The President and his proud boys...

[Alien]

When the President was asked to denounce white supremecist groups his response was:

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.

The Proud Boys, being hateful idiots, have taken this as a direct endorsement from the President and a call from him to become violent.

Short article here: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512?fbclid=IwAR2zATMsBrYcutdDb6NWXOi0hpQDSwfMLaIlx2rEQQfW0dntr-cd68V6ffw

Why in the hell, couldn't the President just say "Of course, I denounce any racist or extremeins group."  That's all he had to do.  This is why he has to go.

The President of the United States of America refused to denounce white supremecy in front of the entire nation.  Think about that.  Instead, he gave a shout out to a hate group.  Disgusting.

[Bowtie]

Thought about it - don't see it the way you do.

[Robert]

When the President was asked to denounce white supremecist groups his response was:

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.

The Proud Boys, being hateful idiots, have taken this as a direct endorsement from the President and a call from him to become violent.

Because he is not a politician and told it like it was, the Dems run Antifa and the groups that are rioting right now. The ones causing all the destruction and it was proven by following the money and the fact that Trump, not the local officials have actually done something about it. In so far as he Deputized the Sheriffs and others so that arrests are now federal crimes and able to be prosecuted at that level. The locals were playing catch and release and going so far are to rewrite laws.

Trump almost got his butt in a sling since they laid a trap for him to send in the National Guard over the wishes of local officials which they could call him on and charge him with usurping local authority.

Hateful idiots, HUH, What planet are you on that you dont address Antifa and rioters yet call Proud boys hateful idiots and want all groups punished. You want Trump to lump all these groups together when Proud Boys have done nothing wrong except challenge Antifa? They ban right leaning organizations off all the websites and social media platforms that has done nothing but share information but allow Antifa, BLM, CHOP to continue to use their platforms. In fact receive donations to help the Dem party.

This is the way the left gets exactly what it wants and stops the right with laws and regs that they will follow all the while making no dent in the violence from the left and Antifa, BLM, and CHOP,  since they will not follow the laws or get released.

In public perception he did a wise thing he separated Proud Boys in the minds of people from the ones causing all the destruction that was smart.

Come on you are not that ignorant are you, do you not see this and agree with this?

White Supremacists have been defined by the left as anyone who is white, born to white parents live a normal life and does not destroy things nor want to take down the government.

So NO he would not want to take down white supremacists till Trump redefines what that exactly is since any action with those terms will agree with the lefts definitions and give legitimacy to their attacks. 

You by the lefts definition are a white supremacist.

[Jersey mike]

With in the last week or so The President signed an order declaring the Kkk and Antifa terrorist groups and lynching to be outlawed.

[Alien]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

[Robert]

Let me be clear

The president acted in and addressed in exec orders and stopping the violence, and made laws on the Klan and Antifa, and last night would not lie and lump all groups together and would not call out people like you or the dems for supporting terror and getting their support from terror organizations. Which he already addressed in Federal laws.

That is what happened.  

Also he did not quell his base that has done NOTHING WRONG!

[Willow]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

[Alien]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

Since you missed it:

Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.

[98valk]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

u clearly are a UN marxist communist anti-american in your thinking and writing. sadly you don't see that u are or even think that u are. That is the result of indoctrination that has been done to you over the yrs.

have  u ever, ever read the USC, DoI, BoRs?

[Robert]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

Since you missed it:

Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.

What damage have they done????????

Why did the dems NOT denounce ANTIFA AND BLM?

Riots following George Floyd's death could cost up to $2B, How much damage have right wing groups done? Please give me some numbers.

[98valk]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

Since you missed it:

Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.

urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

do u know who the left UN controlled liberals say that is?   it is anybody who is against their agenda of disbanding American doing away with it and going to UN controlled areas. doing away with the American way of life.   have u ever read UN 21 and 2030 agendas? maybe u should and see they are the left's agendas. the new green deal comes from those agendas.

