capitol riot left trail of wreckage...

[hubcapsc]

capitol riot left trail of wreckage is a wsj headline today...
this is what I want to see. I know there were some broken windows
the occupiers (remember the occupy wall street people who the
media called "occupiers" and not "looters"?  ) climbed through,
and the wsj showed a picture of one.  But mainly, what I can see,
the "trail of wreckage" has required the maintenance staff to
re-vacuum and re-dust some stuff...





I'm pretty sure the new administration will be using the Wade
Hampton statue in that hall as crusher-run for the white house driveway,
now there's a trail of wreckage!

Here's some more wreckage...





Anywho... they arrested that little feller who "ransacked" Nancy Pelosi's
office...



I'm not saying the people who broke into the capitol didn't wreck any
stuff, I just want to see some pictures of it...

-Mike

[Rams]

In that I did not attend or participate, I can only go with what has been shown on the different medias.

As with most social/political news, I tend to believe that exaggeration is the golden rule of reporting.  Usually attempting to shape the political and social landscape to the media's bias.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm too lazy to post up individual pics. Here are some.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=Xtn5X87wBKzA0PEPyKqrqAY&q=capitol+offices+ransacked&oq=capitol+offices&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgQIABADMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgQIABAYOgIIADoFCAAQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBUOIhWLJZYMpmaABwAHgAgAGOAYgBqA2SAQQ0LjExmAEAoAEBsAEA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img

[Valker]

OMG-tipped over furniture and scattered papers!! The wanton destruction. The lack of flames, scorch marks, and broken stuff is surprising.

[old2soon]

        Give em couple days so the spin people Will git yer pics and vid out soon as it appears devastating enough. Ya know-more at 10 with video!  RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mike, I think the real issue is not about what damage was done by the rioters. The real damage was that they were trying (and succeeded temporarily) to stop the Congress from doing their Constitutional duties.

[..]

Mike, I think the real issue is not about what damage was done by the rioters. The real damage was that they were trying (and succeeded temporarily) to stop the Congress from doing their Constitutional duties.

Deflect, deny, distract from the OP's point of view.

[scooperhsd]

As Serk has stated - Government should be afraid of the people - not the people afraid of the Government.

[Jess from VA]

Here is the plain and simple truth on following rule of law.

Everyone should follow it, until that rule of law actively subverts or refuses to follow it's own rule of (natural and man made) law itself.  You may remember our founding fathers had to deal with this same issue for a number of hard years.

So when half the country (or so) sincerely believes they may have been disenfranchised of their sole form of getting to choose their own representative government, they may take that as a situation where the rule of law may be broken for good cause.  And right at the headquarters building too.

I once taught military policeman (and others) in use of force and laws of armed conflict.  In any kind of conflict, one of your best options is to use a slow escalation of force to bring the other side to a negotiated resolution without need for further conflict.  Just like throwing the tea in the harbor.

The events of 6 Jan were a quite modest demonstration of force.  (Though the redcoats are hunting for them.)

-----------------------------

I do not know if it was planned or spontaneous (soon after the Pense decision to approve the vote was published to the crowd, as has been reported by several first hand observers).  It wasn't very organized in execution to be preplaned, more like a bums rush and hail mary.  

It makes no difference in the end, but I am very curious.

And here's another fun fact:  

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers.  Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers.  (see the trend there?)

Many of these men lost everything they had in the revolution and a few died.  But there is not a single report of any of them losing their bar cards or right to practice law for ethics violations.  

        

[The emperor has no clothes]

Here is the plain and simple truth on following rule of law.

Everyone should follow it, until that rule of law actively subverts or refuses to follow it's own rule of (natural and man made) law itself.  You may remember our founding fathers had to deal with this same issue for a number of hard years.

So when half the country (or so) sincerely believes they may have been disenfranchised of their sole form of getting to choose their own representative government, they may take that as a situation where the rule of law may be broken for good cause.  And right at the headquarters building too.

