Pfizer trucks loaded and ready to roll

[Jersey mike]

But I’ll bet somewhere along the supply chain someone will screw this up since the vaccine needs to be kept at -94F.  Human error, you can’t dismiss it.



https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/vaccine-trucks-distribute-unitedstates/2020/12/13/id/1001249/

“ Federal officials say the first shipments of Pfizer’s vaccine will be staggered, arriving in 145 distribution centers Monday, with an additional 425 sites getting shipments Tuesday, and the remaining 66 on Wednesday. The vaccine, co-developed by German partner BioNTech, is being doled out based on each state's adult population.”

I’m assuming all these distribution centers noted in the article are staging areas for further distribution of the vaccine. Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

[hubcapsc]

Trucks carrying the fragile cargo at minus-94 degrees Fahrenheit will start
rolling out of Pfizer plants in Michigan and Wisconsin on Sunday. Doses
are scheduled to start arriving at hospitals on Monday.

wsj.com

[h13man]

My biggest concern is the gov'ts are going to make this a "vacination card" you have carry to be allowed access to anything in this world. I never had a flu shot and got it once last year due to fact I was had to work with a individual that obviously sick and was sent home because she was that noticeably sick. She already infected the whole area by the time I got there and I haven't had the flu since the 80's. Took me almost 3 mos. to feel my norm again.

[Valkorado]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

[Jersey mike]

Whether it’s shipped to hospitals or some other final facilities the point being is this isn’t a frozen food product such as frozen turkeys or fresh seafood. This is a product with a specific temperature attached to it. Everything I’ve read it’s been well documented the vaccine needs to be maintained at -94F.

So, when it’s time to start administering the vaccine, what is the maximum allowable temperature the vials are permitted to reach? This vaccine cannot be administered at -94F. I’m assuming this is not a shot that gets injected into a vein but is like other vaccines which are a shot in the arm or tushie.

Can the vials be allowed to reach maximum allowable temperature (say room temperature) and then restored to the deep freeze if the product was not use. Just think a quart of milk, it can be taken out of the refrigerator and set on a counter for a period of time before a) it get put back into refrigerator and is useful or b) it spoils and needs to be thrown away.

When these doses reach their final destinations (inoculation sites) they will need the most stringent of oversight and compliance with Pfizer’s recommendations, protocols and data. A lackadaisical nurse, doctor, pharmacist, healthcare aid, pharmacy technician, truck driver or anyone else have the ability to spoil a portion or a whole lot of the vaccine with noncompliance.

I’m no expert on dry ice or refrigeration but specifically maintaining -94F sounds quite difficult.

[Valkorado]

My understanding is that after thaw the vax can be refrigerated for a period of time or is good for a window.  I think it goes into arms near room temperature.  I could be wrong, I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Britiman tracked down this information guide needle somewhere in the internet haystack.

https://health.wyo.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/CDC-COVID-19-Product-Information-Guide-12.04.20-CLEAN.pdf

[Jersey mike]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

[Valkorado]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

They've thought of that.

If "it" does happen, high tech thermometers and monitoring devices should keep "bad" vaccine from getting into people.

[Davemn]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

And what do you propose?

[Jersey mike]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

They've thought of that.

If "it" does happen, high tech thermometers and monitoring devices should keep "bad" vaccine from getting into people.

I hope you’re right.

[Jersey mike]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

And what do you propose?

Off the top the top of my head I’d have to say a team from any branch of the military at each place possible. 3 MP’s, 2-3 doctors and 2-3 corpsman on rotating shifts to ensure compliance. This stuff is bought and paid for by the government so let there be oversight. Redundancy shouldn’t be an argued situation.

[Valkorado]

Too sensitive of a product to be shipped, stored and then shipped and stored again and possibly shipped, stored and used for general population.

Yeah, might as well just trashcan the whole idea.  We don't need no stinking vaccine for a virus with a 99% recovery rate.

