The Mind of a Liberal

[Tarkus]

As I read through many of the topics posted here regarding the election, I perceive a rising level of tension between two camps. There are those among us who are outraged at this well planned and orchestrated execution of fraud on the American people. We see a blatant and brazen attempt by the democrats to subvert the legitimacy of our election...with the intent to tear down the system created by the genius of our founding fathers and turn it into something unrecognizable. Then we have those in the camp who seem to be all giddy over this prospect. I don't understand this. Since its founding, people from all over the world have wanted to move here to escape the kind of corruption and despotism we may have to endure if the democrats succeed. 

Help me understand. Up until the lockdown we experienced one of the most prosperous periods in history under Trump. Then a virus with more than a 99% survival rate is used as a global wide excuse to impose draconian rules to crash the economy under the guise of "flattening the curve". In blue states and cities the governors and mayors give a nod and a wink to BLM and Antifa as they pillage and burn. Then on top of that they release criminals back onto the streets while prosecuting law abiding citizens for exercising their second amendment right to defend themselves and their own homes. Under a second Trump administration we have the prospect of returning to law and order and the prosperity his policies created. This, verses a Biden administration where we have a senile president who is nothing but a place holder for Harris to step in and replace him. Under that scenario our jobs go back to China, the cost of energy skyrockets, we lose our private health insurance and are forced to see government paid doctors under medicare for all. We would be under the thumb of a corrupt regime that will use any means necessary to trash the constitution in order to secure indefinite power. 

So to all you liberals out there. Please explain the appeal of a Biden/Harris administration. How do you expect to benefit from a President Biden who is clearly in cognitive decline?  What is it that you see in Kamala Harris, one of the most radical left senators in congress, who will eventually take over for him?  The one thing we have in common here is that we all love to ride. But that requires gasoline. What happens to our ability to enjoy this common passion we have when they end fracking and implement the Green New Deal. What is it that appeals to you about gas prices returning to or even exceeding what they were under Obama? I am truly perplexed as to why anyone would want any part of that.

Please help me understand. What is it you look forward to under that scenario vs four more years of prosperity? And please don't respond with disparaging comments. That is counter productive. I'm genuinely trying to understand the logic. Thanks

[carolinarider09]

Quote From Tarkus

As I read through many of the topics posted here regarding the election, I perceive a rising level of tension between two camps. There are those among us who are outraged at this well planned and orchestrated execution of fraud on the American people. We see a blatant and brazen attempt by the democrats to subvert the legitimacy of our election...with the intent to tear down the system created by the genius of our founding fathers and turn it into something unrecognizable. Then we have those in the camp who seem to be all giddy over this prospect. I don't understand this. Since its founding, people from all over the world have wanted to move here to escape the kind of corruption and despotism we may have to endure if the democrats succeed. 

Very well stated.  I too have been hard pressed to understand. 

I also find it so very interesting about all the people that want to move here from other countries because of our freedoms and once they get here it seems that want to keep the their old ways and actually change ours.

We see the same thing as people "escape" places like  Commiefornia for other states brining along the same thoughts and wishes that they left that state for. 

[Bret SD]

Quote From Tarkus

As I read through many of the topics posted here regarding the election, I perceive a rising level of tension between two camps. There are those among us who are outraged at this well planned and orchestrated execution of fraud on the American people. We see a blatant and brazen attempt by the democrats to subvert the legitimacy of our election...with the intent to tear down the system created by the genius of our founding fathers and turn it into something unrecognizable. Then we have those in the camp who seem to be all giddy over this prospect. I don't understand this. Since its founding, people from all over the world have wanted to move here to escape the kind of corruption and despotism we may have to endure if the democrats succeed.  

Very well stated.  I too have been hard pressed to understand.  

I also find it so very interesting about all the people that want to move here from other countries because of our freedoms and once they get here it seems that want to keep the their old ways and actually change ours.

We see the same thing as people "escape" places like  Commiefornia for other states brining along the same thoughts and wishes that they left that state for.  

As usual, no meat from the lefties..

