So,,,,

[f6john]

The FBI has confirmed they have Hunter Biden’s laptop and it is the genuine article, not Russian interference in the 2020 election. So now they have some “splaining” to do about what they have been doing with it for close to a year. Also what if anything is on that hard drive that could affect national security and is their incriminating evidence against Joe and his dealings with his son and foreign entities.

[Rams]

Pretty ironic it's taken this long for something to get out.   Obviously, we don't know what is on that computer but, the FBI is losing a lot of credibility by holding off and saying nothing/something.  

Although, I do understand that should they screw up an election with out evidence of wrong doing, heads would roll but, what if, some are about to vote for another crook like WJC and his wife HRC.

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

Might be missing the big picture here. Or perhaps many smaller ones.

I'm guessing there is an extraordinary amount of evidence into other criminal activity. Beyond the Bidens and beyond politics.

The thought that the main story here is Political corruption might be incorrect. It is just one of them.

[carolinarider09]

My suspicion is that this is just the "roadmap" for a lot of politicians and how they get rich after being elected.

Today, I fear, its the rule not the exception. 

[Rams]

My suspicion is that this is just the "roadmap" for a lot of politicians and how they get rich after being elected.

Today, I fear, its the rule not the exception. 

No truer words have been spoken (at least in this thread). 

Rams

[f6john]

Might be missing the big picture here. Or perhaps many smaller ones.

I'm guessing there is an extraordinary amount of evidence into other criminal activity. Beyond the Bidens and beyond politics.

The thought that the main story here is Political corruption might be incorrect. It is just one of them.

The thing that makes me feel like I could bite nails in two is that if the owner of that laptop was you or I, it’s handling would be dramatically different. We wouldn’t have former CIA directors who have not had access to the laptops claiming it smells like Russian interference even though they have no such evidence. If it was Trumps laptop, everyone could download their own copy and everyone with a bone to pick would be marching, burning and looting to their hearts content. The main story here is for me, that the deep state protects its own no matter the damning evidence. Our own Trump detractor (Rob Schiff  )chimed in that this was another Giuliani witch-hunt which is sop for the Democratic Party, Russia Russia Russia.

My suspicion is that this is just the "roadmap" for a lot of politicians and how they get rich after being elected.

Today, I fear, its the rule not the exception. 

The FBI has the roadmap. After a year, they have nothing to say. If anything that has been suggested is on that hard drive, you or I would be in custody. All this does is give those who have a lot of privilege and power more cover and confidence that they are about the law.

[carolinarider09]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

The owner of the laptop (after Hunter Biden failed to pick it up) looked at the data because of who had owned the laptop before he got official ownership. 

When he saw what was on the laptop, he made copies (to cover his behind because you never know) and then called the FBI and gave it to them to begin an investigation. 

The FBI, being the SWAMP at the highest levels, sat on the data for two reasons.

Reason one, to begin prosecution of Hunter Biden would officially remove Joe Biden from running for President in 2020.  This would mean that one of the other Democrat Party nominees  would probably get the nomination and none of them really had a chance to win against Trump, to radically left leaning.

Reason two, if you accept Reason one, is that if Joe Biden wins and becomes President, the SWAMP has all the necessary information to totally control him for the next four to eight years. 

So, why did the Democrat Party elect and put into place Kamila Harris for the V.P. Slot??  She has a track record of doing what is required of her by the "Party".  Therefore, if Joe Biden (as President) tried to fight back against the SWAMP, they could easily use the Hunter Biden data to make him resign (citing health reasons) and letting the V.P. take over thereby cementing the SWAMP's control of the presidency. 

The only thing that sort of bugs me is that the laptop owner waited until two weeks before the election to come forward.  Maybe it was the end of the road for him since he had waited almost a year for the federal government to take action.  Maybe he was really afraid of Joe Biden winning and knew that if he did, he would be in the pocket of the SWAMP and in fact his life (current laptop owners) and family might be in considerable danger for the rest of his life since he knew the truth. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

[_Sheffjs_]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

[baldo]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

[Patrick]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff?  

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

I don't think you want to make it to Final or have any chance as returning tomorrow as champion.  

[Robert]

I'm sure the child pornography was fake also 

[Robert]

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

Facts ok
Meat
"No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden."

Truth/fact
How do we know this? did you hear this and can you back it up?

Meat
He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns.

Truth/fact
FBI Concurs With Director Of National Intelligence, Biden Laptop NOT Russian Disinformation…

The laptop was originally given to the FBI and backups made because the guy felt threatened for his life.

Others have had the time to look at the drives and found the same disgusting information.

Is the video of Biden admitting he got the Ukraine prosecuting attorney fired by using his position a Russian hoax?

Is the admittance of many others that they paid Biden in a pay for play scheme a hoax?

Even if you discount the laptop there is so much other information and another Chinese scandal that it buries Biden and his son.

Why has not the Biden campaign said it was a hoax, they have not said the information was false?

In case anyone wants a timeline and exactly how, what and why you can watch this video

https://youtu.be/_ax-KRezCIw?t=110

It is illegal for an American politician to engage in business deals with foreign nationals, that is why Hunter was used to pedal favor and received the money then gave his father half.

