Ivermectin prevents Cov-19 infection but they want to vaccinate instead..WHY??

[98valk]

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/doctor-pleads-for-review-of-data-on-ivermectin-as-covid-19-treatment-during-senate-hearing

Ivermectin is an approved anti-parasitic drug known to be effective against a variety of viruses like influenza, dengue, and Zika.

Dr. Pierre Kory, a pulmonary and critical care specialist, passionately testified Tuesday before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs during a hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution."

In his testimony, Kory said data shows the ability of ivermectin to prevent COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep those with early symptoms from progressing to the hyper-inflammatory phase of the disease, and to help critically ill patients recover.

"People are dying at unacceptable and untold rates," Kory told the Senate panel. "I am a lung and ICU specialist, and all I do right now is take care of COVID-19 patients dying of breathlessness in ICUs. By the time they get to the ICU, it is nearly impossible to save most patients. They simply cannot breathe."

Kory is also president of the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance, a nonprofit made up of critical care experts and researchers from around the world. The organization was formed in March at the onset of the pandemic and has been “working tirelessly reviewing the world’s literature on almost every aspect of this disease,” Kory said.

He called upon the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to review the latest medical research on the drug as a COVID-19 treatment.

Kory called a lack of governmental guidance and research on effective early, preventive treatment “unconscionable” amid overwhelmed ICUs. Kory added that he believes ivermectin and a forthcoming coronavirus vaccine are “complimentary” in working to end the pandemic.

The NIH in August recommended that ivermectin only be used in clinical trials amid a lack of studies at the time. But Kory testified that much of the data reporting efficacy of ivermectin in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19 has been published since that time.

The FLCCC Alliance has compiled a manuscript detailing results from more than 20 studies on the subject, with more than 10 of them being randomized controlled trials.

One study published on Dec. 2 in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases found that a five-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating mild COVID-19 adult patients. The trial involved 72 hospitalized patients in Bangladesh, and researchers said larger trials are needed to confirm the preliminary findings.

Another large study, published in November as a preprint, found the addition of ivermectin to standard care to be a “very effective drug for treatment of COVID-19 patients with significant reduction in mortality compared to hydroxychloroquine plus standard treatment only.”

While many medications continue to be studied and tested, the FDA has approved only one antiviral drug called remdesivir to treat COVID-19 in adults and children ages 12 and older.

“We need to implore our government and leaders to revise their recommendations. It’s over three months old. They need to update it now,” Kory said.

[hubcapsc]

Pfizer vaccine prevents covid-19 but some guy wants to use head lice medicine instead.. WHY?

-Mike

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More here


https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html

[Serk]

98valk - You seem like a sincere, nice guy. I really try to be friendly and nice and respectful to all here but please... stop... just stop.....

[98valk]

98valk - You seem like a sincere, nice guy. I really try to be friendly and nice and respectful to all here but please... stop... just stop.....

Stop What?   posting a report on a Senate hearing that happen the other day? Did u read any of the article? did u listen to the doctor? did u read the studies?
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v1

[f6gal]

Your subject line says prevents, not true.  Dr. Kory says ivermectin is successful in TREATING early C-19.  And, perhaps you missed this line: he believes ivermectin and a forthcoming coronavirus vaccine are “complimentary” in working to end the pandemic.  He did not disavow preventative vaccinations, as you implied. 

[Valkorado]

Interesting, but the documented studies so far are in vitro (laboratory) experiments that have been performed on cells.
The recent Bangladesh results, if actual, do seem promising.

Still, it is a potential therapeutic and not a preventative treatment.  I'd rather avoid the pothole than have to get my wheel replaced after nailing it.

[semo97]

I started using  Ivermectin 50 years ago as a cattle wormer, and put ivermectin cattle ear tags on dog collars to keep the ticks and fleas off, and tied them in our horses manes for the same reason. There is some form of ivermectin being used as a cancer treatment. I know a 40 year old that got cancer and went through all type of treatment to no avail. He started a treatment of ivermectin and has been in remission for 18 months. My sons neighbor is on it now for cancer. There is some uses for it. It could be that it would work but a drug company could not make millions upon millions using something old already developed. Do the research folks think out of the box or just stay in it?

