tells". If his family members are involved it is serious and for real.

He is not of the political establishment. This allows him to venture down policy paths that establishment politicians cannot or are unwilling to travel. The political establishment, even those in the GOP, have been pushing back from the start.

Judicial Branch has been served well by his appointments.

His support of the military, law enforcement, fire/rescue is strong and the support is constantly and publicly proudly mentioned.  

Prison reform, economic reforms, trade, enforcing the rule of law, jobs, and diplomacy have had new benchmarks set.

All this and more against an unending tirade of media distortions and outright lies in cahoots with the Democrat party.

To those who dislike Trump, I ask, how do you know him? Through the media. A media that constantly distorts the truth and ignores the good and great things he's done.

Trump isn't perfect. He will tell you he is just to get you riled. Typical New Yorker attitude.

He gets the job done. He is out there everyday. He extols the Greatness of America. The Greatness of her people. Everyday.

I'm voting for him in 2020. I hope we can repeal the 22nd amendment so we can vote for him in 2024 too.

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I liked Trump for President the day he announced his Candidacy. Media at the time, and many pundits, thought it was just a show. I knew he was serious from day one because he had his family behind him at the very beginning of this. One of his "tells". If his family members are involved it is serious and for real.

He is not of the political establishment. This allows him to venture down policy paths that establishment politicians cannot or are unwilling to travel. The political establishment, even those in the GOP, have been pushing back from the start.

Judicial Branch has been served well by his appointments.

His support of the military, law enforcement, fire/rescue is strong and the support is constantly and publicly proudly mentioned.  

Prison reform, economic reforms, trade, enforcing the rule of law, jobs, and diplomacy have had new benchmarks set.

All this and more against an unending tirade of media distortions and outright lies in cahoots with the Democrat party.

To those who dislike Trump, I ask, how do you know him? Through the media. A media that constantly distorts the truth and ignores the good and great things he's done.

Trump isn't perfect. He will tell you he is just to get you riled. Typical New Yorker attitude.

He gets the job done. He is out there everyday. He extols the Greatness of America. The Greatness of her people. Everyday.

I'm voting for him in 2020. I hope we can repeal the 22nd amendment so we can vote for him in 2024 too.

 

You might want to read up on how Amendments are repealed.

[f6john]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
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Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

I said treasonous actions of the left. Obama’s part if any has yet to be laid bare.

Oh. Well then, would you care to list who and what you believe has been treasonous on the "left" ?

How about this, you list all treasonous actions possible and I’ll check off the ones attributable to the left.

[Alien]

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I do not hate Trump.  I do think that he is an egomaniac and that almost all of his actions are centered around his ego and image.
...
I wish that there was a viable third party candidate but that hasn't happenned since Ross Perot and he was a wacky little guy.

I think that the main divide between our philosophies is money first vs people first.  I'm a people first guy.
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I will to clarify my position to you.  I think you have deluded yourself.  You say you don't hate President Trump but your every word and action demonstrate that you do.  You can't even manage to refer to him as President Trump.

You say the President is a divider.  Once more you have chosen to delude yourself.  The division has been going on for many years.  It was there somewhat with the lack of cooperation with President Bush by elected Democrats.  It was intensified by the presidency of Barack Obama who went out of his way to divide not only along political lines but more intensely between races.  President Obama sent a representative to the funeral of a slain criminal but sent no one to the funerals of slain police officers. He commented that a slain assailant could have been his own son.  These actions based solely upon the color of these men's skin, racist behvior.  President Trump has responded to attacks upon his integrity by the Democrats behind the leadership of Pelosi and Schumer.  It was and is the Democrats who are fueling the divide.

I wish he would stay away from Twitter.  I do.  I do wish that some, such as yourself, would not simply ingest all that a hostile media has to say about the duly elected President of the United States.

Donald Trump is about money rather than people?  He's a businessman (and not a career politician).  Business is what he does best.  Not a people person?  His actions have done more for unemployment than his most recent predecessor, maybe a host of predecessors.  Interestingly his actions and policies have raised the employment rate of African Americans.

Money is more important than people?  This presidency is costing Donald Trump.  He's not exponentially raising his financial standing such as was done by the Clintons and President Obama.  My financial status has grown under President Trump.  I suspect yours and many, many others' have as well.  We're people.

Ross Perot was not a viable third party candidate.  The only purpose he served was to take away votes that would have reelected the sitting President.

I get nervous when I see fanatic despite against any sitting president.  It made me nervous with President Obama and it makes me nervous with President Trump.

I think you are fooling yourself about the way things truly are and about and about your own motivations and behavior.

President Trump was not my first choice going into the primaries in '16.  I don't like some of the things that he does; specifically tweeting, name calling, and sometimes self aggrandizement.  I do see that across the treacherous times we have experienced he has been very good, possibly the best man, for America.  I see the projected platform of the Democrat party as disastrous for America.  I think we're in for more years of crisis.  As such I think Donald Trump, even with his traits, may be the best man for America.  Certainly he will be better for the country than the provided alternatives.  

So, you begin by stating that I am deluding myself.  I say that I do not hate the President and you argue that I do.  Then you go on to state that I am fooling myself about my own motiviation.

Please, great, wise, all-knowing Willow, tell me more about what I think and feel.  

[shadowsoftime]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son?  

 taking out of context, no surprise.
by the way, that is a direct insult to me, i should report for breaking rules of the road.              lol

[Chrisj CMA]

So, Mr Alien.  Bottom line, you voting for President Trump?

[Willow]

So, you begin by stating that I am deluding myself.  I say that I do not hate the President and you argue that I do.  Then you go on to state that I am fooling myself about my own motiviation.

Please, great, wise, all-knowing Willow, tell me more about what I think and feel.  

Once more (because I told you this before) I am not about feelings.  The evidence of hatred is in behavior, what one says and what one does.

I've no insight on what you think.  I've not seen enough evidence to speak at all on what or whether you think.

[Alien]

So, Mr Alien.  Bottom line, you voting for President Trump?

Nope.  But I don't think you're stupid, deluded or a bad American if you do.  I just disagree.

[Alien]

So, you begin by stating that I am deluding myself.  I say that I do not hate the President and you argue that I do.  Then you go on to state that I am fooling myself about my own motiviation.

Please, great, wise, all-knowing Willow, tell me more about what I think and feel.  

Once more (because I told you this before) I am not about feelings.  The evidence of hatred is in behavior, what one says and what one does.

I've no insight on what you think.  I've not seen enough evidence to speak at all on what or whether you think.

Much as you and the President may not like it, feelings matter. It's the disregard for the feelings of much of the public that have brought us to this tipping point.

[Chrisj CMA]

So, Mr Alien.  Bottom line, you voting for President Trump?

Nope.  But I don't think you're stupid, deluded or a bad American if you do.  I just disagree.

I personally share some of your dislikes of the man’s actions/statements.  But the fact that he left a better life to be ridiculed day and night continuously and still accomplished what he accomplished proves to me that at this point in time he is obviously the only candidate worth voting for.

Peace