I once taught military policeman (and others) in use of force and laws of armed conflict.  In any kind of conflict, one of your best options is to use a slow escalation of force to bring the other side to a negotiated resolution without need for further conflict.  Just like throwing the tea in the harbor.

The events of 6 Jan were a quite modest demonstration of force.  (Though the redcoats are hunting for them.)

-----------------------------

I do not know if it was planned or spontaneous (soon after the Pense decision to approve the vote was published to the crowd, as has been reported by several first hand observers).  It wasn't very organized in execution to be preplaned, more like a bums rush and hail mary.  

It makes no difference in the end, but I am very curious.

And here's another fun fact:  

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers.  Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers.

Many of these men lost everything they had in the revolution and a few died.  But there is not a single report of any of them losing their bar cards or right to practice law for ethics violations.  

        

because they "sincerely believe" ? You gotta be kidding me ?

[Oss]

The words in the Declaration are not ambiguous.

As one who (I think) was required to pledge the oath on enlistment, I would hope you remember that one has a duty to not obey certain orders, even though it may lead to court martial

So every citizen of this country must always look within at the time and place to decide what is right and wrong.

I am in favor of charging trespass but not sedition. I see no destruction either and do not trust the talking heads.  

I am far more concerned with the demonizing of those who do not agree with those seeking power on the left.  Telling the people what they can see, hear, tweet, put on facebook, publish, say on a plane to one's wife  These are the things that make my blood run cold

Wearing a star on one's lapel is days away, being required to be in a camp down the road just around the bend

I would welcome our military to clean house if I were knowing of how to do so

[..]

Good.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/01/09/the-horned-guy-is-arrested-charged-with-breaking-into-the-capitol-n1326747

[The emperor has no clothes]

The words in the Declaration are not ambiguous.

As one who (I think) was required to pledge the oath on enlistment, I would hope you remember that one has a duty to not obey certain orders, even though it may lead to court martial

So every citizen of this country must always look within at the time and place to decide what is right and wrong.

I am in favor of charging trespass but not sedition. I see no destruction either and do not trust the talking heads.  

I am far more concerned with the demonizing of those who do not agree with those seeking power on the left.  Telling the people what they can see, hear, tweet, put on facebook, publish, say on a plane to one's wife  These are the things that make my blood run cold

Wearing a star on one's lapel is days away, being required to be in a camp down the road just around the bend

I would welcome our military to clean house if I were knowing of how to do so

I remember my oath very well. There is nothing about "certain orders". Basically we are to defend the Constitution, obey orders as directed in the USMJ (rule book). We were taught that you weren't supposed to follow an illegal order. But, you better be cursed sure that order was illegal. I think every person who crossed the barrier should be charged with trespass and assaulting police if so done. I think everyone who went into the building should be charged with sedition and any assault, murder charges. It's pretty simple really. ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. My oath, and others is pretty clear.



Our military is barred from "cleaning house"

[..]

The words in the Declaration are not ambiguous.

As one who (I think) was required to pledge the oath on enlistment, I would hope you remember that one has a duty to not obey certain orders, even though it may lead to court martial

So every citizen of this country must always look within at the time and place to decide what is right and wrong.

I am in favor of charging trespass but not sedition. I see no destruction either and do not trust the talking heads.  

I am far more concerned with the demonizing of those who do not agree with those seeking power on the left.  Telling the people what they can see, hear, tweet, put on facebook, publish, say on a plane to one's wife  These are the things that make my blood run cold

Wearing a star on one's lapel is days away, being required to be in a camp down the road just around the bend

I would welcome our military to clean house if I were knowing of how to do so

I remember my oath very well. There is nothing about "certain orders". Basically we are to defend the Constitution, obey orders as directed in the USMJ (rule book). We were taught that you weren't supposed to follow an illegal order. But, you better be cursed sure that order was illegal. I think every person who crossed the barrier should be charged with trespass and assaulting police if so done. I think everyone who went into the building should be charged with sedition and any assault, murder charges. It's pretty simple really. ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. My oath, and others is pretty clear.



