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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Deflect! Well played. |
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When the President was asked to denounce white supremecist groups his response was: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said. The Proud Boys, being hateful idiots, have taken this as a direct endorsement from the President and a call from him to become violent. Short article here: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512?fbclid=IwAR2zATMsBrYcutdDb6NWXOi0hpQDSwfMLaIlx2rEQQfW0dntr-cd68V6ffw Why in the hell, couldn't the President just say "Of course, I denounce any racist or extremeins group." That's all he had to do. This is why he has to go. The President of the United States of America refused to denounce white supremecy in front of the entire nation. Think about that. Instead, he gave a shout out to a hate group. Disgusting. How convenient that you omitted this.. “Sure, I’m prepared to do that,” the president said. “I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right-wing. I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.” |
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2020, 07:41:39 AM » |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
Why is it than whenever a post is made by someone that this group considers to be 'leftist, liberal, what have you', it's considered to be an effort "to incite"? Alien's posts are to the point and timely. Unfortunately for some, they're considered to be 'pot-stirring'. I always find it interesting how upset some members get when one of the 'minority' members of this board post something they find objectionable. And don't even get me started on those that buy tinfoil by the case. |
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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2020, 07:43:44 AM » |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. Randy, with all due respect. We have a couple members that are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong, and is the figurehead of what is right with our country. 40 times ? I could probably pull up hundreds of posts like that. Yet, nothing is ever said to them. |
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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2020, 07:43:56 AM » |
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Let me be clear. Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists. He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.
That's what happenned last night in America.
You make stuff up in your head. If you missed the debate or think I'm making this up, choose the news source of your choice and look it up. Having watched several of the "News" sources and seeing their obvious bias, they are all putting a similar spin as your own. There hasn't been a neutral source in years, Obama could do no wrong and Trump can do no right. Give me a freaking break.........  Rams |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. Randy, with all due respect. We have a couple members that are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong, and is the figurehead of what is right with our country. 40 times ? I could probably pull up hundreds of posts like that. Yet, nothing is ever said to them. There's a subtle difference between a post and being the originator of an individual thread. |
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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2020, 07:57:59 AM » |
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I think his response was based on his non acceptance of the premise of the question, which was essentially, do you agree to ignore Antifa, BLM and the anarchists and condemn other groups that have had little if anything to do with the riots and violence? He may as well asked him if he'd condemn the Khmer Rouge.
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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2020, 08:11:09 AM » |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. Randy, with all due respect. We have a couple members that are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong, and is the figurehead of what is right with our country. 40 times ? I could probably pull up hundreds of posts like that. Yet, nothing is ever said to them.  Nothing ever said to them! You are the Trump hall monitor on this site. You don’t let any opportunity pass to correct us and if you do, Bob can be counted on to step in with a lol and some words of wisdom. As you are always asking us to site examples, I would like to see the posts where members are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong. |
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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2020, 08:13:19 AM » |
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Yes and once again the spin doctor and the canonized words "The President and his proud boys" Gosh you said it is must be true. The one and only Alien. You go |
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Yes and once again the spin doctor and the canonized words "The President and his proud boys" Gosh you said it is must be true. The one and only Alien. You go "C'mon man". He can't help himself. |
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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2020, 08:15:39 AM » |
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I think his response was based on his non acceptance of the premise of the question, which was essentially, do you agree to ignore Antifa, BLM and the anarchists and condemn other groups that have had little if anything to do with the riots and violence? He may as well asked him if he'd condemn the Khmer Rouge.
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It seemed like a pretty straightforward question to me. WALLACE: "You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?" |
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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2020, 08:17:07 AM » |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. Randy, with all due respect. We have a couple members that are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong, and is the figurehead of what is right with our country. 40 times ? I could probably pull up hundreds of posts like that. Yet, nothing is ever said to them. Rob, Trump does plenty wrong. I do not care what others do. My statement was from my perspective. You may not see it the same way I do and that is fine. |
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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2020, 08:17:24 AM » |
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2020, 08:20:23 AM » |
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Let me be clear. Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists. He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.
That's what happenned last night in America.
You make stuff up in your head. If you missed the debate or think I'm making this up, choose the news source of your choice and look it up. Again, you make stuff up in your head. You are the one that can’t see the entire picture. You ignore your own supported side. Examine your party. Forget your hatred for one man and examine your own party. Get off your keyboard and examine your own party. The classic "what about ____" deflection isn't going to work here. He said what he said. That's all there is to it. You can't face your own party. You see the burning down of our land and you clearly know who is responsible. Your party openly supports this. Deflection was in the OP statement. |
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« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2020, 08:21:44 AM » |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
The President has now incited a group of violent morons. I think that's worth discussing. So what about the proud boy's reaction? Link to the article in the first post? What about that? Do you see it ending well? I don't. Absolutely nothing this president does will end well in your opinion. You have made that clear on here about 40 times. Enough already. Randy, with all due respect. We have a couple members that are constantly touting how Trump does nothing wrong, and is the figurehead of what is right with our country. 40 times ? I could probably pull up hundreds of posts like that. Yet, nothing is ever said to them. Rob, Trump does plenty wrong. I do not care what others do. My statement was from my perspective. You may not see it the same way I do and that is fine. |
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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2020, 08:22:11 AM » |
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Once again "white supremacists"
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I agree with everything you said but this point needs to be made also.
The reason he cannot condemn them is they finance his campaign and the Dem party. The dems are paid for riots.
