Abusive photo posts

[f6john]

I’ve slept on this subject to see if I would feel different today. I guess you could say I’m pissed that the idea of motorcycle pics on a motorcycle message board could be considered abusive. The whole idea seems to stink of the woke, controlling, and suppressive environment of our country. Any suggestion that political posts are abusive in one form or another is almost always shot down. How about all political posts be consolidated? As I’m not an admin and not a vendor like MarkT, I’m sure this suggestion will be shot down too. Anybody that thinks that motorcycle pics will be able to prevent political posts on the VRCC is delusional anyway. Some of the abusive photo posts actually started a small discussion of motorcycles!

I pledged not to participate or instigate any political posts this year, and now I will pledge not to post any abusive photo threads. About the only thing left for me to consider is if my participation on this message board is worthwhile for me or my interaction with other members.

[Rams]

About the only thing left for me to consider is if my participation on this message board is worthwhile for me or my interaction with other members.

I regret this decision but, it's your's to make.   Your leaving would leave a very large gap and I sincerely hope that does not come to pass.

Rams

[Alien]

I thought it was great.  I opened the forum and it was all Valkyrie pics.  Fantastic!!!!

Ride Safe,

Alien

[Jess from VA]

I don't mind posts of Valkyrie pictures.

Although I've known what Valkyries look like for many years.

Me personally, I'm proud to associate and talk with good patriots on this fine forum.  Truthfully, it's about the only place I get the opportunity.  

What I have to rethink is whether talking with the few nonpatriots at all has any redeeming benefits at all.  

[Alien]

I don't mind posts of Valkyrie pictures.

Although I've known what Valkyries look like for many years.

Me personally, I'm proud to associate and talk with good patriots on this fine forum.  Truthfully, it's about the only place I get the opportunity.  

What I have to rethink is whether talking with the few nonpatriots at all has any redeeming benefits at all.  

I'm not aware of any "nonpatriots" on this forum.  In fact, I think it is all of our deep seated patriotism that drives our sometimes spirited discussions.  Don't confuse different viewpoints with lack of love for our country.

Ride Safe,

Alien

[..]

I’ve slept on this subject to see if I would feel different today. I guess you could say I’m pissed that the idea of motorcycle pics on a motorcycle message board could be considered abusive. The whole idea seems to stink of the woke, controlling, and suppressive environment of our country. Any suggestion that political posts are abusive in one form or another is almost always shot down. How about all political posts be consolidated? As I’m not an admin and not a vendor like MarkT, I’m sure this suggestion will be shot down too. Anybody that thinks that motorcycle pics will be able to prevent political posts on the VRCC is delusional anyway. Some of the abusive photo posts actually started a small discussion of motorcycles!

I pledged not to participate or instigate any political posts this year, and now I will pledge not to post any abusive photo threads. About the only thing left for me to consider is if my participation on this message board is worthwhile for me or my interaction with other members.

Hang around. It'sa gonna be fun.

Batten down the hatches.

[Oss]

John

My memory of face to name is not what it once was.We meet so many at Inzane and there is so little time

If we have met and spoken in person, I hope it was fun

If not, and you leave the board discussion, please come to Inzane

Oss

But hope you stick around,

[Willow]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

[f6john]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

[..]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

Ome mans meat is another man's poison.

Keep on eating steak!

[The emperor has no clothes]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

Personally, I think the only way it can work is the way klb did it a few weeks ago. Where each person puts up their own pic, and maybe a little story to go with it. Just pics with no context from the same person loses its effect quickly. But, even klb's admirable attempt petered out quickly.  

[..]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

Personally, I think the only way it can work is the way klb did it a few weeks ago. Where each person puts up their own pic, and maybe a little story to go with it. Just pics with no context from the same person loses its effect quickly. But, even klb's admirable attempt petered out quickly.  

That has been tried many times and all to no avail.

Welcome to the VRCC political forum. Of which I am now a member once more.