International bribery act of 1998.

If you want to do business with Joe Biden then hire his son.

That is the facts, since you said it would be nice.

Stop listening to Adam Schiff so much.

[carolinarider09]

I wrote (typed) the above "conspiracy theory suggestion" before I found this from The Federalist. 

Even If He Wins, Biden’s Email Scandal Is Not Going Away

Anyone who has seen the movie “Wag the Dog” is familiar with exactly what is happening in the 2020 presidential election. In the film, a major scandal drops about the frontrunner just about three weeks before the election. The candidate is not able to deny the allegation, so the campaign engages in a holding action, inventing a war to distract from the scandal just long enough to win. What we don’t see, because the movie ends, is what happens to the scandal after the election.

Link to article in The Federalist.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/even-if-he-wins-bidens-email-scandal-is-not-going-away/

The Federalist is not rated very highly by the rated by the Media Bias Fact Check Website I use for bias checkin but they also rate the New York Times and Washington Post as "Highly Reliable"...   

But just in case you wanted a fact check website. 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

[f6john]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

Alex that would be the Trump Russia Collusion Mueller Witch-hunt!  Ding Ding Ding.

But Bob is right, we will never know the truth of what if anything is on those hard drives. And several Republican talking heads are saying that the majority of voters don’t care and don’t factor it into their voting decision, who am I to say different other than how it would affect me .

[Robert]

An interesting video on Kamala Harris and planned parenthood

https://youtu.be/9ZY61Fr518g

[Robert]

Except, Hunter admitted he profited off his family name!

"If your last name wasn’t Biden, do you think you would’ve been asked to be on the board of Burisma?" asked ABC News' Amy Robach in an October 15, 2019 interview.

"I don’t know. I don’t know. Probably not, in retrospect," said Hunter. "I don’t think that there’s a lot of things that would have happened in my life if my last name wasn’t Biden," he added, "because my dad was Vice President of the United States."

"There’s literally nothing, as a young man or as a full-grown adult that — my father in some way hasn’t had influence over."

What's more, the former President of Poland and Burisma board member Aleksander Kwasniewski said last November that Hunter was picked to sit on the company's board because of his name.

Secret Service Travel Logs Match Details In Alleged Hunter Biden Emails


Yup just a Russia conspiracy 

[The emperor has no clothes]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

Take the square for $421 million. 

[baldo]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

Take the square for $421 million. 

LOLOL

[Robert]

I'm sure like Obama and Biden he could just get a few speaking engagements and book deals. I doubt if he would use his own children as mules for deals, but I doubt he is worried because if Obama and Biden having nothing, now have a few mansions and property and cash I'm sure Trump would have no problem raising the cash.

But wait, actually he may, because he did not sell out the US to fund his own finances so he may have a harder time.  LOLOL

[Jersey mike]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Democrats had their throttles wide open and looking for more on impeachment but now precious Joe, his kid and who knows who else (Obama and staff?) are in the crosshairs and it’s all BS...nothing to see here. It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

[baldo]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Democrats had their throttles wide open and looking for more on impeachment but now precious Joe, his kid and who knows who else (Obama and staff?) are in the crosshairs and it’s all BS...nothing to see here. It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Let me say this.....

The impeachment was well deserved, I feel they didn't go far enough.

As far as this latest pathetic horseshit you're trying to justify, there's no there, there.

Again, a colossal waste of time and energy. A big fat nothingburger, that will just fade away, only to be resurrected in rightwing masturbatory fantasies.

Sad.

[Jersey mike]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Democrats had their throttles wide open and looking for more on impeachment but now precious Joe, his kid and who knows who else (Obama and staff?) are in the crosshairs and it’s all BS...nothing to see here. It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Let me say this.....

The impeachment was well deserved, I feel they didn't go far enough.

As far as this latest pathetic horseshit you're trying to justify, there's no there, there.

Again, a colossal waste of time and energy. A big fat nothingburger, that will just fade away, only to be resurrected in rightwing masturbatory fantasies.

Sad.

Really impeachment was justified but this whole laptop, money laundering Biden issue is a big nothing.

Funny how it all started in the same place...the Ukraine. Just follow the timeline, it’s all falling into place why Joe is really out running for President, to avoid an investigation from The Justice Dept.

As I said, it different when the shoe is on the other foot.

Look for retribution if the Republicans win back the house and keep the Senate, because the impeachment issue won’t go away, kavanaugh won’t go away, and now this whole Biden and company including Twitter and Facebook censorship is not going away.

[Robert]

Again, a colossal waste of time and energy. A big fat nothingburger, that will just fade away, only to be resurrected in rightwing masturbatory fantasies.

Sad.

It seems facts mean nothing to you, I figured Meat just couldn't put all the facts together or understand but you, really?