Our military is barred from "cleaning house"

Indeed

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/6/portland-protesters-set-fire-city-hall-vandalize-o/


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protesters-take-over-seattle-city-hall/vi-BB15jpjV


There are more examples if you care to open your eyes and look past the blinkers.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

[Jess from VA]

In a show of compassion and common sense (similar to that shown to nearly all BLM Antifa of the past year, with no common sence), they should only seek charges against anyone they have direct evidence of breaking or stealing things or hurting anyone, and that's inside or outside the building.

Mere presence inside without more, should be given a pass.

Most cases made by photo ID only should be easy to defeat in any court of law.  And they would love 300 jury trials.  So would I.  Unless a very low (no felony) plea/sentence deal was made to all who plead.  


 

[..]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

[..]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

As usual you post words and then change them. Deny, deflect, distract. It's so obvious.

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

[The emperor has no clothes]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

As usual you post words and then change them. Deny, deflect, distract. It's so obvious.

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

I assumed you understood the Constitutional duties were Federal. I will try to be more precise for you in the future. Each State has their own, separate Constitutions.

[..]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

As usual you post words and then change them. Deny, deflect, distract. It's so obvious.

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

I assumed you understood the Constitutional duties were Federal. I will try to be more precise for you in the future. Each State has their own, separate Constitutions.

In the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution also recognizes the powers of the state governments.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/tenth+Amendment

EDIT.

Do note that in your sentence that I quoted there was no mention of the word Federal so ye, please do try to be more precise.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

As usual you post words and then change them. Deny, deflect, distract. It's so obvious.

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

I assumed you understood the Constitutional duties were Federal. I will try to be more precise for you in the future. Each State has their own, separate Constitutions.

In the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution also recognizes the powers of the state governments.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/tenth+Amendment

EDIT.

Do note that in your sentence that I quoted there was no mention of the word Federal so ye, please do try to be more precise.

Recognizing the powers of State Governments does not convey upon them powers, duties of the "Federal" Constitution.

[..]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

No surprise there.

Well, explain it then. Those riots you linked had nothing to do with the members of the Federal Government trying to do their Constitutional duties.

As usual you post words and then change them. Deny, deflect, distract. It's so obvious.

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

I assumed you understood the Constitutional duties were Federal. I will try to be more precise for you in the future. Each State has their own, separate Constitutions.

In the Tenth Amendment, the Constitution also recognizes the powers of the state governments.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/tenth+Amendment

EDIT.

Do note that in your sentence that I quoted there was no mention of the word Federal so ye, please do try to be more precise.

Recognizing the powers of State Governments does not convey upon them powers, duties of the "Federal" Constitution.

YOU
DIDN'T
USE
THE
WORD
FEDERAL

"ANYBODY who attempts to stop the government from doing their business according to the Constitution is guilty of sedition. "

And I'm climbing back out of the rabbit hole.

[Jess from VA]

They didn't go in there to stop government.

They went in there to be heard by government.

Prove me wrong.
 

Government ran away or hid under their desks and stopped working.  So they should be docked some pay.  

[3fan4life]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

Actually, your eyes are closed and closed tightly.

Not only do you refuse to accept the possibility of any narrative other that your own.

You are actively disrespecting others such as our two fine barristers as if you believe yourself to be more knowledgeable about the law than they.


High on what you believe is a victory for your side, you are being a "Keyboard Commando" that is quickly burning ANY bridges of trust and respect that you have built through your in person interactions.

You might want to ask yourself if this is really the path that you want to travel down?

Is it worth the destruction of personal relationships that you have spent years building?

[The emperor has no clothes]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

Actually, your eyes are closed and closed tightly.

