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[f6john]

"There’s no escaping who we Americans have become: This is the election’s meaning. We are stuck with one another, seeing no way out and no apparent way through, sinking deeper into a state of mutual incomprehension and loathing. The possible exits—gradual de-escalation, majority breakthrough, clean separation, civil war—are either unlikely or unthinkable. We have to live and govern ourselves together, but we still don’t know how. Winning in this state becomes a chimera. Whoever takes the presidency, all Americans will remain the losers."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/theres-no-escaping-who-we-have-become/616992/

I agree with the title and sub-title of the article.  The rest of it was partisan bullshit.

Interesting. I saw it as anti-partisan. For me, the gist of the article was "we don't understand each other". Nor do we seem to want to try. I admit to being just as guilty. I never imagined Trump would derive more support than he did in 2016. Obviously I was wrong. But, here we are. What do we do now ? We have got to figure out a way to be 1 nation again.

Focusing on your last sentence. Why was that not your sentiment for the last 4 years? How is it now, that we all just need to get along? I think maybe you need to go back and read your own input over the past 4 years. The only satisfaction I will get out of the outcome of this election is that all of us including you will have to live with the consequences.

I'm quite comfortable with the consequences vs. the consequences of 4 more years.

Well, as long as you’re  comfortable,,,,,, right.

[f6gal]

When have I ever said the Democrats are pristine and without fault?

You said, "What would you have liked him to excoriate the Democrats about?" This implied that there was nothing to excoriate Democrats about.

Each side views the other as the enemy.  Each side of these warring factions has a different set of "facts". Each warring faction doesn't even want to understand the other faction

I do believe many value "MAGA" over democracy. As to if it's hundreds, thousands, or 10's of millions, I don't know. (And probably don't want to know).

 
These statements are rather ironic.  Don't your arguments make you guilty of your exact complaint?  If someone disagrees with your position, you say they don't believe in democracy.  Your author stated "Tens of millions" (virtually all Trump voters).  I guarantee that almost every person that voted for Trump (or Biden) believes in democracy.  Your author excoriated Trump supporters far more than he did Trump.  

We have got to find a way to not be enemies!

You say this while denigrating those with whom you disagree.  So, finding a way "to not be enemies" is for us all to agree with you?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

When have I ever said the Democrats are pristine and without fault?

You said, "What would you have liked him to excoriate the Democrats about?" This implied that there was nothing to excoriate Democrats about.

Each side views the other as the enemy.  Each side of these warring factions has a different set of "facts". Each warring faction doesn't even want to understand the other faction

I do believe many value "MAGA" over democracy. As to if it's hundreds, thousands, or 10's of millions, I don't know. (And probably don't want to know).

 
These statements are rather ironic.  Don't your arguments make you guilty of your exact complaint?  If someone disagrees with your position, you say they don't believe in democracy.  Your author stated "Tens of millions" (virtually all Trump voters).  I guarantee that almost every person that voted for Tump (and Biden) believes in democracy.  Your author excoriated Trump supporters far more than he did Trump.  

We have got to find a way to not be enemies!

You say this while denigrating those with whom you disagree.  So, finding a way "to not be enemies" is for us all to agree with you?  

I seldom imply anything. I have no problem saying what I think. I asked the question because you seemed pissed that he didn't say mean things about the left. I was curious what you would have liked him to say. Along with not saying anybody who disagrees with me doesn't believe in democracy, I also didn't say that he was my author. I'd never heard of the guy before. I have been thinking about how wrong I was about the amount of support Trump has. About how we seem to be living in parallel universes. When I came across the article, it struck a chord. I have no illusions that everyone is going to agree with me.

[Rams]

I have been thinking about how wrong I was about the amount of support Trump has. About how we seem to be living in parallel universes.

I'm not so sure about the amount of support President Trump has but, I am sure there were millions of votes against what the Dems are offering.   Call it lessor of evils if you wish.   I personally don't care for DJT but, he had us on a course was good for America and that made this Democrat vote every Conservative I could find on the ballot.   But, to be honest, voting for Conservatives or the most Conservative candidates I can find is what I do.

We may not be in parallel universes but, we definitely see the world in different ways.   

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have been thinking about how wrong I was about the amount of support Trump has. About how we seem to be living in parallel universes.

I'm not so sure about the amount of support President Trump has but, I am sure there were millions of votes against what the Dems are offering.   Call it lessor of evils if you wish.   I personally don't care for DJT but, he had us on a course was good for America and that made this Democrat vote every Conservative I could find on the ballot.   But, to be honest, voting for Conservatives or the most Conservative candidates I can find is what I do.