-note- no emojis were utilized in this post

See, I’m trying to be realistic on the whole situation and you’re throwing the whole thing in the trash.

Human error is a real issue, whether it’s reporting the weather or mixing a baking recipe wrong or oven temps are xx # of degrees off...stuff happens. I’ve seen expert mechanics and tradesmen make mistakes as well as doctors foul up with diagnosis or surgery. S#!+ happens!

And what do you propose?

Off the top the top of my head I’d have to say a team from any branch of the military at each place possible. 3 MP’s, 2-3 doctors and 2-3 corpsman on rotating shifts to ensure compliance. This stuff is bought and paid for by the government so let there be oversight. Redundancy shouldn’t be an argued situation.

I did read they are planning to have military personnel guarding the warehouse storage locations.  The delivery trucks are being flanked by US Marshals.  The stuff is liquid gold!

More distribution information here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-mass-distribution-supply-chain-11607874181

[signart]

If'n you watch the news video of the assembly line packaging & shipping of the vaccine in the warehouse that I just witnessed, it will take several years to get to everyone that wants to be inoculated.
"Warp Speed" does not come to mind when these most assuredly diverse workers were videoed for the media. One worker in the assembly line laid a block of insulation on top of the package, then went down the line to the next worker closed a flap, next worker placed a pamphlet in the box, went down the line and two more workers closed a couple more flaps. They only had one tow motor to load the trucks, I hope they have more than one truck.
Of course this whole rollout is just for show, it's a real shame this dampanic is used for political division. Instead it shows that this country will never be unified again. No disaster, no disease, no leader, no world event will ever unite this country again.

[Valker]

My, how quickly the liberals changed their mind about personal rights. Remember the abortion anthem of "My body, my choice"? When I say about the vaccine "My body, My choice" they are against it..... Go figure. Scientifically the unborn baby is NOT part of the mothers' body, but there is NOTHING about the vaccine that is NOT my body...

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

My, how quickly the liberals changed their mind about personal rights. Remember the abortion anthem of "My body, my choice"? When I say about the vaccine "My body, My choice" they are against it..... Go figure. Scientifically the unborn baby is NOT part of the mothers' body, but there is NOTHING about the vaccine that is NOT my body...

 

They have ?

[f6gal]

Whether it’s shipped to hospitals or some other final facilities the point being is this isn’t a frozen food product such as frozen turkeys or fresh seafood. This is a product with a specific temperature attached to it. Everything I’ve read it’s been well documented the vaccine needs to be maintained at -94F.

So, when it’s time to start administering the vaccine, what is the maximum allowable temperature the vials are permitted to reach? This vaccine cannot be administered at -94F. I’m assuming this is not a shot that gets injected into a vein but is like other vaccines which are a shot in the arm or tushie.

Can the vials be allowed to reach maximum allowable temperature (say room temperature) and then restored to the deep freeze if the product was not use. Just think a quart of milk, it can be taken out of the refrigerator and set on a counter for a period of time before a) it get put back into refrigerator and is useful or b) it spoils and needs to be thrown away.

When these doses reach their final destinations (inoculation sites) they will need the most stringent of oversight and compliance with Pfizer’s recommendations, protocols and data. A lackadaisical nurse, doctor, pharmacist, healthcare aid, pharmacy technician, truck driver or anyone else have the ability to spoil a portion or a whole lot of the vaccine with noncompliance.

I’m no expert on dry ice or refrigeration but specifically maintaining -94F sounds quite difficult.

I've posted this info a few times, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
Pfizer vaccines will ship in 2 mL, 5 dose vials. Each shipping box contains 975 vials (4875 doses). 
Each carton is surrounded by 50 pounds of dry-ice pellets to maintain temp below -70°C (-94°F).
They will be shipped with recorded temperature monitors to ensure they remained at correct temp.
Once thawed, an undiluted vial can be kept in a regular refrigerator (2°C–8°C) for five days.
Once diluted, it can be kept at room temperature, but the vial must be used within 6 hours.

