Abusive photo posts

[h13man]

At Honda Shadow Network, we  have a "General" discussion for everything but politics/religion. A "Technical" discussion, and a "Off Topic Discussion". The OTD part is kinda vague as info/subjects discussed there could be very easily be similar to the General Discussion topics. I suggest creating a Off Topic section for the political/religious subjects only.

I also inquired about this unique setup we have and was enlighten to the fact that if we didn't have all this political candor the site would lose attention. Kinda a damn if you do, damn you don't situation.

[BigInSeattle]

FB is 100000% a great Valkyrie community. Back in November, someone posted in a generic Valkyrie group, “Let’s see those Valkyrie” and 150 people replied with pics and pride of their bikes!

Hell, the VRCC FB group is extremely helpful and fun! Lots of replies to posts, people having fun. This place? Not so much. How do you guys get the same energy back to this site? Or is it too late?

[Skinhead]

How is having a separate board for political posts, that you would have to choose to open, any different than choosing to not open a political post on the general board?  Do we need a general board, a picture board, a ride board, a technical board?  We already have a 1500 and an 1800 tech board.  Was that because the old school guys got fired of sitting through the 1800 tech posts?  I used to be so over FB, still have my account, but won't go there anymore.  You are more than welcome to choose what works for you.   

[BigInSeattle]

I hear you, I don't like that I have to go to FB for all of the good Valkyrie related content but it is what it is. FB isn't playing around. They are killing a lot off old "Bulletin Board" based websites like this one.

This site used to be THE place to come to for Valkyrie related information. I guess I am just disappointed. I don't use FB for much of anything other than special interest groups and the Marketplace.

What I was proposing was hiding the political posts in another forum that is behind the "login wall", similar to a paywall on other sites. It is a matter of public perception and community building. IMHO (which isn't worth much), I don't think political posts should visible to the general public just browsing the site.

[Bret SD]

We should be doing everything in our power to make this a welcoming place for all Valkyrie enthusiasts. Instead, you guys have let this turn into a circle jerk of the same people posting the most nonsensical horseshit I’ve ever seen in my life.

A couple of weeks ago someone LITERALLY posted about the need to kill people “liberals”. The post was deleted but how this person is still allowed to post here is beyond me and frankly it is inexcusable. That is the kind of bullshit that will get you in trouble. But hey, free speech!

There are eleventybillion other places in the internet to act like this. I don’t think this should be one of them.

I understand the old timers wanting to “hash it out” and how you are all “old friends” but that just proves my point that you guys are not interested in community or building this club. You are only interested in fighting amongst yourselves at the cost of scaring people away. That’s a winning strategy for sure.

I can only imagine the look on a Honda executive’s if they were to look at this message board. Do you think they would want anything to do with it?

If we all think the Valkyrie is the greatest bike in the world, the club around it should be held to a higher standard. This should be the #1 place for all enthusiasts of the Valkyrie to discuss and learn.

I propose you keep politics in a separate board that is only available to those who are authenticated (logged into) the message boards. Keep the public face of the VRCC welcoming to all and keep the controversy to ourselves.

A couple of weeks ago someone LITERALLY posted about the need to kill people “liberals”.

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Actually, it was me and I said communists, and it was not appropriate.

My point in context was they're responsible for killing well over a hundred million people and counting. There is no negotiation with hardcore communists..

Not only did you take my point out of context but you actually quoted the word 'liberals' which is a lie.

[J.Mencalice]

We should be doing everything in our power to make this a welcoming place for all Valkyrie enthusiasts. Instead, you guys have let this turn into a circle jerk of the same people posting the most nonsensical horseshit I’ve ever seen in my life.

A couple of weeks ago someone LITERALLY posted about the need to kill people “liberals”. The post was deleted but how this person is still allowed to post here is beyond me and frankly it is inexcusable. That is the kind of bullshit that will get you in trouble. But hey, free speech!

There are eleventybillion other places in the internet to act like this. I don’t think this should be one of them.

I understand the old timers wanting to “hash it out” and how you are all “old friends” but that just proves my point that you guys are not interested in community or building this club. You are only interested in fighting amongst yourselves at the cost of scaring people away. That’s a winning strategy for sure.

I can only imagine the look on a Honda executive’s if they were to look at this message board. Do you think they would want anything to do with it?

If we all think the Valkyrie is the greatest bike in the world, the club around it should be held to a higher standard. This should be the #1 place for all enthusiasts of the Valkyrie to discuss and learn.