[Skinhead]

I think the picture posts demonstrated a couple of things:

That motorcycle posts don't necessarily generate the same amount of discussion that the political posts do.  I like the MC posts, but have seen many pictures of Valkyries.  The crap going on in DC is unprecedented.

That if the political posts. are not allowed, there would probably be less activity on the board.

I don't understand what is so difficult about not reading a Political post if you don't like them.


We lost a lot of members on this board dude to the antagonism during the Bush and
Obama administrations/elections.  I deeply regret that, but I don't see those that left doing much posting on the FB pages either.  So I'm not certain eliminating political posts would have made much of a difference.  The bickering can get old, so if you can't handle it, don't participate.

I am trying to reduce my political involvement on here, but unfortunately there is too much going on right now to get to zero.  Things are so screwed up right now, that it is therapeutic to discuss it with friends I have made over the years.  I try to keep it respectful with a little chain pulling when appropriate.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

Personally, I think the only way it can work is the way klb did it a few weeks ago. Where each person puts up their own pic, and maybe a little story to go with it. Just pics with no context from the same person loses its effect quickly. But, even klb's admirable attempt petered out quickly.  

That has been tried many times and all to no avail.

Welcome to the VRCC political forum. Of which I am now a member once more.

It has always political here. (At least since 2011) But, there used to be a lot more general subject stuff. I miss the garage building, the construction stuff, the cooking, the stuff about grandkids, the banter between brothers, etc. Anymore, Bruce is about the only one who tells any stories about their life. He is the Master, and I love them and him. But, a lot of us could tell stories too. None of us are likely to be as good at it, but it sure could build us up as a group.

[Jess from VA]

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

And socialists claiming patriotism (in the US), is just one of many personal delusions.



  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

And socialists claiming patriotism (in the US), is just one of many personal delusions.



  

Exhibit #1 

[Jersey mike]

I enjoyed all the photos, I just didn’t comment on them.

[f6john]

I have never, I don’t think, advocated banning political posts. I have advocated for limiting, from self control, initiating and or participating just for the sake of argument. If anything I have proved for myself at least I can read every post political or otherwise without commenting in the political side of things so carry on as far as I’m concerned. But I do take exception to the abusive photo post and the resulting action, but it is what it is, life in 2021, what’s right is wrong and what is wrong is right, depending on your point of view, it’s different for everybody.

I enjoyed all the photos, I just didn’t comment on them.

Good to know, but they are a little harder to find now. Political posts now have the right of way, pics and stories and non political discussion to the back of the bus, page two if you will.

[Willow]

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

You got caught up in following someone else's improper lead.  If viewed individually yours were not offensive but I spent a long time dealing with the one flooding and just followed with the other two.

[f6john]

I fully understand your explanation and I suspected that the reason for the posts were to push the political posts around some and that was why I joined in. All my posts were added to achieve the same purpose but with some discussion initiated and continued which as with every post, some people were interested and some were not but my numerous posts were treated the same as if no discussion was involved. Once the consolidation occurred, it was pretty much discussion closed. I don’t see my participation as bad, or self centered but if that is how it is viewed I have no problem with discontinuing posting.

You got caught up in following someone else's improper lead.  If viewed individually yours were not offensive but I spent a long time dealing with the one flooding and just followed with the other two.

Understood, but the result is the same. Just so we are clear, I thought the picture posts were great and well received by most and I wanted to add to what I viewed as a positive for the board and any guest that may view the board from time to time. I did what I thought was best for the community, as did you.

[Willow]

... I wanted to add to what I viewed as a positive for the board and any guest that may view the board from time to time. ...

Please continue to do so.  What I found incorrect was one user starting enough "new topics" for the purpose of crowding everyone else off the page.

[..]

... I wanted to add to what I viewed as a positive for the board and any guest that may view the board from time to time. ...

Please continue to do so.  What I found incorrect was one user starting enough "new topics" for the purpose of crowding everyone else off the page.