Of course there is a risk of human error.  I foresee the majority of waste occurring in that final step; not using them within 6 hours of dilution.  Given the level of monitoring, it's unlikely that someone would receive a dose that fell outside of the given parameters.  However, if someone did, it wouldn't harm them; but the efficacy could be diminished. 

No vaccinations are given in a vein.  There are a number of administration routes, depending on the vaccine.  The C-19 vaccine does not contain live virus; the room temperature doses will be administered by intramuscular injection.

[Valkorado]

Whether it’s shipped to hospitals or some other final facilities the point being is this isn’t a frozen food product such as frozen turkeys or fresh seafood. This is a product with a specific temperature attached to it. Everything I’ve read it’s been well documented the vaccine needs to be maintained at -94F.

So, when it’s time to start administering the vaccine, what is the maximum allowable temperature the vials are permitted to reach? This vaccine cannot be administered at -94F. I’m assuming this is not a shot that gets injected into a vein but is like other vaccines which are a shot in the arm or tushie.

Can the vials be allowed to reach maximum allowable temperature (say room temperature) and then restored to the deep freeze if the product was not use. Just think a quart of milk, it can be taken out of the refrigerator and set on a counter for a period of time before a) it get put back into refrigerator and is useful or b) it spoils and needs to be thrown away.

When these doses reach their final destinations (inoculation sites) they will need the most stringent of oversight and compliance with Pfizer’s recommendations, protocols and data. A lackadaisical nurse, doctor, pharmacist, healthcare aid, pharmacy technician, truck driver or anyone else have the ability to spoil a portion or a whole lot of the vaccine with noncompliance.

I’m no expert on dry ice or refrigeration but specifically maintaining -94F sounds quite difficult.

I've posted this info a few times, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
Pfizer vaccines will ship in 2 mL, 5 dose vials. Each shipping box contains 975 vials (4875 doses). 
Each carton is surrounded by 50 pounds of dry-ice pellets to maintain temp below -70°C (-94°F).
They will be shipped with recorded temperature monitors to ensure they remained at correct temp.
Once thawed, an undiluted vial can be kept in a regular refrigerator (2°C–8°C) for five days.
Once diluted, it can be kept at room temperature, but the vial must be used within 6 hours.

Of course there is a risk of human error.  I foresee the majority of waste occurring in that final step; not using them within 6 hours of dilution.  Given the level of monitoring, it's unlikely that someone would receive a dose that fell outside of the given parameters.  However, if someone did, it wouldn't harm them; but the efficacy could be diminished. 

No vaccinations are given in a vein.  There are a number of administration routes, depending on the vaccine.  The C-19 vaccine does not contain live virus; the room temperature doses will be administered by intramuscular injection.

Hence the loooooong, skinny needles I saw them using on teevee.    No worries, I can take it.  I may not watch that sucker go to the hilt, tho.   

[Jersey mike]

Whether it’s shipped to hospitals or some other final facilities the point being is this isn’t a frozen food product such as frozen turkeys or fresh seafood. This is a product with a specific temperature attached to it. Everything I’ve read it’s been well documented the vaccine needs to be maintained at -94F.

So, when it’s time to start administering the vaccine, what is the maximum allowable temperature the vials are permitted to reach? This vaccine cannot be administered at -94F. I’m assuming this is not a shot that gets injected into a vein but is like other vaccines which are a shot in the arm or tushie.

Can the vials be allowed to reach maximum allowable temperature (say room temperature) and then restored to the deep freeze if the product was not use. Just think a quart of milk, it can be taken out of the refrigerator and set on a counter for a period of time before a) it get put back into refrigerator and is useful or b) it spoils and needs to be thrown away.

When these doses reach their final destinations (inoculation sites) they will need the most stringent of oversight and compliance with Pfizer’s recommendations, protocols and data. A lackadaisical nurse, doctor, pharmacist, healthcare aid, pharmacy technician, truck driver or anyone else have the ability to spoil a portion or a whole lot of the vaccine with noncompliance.