We may not be in parallel universes but, we definitely see the world in different ways.   

Rams

naw, I'm pretty sure we are in parallel universes. 

[f6gal]

When have I ever said the Democrats are pristine and without fault?

You said, "What would you have liked him to excoriate the Democrats about?" This implied that there was nothing to excoriate Democrats about.

Each side views the other as the enemy.  Each side of these warring factions has a different set of "facts". Each warring faction doesn't even want to understand the other faction

I do believe many value "MAGA" over democracy. As to if it's hundreds, thousands, or 10's of millions, I don't know. (And probably don't want to know).

 
These statements are rather ironic.  Don't your arguments make you guilty of your exact complaint?  If someone disagrees with your position, you say they don't believe in democracy.  Your author stated "Tens of millions" (virtually all Trump voters).  I guarantee that almost every person that voted for Tump (and Biden) believes in democracy.  Your author excoriated Trump supporters far more than he did Trump.  

We have got to find a way to not be enemies!

You say this while denigrating those with whom you disagree.  So, finding a way "to not be enemies" is for us all to agree with you?  

I seldom imply anything. I have no problem saying what I think. I asked the question because you seemed pissed that he didn't say mean things about the left. I was curious what you would have liked him to say. Along with not saying anybody who disagrees with me doesn't believe in democracy, I also didn't say that he was my author. I'd never heard of the guy before. I have been thinking about how wrong I was about the amount of support Trump has. About how we seem to be living in parallel universes. When I came across the article, it struck a chord. I have no illusions that everyone is going to agree with me.

I referred to your author as in the author of the article you referenced (I didn't want to type that out every time).  I wasn't pissed at all.  I just found it very, very partisan.  If the author was trying to be unbiased, he did not need to attack Trump supporters so viciously (I know, I know, you can't see that).  You say you want the two sides to try to understand each other, but have you tried to do that?  Some people supported Trump as the lesser of two evils (more so in 2016 that in 2020).  This is a post from a democrat friend of mine.

"The choices were a poop-Taco or a poop-Sandwich with some communism sprinkled on top.  poop-Taco wins."  (with photo of her Trump vote).  

Edit:  She didn't actually say poop, it was the other word for poop.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I've been thinking about it a lot. For many years. Most of my family and friends are Trump supporters. It's not something I can just ignore. I don't think the author was trying to be unbiased. I think he was extrapolating about where we go from here. (I won't go into what kind of poop some voted for)

[Willow]

...  I guarantee that almost every person that voted for Trump (or Biden) believes in democracy.  ...  

It was a proper place to use the term almost.  I don't believe in democracy as applied.  I believe democracy is generally a good idea but in our case has been misapplied.  Some of the founding fathers wanted voting to be limited to landowners.  I don't believe that in today's world that would be the correct criteria but it would be better if some qualification existed for the voting right.  What has happened over the years, and especially with the inclusion of electronically powered media, the campaign and election process has largely become a popularity contest rather than a decision based upon values and directions.

Democracy in the Roman empire failed because politicians had taken up the practice of buying the votes of the poor.  Either not much has changed or we have found ourselves on a similar place on the circle.

[Bighead]

"There’s no escaping who we Americans have become: This is the election’s meaning. We are stuck with one another, seeing no way out and no apparent way through, sinking deeper into a state of mutual incomprehension and loathing. The possible exits—gradual de-escalation, majority breakthrough, clean separation, civil war—are either unlikely or unthinkable. We have to live and govern ourselves together, but we still don’t know how. Winning in this state becomes a chimera. Whoever takes the presidency, all Americans will remain the losers."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/theres-no-escaping-who-we-have-become/616992/

I agree with the title and sub-title of the article.  The rest of it was partisan bullshit.

Interesting. I saw it as anti-partisan. For me, the gist of the article was "we don't understand each other". Nor do we seem to want to try. I admit to being just as guilty. I never imagined Trump would derive more support than he did in 2016. Obviously I was wrong. But, here we are. What do we do now ? We have got to figure out a way to be 1 nation again.

Focusing on your last sentence. Why was that not your sentiment for the last 4 years? How is it now, that we all just need to get along? I think maybe you need to go back and read your own input over the past 4 years. The only satisfaction I will get out of the outcome of this election is that all of us including you will have to live with the consequences.

I'm quite comfortable with the consequences vs. the consequences of 4 more years.

?????????? Really ??????????