I propose you keep politics in a separate board that is only available to those who are authenticated (logged into) the message boards. Keep the public face of the VRCC welcoming to all and keep the controversy to ourselves.

Hear, hear!

[BigInSeattle]

Not only did you take my point out of context but you actually quoted the word 'liberals' which is a lie.

Well then that is on me. I apologize for using the wrong label

[Willow]

Not only did you take my point out of context but you actually quoted the word 'liberals' which is a lie.

Well then that is on me. I apologize for using the wrong label

Just so you know, reposting something that was deleted is a good way to get slapped down.

I agree with some of your points but I don't like them spread as criticism of how this board is run.  If you wish to communicate with the staff we are here and will listen.

I hate Facebook.  Facebook will eventually bring about the demise of this Valkyrie board.  I don't usually take kindly to someone coming here to promote Facebook.  If you prefer that platform then quietly go.  It rubs me much the wrong way to have someone register and then in a short time bring on a campaign about why he doesn't like this message board.

We are looking at how to deal with the deluge of political threads.  There are certainly a handful of members that are out of hand.  I don't oppose good respectful discussions regarding politics or anything but is seems some are intent on deluging and quickly becoming disrespectful.

Life goes on.  Let me know if you choose to set up and moderate your own board.

[Timbo1]

How is having a separate board for political posts, that you would have to choose to open, any different than choosing to not open a political post on the general board?  Do we need a general board, a picture board, a ride board, a technical board?  We already have a 1500 and an 1800 tech board.  Was that because the old school guys got fired of sitting through the 1800 tech posts?  I used to be so over FB, still have my account, but won't go there anymore.  You are more than welcome to choose what works for you.   

There's a number of reasons to have a forum organized and relevant to the primary purpose of that particular forum.  As it is now on the General board if I ignore the 8 sticky threads the political posts are up at around 55%-65% of the posts on the first page.  Only about 20% are bike, ride or Valk related.

1. That makes it difficult to navigate to relevant threads.
2. New viewers are more likely to leave a page sooner if the content is not relevant to what they thought the site or forum was about.
3. Viewers are less likely to engage since the content isn't about what they were looking for.
4. It's just not welcoming to new viewers to see a flood of political discussions / debates rather than Valkyrie or bike or ride related content.

Many forums do not allow political or religious posts.  It's their playground and can make those decisions.   It's not like there aren't a gazillion forums setup specifically for those topics anyway.

So to me it's not about stopping those that want to engage in those debates but more organizing them so they don't intrude or make it difficult on others that are primarily interested in motorcycles, rides etc..

Organization is important.  Take for example you have your digital pictures stored on your drive in "My Pictures"  Most people will not drop all their pictures into "My Pictures" folder mixed all together with everything else, they will create sub folders with names relevant to what event they took those pictures so they can easily identify & locate them later on.   The state of the General board is similar to dropping all political content into the same folder as all other content.

Aside from the State boards there are 5 boards:
General
1500 Tech Board
1800 Tech Board
The Classifieds
Inzane

My question is would it really take that much effort to have to click one more time on a "Political" link to have those discussions / debates outside of the General board?   I think that's a lot less effort than it takes those not interested in those topics to weed through what they aren't interested in.  It seems logical to me there's a need  to organize the political discussions with the volume of content on that topic.

[BigInSeattle]

I hate Facebook.  Facebook will eventually bring about the demise of this Valkyrie board.  I don't usually take kindly to someone coming here to promote Facebook.  If you prefer that platform then quietly go.  It rubs me much the wrong way to have someone register and then in a short time bring on a campaign about why he doesn't like this message board.

We are looking at how to deal with the deluge of political threads.  There are certainly a handful of members that are out of hand.  I don't oppose good respectful discussions regarding politics or anything but is seems some are intent on deluging and quickly becoming disrespectful.

Life goes on.  Let me know if you choose to set up and moderate your own board.

I'm really not trying to promote Facebook. I'm just pointing out that the Facebook VRCC Group page is more what I would expect from a group like this. Also, I'm also not a "new" member and I didn't "just register". I just haven't been around in a while. I guess I'm just disappointed in what I see here. It is disheartening to see all of the strife (that I seem to be contributing to now..dammit).

Now that I think of it, why would you guys hate Facebook? Isn't the Facebook VRCC group yours?

