firing in philly

[cookiedough]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

[98valk]

further reports state he was advancing towards the LEO when the shot him.

Also the neighbors called the police about the nut job with a knife.


history of the perp

18 priors, 5 for assaulting LEOs,

he was out on parole.

[f6john]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

It would have been better if the guy with the knife had killed someone first? Should we equip the police with knives to keep things more equal? Should police be armed with tranquilizer guns to subdue attackers that won’t respond to commands? How would you and I respond if we were confronted on the street by someone with a knife? What do we want the police to do when someone advances on them with a weapon, run?

[G-Man]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

It would have been better if the guy with the knife had killed someone first? Should we equip the police with knives to keep things more equal? Should police be armed with tranquilizer guns to subdue attackers that won’t respond to commands? How would you and I respond if we were confronted on the street by someone with a knife? What do we want the police to do when someone advances on them with a weapon, run?

Biden says to "shoot them in legs".  Moron!

[h13man]

Standard procedure training, 2 shots on the target unless target doesn't go down immediately and also never bring a knife to a potential gunfight.

[..]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

Have you seen any video of what happened???

If not, how can you have an opinion?

[..]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

Tell us what you would do in this situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KISscto8Xko&bpctr=1603810702

[scooperhsd]

Standard procedure training, 2 shots on the target unless target doesn't go down immediately and also never bring a knife to a potential gunfight.

+1 .

Peace through superior firepower.

[Chrisj CMA]

So many of these really good guys getting killed by police. They are criminals killed while doing what criminals do....breaking the law. Then cry for justice. Justice was done.

[Gavin_Sons]

Didn't they find a person stabbed to death close by?

[Serk]

Have you seen any video of what happened???

(Language and violence warning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZaGuMLgMXo

[Jess from VA]

Expert witnesses like Masaad Ayoob (police lieutenant) have offered testimony many times that a perp with a knife (shot or not) can cover quite a distance extremely quickly, and kill you (vest or not).  

Policeman's jobs require them to face lethal threats on a daily basis, and they deserve to go home to their families at the end of the day just like everyone else.  

So If you offer a policeman a lethal threat, and don't respond to clear orders to stop and drop the weapon, and keep coming, don't be surprised if they shoot you in the front side as many times as they can before you are stopped and fully down.  It's also how they train.

Thankfully, they are not required to holster their weapon and go in for the tackle take down (or they might all quit).

Cops and soldiers have very different jobs, but it's been a war (at least in large urban areas) for a long time now.  There is a pretty well publicized surge in police officer shootings this year, and 2020 now shows 234 policeman killed in line of duty this year.   (including a bunch of dirty trick ambush, sniper situations)

Urban policemen are quitting and retiring in droves this year, and who can blame them.

US cities are becoming more and more like Fallujah (for serving policemen) all the time.

This does not excuse the occasional mistakes or intentional wrongdoing by policemen, but it sure explains it some.

And BTW,  everyone here who would volunteer to serve as a policeman in Philadelphia, even at $100K with good benefits, raise your hands.    (pay is actually about half that)  

[scooperhsd]

Jess -
Stated pretty well. Cops shoot criminal doing criminal behavior. What do they expect - threaten a cop, and you get a ribbon / medal ?

Yes cops are people too, and they can make mistakes, for which they should be appropriately punished. Cops who are doing intentional wrongdoing should definitely be disciplined / charged with a crime where appropriate.

[..]

Have you seen any video of what happened???

(Language and violence warning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZaGuMLgMXo

Thanks.

Having seen that MAYBE they could have allowed him one step closer.

He can only attack one at a time BUT if close to your fellow officer how can you protect that officer without the possibility of doing harm to that officer?

I hope I'm never in a similar situation.

[Moonshot_1]

Law enforcement, as a general rule, don't just idly roam around. They are called to intervene in an emergency or a public threat.