The purpose of crowding the political posts off the front page. to make it look like a motorcycle forum. I'm quite happy now to join in with whatever type of forum the vrcc has become

[msb]

Sorry, I just had to.....

Imagine a first time Valkyrie owner just joining this forum to see what the Valkyrie community is all about and anticipating getting  to see lots of photos of other members' Valkyries. Then he sees this thread titled Abusive Photo Posts and starts thinking "uh oh, what have I got myself into...what kind of folks reside on here? " Then imagine his reaction when, after nervously clicking on the thread to see what kind of abusive photos members could possibly be posting on a Valkyrie motorcycle forum, he finds out that the abusive photo posts were of.....VALKYRIE MOTORCYCLES!!! Oh my, the horror!!!  

Yes, I do understand the context of this thread , but ya gotta admit, the thought of it does kinda  fit right in with some of the other bizzaro stuff going on these days  

[Timbo1]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

The other day I posted a response to a post showing the percentage of motorcycle or Valk related content on the main page of the General section and around 18% of the content was bike or Valk related with the majority of threads being Political or Covid at around 45%.   

Today I did the same and the numbers are similar and  are consistent with posts on the main landing page being Political at 52.5% while bike or Valk related content are 17.5%.


The number of threads pertaining to politics makes it difficult to weed through to find previous read threads that pertain to bikes or rides etc...   Or to find threads of interest that are not political in nature.   I'm sure you have access to more accurate web analytics than what I'm stating and you probably have the actual correct numbers overall.

So this brings me to the question of why couldn't you add a separate section for "Political" and allow those users that are inclined to participate in political discussions / debates have their own little sandbox to do so without cluttering up the main landing page of the General board?



Total Threads      40      
Sticky                      8      20.00%         
Political or Virus      21      52.50%
Motorcycle or Valkyrie   7      17.50%
Other                       4      10.00%

[baldo]

The abuse was not the pictures themselves but the attempt by the abusers to personally dominate the first page of the board.  Pictures were the easy way for one to start many "new topic" posts without bothering to type or discuss.

I don't disagree with the complaint regarding the disrespectful deluge of political threads but bad, self centered, behavior is not a good way to express displeasure at bad behavior.

Alien, I disagree.  The tories during the Revolution would have said they love their country but they were not patriots.

The other day I posted a response to a post showing the percentage of motorcycle or Valk related content on the main page of the General section and around 18% of the content was bike or Valk related with the majority of threads being Political or Covid at around 45%.   

Today I did the same and the numbers are similar and  are consistent with posts on the main landing page being Political at 52.5% while bike or Valk related content are 17.5%.


The number of threads pertaining to politics makes it difficult to weed through to find previous read threads that pertain to bikes or rides etc...   Or to find threads of interest that are not political in nature.   I'm sure you have access to more accurate web analytics than what I'm stating and you probably have the actual correct numbers overall.

So this brings me to the question of why couldn't you add a separate section for "Political" and allow those users that are inclined to participate in political discussions / debates have their own little sandbox to do so without cluttering up the main landing page of the General board?



Total Threads      40      
Sticky                      8      20.00%         
Political or Virus      21      52.50%
Motorcycle or Valkyrie   7      17.50%
Other                       4      10.00%

[MarkT]

F6J, you should disabuse yourself of the notion I get special treatment because I am a sponsor.  Or that I have high seniority.  Or whatever.  I just today had a post yanked on another thread because I apparently violated the rules of the road.  Which surprised me, I didn't have that in mind - but in making my point I offended the rules w/o that intent.  That point was about making political statements on your bike (or car) with bumper stickers - I don't do that anymore, and nearly everyone else around here doesn't either - though it used to be common.  I think that's about avoiding the current fad of road rage as well as vandalism like keying paint.