[Jess from VA]

What's facebook? 

(If you like your facebook, you can keep your facebook)

[Rams]

Personally, I think the staff do a wonderful job of trying to keep this board under control.
There are a few things in life that directly effect all of us, Religion (or lack there of), politics and our passions (in this case Valkyries).

All three effect how we live our lives.   I think this forum is very reflective of what is important (and not so important) in our lives today.   There are numerous threads that I never go into because, they either don't interest me or, I know how certain people's threads usually end up so, I don't go there.

Just my opinion, not everyone is going to agree but, it's all mine. 

Rams

[rocketray]

C'ant we all get along?....it seem Hell's 1/2 dozen should have their own "protected" place where they can piss and moan all they want with each other..but oh no...they need  targets

[Moonshot_1]

Well, personally, I think that all it really takes is some personal adulting. Don't like political posts? Don't open them or engage in them.

Actively post other things of interest. Lead by example here.

I know adulting is hard.

Maybe we can have a separate Snowflakes, Rainbows and Unicorns board.
No offensive posts allowed. Yeah, that'll do it.

The reality is that we are in unprecedented political times. It is the 2000 pound elephant in every room out there.

As to the apparent weak constitution of new members concerning the shock of politics on a general M/C board, anyone joining this board can readily see the value in it. The resources available here are self evident. To leverage that as an excuse to not "adult" in using this forum is ridiculous.



 

[Jess from VA]

Here's the last abusive photos.

[f6gal]

I hate Facebook.  Facebook will eventually bring about the demise of this Valkyrie board.  I don't usually take kindly to someone coming here to promote Facebook.  If you prefer that platform then quietly go.  It rubs me much the wrong way to have someone register and then in a short time bring on a campaign about why he doesn't like this message board.

We are looking at how to deal with the deluge of political threads.  There are certainly a handful of members that are out of hand.  I don't oppose good respectful discussions regarding politics or anything but is seems some are intent on deluging and quickly becoming disrespectful.

Life goes on.  Let me know if you choose to set up and moderate your own board.

I'm really not trying to promote Facebook. I'm just pointing out that the Facebook VRCC Group page is more what I would expect from a group like this. Also, I'm also not a "new" member and I didn't "just register". I just haven't been around in a while. I guess I'm just disappointed in what I see here. It is disheartening to see all of the strife (that I seem to be contributing to now..dammit).

Now that I think of it, why would you guys hate Facebook? Isn't the Facebook VRCC group yours?

The tech board and the classifieds cover most of the content that's on the FB VRCC group.  If you exclude those things plus any non-motorcycle topics, this board would cease to exist in short order.  The VOAi message board used that strategy.  They are gone now.  Toward the end, you could log in about once a month and cover all new posts within 15 minutes.
It may seem like an easy thing to address, but it's a bit more complicated than you imagine.  I would prefer that people who don't like political posts, would post content that's more to their liking.  If more people did that, the board wouldn't look like it's overrun with politics.

[Willow]

Now that I think of it, why would you guys hate Facebook? Isn't the Facebook VRCC group yours?

I spoke in the singular (I) and explained in the next sentence why.

Yours?  The English language is difficult sometimes with pronouns.  At least one of them was established by a staff member without consulting the rest of the staff.  I thought it was a stupid move but was done so someone else would not establish and own it.  It's not mine.  I don't bother to go there.

[f6john]

I would prefer that people who don't like political posts, would post content that's more to their liking.  If more people did that, the board wouldn't look like it's overrun with politics.
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The irony runs deep, what you suggest has been labeled abusive photo posts and a few of us had our hands slapped for having the audacity to push political posts off the most desirable real estate. So the fate of the board is sealed, whatever that may be, because everybody knows what a Valkyrie looks like.

If admin would prefer to delete this post (thread) all together, I would be fine with it, not that you need my permission.

[Serk]

Here's the last abusive photos.

I dunno, I think this Fiero powered Goldwing Trike might top 'em all:



(If you're morbidly curious, have a strong stomach, more pics and even, it's currently for sale! here:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/149831486912476/  )

[Hook#3287]

Serk, that's so ugly it's kinda cool

[Jess from VA]

Here's the last abusive photos.

I dunno, I think this Fiero powered Goldwing Trike might top 'em all:



(If you're morbidly curious, have a strong stomach, more pics and even, it's currently for sale! here:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/149831486912476/  )

Man, just what I've been looking for.  (Now where's that tannerite)   

[BigInSeattle]

Something we can all agree on? I'd take that for a spin for sure

[msb]

Here's the last abusive photos.