I’m no expert on dry ice or refrigeration but specifically maintaining -94F sounds quite difficult.

I've posted this info a few times, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
Pfizer vaccines will ship in 2 mL, 5 dose vials. Each shipping box contains 975 vials (4875 doses). 
Each carton is surrounded by 50 pounds of dry-ice pellets to maintain temp below -70°C (-94°F).
They will be shipped with recorded temperature monitors to ensure they remained at correct temp.
Once thawed, an undiluted vial can be kept in a regular refrigerator (2°C–8°C) for five days.
Once diluted, it can be kept at room temperature, but the vial must be used within 6 hours.

Of course there is a risk of human error.  I foresee the majority of waste occurring in that final step; not using them within 6 hours of dilution.  Given the level of monitoring, it's unlikely that someone would receive a dose that fell outside of the given parameters.  However, if someone did, it wouldn't harm them; but the efficacy could be diminished. 

No vaccinations are given in a vein.  There are a number of administration routes, depending on the vaccine.  The C-19 vaccine does not contain live virus; the room temperature doses will be administered by intramuscular injection.

Thanks, I’ll admit I have not been keeping up with a lot of news and postings in the threads. I appreciate you going out your way to repost info again.

[98valk]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/12/09/pfizer-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccines/

The report concluded the vaccine protected against the virus in 62 per cent of trial participants who were given two full doses.

Overall, the vaccine worked in an average 70 per cent of cases and “has an acceptable safety profile” based on data from 11,636 volunteers across Britain and Brazil.


acceptable safety profile??  people have died from it already per article.
tyrant governors have stated we must shut down even it if means destroy the economy to save just one life.

[Jersey mike]

Whether it’s shipped to hospitals or some other final facilities the point being is this isn’t a frozen food product such as frozen turkeys or fresh seafood. This is a product with a specific temperature attached to it. Everything I’ve read it’s been well documented the vaccine needs to be maintained at -94F.

So, when it’s time to start administering the vaccine, what is the maximum allowable temperature the vials are permitted to reach? This vaccine cannot be administered at -94F. I’m assuming this is not a shot that gets injected into a vein but is like other vaccines which are a shot in the arm or tushie.

Can the vials be allowed to reach maximum allowable temperature (say room temperature) and then restored to the deep freeze if the product was not use. Just think a quart of milk, it can be taken out of the refrigerator and set on a counter for a period of time before a) it get put back into refrigerator and is useful or b) it spoils and needs to be thrown away.

When these doses reach their final destinations (inoculation sites) they will need the most stringent of oversight and compliance with Pfizer’s recommendations, protocols and data. A lackadaisical nurse, doctor, pharmacist, healthcare aid, pharmacy technician, truck driver or anyone else have the ability to spoil a portion or a whole lot of the vaccine with noncompliance.

I’m no expert on dry ice or refrigeration but specifically maintaining -94F sounds quite difficult.

I've posted this info a few times, but in case you missed it, here it is again:
Pfizer vaccines will ship in 2 mL, 5 dose vials. Each shipping box contains 975 vials (4875 doses). 
Each carton is surrounded by 50 pounds of dry-ice pellets to maintain temp below -70°C (-94°F).
They will be shipped with recorded temperature monitors to ensure they remained at correct temp.
Once thawed, an undiluted vial can be kept in a regular refrigerator (2°C–8°C) for five days.
Once diluted, it can be kept at room temperature, but the vial must be used within 6 hours.

Of course there is a risk of human error.  I foresee the majority of waste occurring in that final step; not using them within 6 hours of dilution.  Given the level of monitoring, it's unlikely that someone would receive a dose that fell outside of the given parameters.  However, if someone did, it wouldn't harm them; but the efficacy could be diminished. 