They just won't say why 13.00 gas is good, or tax raises are good, or that open borders are good, or eliminating oil is good, or mass immigration with free everything is good, why free medical care for all 'immigrants' is good, or why defunding the police is good, or why shipping our jobs and industry to China is good, or why socialism is good, or why packing the SC is good, or why a national mask 'mandate' is good, or why disarming the citizenry is good.. this list is far from complete.

They just deny, deflect and don't offer any rationale as to how and why the ideology they promote is good. Or how it would work for all of us.

What they likely want is the Ca model for the nation, where they have complete control of government and can dictate to the people on a whim.

[The emperor has no clothes]

This might be one of the most disingenuous posts I've ever seen on here. 

That doesn't help.  This is the kind of response I would expect from someone who lacks the reasoning ability to explain themselves.  I asked that there be no disparaging comments.  I'm trying to initiate an honest intellectual dialogue. There is nothing disingenuous about that.  

Disparaging ? Lacks the reasoning ? Nothing disingenuous ?   

[Bighead]

Again no answer

[Moonshot_1]

Pondering some thoughts over the last few days. One of them..voter suppression.

The last 5 years we have seen Trump supporters attacked, we have seen the left destroy cites, burn businesses, assailed non stop in the press and in the streets.

For all the liberals, this is the side you've chosen. And while you may say you oppose such things and actions, remember, you are siding with the political class that paid their bail. Literally.

Where do you think this path leads?

[3W-lonerider]

i had a very good friend a long time ago. that was for socialism and communism. one day i asked him how he could support such people. his response was
everybody should be on the same level whether or not you produced anything to achieve that level.
second was communism is the next best thing to sliced bread. its just that the right person hasn't been in charge of it yet.
so i came away with the thought that every socialist leader and every communist leader so far has done it wrong and he was looking for the right person to do the job.

[old2soon]

          Saw some ""NEWS CLIPS'' from lame stream media sat evening and all those deez supporters dancin in the streets. Lets see if they Are Still dancin a year after the deez agenda is sworn in. RIDE SAFE.

[f6gal]

[The emperor has no clothes]

[f6gal]

I'm not sure I understand your meme.  But here ya go... https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/socialism

[f6gal]

I'm not sure I understand your meme.  But here ya go... https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/socialism

P.S.  Money from the government is from American citizens, not the government.

[..]

I'm not sure I understand your meme.  But here ya go... https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/socialism

P.S.  Money from the government is from American citizens, not the government.

Difficult for many to grasp that concept.

[old2soon]

I'm not sure I understand your meme.  But here ya go... https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/socialism

P.S.  Money from the government is from American citizens, not the government.

              The why of increased taxes and 15 a gal gasoline. those illegals gonna want food phones housing and cars. and if the gubmint don't supply those things-well use yer magination. RIDE SAFE.

[Moonshot_1]

Shoot, that's easy. Theft.

I suppose you need a new word for bank robbery too?

[Tarkus]

This might be one of the most disingenuous posts I've ever seen on here. 

That doesn't help.  This is the kind of response I would expect from someone who lacks the reasoning ability to explain themselves.  I asked that there be no disparaging comments.  I'm trying to initiate an honest intellectual dialogue. There is nothing disingenuous about that.  

Tarkus, I like your posts and reasoning, plenty.  But with 30 odd posts you are a bit new.  Take it from a long term member, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever in addressing, responding or engaging any pro Biden (orange man bad) people on here.  None. 

But every good man should do what he wants. 

Okay, well...this is not resulting in the outcome I had hoped for. No constructive dialogue. Just more bickering. C'mon man!!

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

 

[carolinarider09]

I was interested in the term "Shut up and obey" thinking it might have some "history" (like 50 or 80 years ago)..  So, I did a DuckDuckGo search and was amazed at the number of hits that are really recent as to its usage.