I was shocked at the blatant attempt to usurp control of the board by swamping it.  That attempt was obvious.  It was not the content of bike pics which I think is OK but adding another new content thread with little actual content but just one pic - EVERY MINUTE and deliberately moving all other posts off the first page.  I would have posted what I did about it no matter what the content. That flooding of the board certainly diluted the content value - especially if your platform suffers slow bandwidth as we have out here on the ranch right now.  Those posts should have been put together in one or just a few threads.  And if I was admin I would do the same as Carl did.

I have learned a lot of understanding and been impressed with the intellect of our membership from the political posts, especially lately since Nov 3 and since 1/6.  I have saved a number of those threads on my computer.  Helps me put together cogent arguments / understandings of our current climate.  I have to deal with an extended family of academics (several doctorates, all way left of center) and it helps me to read these viewpoints.  Ever try to discuss/argue politics with a Dr?  Like sparring with Mike Tyson. I only have an undergraduate degree - not in philosophy / logic / debate / law but computer science (though I had some classes in the former) - and I lived through the 60's and 70's including ganga adventures in Thailand during the nam.  Did some damage there.   I myself post much more on technical threads, my contributions there are worth more to me and others than anything political I might contribute.  Lately however the Tech board here has slowed down a lot so I also go on other boards to contribute there.  Unfortunately they are mostly FB, of which I am having trouble with Zuckerberg's policies lately.

And now I note another new member proposes the same idea we have heard repeatedly in the past, over the last 22 years - yes I have been here since the first week of the VRCC.  That idea, always proposed by a new member not familiar with our community, is to reformat the board and stick these "off topic" (topic being the Valkyrie) threads somewhere else.  It has been tried on some boards, and subsequently they folded.  Right now the political situation is the hottest topic in America and simply cannot be ignored.  Most or a lot of us, are friends for a long time and WANT to hash this stuff out.

[f6john]

F6J, you should disabuse yourself of the notion I get special treatment because I am a sponsor.  Or that I have high seniority.  Or whatever.  I just today had a post yanked on another thread because I apparently violated the rules of the road.  Which surprised me, I didn't have that in mind - but in making my point I offended the rules w/o that intent.  That point was about making political statements on your bike (or car) with bumper stickers - I don't do that anymore, and nearly everyone else around here doesn't either - though it used to be common.  I think that's about avoiding the current fad of road rage as well as vandalism like keying paint.

I was shocked at the blatant attempt to usurp control of the board by swamping it.  That attempt was obvious.  It was not the content of bike pics which I think is OK but adding another new content thread with little actual content but just one pic - EVERY MINUTE and deliberately moving all other posts off the first page.  I would have posted what I did about it no matter what the content. That flooding of the board certainly diluted the content value - especially if your platform suffers slow bandwidth as we have out here on the ranch right now.  Those posts should have been put together in one or just a few threads.  And if I was admin I would do the same as Carl did.

I have learned a lot of understanding and been impressed with the intellect of our membership from the political posts, especially lately since Nov 3 and since 1/6.  I have saved a number of those threads on my computer.  Helps me put together cogent arguments / understandings of our current climate.  I have to deal with an extended family of academics (several doctorates, all way left of center) and it helps me to read these viewpoints.  Ever try to discuss/argue politics with a Dr?  Like sparring with Mike Tyson. I only have an undergraduate degree - not in philosophy / logic / debate / law but computer science (though I had some classes in the former) - and I lived through the 60's and 70's including ganga adventures in Thailand during the nam.  Did some damage there.   I myself post much more on technical threads, my contributions there are worth more to me and others than anything political I might contribute.  Lately however the Tech board here has slowed down a lot so I also go on other boards to contribute there.  Unfortunately they are mostly FB, of which I am having trouble with Zuckerberg's policies lately.

And now I note another new member proposes the same idea we have heard repeatedly in the past, over the last 22 years - yes I have been here since the first week of the VRCC.  That idea, always proposed by a new member not familiar with our community, is to reformat the board and stick these "off topic" (topic being the Valkyrie) threads somewhere else.  It has been tried on some boards, and subsequently they folded.  Right now the political situation is the hottest topic in America and simply cannot be ignored.  Most or a lot of us, are friends for a long time and WANT to hash this stuff out.