Not only do you refuse to accept the possibility of any narrative other that your own.

You are actively disrespecting others such as our two fine barristers as if you believe yourself to be more knowledgeable about the law than they.


High on what you believe is a victory for your side, you are being a "Keyboard Commando" that is quickly burning ANY bridges of trust and respect that you have built through your in person interactions.

You might want to ask yourself if this is really the path that you want to travel down?

Is it worth the destruction of personal relationships that you have spent years building?

Dude, you have no room to speak of disrespect. You accused me of some grave bullshit, yet have not backed it up with one iota of evidence after I politely asked for it. I grew up in a backwater place where people spoke what they thought. But if they did they backed it up. How did I disrespect Oss or Jess ? Burning bridges of trust and respect ? Like saying falsehoods about someone and then going radio silent when asked for info ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

They didn't go in there to stop government.

They went in there to be heard by government.

Prove me wrong.
 

Government ran away or hid under their desks and stopped working.  So they should be docked some pay.  

per NYT:

Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.

Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.

In urging his supporters to see the routine act of certifying the election results as an illegal affront against him and against them, Mr. Trump helped set in motion hours of violence and chaos that continued as darkness fell on Wednesday.

“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


And they proceeded down to the Capitol to do what they had been told to do. I'm sure all the pipes, all the pepper spray, all the cuff restraints, all the helmets, all the body armor were just to be "heard".

[The emperor has no clothes]

Here is the plain and simple truth on following rule of law.

Everyone should follow it, until that rule of law actively subverts or refuses to follow it's own rule of (natural and man made) law itself.  You may remember our founding fathers had to deal with this same issue for a number of hard years.

So when half the country (or so) sincerely believes they may have been disenfranchised of their sole form of getting to choose their own representative government, they may take that as a situation where the rule of law may be broken for good cause.  And right at the headquarters building too.

I once taught military policeman (and others) in use of force and laws of armed conflict.  In any kind of conflict, one of your best options is to use a slow escalation of force to bring the other side to a negotiated resolution without need for further conflict.  Just like throwing the tea in the harbor.

The events of 6 Jan were a quite modest demonstration of force.  (Though the redcoats are hunting for them.)

-----------------------------

I do not know if it was planned or spontaneous (soon after the Pense decision to approve the vote was published to the crowd, as has been reported by several first hand observers).  It wasn't very organized in execution to be preplaned, more like a bums rush and hail mary.  

It makes no difference in the end, but I am very curious.

And here's another fun fact:  

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers.  Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers.  (see the trend there?)

Many of these men lost everything they had in the revolution and a few died.  But there is not a single report of any of them losing their bar cards or right to practice law for ethics violations.  

        

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/01/capitol-riot-trump-criminal-charges.html

[Valker]

Funny, I heard silence, dead silence, from some members when the Democrat, some in Congress, called for actual harassments, repression, and burning of Republicans last summer....But now????

[..]

Funny, I heard silence, dead silence, from some members when the Democrat, some in Congress, called for actual harassments, repression, and burning of Republicans last summer....But now????

Funny old world isn't it!

[3fan4life]

My eyes are open. I fail to see the relevance of your links.

Actually, your eyes are closed and closed tightly.

Not only do you refuse to accept the possibility of any narrative other that your own.

You are actively disrespecting others such as our two fine barristers as if you believe yourself to be more knowledgeable about the law than they.


High on what you believe is a victory for your side, you are being a "Keyboard Commando" that is quickly burning ANY bridges of trust and respect that you have built through your in person interactions.

You might want to ask yourself if this is really the path that you want to travel down?

Is it worth the destruction of personal relationships that you have spent years building?

Dude, you have no room to speak of disrespect. You accused me of some grave bullshit, yet have not backed it up with one iota of evidence after I politely asked for it. I grew up in a backwater place where people spoke what they thought. But if they did they backed it up. How did I disrespect Oss or Jess ? Burning bridges of trust and respect ? Like saying falsehoods about someone and then going radio silent when asked for info ?