No vaccinations are given in a vein.  There are a number of administration routes, depending on the vaccine.  The C-19 vaccine does not contain live virus; the room temperature doses will be administered by intramuscular injection.

Hence the loooooong, skinny needles I saw them using on teevee.    No worries, I can take it.  I may not watch that sucker go to the hilt, tho.   

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yl0nogtGrCI

[f6gal]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/12/09/pfizer-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccines/

The report concluded the vaccine protected against the virus in 62 per cent of trial participants who were given two full doses.

Overall, the vaccine worked in an average 70 per cent of cases and “has an acceptable safety profile” based on data from 11,636 volunteers across Britain and Brazil.


acceptable safety profile??  people have died from it already per article.
tyrant governors have stated we must shut down even it if means destroy the economy to save just one life.

OMG!  Do you even read these articles before you post them?  Or do you just fit the facts to fit your agenda?

Both of points you took from the article were related to Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, not Pfizer.  Oxford-AstraZeneca studies found better efficacy (about 90%) using half dose and then full dose. The 62% was using 2 full doses.  Oxford-AstraZeneca believes they are getting higher efficacy using half dose, then full dose.  As far as safety, again under Oxford-AstraZeneca, it says "acceptable safety profile;" it does not elaborate on that. 

As for Pfizer, the current vaccine being distributed, 95% efficacy was found at ≥ 7 days after the 2nd injection.  It does NOT say 2 people died from the vaccine.  2 people who received the vaccine died during the trial; but 4 people died that received the placebo... so, using your thought process, the placebo is twice as deadly as the vaccine. 

Additionally, "All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups where they occurred, at a similar rate."  IOW, they died during the trial, but due to other medical conditions, not because of the vaccine. 

If you're trying to spread disinformation, please stop.  If you're not reading the information completely, please start. 

[luftkoph]

If'n you watch the news video of the assembly line packaging & shipping of the vaccine in the warehouse that I just witnessed, it will take several years to get to everyone that wants to be inoculated.
"Warp Speed" does not come to mind when these most assuredly diverse workers were videoed for the media. One worker in the assembly line laid a block of insulation on top of the package, then went down the line to the next worker closed a flap, next worker placed a pamphlet in the box, went down the line and two more workers closed a couple more flaps. They only had one tow motor to load the trucks, I hope they have more than one truck.
Of course this whole rollout is just for show, it's a real shame this dampanic is used for political division. Instead it shows that this country will never be unified again. No disaster, no disease, no leader, no world event will ever unite this country again.

I’d have to respectfully disagree with you about this, if you’ve ever read in depth history, not the casual stuff most are taught, but the down and dirty history of this country in the 1850’s till after the war, this is nothing more than an errant fart in church

[cookiedough]

I worked in the receiving dept. of a biomedical company who did stuff for Moderna.  Blood and other chemicals came in near daily on DRY ICE some in HUGE crates of dry ice and believe that is COLD enough to keep it cold in cardboard for a day or more easily.    Try labeling small vials of whatever even in a plastic baggie when the darn stuff is -50 or more below zero.  Labels do NOT stick well to plastic bottles either have to PRESS HARD for 20 seconds or so with your bare hands on FREEZING COLD bottles in order for them to stick.    Frost builds up on the bottles as well in short order after unpacking them from dry ice.  Do not miss that job at all either.    Should have gotten HAZARD PAY as well as straight pay. 

[Bret SD]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

[98valk]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

helps the immune system

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/fecal-transplants-could-help-patients-cancer-immunotherapy-drugs

[The emperor has no clothes]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

Merck ? Eli Lilly ? I thought it was Phizer and also Moderna that were coming out with the vaccines ? Also, I'd be surprised if Merck production workers would work in a feces covered facility without spilling the beans.

[cookiedough]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

Merck ? Eli Lilly ? I thought it was Phizer and also Moderna that were coming out with the vaccines ? Also, I'd be surprised if Merck production workers would work in a feces covered facility without spilling the beans.

highly doubt it either is bogus I would think.  biomedical places have to follow and have strict GMP compliance and the QA dept. is anal about following protocols in place even though most I had to deal with were completely insane to follow. 