[Serk]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

[The emperor has no clothes]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

[Serk]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

Even if we're keeping "your side" from being able to form the communist utopia you wish, and your side is keeping "my side" from being able to form the liberty minded utopia we want? How long must we keep fighting until we realize that, we've had a good run, but it just ain't working out any longer?

[The emperor has no clothes]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

Even if we're keeping "your side" from being able to form the communist utopia you wish, and your side is keeping "my side" from being able to form the liberty minded utopia we want? How long must we keep fighting until we realize that, we've had a good run, but it just ain't working out any longer?

You know, I really thought we knew each other better than to be accusing me of communism. 

[Serk]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

Even if we're keeping "your side" from being able to form the communist utopia you wish, and your side is keeping "my side" from being able to form the liberty minded utopia we want? How long must we keep fighting until we realize that, we've had a good run, but it just ain't working out any longer?

You know, I really thought we knew each other better than to be accusing me of communism. 

Sorry friend, but when the front runner on "your side" is quoting Marx, what else can it be called?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4kowE_YIVw

That is PURE Marxist communism, what else should it be called?

But back to the point at hand.... If "we" are holding your side back from wherever you wanna be, and you're holding "us" back from going to where we wanna go, what compromise can be found?

We're beyond compromise. We just need to discuss a calm, rational, sober split.

The left and right no longer want to go to the same place, via different paths. We want to go to very different places now. I don't want a civil war, but when 49% of the population want to go one place, and 49% want to go in a diametrically different direction, there's no other option. 

It doesn't need to be ugly, it doesn't need to be hateful or violent. We just need to accept we want to go in different directions and work out how best to peacefully split so we can both be happy.

[f6gal]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

Even if we're keeping "your side" from being able to form the communist utopia you wish, and your side is keeping "my side" from being able to form the liberty minded utopia we want? How long must we keep fighting until we realize that, we've had a good run, but it just ain't working out any longer?

You know, I really thought we knew each other better than to be accusing me of communism. 

Sorry friend, but when the front runner on "your side" is quoting Marx, what else can it be called?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4kowE_YIVw

That is PURE Marxist communism, what else should it be called?

But back to the point at hand.... If "we" are holding your side back from wherever you wanna be, and you're holding "us" back from going to where we wanna go, what compromise can be found?

We're beyond compromise. We just need to discuss a calm, rational, sober split.

The left and right no longer want to go to the same place, via different paths. We want to go to very different places now. I don't want a civil war, but when 49% of the population want to go one place, and 49% want to go in a diametrically different direction, there's no other option. 

It doesn't need to be ugly, it doesn't need to be hateful or violent. We just need to accept we want to go in different directions and work out how best to peacefully split so we can both be happy.

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

[Serk]

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

That could be worked out in a sober, calm divorce discussion, but maybe an interstate wide corridor between the coasts?

But seriously, there are many MANY big problems with a divorce, I wish it wouldn't come to that, but the more we're tearing each other apart in a bad relationship, the more it makes sense to sit down and find a peaceful solution for a separation.....

[f6gal]

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

That could be worked out in a sober, calm divorce discussion, but maybe an interstate wide corridor between the coasts?

But seriously, there are many MANY big problems with a divorce, I wish it wouldn't come to that, but the more we're tearing each other apart in a bad relationship, the more it makes sense to sit down and find a peaceful solution for a separation.....

Another problem (again geographical) is that within many states, the big urban cities are blue, while the rest of the state is mostly red.  I'm not sure how that could be resolved. 

[Serk]

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

That could be worked out in a sober, calm divorce discussion, but maybe an interstate wide corridor between the coasts?

But seriously, there are many MANY big problems with a divorce, I wish it wouldn't come to that, but the more we're tearing each other apart in a bad relationship, the more it makes sense to sit down and find a peaceful solution for a separation.....

Another problem (again geographical) is that within many states, the big urban cities are blue, while the rest of the state is mostly red.  I'm not sure how that could be resolved. 

Fair enough, but that's in general true across the board, in the urban areas they're used to being dependent on each other, whereas in the rural areas they're used to more independence.....

My point is that where we are now, and the trajectory we're on, is just causing more animosity, hatred and violence..... Shouldn't we at least try sitting down and having a calm discussion on how best to have an amicable divorce before things go 1776 or 1861?

[f6gal]

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

That could be worked out in a sober, calm divorce discussion, but maybe an interstate wide corridor between the coasts?