There is a guy with a knife. The police are called because he presents a threat. The police arrive. The guy with the knife advances toward the police. The police warn and plead with him to drop the weapon. He advances.

Police use deadly force to end the deadly threat.

What is wrong with this picture?

Not a cursed thing.

[Chrisj CMA]

Law enforcement, as a general rule, don't just idly roam around. They are called to intervene in an emergency or a public threat.

There is a guy with a knife. The police are called because he presents a threat. The police arrive. The guy with the knife advances toward the police. The police warn and plead with him to drop the weapon. He advances.

Police use deadly force to end the deadly threat.

What is wrong with this picture?

Not a cursed thing.

Except it was a black guy. Such a good boy probably. In today’s hyper politicized racial economy black criminals are supposed to get a pass. When they get treated how they deserve it’s racial and someone needs justice. It’s ludicrous!

[old2soon]

Law enforcement, as a general rule, don't just idly roam around. They are called to intervene in an emergency or a public threat.

There is a guy with a knife. The police are called because he presents a threat. The police arrive. The guy with the knife advances toward the police. The police warn and plead with him to drop the weapon. He advances.

Police use deadly force to end the deadly threat.

What is wrong with this picture?

Not a cursed thing.

                    Other than bringing a knife to a gun fight? Ya just KNOW somebody hadda ask. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

wow, this stuff never ends

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/shooting-knife-wielding-man-philadelphia-050900167.html

does waving a knife at police justify firing several shots? 

Have you seen any video of what happened???

If not, how can you have an opinion?

It was a question not an opinion, do not get your undies in a wad..

Do not all officers nowadays have tazer guns? 

[Jess from VA]

Do not all officers nowadays have tazer guns?  


Tasers have become an essential tool for police, but how effective are they? An APM Reports investigation finds that officers in some big cities rated Tasers as unreliable up to 40 percent of the time, and in three large departments, newer models were less effective than older ones. In 258 cases over three years, a Taser failed to subdue someone who was then shot and killed by police.

APM Reports found more than 250 fatal police shootings nationwide between 2015 and 2017 that occurred after a Taser failed to incapacitate a suspect. In 106 of them, the suspect became more violent after receiving the electrical shock, according to a review of case files and media reports, suggesting the Taser may have made a bad situation worse.

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/05/09/when-tasers-fail

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-less-lethal-weapons-and-tactics

I could not find a reliable source for percentage of US policemen issued tasers, but I did find information saying 400,000 are issued and carried, and that there are about 800,000 police officers (state, not including all the ABC federal cops).  So about half.  And it would be my guess that most of them are issued in big metro PDs who have the budgets (so far) to buy them.  It's likely that the highest percentage of non-taser PDs are the small and rural ones with no budget for such things.

[98valk]

Do not all officers nowadays have tazer guns?  


Tasers have become an essential tool for police, but how effective are they? An APM Reports investigation finds that officers in some big cities rated Tasers as unreliable up to 40 percent of the time, and in three large departments, newer models were less effective than older ones. In 258 cases over three years, a Taser failed to subdue someone who was then shot and killed by police.

APM Reports found more than 250 fatal police shootings nationwide between 2015 and 2017 that occurred after a Taser failed to incapacitate a suspect. In 106 of them, the suspect became more violent after receiving the electrical shock, according to a review of case files and media reports, suggesting the Taser may have made a bad situation worse.

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/05/09/when-tasers-fail

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-less-lethal-weapons-and-tactics

I could not find a reliable source for percentage of US policemen issued tasers, but I did find information saying 400,000 are issued and carried, and that there are about 800,000 police officers (state, not including all the ABC federal cops).  So about half.  And it would be my guess that most of them are issued in big metro PDs who have the budgets (so far) to buy them.  It's likely that the highest percentage of non-taser PDs are the small and rural ones with no budget for such things.

exactly, the taser only works as long as the juice is applied. it is not a stun gun like in science fiction.
if another LEO tried to cuff the perp while the juice is on that LEO will be getting tased also.

that's why there are many videos showing the perp getting up and attacking the LEO after they were tased. and this isn't taking into account if they were drugged up on something.