I dunno, I think this Fiero powered Goldwing Trike might top 'em all:



(If you're morbidly curious, have a strong stomach, more pics and even, it's currently for sale! here:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/149831486912476/  )

mmm...must be a kit out for these things. Ran into these guys a few years ago on a little road trip up North in the Mrs's Miata

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[Moonshot_1]

Do they make chrome flux capacitors? Looks like those units could use a chrome flux capacitor.

Back to the Future with motorcycles, or variants thereof.

Would be an awesome movie.

[Serk]

When I see those sort of things, while I sincerely admire the craftmanship that goes into making them, I can't help but think:

[Jess from VA]

The all time gold standard WTH were you thinking motorcycle.



I'd like to watch this running on the Skyline Drive, or in New York City, or a hill climb.  

It needed an explosive bolt ejection seat with driver parachute.  

Just who in the hell would ride in the passenger seat?  (besides my mother in law)

[Skinhead]

Do they make chrome flux capacitors? Looks like those units could use a chrome flux capacitor.

Back to the Future with motorcycles, or variants thereof.

Would be an awesome movie.

You would have to come up with the Mr. Fusion device to go along with the Flux Capacitor as not everyone has access to Plutonium needed to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of power.

[GiG]

Do they make chrome flux capacitors? Looks like those units could use a chrome flux capacitor.

Back to the Future with motorcycles, or variants thereof.

Would be an awesome movie.

You would have to come up with the Mr. Fusion device to go along with the Flux Capacitor as not everyone has access to Plutonium needed to generate the 1.21 gigawatts[/s] [/size]of power.

FIFY:

 1.21 jigawatts of power.

"Don't Call Me"           ~JiG~

[MarkT]

The "Road Dawg" is on display at the Nat'l Motorcycle Museum in Iowa.  Lookin at it, it's intimidating thinking of riding and not dropping it.

[Jess from VA]

The "Road Dawg" is on display at the Nat'l Motorcycle Museum in Iowa.  Lookin at it, it's intimidating thinking of riding and not dropping it.

What I can't understand from this famous photograph, is how the thing is steered. 

With about 5 feet of pullback on that handlebar (if that's what it is), he can't pivot that whole swing-arm boom out left and right to turn (much).

Or does the contraption he has his hand on turn the steering head with long cables?

I bet the turning radius was 170 feet.   

And without a reverse, you'd have to be followed around by a tow truck.

[GiG]

The all time gold standard WTH were you thinking motorcycle.



I'd like to watch this running on the Skyline Drive, or in New York City, or a hill climb.  

It needed an explosive bolt ejection seat with driver parachute.  

Just who in the hell would ride in the passenger seat?  (besides my mother in law)

Billed as the world's largest motorcycle when it first appeared in 1962, Roadog was 17 foot long and weighed 3,280 lbs.\nConstructed over 8 years in Gelbke's Chicago factory, it was powered by a four cylinder OHV engine from a Chevy Nova, had fully automatic transmission and could cruise easily at 100 mph. Four hydraulic jacks kept Roadog upright when stationary, and could also right the bike in case of a fall.
Roadog cost $40,000 USto build, with the frame constructed using aircraft tubing.

The bike was driven over 20,000 miles in its first year alone, and despite its "junkyard dog" looks was outstanding on the highway, designed for high speed, long distance cruising. The Roadog was claimed by Gelbke to feature the world's first automatic transmission on a motorcycle, and also came with crash bars front and rear, exceptional braking with hydraulic discs on front, full instrumentation, electric fuel system, plus provision for the removal of the motor, transmission, driveshaft and rear end within 15 minutes.

Before he died in 1979 - shot by police - Gelbke built nine slightly smaller Auto-Four motorbikes with a iew to a regular production program. They were actually tested by Yamaha in America, with Yoshi Tayanara the Testing Engineer stating, "They will never believe this in Japan!" Perhaps they still wouldn't today!






Clip ons?

[Jess from VA]

Now those pictures explain the steering.  Push/pull rods.

[GiG]

Now those pictures explain the steering.  Push/pull rods.

Yes, steering is a bit clearer.
Appears to be different bikes in the various pics, with the square cowling and tractor headlamps.
I want hydraulic jacks on ALL my bikes!