But seriously, there are many MANY big problems with a divorce, I wish it wouldn't come to that, but the more we're tearing each other apart in a bad relationship, the more it makes sense to sit down and find a peaceful solution for a separation.....

Another problem (again geographical) is that within many states, the big urban cities are blue, while the rest of the state is mostly red.  I'm not sure how that could be resolved.  

Fair enough, but that's in general true across the board, in the urban areas they're used to being dependent on each other, whereas in the rural areas they're used to more independence.....

My point is that where we are now, and the trajectory we're on, is just causing more animosity, hatred and violence..... Shouldn't we at least try sitting down and having a calm discussion on how best to have an amicable divorce before things go 1776 or 1861?

Oh, I'm not necessarily against the idea.  I can't just envision how to overcome the geographical problems.  Most people couldn't just pick up and move.  

[Valkorado]

Biden says voters have "given us a mandate for action" on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, climate change, systemic racism.

He had best remember about half of the voters (maybe more if ya only count the legal ones) gave him no such mandate.  If he "wins", God forbid, so much for him being every Americans' President -- even those who didn't vote for him.

[Serk]

The biggest challenge to a "divorce" would be geography.  With blue states being so far separated, how would that work?

That could be worked out in a sober, calm divorce discussion, but maybe an interstate wide corridor between the coasts?

But seriously, there are many MANY big problems with a divorce, I wish it wouldn't come to that, but the more we're tearing each other apart in a bad relationship, the more it makes sense to sit down and find a peaceful solution for a separation.....

Another problem (again geographical) is that within many states, the big urban cities are blue, while the rest of the state is mostly red.  I'm not sure how that could be resolved.  

Fair enough, but that's in general true across the board, in the urban areas they're used to being dependent on each other, whereas in the rural areas they're used to more independence.....

My point is that where we are now, and the trajectory we're on, is just causing more animosity, hatred and violence..... Shouldn't we at least try sitting down and having a calm discussion on how best to have an amicable divorce before things go 1776 or 1861?

Oh, I'm not necessarily against the idea.  I can't just envision how to overcome the geographical problems.  Most people couldn't just pick up and move.  

My thought is, after we've had a calm discussion on the split, give it a 5 or even 10 year time horizon to give folks to time settle up and be where they need to be......

[Jess from VA]

Biden says voters have "given us a mandate for action" on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, climate change, systemic racism.

He had best remember about half of the voters (maybe more if ya only count the legal ones) gave him no such mandate.  If he "wins", God forbid, so much for him being every Americans' President -- even those who didn't vote for him.

That's the exact same horseshit line used by our VA governor, after he and his majority squeaked in under the wire last election.  Mandate my ass.  Their only mandate was the huge IOUs owed for Bloomberg's money.

Mandate = LIE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

I know secession has always seemed romantic for you. It's just not viable. Like it or not, we are stuck with each other.

Even if we're keeping "your side" from being able to form the communist utopia you wish, and your side is keeping "my side" from being able to form the liberty minded utopia we want? How long must we keep fighting until we realize that, we've had a good run, but it just ain't working out any longer?

You know, I really thought we knew each other better than to be accusing me of communism.  

Sorry friend, but when the front runner on "your side" is quoting Marx, what else can it be called?

When the front runner on your side declares himself the winner, and actively asserts to disregard the Constitution by stopping the counting of votes, it's a little rich to be casting aspersions. But hey, whatever makes you feel better.

Per ABC ;

Trump told reporters at the White House in September it's better to have a justice before the election "because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling -- it's a scam -- the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court."

"I think having a 4-4 situation is not a good situation, if you get that. I don't know that you'd get that. I think it should be 8-0 or 9-0, but just in case it would be more political than it should be, I think it's very important to have a ninth justice," Trump said at the time.

MORE: What to expect if these battleground states are ordered to recount votes
The lead lawyer for the Biden campaign Wednesday laughed off the idea that Trump would be able to get the Supreme Court to stop the counting of ballots.

"If at some point he arrives before the Supreme Court with a novel proposition that ballots that were lawfully cast by eligible voters but not get counted by the time Donald Trump wanted them counted, that somehow they don't count anymore, he will be in for one of the most embarrassing defeats a president ever suffered before the highest court of the land," Bob Bauer said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Biden says voters have "given us a mandate for action" on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, climate change, systemic racism.

He had best remember about half of the voters (maybe more if ya only count the legal ones) gave him no such mandate.  If he "wins", God forbid, so much for him being every Americans' President -- even those who didn't vote for him.

He's going to end up 6-7 million votes ahead of Trump. I'd say that's a hell of a lot bigger mandate than losing by 3 million to Hillary Clinton.