[rocketray]

apparently Ivermectin cures COVID--look in the pet supplies section at worst..apparently the BP med Norvasc prevents it I read on the net

[Jess from VA]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/12/09/pfizer-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccines/

The report concluded the vaccine protected against the virus in 62 per cent of trial participants who were given two full doses.

Overall, the vaccine worked in an average 70 per cent of cases and “has an acceptable safety profile” based on data from 11,636 volunteers across Britain and Brazil.


acceptable safety profile??  people have died from it already per article.
tyrant governors have stated we must shut down even it if means destroy the economy to save just one life.

OMG!  Do you even read these articles before you post them?  Or do you just twist the facts to fit your tirade?

Both of points you took from the article were related to Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, not Pfizer.  Oxford-AstraZeneca studies found better efficacy (about 90%) using half dose and then full dose. The 62% was using 2 full doses.  Oxford-AstraZeneca believes they are getting higher efficacy using half dose, then full dose.  As far as safety, again under Oxford-AstraZeneca, it says "acceptable safety profile;" it does not elaborate on that. 

As for Pfizer, the current vaccine being distributed, 95% efficacy was found at ≥ 7 days after the 2nd injection.  It does NOT say 2 people died from the vaccine.  2 people who received the vaccine died during the trial; but 4 people died that received the placebo... so, using your thought process, the placebo is twice as deadly as the vaccine. 

Additionally, "All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups where they occurred, at a similar rate."  IOW, they died during the trial, but due to other medical conditions, not because of the vaccine. 

If you're trying to spread disinformation, please stop.  If you're not reading the information completely, please start. 

What I don't understand is how is efficacy determined?

Are volunteers actually exposed to the virus after inoculation (they agree to this?), or is it done with some kind of blood testing? 

[hubcapsc]

What I don't understand is how is efficacy determined?

I think: you get a whole bunch of people. Some get the real vaccine,
some get a placebo. Then you tabulate what happens to each group.

-Mike

[Valkorado]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

Really?  Seriously?

I've said all along that C-19 is a sh!t virus.  Maybe the vaccine manufacturers are just trying to fight fire with fire.    ???

[Bret SD]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

Really?  Seriously?

I've said all along that C-19 is a sh!t virus.  Maybe the vaccine manufacturers are just trying to fight fire with fire.    ???

[Bret SD]

Feces on the floor at vaccine production plants?

Can't vet this story now, if true it's very concerning for all, especially those who plan to take the vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-13-merck-covid19-vaccines-biohazard-nightmare-feces-filth.html

Merck ? Eli Lilly ? I thought it was Phizer and also Moderna that were coming out with the vaccines ? Also, I'd be surprised if Merck production workers would work in a feces covered facility without spilling the beans.

Dunno, sounded odd to me too, yet disturbing enough to post and get feedback from those who know the industry more than I do. The article stated one of them had been cited before for not following protocol.

[Willow]

Note to 98Valk -  F6gal did not remove your posts.  I did.  Apparently in your posting you have a problem determining the line between disagreement and personal attack.

[f6john]

In all the back and forth about the vaccine, good or bad, take it or not, who goes first, and on and on, it should not be forgotten that it was the push by President Trump that has given America the choice and the opportunity to take the vaccine.

Just another promise delivered by the most effective President in my lifetime.

[The emperor has no clothes]

In all the back and forth about the vaccine, good or bad, take it or not, who goes first, and on and on, it should not be forgotten that it was the push by President Trump that has given America the choice and the opportunity to take the vaccine.

Just another promise delivered by the most effective President in my lifetime.

Eisenhower
Kennedy
LBJ
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Reagan
H.W.Bush
Clinton
G.Bush
Obama
Trump

These were the presidents in my lifetime. (I can think of a few more effective)