You really should've been a politician.

You speak exactly like one.


I spent considerable time gleaning through your past posts gathering evidence of your symphonizing with those who were burning US Cities down over the summer.

Before I could finish it the post had been locked and your "request" had been pulled from the thread.

Sounds like you're on the road to getting this thread locked as well.


It won't help because you'll just deflect and deny, But:

Here is the plain and simple truth on following rule of law.

Everyone should follow it, until that rule of law actively subverts or refuses to follow it's own rule of (natural and man made) law itself.  You may remember our founding fathers had to deal with this same issue for a number of hard years.

So when half the country (or so) sincerely believes they may have been disenfranchised of their sole form of getting to choose their own representative government, they may take that as a situation where the rule of law may be broken for good cause.  And right at the headquarters building too.

I once taught military policeman (and others) in use of force and laws of armed conflict.  In any kind of conflict, one of your best options is to use a slow escalation of force to bring the other side to a negotiated resolution without need for further conflict.  Just like throwing the tea in the harbor.

The events of 6 Jan were a quite modest demonstration of force.  (Though the redcoats are hunting for them.)

-----------------------------

I do not know if it was planned or spontaneous (soon after the Pense decision to approve the vote was published to the crowd, as has been reported by several first hand observers).  It wasn't very organized in execution to be preplaned, more like a bums rush and hail mary.  

It makes no difference in the end, but I am very curious.

And here's another fun fact:  

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers.  Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers.

Many of these men lost everything they had in the revolution and a few died.  But there is not a single report of any of them losing their bar cards or right to practice law for ethics violations.  

        

because they "sincerely believe" ? You gotta be kidding me ?



  

I really wonder why he went there?

This was his community. He lives 20-30 miles away, but worked as a lifeguard in Kenosha. He'd also been active in volunteer work cleaning up the damage and vandalism from the BLM/Antifa/Democrat "peaceful protesters" in the Kenosha community. After helping clean up graffiti from the local high school, he received word of a local business owner who's business had largely been destroyed asking for help defending what little was left.

And after reading the excellent The Federalist article posted by Britman, we understand that nearly all (if not every single one) of the violent rioters in Kenosha traveled much farther than Mr Rittenhouse did, to work their violence and destruction in that town.

He may not be a hero, and he certainly made some poor decisions, but he did as well as any 17yo well-meaning good Samaritan could be expected.... and better than most.  He is no murderer.

If a crowd attacks me and chases me down the street and knocks me to the ground and mobs me attempting to do me great bodily harm or death, I will certainly shoot them.  My life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is just as important as theirs.  And I am not a felon, but they are.  My purpose for being there was entirely law abiding and to help others, their purpose in being there was insurrection, violence, arson and assault, and to help no one.  

You have no idea why they were there.

You have no idea why they were there.

Yes, I do.  It's plain as day.

And as a retired lawyer, you ought to be able to distinguish that there is no legal (or otherwise) basis for accusing those people in the shooting incident of the arson. If you do have some information otherwise, it should be given to the authorities.

I take that as a no. That being the case, it would be irresponsible to declare his shooting as a righteous one. (I don't recall Alien saying they were "innocent citizens")

Dude attacks cops, is on the ground fighting with cops, stomps away and marches to his car, opens the door, reaches into the car like he's going to grab a gun, and gets shot.

Nope.

This was 100% a good shoot.

He's lucky to be alive.

I will call out bad cops all day long when they do wrong, but when a dude fights 'em, attacks 'em, evades lawful arrest, then makes motions that look 100% like he's going to get a gun outta his car? Totally justifiable shoot...

I haven't seen or read much besides what has been on the news. Can you point me to the info about him fighting, attacking, and evading the cops ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1uv7DU8Q2Y

You've got better eyes than I do. I couldn't make out much of what was going on there. Other than him walking away from the cops.