I have no real belief that you ever received any special treatment and included your name to only point out that within minutes, hours whatever of your demand my posts were “consolidated” and discussion on them stopped. So congratulations you got got your way, which few people seem to do nowadays. In my opinion there was no way that 2 or 3 of us was going to have some radical effect on the makeup of the board or even the first page for more than the day. I’m somewhat surprised and somewhat disappointed in your part of this, but surprise and disappointment is a staple these days. You can be sure my days of posting general motorcycle pics and information is over. I will continue to read the board while everything is being “hashed” out.

[Jess from VA]

John, your motives and heart were pure.  Even if your method resulted in rebuke.

Don't take that hickup as a reason to abandon us.  We are all sinners here.

I enjoy and value all your posts and discussion input, and I'm certain others do as well.  Please keep them coming.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

John, your motives and heart were pure.  Even if your method resulted in rebuke.

Don't take that hickup as a reason to abandon us.  We are all sinners here.

I enjoy and value all your posts and discussion input, and I'm certain others do as well.  Please keep them coming.  

[MarkT]

F6J, you should disabuse yourself of the notion I get special treatment because I am a sponsor.  Or that I have high seniority.  Or whatever.  I just today had a post yanked on another thread because I apparently violated the rules of the road.  Which surprised me, I didn't have that in mind - but in making my point I offended the rules w/o that intent.  That point was about making political statements on your bike (or car) with bumper stickers - I don't do that anymore, and nearly everyone else around here doesn't either - though it used to be common.  I think that's about avoiding the current fad of road rage as well as vandalism like keying paint.

I was shocked at the blatant attempt to usurp control of the board by swamping it.  That attempt was obvious.  It was not the content of bike pics which I think is OK but adding another new content thread with little actual content but just one pic - EVERY MINUTE and deliberately moving all other posts off the first page.  I would have posted what I did about it no matter what the content. That flooding of the board certainly diluted the content value - especially if your platform suffers slow bandwidth as we have out here on the ranch right now.  Those posts should have been put together in one or just a few threads.  And if I was admin I would do the same as Carl did.

I have learned a lot of understanding and been impressed with the intellect of our membership from the political posts, especially lately since Nov 3 and since 1/6.  I have saved a number of those threads on my computer.  Helps me put together cogent arguments / understandings of our current climate.  I have to deal with an extended family of academics (several doctorates, all way left of center) and it helps me to read these viewpoints.  Ever try to discuss/argue politics with a Dr?  Like sparring with Mike Tyson. I only have an undergraduate degree - not in philosophy / logic / debate / law but computer science (though I had some classes in the former) - and I lived through the 60's and 70's including ganga adventures in Thailand during the nam.  Did some damage there.   I myself post much more on technical threads, my contributions there are worth more to me and others than anything political I might contribute.  Lately however the Tech board here has slowed down a lot so I also go on other boards to contribute there.  Unfortunately they are mostly FB, of which I am having trouble with Zuckerberg's policies lately.

And now I note another new member proposes the same idea we have heard repeatedly in the past, over the last 22 years - yes I have been here since the first week of the VRCC.  That idea, always proposed by a new member not familiar with our community, is to reformat the board and stick these "off topic" (topic being the Valkyrie) threads somewhere else.  It has been tried on some boards, and subsequently they folded.  Right now the political situation is the hottest topic in America and simply cannot be ignored.  Most or a lot of us, are friends for a long time and WANT to hash this stuff out.