[Jess from VA]

Biden says voters have "given us a mandate for action" on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, climate change, systemic racism.

He had best remember about half of the voters (maybe more if ya only count the legal ones) gave him no such mandate.  If he "wins", God forbid, so much for him being every Americans' President -- even those who didn't vote for him.

He's going to end up 6-7 million votes ahead of Trump. I'd say that's a hell of a lot bigger mandate than losing by 3 million to Hillary Clinton.

That's still no mandate.

You want a mandate, ask how many on here value your political views. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Biden says voters have "given us a mandate for action" on the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, climate change, systemic racism.

He had best remember about half of the voters (maybe more if ya only count the legal ones) gave him no such mandate.  If he "wins", God forbid, so much for him being every Americans' President -- even those who didn't vote for him.

He's going to end up 6-7 million votes ahead of Trump. I'd say that's a hell of a lot bigger mandate than losing by 3 million to Hillary Clinton.

That's still no mandate.

You want a mandate, ask how many on here value your political views. 

1.5

[h13man]

Ever since the introduction of the "smartphone", we lost, period. It's our best friend as our whole world of thought  is on it every minute of the day. Look around there's nowhere safe from the usage of these damn devices walking, driving, even in my home when family visits. I don't own one and probably never will until my flipper wears out. It sickens me to see people of age like myself addicted to these damn things which suggests to me high tech is definitely in charge of their lives and the country as whole and both "parties" are so happy though some preach otherwise. They have assumed total control and we sit here bitch fight everyday as the snakes slither by. The most fortunate thing for me is they move so slowly with their "goals" I will be looking down (hopefully) when the rest are interned in their "free" world. This will be my last and only rant of the current situation regardless where our country's path will leads us.

God Bless America.

[Rams]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

That couldn't and wouldn't work.   Regardless of how amicable that separation might appear, if drawn strictly by district lines, that would leave larger population centers in most of the country isolated by large areas of rural acreage of an opposing side (generally speaking).   If new boundaries were drawn as in red versus blue state, the same situation is present.  

Generally, the blue states need the red states more than the red need the blue.   Energy and food production is mostly in red states.   There are exceptions but, the fact is, most blue political populations centers can't survive without the surrounding red areas.   There are exceptions but, imagine Philadelphia as a stand alone civic state.   It simply can't support itself or it's liberal population.

Such a separation would ultimately lead to attempts to secure the assets of the producing areas to help sustain the non-producing areas.   Large populations starving for food and energy would IMHO, lead to civil unrest, thus resulting in violence comparable to our civil war.  

Some would say that California could support and survive on it's own.   That's a big maybe.   While they do currently produce a lot of agricultural products, if a red state were to cut off CA's water supply, that food production would dry up.   CA could also be forced to change some of it's energy policies if the entire state was cut off from other energy sources.

President Elect Biden needs to walk a tight rope to pull this country back together.   Should he fail, it will not end well.   Should he die in office and we get a President Harris with a left leaning agenda as she has pursued as a Senator, this will not end well.

The smartest thing the Dems could do is to replace current left leaning leadership with more moderates and fire Pelosi and Schumer.   We'll have to see just how much power and influence the new left has.

EDITED:  BTW, they will attempted to make gun ownership and ammunition an issue.   Gun and ammunition sales are expected to go through the roof so, react accordingly.

Rams

[f6gal]

...so are we ready to have that peaceful discussion about an amicable divorce as the only way to avoid violence yet, or no?

That couldn't and wouldn't work.   Regardless of how amicable that separation might appear, if drawn strictly by district lines, that would leave larger population centers in most of the country isolated by large areas of rural acreage of an opposing side (generally speaking).   If new boundaries were drawn as in red versus blue state, the same situation is present.   

Generally, the blue states need the red states more than the red need the blue.   Energy and food production is mostly in blue states.   There are exceptions but, the fact is, most blue political populations centers can't survive without the surrounding red areas.   There are exceptions but, imagine Philadelphia as a stand alone civic state.   It simply can't support itself or it's liberal population.

Such a separation would ultimately lead to attempts to secure the assets of the producing areas to help sustain the non-producing areas.   Large populations starving for food and energy would IMHO, lead to civil unrest, thus resulting in violence comparable to our civil war.   

Some would say that California could support and survive on it's own.   That's a big maybe.   While they do currently produce a lot of agricultural products, if a blue state were to cut off CA's water supply, that food production would dry up.   CA could also be forced to change some of it's energy policies if the entire state was cut off from other energy sources.