You readers should try it, just to see.  But use https://duckduckgo.com as I am sure Goggle has it channeled somewhere specific for their needs

[Bret SD]

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

That's the way.. deny, act offended, attack credibility of the messenger.. and above all, never tell the truth about intentions. Snark and venom is the norm, while legitimate questions for discussion go unanswered.
Honestly, if a person were to stand up and say what they believe in and why, I'd respect them for it, even if I completely disagreed. The fact that not one point in my post or yours was answered speaks volumes about what people on the left think of US. We're not worthy of respect, just "Trump Chump Deplorables."
Hence the disconnect we have in this country, 'liberals' are gone, only leftists remain. Liberals had similar goals for our country with different ideas on how we get there.
Today we have a political party which hates America as founded, and seeks to 'burn it down'. They see US as an unjust, illegitimate country built on the backs of slaves. Ironically many of yesterdays deplorables died freeing the slaves from Democrats, the same party of the KKK and Jim Crow. Now dems have aligned themselves with the enemies of America and seek to cheat their way into absolute power.
The party of JFK is dead and gone, now it's the party of Xi and Maduro.. among others. If you support them, you're one of them, and they all support a failed parasitic, murderous ideology.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Okay, well...this is not resulting in the outcome I had hoped for. No constructive dialogue. Just more bickering. C'mon man!!

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

 

Tarkus, of course it didn't result in the outcome you had hoped. (I'm going to paraphrase here, because I don't want to have to quote each thought) You title your thread "the mind of a liberal", then you make many pronouncements about the liberal mind, with all of them being negative in nature. Then you ask for help in understanding the liberal mind.

You really didn't want to understand the "liberal mind" now did you ? Belittling responses ? Maybe some got deleted, but I don't see any.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

That's the way.. deny, act offended, attack credibility of the messenger.. and above all, never tell the truth about intentions. Snark and venom is the norm, while legitimate questions for discussion go unanswered.
Honestly, if a person were to stand up and say what they believe in and why, I'd respect them for it, even if I completely disagreed. The fact that not one point in my post or yours was answered speaks volumes about what people on the left think of US. We're not worthy of respect, just "Trump Chump Deplorables."
Hence the disconnect we have in this country, 'liberals' are gone, only leftists remain. Liberals had similar goals for our country with different ideas on how we get there.
Today we have a political party which hates America as founded, and seeks to 'burn it down'. They see US as an unjust, illegitimate country built on the backs of slaves. Ironically many of yesterdays deplorables died freeing the slaves from Democrats, the same party of the KKK and Jim Crow. Now dems have aligned themselves with the enemies of America and seek to cheat their way into absolute power.
The party of JFK is dead and gone, now it's the party of Xi and Maduro.. among others. If you support them, you're one of them, and they all support a failed parasitic, murderous ideology.

I've never seen anybody here use the term "Trump Chump Deplorables". There have been plenty who have "stood up and said what they believe".

[Jess from VA]

I guess you're right.

I think so.  (On here, I know so.)

When I consider arguing with a liberal, I just smack my own face instead.

Over time, negative reinforcement can work.   

[Bret SD]

I guess you're right.

I think so.  (On here, I know so.)

When I consider arguing with a liberal, I just smack my own face instead.

Over time, negative reinforcement can work.   

[Serk]

I guess you're right.

I think so.  (On here, I know so.)

When I consider arguing with a liberal, I just smack my own face instead.

Over time, negative reinforcement can work.   

This has been me SO MUCH lately.....

[The emperor has no clothes]

I guess you're right.

I think so.  (On here, I know so.)

When I consider arguing with a liberal, I just smack my own face instead.

Over time, negative reinforcement can work.   

This has been me SO MUCH lately.....

OMG, you are on fire tonight.

[Robert]

Well your question was answered and you got your first lesson. For the next thing you need to do is go to Seattle and question those rioting and see if you can understand them. The answers wont be any different just a little more violent.

But as it is consistent with the big tech companies and You Tube plus all the media outlets we can see that free speech, logic or caring about any other point of view is insanity to these people. So with all the examples why would you expect any difference?
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Our provider did not give CloutHub any warning or ask for approval prior to removing and censoring this content.