I have no real belief that you ever received any special treatment and included your name to only point out that within minutes, hours whatever of your demand my posts were “consolidated” and discussion on them stopped. So congratulations you got got your way, which few people seem to do nowadays. In my opinion there was no way that 2 or 3 of us was going to have some radical effect on the makeup of the board or even the first page for more than the day. I’m somewhat surprised and somewhat disappointed in your part of this, but surprise and disappointment is a staple these days. You can be sure my days of posting general motorcycle pics and information is over. I will continue to read the board while everything is being “hashed” out.

FWIW it wasn't your posts I saw that I responded to - in fact I didn't see them.  But if you did the same as the original poster and the copycat then it was appropriate that Willow consolidated all of the similar abusing posts.  And I am certain Willow would have quickly done his same edits w/o my bringing it to his attention - likely as soon as he saw it w/o my pointing it out.  I didn't "get my way" - it was Carl's decision, he's admin.  BTW I was invited to co-administer this club 22 years ago by Gale Scalzi "Oz" and I declined as I was very busy building exhausts - then Lamont Bryden joined up with Gale.  They both have since left and Carl and others took over. So I was nearly an admin of this site - and if I had accepted I might still be, and you could be bitching at me for doing what Carl rightly did.  Certainly with the first posts, then quickly followed by a copycat then apparently you - so now there's a new hack going on, on our forum and how bad will this get if not stopped.  Glad Carl did stop it immediately.  Bad precedent pushing out actual sincere threads.

[Romeo]

I started ad stopped this comment at least five times. I finally realized the utter stupidity in it, I’m done. Seeya all in Athens.

[f6john]

I started ad stopped this comment at least five times. I finally realized the utter stupidity in it, I’m done. Seeya all in Athens.

Good move on your part I’m sure, I’m done with it too.

[Skinhead]

I would like to address the tech page comment.  I believe the slow down in traffic there is aresult of the time the site has been around and the age of our bikes.  Most if not all of the issues are known or have been documented.  Many times asearch will provide resolution to a problem.  New owners may not be aware of this.  This isn't so with political posts, which may require some debate.

[klb]

As the Copycat I want to apologize for any inconvenience I
caused anyone with all of the picture post I put on here.
I figured they would disappear pretty quick.
I have always tried to be helpful even going out at 10 at night
to take a pictures of a part of my bike someone needed to see
to compare to theirs. I guess the humor in this for me is
everything comes full circle. I haven't been called a Copycat
since I was 6 years old now I am 56. 50 year span..Not Bad.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As the Copycat I want to apologize for any inconvenience I
caused anyone with all of the picture post I put on here.
I figured they would disappear pretty quick.
I have always tried to be helpful even going out at 10 at night
to take a pictures of a part of my bike someone needed to see
to compare to theirs. I guess the humor in this for me is
everything comes full circle. I haven't been called a Copycat
since I was 6 years old now I am 56. 50 year span..Not Bad.

I think your original idea was brilliant ! (Even smarter than that Willow dude) Not many followed thru though  ???

[msb]

As the Copycat I want to apologize for any inconvenience I
caused anyone with all of the picture post I put on here.
I figured they would disappear pretty quick.
I have always tried to be helpful even going out at 10 at night
to take a pictures of a part of my bike someone needed to see
to compare to theirs. I guess the humor in this for me is
everything comes full circle. I haven't been called a Copycat
since I was 6 years old now I am 56. 50 year span..Not Bad.

I think your original idea was brilliant ! (Even smarter than that Willow dude) Not many followed thru though  ???

To be perfectly honest Rob (and also just a teeny bit sarcastic if I may  ) , for a guy who posts  or responds to posts as many times as you do.... and "apparently"  owns two Valkyries (I personally don't believe it as I've never seen a picture of the other one  ) ....and is now apparently retired .... and lives in a region where one can ride 12 months a year, you could single handedly bring back enough motorcycle content to this forum to satisfy those who are not currently satisfied, by getting that Green Interstate (and your supposed second bike...if it actually exists   ) out on the road and create enough content to committ maybe 10-15% of your posts or responses to motorcycle themed topics. That in alone would keep the first page of this forum filled with a healthy dose of  motorcycle content on a regular basis

[The emperor has no clothes]

As the Copycat I want to apologize for any inconvenience I
caused anyone with all of the picture post I put on here.
I figured they would disappear pretty quick.
I have always tried to be helpful even going out at 10 at night
to take a pictures of a part of my bike someone needed to see
to compare to theirs. I guess the humor in this for me is
everything comes full circle. I haven't been called a Copycat
since I was 6 years old now I am 56. 50 year span..Not Bad.