[hubcapsc]

Do the research folks think out of the box or just stay in it?

"In" for me, please. Google research about stuff other than how to
fix the washing machine leaves me cold.

-Mike

[Bret SD]

98valk - You seem like a sincere, nice guy. I really try to be friendly and nice and respectful to all here but please... stop... just stop.....

Serk,
I'm curious..  what exactly do you want him to stop? Alternatives to a CV-19 vaccine strategy?

Blue collar logic:
I haven't run numbers on any of this and it's purely a gut instinct call on my part. When looking at mortality statistics from covid by age group it appears the oldest group is most at risk. Younger people have nearly zero chance of dying from this bug, all the way up into 60s age group. If you ran the numbers of the population most at risk I would say it's a small fraction of the 330 million people that populate our country.
My guess is that risk of death overall from this thing is very small and nowhere near a pandemic level. We were surprised initially and a lot of the vulnerable population around the world was very sick and plenty of them died. Knowing what we know now about this bug and how to treat it, I just don't see the reason for this vaccine. Flu vaccines are common enough and it's technology that has been around for quite some time.
Using the world's population as a guinea pig to test new technology that we have no idea exactly what the long-term risks and damages might be for a bug that kills a very small amount of the people it infects is just insane in my view.

This bug is not the killer it's portrayed to be, and year-over-year all-cause mortality rates remain relatively unchanged. Why do we need a vaccine?

We have treatment choices and doctors have learned a lot about what not to do to treat this bug.. You appear to be in an age group that is relatively risk-free of death from covid-19.. Why on Earth would you consider taking an unproven risky vaccine? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or be disrespectful, I just think logically, and logic says taking this vaccine is just plain dangerous and unnecessary considering the risk factors involved. Why has flu not been killing so many people this year? Is it because covid-19 has been blamed for flu deaths? I've said from the beginning of this thing that all cause mortality rates compared year over year will give us answers.
Now the answer is beginning to emerge and we're seeing that this is an apparent scam on a global scale involving trillions of dollars and it's being used to control populations in an Orwellian fashion..  It's just not right and I will not be a willing participant in it.

[Serk]

Serk,
I'm curious..  what exactly do you want him to stop? Alternatives to a CV-19 vaccine strategy?

His multiple new threads most days with various really out there conspiracy theories. Frankly, it's making "our side" look bad and isn't helpful filling up the board with endless conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory each in their own thread.

[98valk]

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

—
Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

[Gavin_Sons]

I give my dogs ivermectin for heartworm prevention.

[Bret SD]

Serk,
I'm curious..  what exactly do you want him to stop? Alternatives to a CV-19 vaccine strategy?

His multiple new threads most days with various really out there conspiracy theories. Frankly, it's making "our side" look bad and isn't helpful filling up the board with endless conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory each in their own thread.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.. Not so sure if that characterization is valid, and 'conspiracy theory' is the language of our detractors.
They'll never debate us point-for-point and only dismiss us as conspiracy theorists, buying into and implementing their rhetoric is not advisable.

Threads live and die according to the interest they garner and viability of the subject matter.

[Beardo]

Serk,
I'm curious..  what exactly do you want him to stop? Alternatives to a CV-19 vaccine strategy?

His multiple new threads most days with various really out there conspiracy theories. Frankly, it's making "our side" look bad and isn't helpful filling up the board with endless conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory each in their own thread.

FWIW, I couldn’t agree more with Serk.

We all can google conspiracy theories ourselves if we want to read them. If 98 thinks he’s doing us a favour by enlightening us all, he’s not.   The only favour he’s doing is reaffirming what side of a topic one should be on, the opposite of whatever he says.

[Willow]

His multiple new threads most days with various really out there conspiracy theories. Frankly, it's making "our side" look bad and isn't helpful filling up the board with endless conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory each in their own thread.

...
Threads live and die according to the interest they garner and viability of the subject matter.