In recent years we have seen growing levels of censorship by big tech companies but we never expected this from IBM. CloutHub deeply regrets the frustration this development may have caused, and is determined to remedy the problem in the coming days. Despite this temporary setback, we remain fully committed to free speech, and are diligently working on resolving this matter, including considering other options that can be quickly integrated into our platform.

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This is a small example of what is at stake, this is the answer, along with the lack of fair and unbiased prosecution and upholding of laws in this country.

We can forget anyone defending us at the UN or putting the USA first in any negotiation going forward if Trump does not win. We may see rampant corruption in government, the sending of actual cash to other countries and so much more.

What is logical, fair and unbiased about any of this and able to explain this in a logical fair way. Its not, there isnt and that is why there is no discussion.

[Tarkus]

Okay, well...this is not resulting in the outcome I had hoped for. No constructive dialogue. Just more bickering. C'mon man!!

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

 

Tarkus, of course it didn't result in the outcome you had hoped. (I'm going to paraphrase here, because I don't want to have to quote each thought) You title your thread "the mind of a liberal", then you make many pronouncements about the liberal mind, with all of them being negative in nature. Then you ask for help in understanding the liberal mind.

You really didn't want to understand the "liberal mind" now did you ? Belittling responses ? Maybe some got deleted, but I don't see any.

You are correct. The responses appear to have been deleted. Twitter would probably allow them.

Now I'm off to somewhere private where I can slap myself in the face. Thanks for the advice Jess. 

[Bret SD]

Is this simple enough? 

[Valkorado]

∆∆∆

[Wizzard]

you can vote your way into socialism but you will have to shoot your way out. 

[f6gal]

Okay, well...this is not resulting in the outcome I had hoped for. No constructive dialogue. Just more bickering. C'mon man!!

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

 

Tarkus, of course it didn't result in the outcome you had hoped. (I'm going to paraphrase here, because I don't want to have to quote each thought) You title your thread "the mind of a liberal", then you make many pronouncements about the liberal mind, with all of them being negative in nature. Then you ask for help in understanding the liberal mind.

You really didn't want to understand the "liberal mind" now did you ? Belittling responses ? Maybe some got deleted, but I don't see any.

That's pretty much the same point I was making about the article you posted.  Maybe you can understand what I was saying, if you put it in this context. 

[Jess from VA]

[Serk]

[f6gal]

Sold out, sold out, back-ordered, etc, etc.

[Serk]

Sold out, sold out, back-ordered, etc, etc.

Yeah, if you're starting now, it's too late...

[carolinarider09]

Would one of these be of some assistance?

https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-095100-Lock-N-Load-Auto-Progressive-Reloading/dp/B000PD01NS/ref=sr_1_26?crid=1BGNDCFESW7NB&dchild=1&keywords=hornady+reloading+equipment&qid=1604959106&sprefix=horna%2Caps%2C175&sr=8-26

[Serk]

Would one of these be of some assistance?

https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-095100-Lock-N-Load-Auto-Progressive-Reloading/dp/B000PD01NS/ref=sr_1_26?crid=1BGNDCFESW7NB&dchild=1&keywords=hornady+reloading+equipment&qid=1604959106&sprefix=horna%2Caps%2C175&sr=8-26

Not unless you've already stockpiled components (Brass, primers (Especially primers!), powders, bullets, etc...)

(Which I may be good on... )

[f6gal]

Sold out, sold out, back-ordered, etc, etc.

Yeah, if you're starting now, it's too late...

Well, you know better than that.  Always need more though.

[Wizzard]

however much respect the liberals showed for Trump that is how much I will show for Biden. Funny how that works. For 4 years we have watched them say "not my president" and try and defy the election and now they wonder why the opposite side is defying the election. Touche

[scooperhsd]

Well Biden is "not my President" yet and certainly will never be in my heart as long as the rest of the Democrats are trying to drag us to socialism.

[Serk]

If the courts find the election was clean and legitimately decided for the Democrats, and if former vice-president Biden is duly sworn in on January 20th, 2021, then like it or not, he will be my president.

I'll fight him every step of the way if he tries to implement the radical communist agenda he's been pushing but, sadly, he will be my president.