[Alien]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

u clearly are a UN marxist communist anti-american in your thinking and writing. sadly you don't see that u are or even think that u are. That is the result of indoctrination that has been done to you over the yrs.

have  u ever, ever read the USC, DoI, BoRs?

Um...whatever dude.  I don't read what you read.  The fact remains that the President had the opportunity to unite people or, at the very least, to not make things worse.  He chose neither option.  It really doesn't matter what you or I think about it, it happened.  He can't claim fake news.  Everyone was watching.

[_Sheffjs_]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

You make stuff up in your head.

[Alien]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

You make stuff up in your head.

If you missed the debate or think I'm making this up, choose the news source of your choice and look it up.

[Willow]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

Since you missed it:

Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.  

I guess I just didn't make it simple enough for you.  I saw the exchange.  I didn't see it as the President refusing to condemn a group.  The question posed to him was a sloppy trap.  White supremacist groups may be wrong in your mind and mine but they are not the groups currently initiating rioting and violence.

It's sort of like when speaking of men beating their wives if the question were asked, "Will you tell wives to do a better job of cooking dinner for their husbands?"  No, wait.  You won't get that either.

Off subject question.  Implied demand to equate groups at opposite ends when only one end is currently causing the problems.

I did clearly see that Joe Biden didn't take more than one opportunity to condemn ANTIFA and the BLM movement.

Your television and mine were apparently showing different scenes.

[98valk]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

u clearly are a UN marxist communist anti-american in your thinking and writing. sadly you don't see that u are or even think that u are. That is the result of indoctrination that has been done to you over the yrs.

have  u ever, ever read the USC, DoI, BoRs?

Um...whatever dude.  I don't read what you read.  The fact remains that the President had the opportunity to unite people or, at the very least, to not make things worse.  He chose neither option.  It really doesn't matter what you or I think about it, it happened.  He can't claim fake news.  Everyone was watching.

and that is your problem, u are unaware of the world agenda around u.

have u ever read the agendas of the G20 nations meetings?

[Alien]

I must have missed that moment in the "debate".  I did catch that Joe Biden was unwilling to denounce ANTIFA and BLM who are actively promoting rioting and looting.  The Democrat candidate did say that rioting is not protesting.  President Trump has condemned violence and rioting.  I'm not sure I see the difference that you're imagining.

Since you missed it:

Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."

Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.

But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem," Trump said.  

I guess I just didn't make it simple enough for you.  I saw the exchange.  I didn't see it as the President refusing to condemn a group.  The question posed to him was a sloppy trap.  White supremacist groups may be wrong in your mind and mine but they are not the groups currently initiating rioting and violence.

It's sort of like when speaking of men beating their wives if the question were asked, "Will you tell wives to do a better job of cooking dinner for their husbands?"  No, wait.  You won't get that either.

Off subject question.  Implied demand to equate groups at opposite ends when only one end is currently causing the problems.

I did clearly see that Joe Biden didn't take more than one opportunity to condemn ANTIFA and the BLM movement.

Your television and mine were apparently showing different scenes.

Yes, it would appear so.

[Alien]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

u clearly are a UN marxist communist anti-american in your thinking and writing. sadly you don't see that u are or even think that u are. That is the result of indoctrination that has been done to you over the yrs.

have  u ever, ever read the USC, DoI, BoRs?

Um...whatever dude.  I don't read what you read.  The fact remains that the President had the opportunity to unite people or, at the very least, to not make things worse.  He chose neither option.  It really doesn't matter what you or I think about it, it happened.  He can't claim fake news.  Everyone was watching.

and that is your problem, u are unaware of the world agenda around u.

have u ever read the agendas of the G20 nations meetings?

Everything is about the UN and global conspiracies with you.  Ok, you hate the UN.  I get it.  That changes nothing about last night though.

[Serk]

Perfect illustration of how useless and silly these "debates" have become. They're not about exchange of ideas or putting platforms up against each other, or even comparing personality and temperament of leadership.