While that is essentially true one must keep in mind that every time a user posts a new thread he pushes one off the front page.  When one user posts multiple times He is essentially saying that what he has to share is more important that what others have posted.

98Valk is not the only one that does that.

[G-Man]

'Knowing What We Know Now'

I keep hearing this.  I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments, therefore we have nothing to fear.

HOWEVER, we keep seeing record breaking daily number of deaths.

 

[Bret SD]

'Knowing What We Know Now'

I keep hearing this.  I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments, therefore we have nothing to fear.

HOWEVER, we keep seeing record breaking daily number of deaths.

 

"I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments"

This is within the context of my post..


"therefore we have nothing to fear."

This I never said or implied, you twisted my message into your own interpretation, then used the ugly stupid sign..


I never said we had nothing to fear, my point is that covid-19 is the devil we now know.. At least we know much more than we did when it first started. We're getting a much better idea of who's at risk and what are the best ways to treat those who are inflicted.

What we don't know are the potential adverse effects of this hastily produced vaccine.. I was merely pointing out that the risk from the devil we know (CV-19) is less at this point, than the devil we don't know.

To say we're experiencing record daily deaths now is feeding into fear, if you have proof of this please present it.

[98valk]

His multiple new threads most days with various really out there conspiracy theories. Frankly, it's making "our side" look bad and isn't helpful filling up the board with endless conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory each in their own thread.

...
Threads live and die according to the interest they garner and viability of the subject matter.

While that is essentially true one must keep in mind that every time a user posts a new thread he pushes one off the front page.  When one user posts multiple times He is essentially saying that what he has to share is more important that what others have posted.

98Valk is not the only one that does that.

sorry, u are incorrect for I never even thought of that.

[Valkorado]

'Knowing What We Know Now'

I keep hearing this.  I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments, therefore we have nothing to fear.

HOWEVER, we keep seeing record breaking daily number of deaths.

 

 "I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments"

This is within the context of my post..


"therefore we have nothing to fear."

This I never said or implied, you twisted my message into your own interpretation, then used the ugly stupid sign..


I never said we had nothing to fear, my point is that covid-19 is the devil we now know.. At least we know much more than we did when it first started. We're getting a much better idea of who's at risk and what are the best ways to treat those who are inflicted.

What we don't know are the potential adverse effects of this hastily produced vaccine.. I was merely pointing out that the risk from the devil we know (CV-19) is less at this point, than the devil we don't know.

To say we're experiencing record daily deaths now is feeding into fear, if you have proof of this please present it.

Not exactly proof, I reckon.  But pretty strong evidence that "knowing what we know" has shown us we need safe, effective vaccines pronto!

“Probably for the next 60 to 90 days, we’re going to have more deaths per day than we had on 9/11 or we had at Pearl Harbor,” Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told the Council on Foreign Relations on Thursday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa/rising-death-toll-tempers-u-s-enthusiasm-over-coming-covid-vaccine-idUKKBN28L1PB

http://www.thenorthlines.com/us-sets-new-grim-record-with-over-3000-covid-deaths-in-single-day/

https://tdn.com/business/the-latest-us-tops-3-000-daily-deaths-more-than-9-11/image_bea78a59-141c-5491-84e0-7632b7bd82e8.html

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/12/10/For-1st-time-US-adds-more-than-3000-COVID-19-deaths-in-single-day/9681607611807/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/virus-updates-calif-hospitals-low-on-beds-staff-intense-protests-over-idaho-mask-mandate/2769462/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-updates-20201209-ewdl4jwomfdmxirqhgdinrm5dm-story.html

https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/us-sets-new-single-day-record-with-over-3000-covid-19-deaths/

[G-Man]

'Knowing What We Know Now'

I keep hearing this.  I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments, therefore we have nothing to fear.

HOWEVER, we keep seeing record breaking daily number of deaths.

 

"I interpret this to mean that we have learned a great deal with regards to the infective behavior and treatments"

This is within the context of my post..


"therefore we have nothing to fear."