A rainbow flag, a don't tread on me flag, a bed sheet with writing telling the governor to send the bikers home. I couldn't read the other signs.

I don't think you guys got much to worry about.  

ANTIFA ? I thought antifa was an illegal,violent, anti fascist movement in response to the white Supremist movement ? It's hard to tell what's exactly going on in that video. But, it looked like a handful of locals who decided to go protest with signs in the middle of the street. I'd guess the big guy the cops took away wouldn't listen to what they told him to do. Then the cops escorted the other 4 or 5 down away from the bikers. Man, if these guys are Antifa, we got nothing to worry about !

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I have trouble equating the guy that I met in Roanoke, VA with the "Keyboard Commando" that is lurking here.

The guy in Roanoke was a decent guy.

The other guy most certainly is NOT.

[The emperor has no clothes]

This is your basis for saying that I condone rioting, looting, raping, killing ?


You got some pretty twisted logic going on there.

[3fan4life]

This is your basis for saying that I condone rioting, looting, raping, killing ?


You got some pretty twisted logic going on there.

Deny and Deflect all you want.


You have burned your final bridge with me.

It's been a long time since I have placed someone on the ignore list.


Welcome to the club. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

This is your basis for saying that I condone rioting, looting, raping, killing ?


You got some pretty twisted logic going on there.

Deny and Deflect all you want.


You have burned your final bridge with me.

It's been a long time since I have placed someone on the ignore list.


Welcome to the club. 

If I am blocked you won't see this anyway. But in case you haven't done it yet. How is what I said denying and deflecting ? Not one thing you highlighted or copied came even close to saying I was in favor of raping in the streets, looting, rioting, killing. I understand you don't like liberals. I understand you don't like me. But, be honest about what you write.

[Bret SD]

This is your basis for saying that I condone rioting, looting, raping, killing ?


You got some pretty twisted logic going on there.

Deny and Deflect all you want.


You have burned your final bridge with me.

It's been a long time since I have placed someone on the ignore list.


Welcome to the club. 

"you are ignoring this user" = ahhhhhhh 

[3fan4life]

This is your basis for saying that I condone rioting, looting, raping, killing ?


You got some pretty twisted logic going on there.

Deny and Deflect all you want.


You have burned your final bridge with me.

It's been a long time since I have placed someone on the ignore list.


Welcome to the club. 

"you are ignoring this user" = ahhhhhhh 

Yep. 99% of the stupid BS just disappeared from my screen.

[Valker]

I tolerated 44 (Obama) for 8 years and kept quiet. Here is my issue with the whole, “let us all be a United States again” that we heard from Joe Biden. For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops. The problem is 75 + million of us have memories longer than a hamster.
We remember the women’s march (vagina hats and all) the day after inauguration.
We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
We remember “not our president” and the “Resistance…”
We remember Maxine Waters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
We remember the President’s spokesperson being kicked out of  a restaurant.
We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed and fired from jobs.
We remember riots and looting.
We remember “a comedian” holding up the President’s severed head.
We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump.
We remember Robert de Niro yelling “F" Trump” at the Tony’s and getting a standing ovation.
We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
We remember the mainstream media.
We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
We remember non-stop, in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
We remember five Senators shot on a ballfield.
We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected, but they stayed.
This list is endless, but you get the idea. My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me.

[Leathel]

Ignor the reporting if you wish..........watch the video footage, I am surprised more weren't trampled to death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s&t=89s

[Bret SD]

Ignor the reporting if you wish..........watch the video footage, I am surprised more weren't trampled to death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s&t=89s

MSNBC   

Thanks for showing the Cap Police escorting antifa into the building 

[..]

Ignor the reporting if you wish..........watch the video footage, I am surprised more weren't trampled to death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s&t=89s

I'm not defending anything that happened on Wednesday. But that TV reporter said a lot of might have could have would have.