[Oss]

Maybe they should just NOT report the color of the person killed.

Just desserts given

[Moonshot_1]

They should have deployed the SWAT team. The "Social Workers and Timeout" team

[Willow]

...
Do not all officers nowadays have tazer guns? 

A taser is intended to incapacitate an uncooperative suspect not to stop a criminal in the act of attacking the police with a deadly weapon.

[ridingron]

They should have deployed the SWAT team. The "Social Workers and Timeout" team.

Now that's funny! Is that the same group in charge of the flying unicorns?

[Serk]

They should have deployed the SWAT team. The "Social Workers and Timeout" team.

Now that's funny! Is that the same group in charge of the flying unicorns?

Hey now, don't be bad talking flying unicorns! That's the name of the spousal unit's competitive skydiving team, the Flying Unicorn Circus..... In Training.....

[ridingron]

 Standard procedure training, 2 shots on the target unless target doesn't go down immediately and also never bring a knife to a potential gunfight    

[ridingron]

They should have deployed the SWAT team. The "Social Workers and Timeout" team.

Now that's funny! Is that the same group in charge of the flying unicorns?

Hey now, don't be bad talking flying unicorns! That's the name of the spousal unit's competitive skydiving team, the Flying Unicorn Circus..... In Training.....

WOW, are they farting rainbows? (shirts)  

[Moonshot_1]

They should have deployed the SWAT team. The "Social Workers and Timeout" team.

Now that's funny! Is that the same group in charge of the flying unicorns?

Hey now, don't be bad talking flying unicorns! That's the name of the spousal unit's competitive skydiving team, the Flying Unicorn Circus..... In Training.....

Should be the "Flying Unicorn Circus Kids...In Training"

Too subtle with out the "kids". Make a statement.

[Serk]

Sorry not sorry for the total threadjack, but at this point I'd much rather talk about flying unicorns farting rainbows than another city full of rioters and looters...

WOW, are they farting rainbows? (shirts)  

Yup. Or, at one person said it looked like the rainbow was giving the unicorn *SURPRISE!* Butt Sex!

But I like to stick to the farting rainbows idea myself...

Should be the "Flying Unicorn Circus Kids...In Training"

Too subtle with out the "kids". Make a statement.

She liked that idea, but said they'd already settled on, for next year, Flying Unicorn Circus University...

(I talked her into doing a 2nd run of the jerseys, and I'm getting one as one of the team's official cheerleaders... )

[Bighead]

JUSTICE SERVED!!!

[98valk]

recent news the black female chief is asked why the officers didn't use tasers. she said they didn't have them not all have them.  mainly because of the liberal call for DEFUND the Police removed that money from the budget.

[h13man]

 Standard procedure training, 2 shots on the target unless target doesn't go down immediately and also never bring a knife to a potential gunfight    

Maybe you aren't using the right caliber weapon.

[G-Man]

recent news the black female chief is asked why the officers didn't use tasers. she said they didn't have them not all have them.  mainly because of the liberal call for DEFUND the Police removed that money from the budget.

They should use that excuse EVERYTIME ! ! !

What took the police so long to get there?  Not enough radio cars, had to cut back on the fleet due to budget cuts.
Why wasn't the officer wearing a camera?  Not enough for all officers due to budget cuts.
Why is crime so high on the subway?  Budget cuts.

[0leman]

On network news this morning, the idiot seems to be having mental issues in the video they showed.   LEO's were called.  There is video of the idiot waving the knife and advancing toward the LEO's.  They retreated, looks like a couple of times, before firing.  They were recorded telling him to stop and put down the knife.  The LEO's were not issued tasers.  Not sure, in my opinion, taser would have stopped him.

At least the idiot's father was calling for riots to stop.  It was not honoring their family.  I am calling the riots as they burned and looted several stores in their neighbor.