President Elect Biden needs to walk a tight rope to pull this country back together.   Should he fail, it will not end well.   Should he die in office and we get a President Harris with a left leaning agenda as she has pursued as a Senator, this will not end well.

The smartest thing the Dems could do is to replace current left leaning leadership with more moderates and fire Pelosi and Schumer.   We'll have to see just how much power and influence the new left has.

Rams

I think you said blue in a couple of places where you meant red.  The senate remains red (for now) and can put a check on any extreme agenda changes.  Of course that could change in January when Georgia holds its run-off elections.  There is going to be huge money thrown at those races, but hopefully no cheating.

[Rams]

Oops, thanks for catching that.

That's what I get for watching a movie while I type.    
BTW, the movie is still on so, if I didn't catch all the errors, I still think I made my point.
Thanks again.   

Rams

[f6gal]

Oops, thanks for catching that.

That's what I get for watching a movie while I type.    
BTW, the movie is still on so, if I didn't catch all the errors, I still think I made my point.
Thanks again.   

Rams

What movie?  (There's still one more in the CA paragraph).

[Rams]

Oops, thanks for catching that.

That's what I get for watching a movie while I type.    
BTW, the movie is still on so, if I didn't catch all the errors, I still think I made my point.
Thanks again.  

Rams

What movie?  (There's still one more in the CA paragraph).

Knock Knock with Keanu Reeves, a couple of cuties and a really cool french pug.  

Connie, you can proof read my posts anytime.  

Question, do you agree with my post now that's it's been corrected?

Rams

[f6gal]

Oops, thanks for catching that.

That's what I get for watching a movie while I type.    
BTW, the movie is still on so, if I didn't catch all the errors, I still think I made my point.
Thanks again.  

Rams

What movie?  (There's still one more in the CA paragraph).

Knock Knock with Keanu Reeves, a couple of cuties and a really cool french pug.  

Connie, you can proof read my posts anytime.  

Question, do you agree with my post now that's it's been corrected?

Rams

Yes, I agree for the most part.  As far as the gun control issue, I'm hoping for Republican wins in the GA run-offs... that should hold off any extreme gun-grabbing efforts and SCOTUS changes.  If GA goes blue, 2A is in grave danger.  We won't even be able to count on SCOTUS protection, since Schumer has promised to expand the court and pack it with activist judges.  And, as we know, Biden did not say he would veto that.  

[Serk]

I'm facing a bit of a quandary..... About to order my traditional "Impeach <Insert name of Democratic President Here>" bumper stickers, wondering if I should bother with "Impeach Biden" or if they'd even get here by the time I needed to replace them with "Impeach Harris" ones.....

Hmmm.....

[Moonshot_1]

Time to start an investigation into Harris's Russian dealings. Claims from anonymous sources abound. $34 million to campaign from Russia. Maybe audio of her asking Russia for help with Media ads.
Anonymous sources so it must be true. Also rumor of her being a Jamaican Drug kingpin. On video stating knowledge about such things. Again, unnamed sources. She must prove her innocence.

Let's just demand her impeachment now.

Let the 2024 games begin.

Gonna be fun.

[Moonshot_1]

I'm facing a bit of a quandary..... About to order my traditional "Impeach <Insert name of Democratic President Here>" bumper stickers, wondering if I should bother with "Impeach Biden" or if they'd even get here by the time I needed to replace them with "Impeach Harris" ones.....

Hmmm.....

Holy crap! Are we  on the page or what? 3 min. behind you with the same general thought!

[Jess from VA]

My feeling are, with Harris in line, we find ourselves hoping Joe can hold on to the office (if rightfully elected).  I mean, he may just be a rubber stamp for everything they want, but she's worse than he is.  

[f6gal]

I'm facing a bit of a quandary..... About to order my traditional "Impeach <Insert name of Democratic President Here>" bumper stickers, wondering if I should bother with "Impeach Biden" or if they'd even get here by the time I needed to replace them with "Impeach Harris" ones.....

Hmmm.....

Just a suggestion:

[Jess from VA]

I'd like to understand the magic shuffle in a D controlled House, to impeach any D.

Tell them it's Trump again, then switch the paperwork when they aren't looking?

That could work.  Or not.     

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'd like to understand the magic shuffle in a D controlled House, to impeach any D.

Tell them it's Trump again, then switch the paperwork when they aren't looking?

That could work.  Or not.     

Stands about as much chance as Trump's voter fraud court cases.