It's all about looking for a 'Gotcha!' moment and scoring points against the other side's guy...

[_Sheffjs_]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

You make stuff up in your head.

If you missed the debate or think I'm making this up, choose the news source of your choice and look it up.

Again, you make stuff up in your head.  You are the one that can’t see the entire picture. You ignore your own supported side. Examine your party. Forget your hatred for one man and examine your own party. Get off your keyboard and examine your own party.  

[Alien]

Let me be clear.  Last night, the President of the United States of America refused to condemn white supremacists.  He also refused to commit to asking his supporters to remain peaceful during and after the election.

That's what happenned last night in America.

You make stuff up in your head.

If you missed the debate or think I'm making this up, choose the news source of your choice and look it up.

Again, you make stuff up in your head.  You are the one that can’t see the entire picture. You ignore your own supported side. Examine your party. Forget your hatred for one man and examine your own party. Get off your keyboard and examine your own party.  

The classic "what about ____" deflection isn't going to work here.  He said what he said.  That's all there is to it.

[Willow]

Again, you make stuff up in your head.  You are the one that can’t see the entire picture. You ignore your own supported side. Examine your party. Forget your hatred for one man and examine your own party. Get off your keyboard and examine your own party.  

The classic "what about ____" deflection isn't going to work here.  He said what he said.  That's all there is to it.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? "What about _____" deflection?  Apparently Sheffjs must have deleted that part of his post.  It's not there.   

[Robert]

I guess I just didn't make it simple enough for you.  I saw the exchange.  I didn't see it as the President refusing to condemn a group.  The question posed to him was a sloppy trap.  White supremacist groups may be wrong in your mind and mine but they are not the groups currently initiating rioting and violence.

It's sort of like when speaking of men beating their wives if the question were asked, "Will you tell wives to do a better job of cooking dinner for their husbands?"  No, wait.  You won't get that either.

Off subject question.  Implied demand to equate groups at opposite ends when only one end is currently causing the problems.

I did clearly see that Joe Biden didn't take more than one opportunity to condemn ANTIFA and the BLM movement.

Your television and mine were apparently showing different scenes.

Awesome explanation and I got it as most did. 

As known it has nothing to do with the tv but perception and understanding of the finer implications under the surface.

Hearing they do not hear and seeing they do not see.

[f6john]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

[..]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

 

[MAD6Gun]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

 Chris Wallace is the reason I don't watch Fox on Sunday. He doesn't even try to hide his bias to the left. Trump had two adversaries last night. Biden and Chris Wallace.

 With that being said. Alien you must have missed it when Chris asked the question about condemning white supremacy Trump said "sure" before the quote you mentioned. But you conveniently forgot to mention that. Like Trump said. The problem of violence in our streets is not being caused by "the proud boys" or any other right wing organization. It is being caused by Antifa and BLM. Both are terrorist organization and Biden REFUSES to condemn them. He said Antifa is an "idea". Ideas don't burn down buildings and hurt people. Give me a break.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

This was the question ;

WALLACE: "You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?"

That was a clear statement and question. No ambiguity.

[..]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

This was the question ;

WALLACE: "You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?"

That was a clear statement and question. No ambiguity.

See post above.

[Robert]

It is being caused by Antifa and BLM. Both are terrorist organization and Biden REFUSES to condemn them. He said Antifa is an "idea". Ideas don't burn down buildings and hurt people. Give me a break.

I agree with everything you said but this point needs to be made also.

The reason he cannot condemn them is they finance his campaign and the Dem party. The dems are paid for riots, if you cannot condemn something that is wrong just rephrase it or rename it and instantly it becomes ok. Just the same as something good and acceptable rename or rephrase them and it becomes unacceptable, "DEPLORABLES"

[baldo]

I agree with everything you said but this point needs to be made also.

The reason he cannot condemn them is they finance his campaign and the Dem party. The dems are paid for riots.

Could you post a link to back up your claim? I can't find it anywhere.