This I never said or implied, you twisted my message into your own interpretation, then used the ugly stupid sign..


I never said we had nothing to fear, my point is that covid-19 is the devil we now know.. At least we know much more than we did when it first started. We're getting a much better idea of who's at risk and what are the best ways to treat those who are inflicted.

What we don't know are the potential adverse effects of this hastily produced vaccine.. I was merely pointing out that the risk from the devil we know (CV-19) is less at this point, than the devil we don't know.

To say we're experiencing record daily deaths now is feeding into fear, if you have proof of this please present it.

I wasn't replying to your post directly.  i've seen that statement and others that are very close to it by lots of different people in all different mediums. 

In my own humble opinion, we are only beginning to know what we don't know. 

All I did was type 'record breaking deaths' into google and the second hit on the page is this:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Biden wants a mask mandate...... what does he think we've been doing already?  Where I live, you can't enter a public building without one.  The stores are perpetually out of lysol and other cleaning products.  The restaurants are all but closed now as it's too cold to eat outside.  Can't visit nursing homes.  schools are closed.

AND, we keep seeing large numbers of positive tests and deaths.  So, is it in the water, the air, in our food, in or on the products we buy? ? ? ? ?  Is it in the masks we're made to wear that are made in China?

and the people responsible for unleashing this will never be held accountable.   

[98valk]

because the test is fake and provides huge false positives. it is all about money from the cares act the more c19 cases the more $$$$ they get.   I've posting about this since april, but I'm a CN.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5fd274870a5b607590020132

“Fauci doesn’t understand medicine, he’s an administrator”, “he has an agenda” said Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winning inventor of PCR tests. Although he died just before Fauci did it again, much bigger than ever, we MUST listen to what he said as the misuse of his PCR test is now the basis for a bigger world wide lockdown.

[Jess from VA]

Biden wants a mask mandate...... what does he think we've been doing already?

Does he think? 

In any event, the whole thing is just to look busy (and important).

[Valkorado]

because the test is fake and provides huge false positives. it is all about money from the cares act the more c19 cases the more $$$$ they get.   I've posting about this since april, but I'm a CN.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5fd274870a5b607590020132

“Fauci doesn’t understand medicine, he’s an administrator”, “he has an agenda” said Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winning inventor of PCR tests. Although he died just before Fauci did it again, much bigger than ever, we MUST listen to what he said as the misuse of his PCR test is now the basis for a bigger world wide lockdown.

So the fake tests are causing the recent spike in C-19 deaths?   ???

[98valk]

because the test is fake and provides huge false positives. it is all about money from the cares act the more c19 cases the more $$$$ they get.   I've posting about this since april, but I'm a CN.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5fd274870a5b607590020132

“Fauci doesn’t understand medicine, he’s an administrator”, “he has an agenda” said Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winning inventor of PCR tests. Although he died just before Fauci did it again, much bigger than ever, we MUST listen to what he said as the misuse of his PCR test is now the basis for a bigger world wide lockdown.

So the fake tests are causing the recent spike in C-19 deaths?   ???

cares act, and medicare they get more money if death is listed as c19. this has been well documented since april which I've posted many times.  the states with the highest numbers are all of the bankrupt democrat controlled states. I 've posted about that since the beginning.

Our ruling: True

We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

[Valkorado]

because the test is fake and provides huge false positives. it is all about money from the cares act the more c19 cases the more $$$$ they get.   I've posting about this since april, but I'm a CN.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5fd274870a5b607590020132

“Fauci doesn’t understand medicine, he’s an administrator”, “he has an agenda” said Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winning inventor of PCR tests. Although he died just before Fauci did it again, much bigger than ever, we MUST listen to what he said as the misuse of his PCR test is now the basis for a bigger world wide lockdown.

So the fake tests are causing the recent spike in C-19 deaths?   ???

cares act, and medicare they get more money if death is listed as c19. this has been well documented since april which I've posted many times.  the states with the highest numbers are all of the bankrupt democrat controlled states. I 've posted about that since the beginning.

Our ruling: True

We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

Thanks.  Just checking.