Could you post a link to back up your claim? I can't find it anywhere. Type antifa.com in google. Takes you right to JoeBiden.com. Go ahead. Try it..... I DARE YOU...... |
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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2020, 08:28:26 AM » |
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42:18 Chris Wallace: (41:33) You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland. President Donald J. Trump: (41:57) Sure, I’m will to do that. Chris Wallace: (41:59) Are you prepared specifically to do it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:00) I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing. Chris Wallace: (42:04) But what are you saying? President Donald J. Trump: (42:06) I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Chris Wallace: (42:08) Well, do it, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09) Say it, do it say it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn. Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia. President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
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42:18 Chris Wallace: (41:33) You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland. President Donald J. Trump: (41:57) Sure, I’m will to do that. Chris Wallace: (41:59) Are you prepared specifically to do it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:00) I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing. Chris Wallace: (42:04) But what are you saying? President Donald J. Trump: (42:06) I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Chris Wallace: (42:08) Well, do it, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09) Say it, do it say it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn. Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia. President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.WHERE DID HE SAY "HIS PROUD BOYS"? WHERE? |
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42:18 Chris Wallace: (41:33) You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland. President Donald J. Trump: (41:57) Sure, I’m will to do that. Chris Wallace: (41:59) Are you prepared specifically to do it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:00) I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing. Chris Wallace: (42:04) But what are you saying? President Donald J. Trump: (42:06) I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Chris Wallace: (42:08) Well, do it, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09) Say it, do it say it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn. Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia. President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.WHERE DID HE SAY "HIS PROUD BOYS"? WHERE? "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by." I'm not sure what you don't understand. |
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42:18 Chris Wallace: (41:33) You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland. President Donald J. Trump: (41:57) Sure, I’m will to do that. Chris Wallace: (41:59) Are you prepared specifically to do it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:00) I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing. Chris Wallace: (42:04) But what are you saying? President Donald J. Trump: (42:06) I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Chris Wallace: (42:08) Well, do it, sir. Vice President Joe Biden: (42:09) Say it, do it say it. President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn. Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia. President Donald J. Trump: (42:18)
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.WHERE DID HE SAY "HIS PROUD BOYS"? WHERE? "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by." I'm not sure what you don't understand. I give up. That's as far as I go down this deflected rabbit hole for now. |
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Britman, If you are referring to my use of the word "his" in the title of this thread, I wasn't suggesting that Trump had called them "his". Rather I was pointing out through the title of the thread and the linked article that they ARE his now, due to the President's comment last night, whether he wants them or not.
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OK so linking to a website is far different than putting a spot on a website and seeking donations and those donations go to a 3rd party and in the process are made tax exempt and given as tax exempt. Then you have to look at that website and see where the money goes on that site and their policies and procedures. The Clinton foundation operates in very much the same way. This is where the problem I believe comes in with you, you believe what they tell you instead of looking at the real numbers and facts. That takes time and understanding, its not just looking at websites but verifying that the information given is correct. As in the fact check site that Baldo made reference to is only partially correct. Its so much easier to hide a half truth than out and out lie. When you uncover what they don't want you to know and see the whole picture then you can understand if what is said is truth or not. Taken out of context or ideas anything can be made to sound great. Exclusive: Data shows that half of 2019 donations to ActBlue came from untraceable 'unemployed' donors Also a great way to get around donation limits to campaigns and another problem with Act Blue. |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
So true, yet he fails to recognize his actions on this board puts him on the same level as the very organizations that are causing all the damage via riots. As I said before Alien....give it a rest! Find something to do that is constructive, what you continually do here just ain't cutting it. |
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Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.
Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.
Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step. That is divide and conquer.
Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts. It is not to inform, it is to incite.
So true, yet he fails to recognize his actions on this board puts him on the same level as the very organizations that are causing all the damage via riots. As I said before Alien....give it a rest! Find something to do that is constructive, what you continually do here just ain't cutting it. John, I get that you and many others here disagree with me. That's ok. I get that my opinions make me unpopular here. That's ok too. I'm a member here the same as the rest of you. I ride a Valkyrie, I've met many of you at the Inzanes that I've attended. This board leans SO far to the right that another viewpoint has to be expressed. I feel that I have earned the right to do that over the last decade of my membership. |
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« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2020, 09:25:26 AM » |
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Britman, If you are referring to my use of the word "his" in the title of this thread, I wasn't suggesting that Trump had called them "his". Rather I was pointing out through the title of the thread and the linked article that they ARE his now, due to the President's comment last night, whether he wants them or not.
I'm sorry if that was not clear.
Are you sure you want to go there with all the shout outs to all the organizations that the dems have given? Are we now to call them theirs, like BLM and ANTIFA? Alien its not the ideas being different, its the supposed definitive conclusions you draw that are the problem. The shock and awe over a statement is not countered by the actions taken by this president. But you seem not to consider the actions and grab the statement and then suppose all kinds of stuff on top. There is also no reasoning either. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #75 on: September 30, 2020, 09:51:38 AM » |
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If the moderator and the media were truly concerned about white supremacy, why didn't they ask Biden about his record of work with segregationists in the Senate, and so many of the horrible things he has said about black Americans and race over the years? President Trump has absolutely no history of working with segregationists or raccists. In fact, his record as president is one of instituting multiple policies aimed specifically at helping the black community. Where's Biden's record after half a century? No questions to Biden about the vile anti-Semitism in his party, or in his own campaign. Nothing.
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« Reply #76 on: September 30, 2020, 09:54:28 AM » |
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This board leans SO far to the right that another viewpoint has to be expressed.
I feel that I have earned the right to do that over the last decade of my membership.
Another of your sweeping statements. You really just can't help yourself. Earned the right? I've been a member far longer than you. Do my words carry more weight than yours?? |
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