[Jess from VA]

Yawn.

So Trump won't parrot SJW mantras (or be led by the nose by a biased moderator)?   Fine with me. Better than fine.  

If the duly elected state governments won't shut down months of violence and rioting, and won't invite federal assistance in doing so, let citizens groups do it.  

Stand by?  Every good citizen with a brain is standing by.

If Trump lost the debate so badly, how come a whole pile of leftist journalists are calling to stop all further debates?   I'm fine with calling the rest off.  

By all accounts, the debate was kind of a hot mess.  Both guys did poorly and both guys scored some points.  No one's mind was changed.  Did anyone expect something different?

If Trump is a bull in a china shop (with a clear US-first agenda), Biden is a lame goose with talking points (and a pure left wing nut job as a running mate who might need to step in any time).       

[Moonshot_1]

Just by posing the question the way it was implied, assumes the President had at some time supported the white supremacy movement. That never happened but the guilt was implied. It was not Trumps job to make Wallace look like he was doing a good job.

This was the question ;

WALLACE: "You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?"

That was a clear statement and question. No ambiguity.

It was and is a bogus question. The violence in Kenosha and Portland is being perpetrated by the likes of Antifa, and BLM. People defending themselves from this violence are being labeled white supremacists and militia groups.

I don't see "white supremacists" or militia groups burning down cities. Don't see them rioting.

The President has consistently denounced the violence, looting and rioting across the board.

Do you?

[scooperhsd]

I can't recall a SINGLE violent incident on the news caused by WHITE supremacist groups in the last 6 months, maybe a year. OTOH, I've seen plenty caused by BLM / ANTIFA - Portland OR was still a s***storm the last I heard.

[Alien]

Proud Boys - The organization glorifies political violence against leftists, re-enacting political assassinations, wearing shirts that praise Augusto Pinochet's murders of leftists and participating directly in political violence.[26][31] McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."[26][42] He further stated that "[w]e don't start fights [...] but we will finish them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-looks-to-charge-9-proud-boys-with-assault-for-manhattan-fight

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/04/25/new-fight-club-ready-street-violence

[Rams]

This "debate" changed no one's mind.   People heard what they wanted to hear based on their own affiliation or hatred.

Open minds were/are not participating IMHO.   While I don't particularly like DJT as a person, he has done a superb job with the economy, help bring nations together in the middle east and filling judicial openings that the Obama Administration left open and many other things.   Those positions needed to be filled.  He has my support versus what the Democrats are offering.   VP Biden had 47 years to lead changes and didn't do it, now he says he'll do this or that.     He's a puppet on a string.   While I don't agree with President Trump on many issues, at least he stands up for what he believes in.

It's funny how folks only hear and see what they want to see.   I'm probably as guilty as the next guy but, I see it even here.   

Rams

[baldo]

Proud Boys - The organization glorifies political violence against leftists, re-enacting political assassinations, wearing shirts that praise Augusto Pinochet's murders of leftists and participating directly in political violence.[26][31] McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."[26][42] He further stated that "[w]e don't start fights [...] but we will finish them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-looks-to-charge-9-proud-boys-with-assault-for-manhattan-fight

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/04/25/new-fight-club-ready-street-violence

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html

[Robert]

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[..]

“You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups, but are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland,” Fox News’ Wallace said, referencing violent rioting in a number of Democratic cities in recent months.

“Sure, I’m prepared to do that,” the president said. “I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right-wing. I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

[carolinarider09]

Don't forget the ulterior motive of the OP.  

Cause hate, cause discontent, cause anger.  

Now, once we have responded with fervor and some anger, we are now ready for the next step.  That is divide and conquer.  

Do not forget the OP has a motive for making these posts.  It is not to inform, it is to incite.  

 

[..]

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden defended far-left anarchist movement Antifa as “an idea, not an organization” and said white supremacists pose a greater danger to the country during the first presidential debate on Tuesday night.