I think your original idea was brilliant ! (Even smarter than that Willow dude) Not many followed thru though  ???

To be perfectly honest Rob (and also just a teeny bit sarcastic if I may  ) , for a guy who posts  or responds to posts as many times as you do.... and "apparently"  owns two Valkyries (I personally don't believe it as I've never seen a picture of the other one  ) ....and is now apparently retired .... and lives in a region where one can ride 12 months a year, you could single handedly bring back enough motorcycle content to this forum to satisfy those who are not currently satisfied, by getting that Green Interstate (and your supposed second bike...if it actually exists  ) out on the road and create enough content to committ maybe 10-15% of your posts or responses to motorcycle themed topics. That in alone would keep the first page of this forum filled with a healthy dose of  motorcycle content on a regular basis

you give me way too much credit Mike. I looked for some pics of the blue bike, but they are all on photo bucket, and they are demanding a ransom from me. You know it's funny, I thought after retirement I would be riding all the time. But the motorhome remodel has been keeping me busy. Well, not really busy. I only work on it 2-4 hours a day. Covid has kind of tamped it down also. Now, I've got a fuel pump to replace on the truck. The shop wanted $750 to replace it. My Dad would be rolling over in his grave. So I got the Amazon people humping packages again, and $82 later I will have one here Wednesday. Staying up till 2am watching Netflix is hard work also. 

[Hook#3287]

Crap, where'd they go?

I enjoy all posts and really enjoyed actual pictures of actual motorcycles. 

Whatever Paul's motivations were/are I could not care less. It was a nice change to what this board has evolved into.

Maybe it could also be said that political posters are using the same process to push out motorcycle posts.

It sure seems that way at times.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Crap, where'd they go?

I enjoy all posts and really enjoyed actual pictures of actual motorcycles. 

Whatever Paul's motivations were/are I could not care less. It was a nice change to what this board has evolved into.

Maybe it could also be said that political posters are using the same process to push out motorcycle posts.

It sure seems that way at times.

You enjoy all posts ?  You are a better man than I Bill. There are some I can't even read. 

How you liking the Dakar so far ? I'm pulling for the privateer Skyler Howes from up the road in St. George.

[BigInSeattle]

We should be doing everything in our power to make this a welcoming place for all Valkyrie enthusiasts. Instead, you guys have let this turn into a circle jerk of the same people posting the most nonsensical horseshit I’ve ever seen in my life.

A couple of weeks ago someone LITERALLY posted about the need to kill people “liberals”. The post was deleted but how this person is still allowed to post here is beyond me and frankly it is inexcusable. That is the kind of bullshit that will get you in trouble. But hey, free speech!

There are eleventybillion other places in the internet to act like this. I don’t think this should be one of them.

I understand the old timers wanting to “hash it out” and how you are all “old friends” but that just proves my point that you guys are not interested in community or building this club. You are only interested in fighting amongst yourselves at the cost of scaring people away. That’s a winning strategy for sure.

I can only imagine the look on a Honda executive’s if they were to look at this message board. Do you think they would want anything to do with it?

If we all think the Valkyrie is the greatest bike in the world, the club around it should be held to a higher standard. This should be the #1 place for all enthusiasts of the Valkyrie to discuss and learn.

I propose you keep politics in a separate board that is only available to those who are authenticated (logged into) the message boards. Keep the public face of the VRCC welcoming to all and keep the controversy to ourselves.