 You have equated a fully investigated Russia hoax plan, that had a goal to remove a sitting president with a made up dossier. The government paying millions of dollars to prosecute and discover facts that were not there about Trump, but the investigation led to a corrupted FISA court, that had Mueller falling on his face as a bumbling fool and showed the treasonous, lying, falsifying acts committed by Hillary, Schiff, Brennan, Clapper, Obama and many others after a full investigation that led them to these findings.

With a   

Found Hunter Biden laptop, verified by the FBI and National Intelligence and the Ukraine pay offs along with China all proven facts and discoveries, is in fact really a fantasy?

I think your fantasy life is all wrong and maybe that is whats wrong that you would use that course an allegory to describe your thoughts.

I have heard that in some end times stories men's minds will become so seared that they will not be able to distinguish between right and wrong or good and evil, maybe that is the case here.

[Farside]

Again, a colossal waste of time and energy. A big fat nothingburger, that will just fade away, only to be resurrected in rightwing masturbatory fantasies.

Sad.

It seems facts mean nothing to you, I figured Meat just couldn't put all the facts together or understand but you, really?

 You have equated a fully investigated Russia hoax plan, that had a goal to remove a sitting president with a made up dossier. The government paying millions of dollars to prosecute and discover facts that were not there about Trump, but the investigation led to a corrupted FISA court, that had Mueller falling on his face as a bumbling fool and showed the treasonous, lying, falsifying acts committed by Hillary, Schiff, Brennan, Clapper, Obama and many others after a full investigation that led them to these findings.

With a   

Found Hunter Biden laptop, verified by the FBI and National Intelligence and the Ukraine pay offs along with China all proven facts and discoveries, is in fact really a fantasy?

I think your fantasy life is all wrong and maybe that is whats wrong that you would use that course an allegory to describe your thoughts.

I have heard that in some end times stories men's minds will become so seared that they will not be able to distinguish between right and wrong or good and evil, maybe that is the case here.

  Blinded and doesn't recognize the facts and the corruption in DC and / or doesn't want to admit it. 

[_Sheffjs_]

So,,,,,,   You want another conspiracy theory?????

No, not really. Actual facts would be nice though.

So is your personal thoughts on this is that there is nothing to this at all and it is Right wing made up fluff? 

No. Personally, I think we should try to take in all the facts that we know. We know that Rudy's job has been to dig up dirt on Biden. He has been caught working with Igor and Lev in nefarious operations. He has been caught working with Russian and Ukrainian spies. And according to the Intelligence agencies of being compromised in their disinformation campaigns. We know that it was Rudy who gave the story to a tabloid. The writer of the story for the NY Post was so suspect of it himself, that he wouldn't even put his name to it. We know that the Post then attributed another of their writers to it without even their knowledge. We know that the FBI has been looking in to whether it is a Russian operation.
 There is also much at this point we don't know.

I'll take hopelessly desperate, total bullshit for $313 million, Alex.

How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Democrats had their throttles wide open and looking for more on impeachment but now precious Joe, his kid and who knows who else (Obama and staff?) are in the crosshairs and it’s all BS...nothing to see here. It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Let me say this.....

The impeachment was well deserved, I feel they didn't go far enough.

As far as this latest pathetic horseshit you're trying to justify, there's no there, there.

Again, a colossal waste of time and energy. A big fat nothingburger, that will just fade away, only to be resurrected in rightwing masturbatory fantasies.

Sad.

  Wow, you could have said rightwing fantasies, although you have clearly stated where you are loud and clear.  Well I hope I never meet you in person.  No no, only because I would be expecting Jack Nickelson.      Many on the Gen board have mentioned at times that some dialogue is completely worthless and it is better not to continue on.  I now agree and it is somewhat like the debates as the divide in or country is now at a staggering place.  Doc we need a reset,  set the year to 1955 please.   

[Robert]

Welcome to the democratic party and what that means


Biden promised to not raise your taxes. He broke his word, and he’ll do it again.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1318951158187253760

https://youtu.be/H3_64J02G_0

Chanel Rion OAN
@ChanelRion
Just saw for myself a behind the scenes look at the #HunterBiden hard drive:

Drugs, underage obsessions, power deals...

Druggie Hunter makes Anthony Weiner's down under selfie addiction look normal.

#BidenCrimeFamily has a lot of apologizing to do.

[baldo]

Welcome to the democratic party and what that means


Biden promised to not raise your taxes. He broke his word, and he’ll do it again.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1318951158187253760

https://youtu.be/H3_64J02G_0

Chanel Rion OAN
@ChanelRion
Just saw for myself a behind the scenes look at the #HunterBiden hard drive:

Drugs, underage obsessions, power deals...

Druggie Hunter makes Anthony Weiner's down under selfie addiction look normal.

#BidenCrimeFamily has a lot of apologizing to do.

OAN ???? Really

LOLOL

When you want it SO BAD to be true....

[Robert]

OAN ???? Really

LOLOL

When you want it SO BAD to be true....

I wont raise taxes, watch the video then dispute it.

https://youtu.be/H3_64J02G_0

I already gave you the facts you wont believe, if you want I can give you Donald Duck to say the same things maybe you'll believe him.  so from this point on it really does not matter who I give you.

https://youtu.be/_YrFULMj5qQ