Schools Reopening?

[Rams]

Interested in your opinions.

Personally, I've looked at as many of the different factors as I can find and how kids not being in an actual school with everything that offers.
I've also been reading and hearing about some teacher unions that won't come back and do their jobs due to concerns for their own safety.

IMHO, kids need to be back in school, parents need their kids in school for many different reasons.   Some school districts are considering extending the school year into the summer to make up for what kids have lost out on.   

Life is a risk and we've all chosen our different paths.   If you don't like the path you're on, then take the Y in the road and take a different path.
Teachers, get your asses back in the class room or find something else to do.

Public employees do not (IMO), have the right to strike.   LEOs, FIre Fighters, DOT, ATC, the military and all the others, they chose their paths, teachers are included.   Do your fricking Jobs.

Rams

[Valkorado]

Kids should be in school.   Period.

[Chrisj CMA]

This is how it should be.

We should be stocking up on the medicines that treat the illness.

Open everything up as normal

Be smart wash your hands and go to the dr if you get too sick. Like normal

If you want a kung flu vaccine get it if not don’t. Just like the normal flu shot

It’s really not that hard if you take politics out of it

[Serk]

It's good to be in a semi-sane state... Our kids have been back in the classroom since September.

The district gives parents a choice, remote or in person. It seems to be about 50/50 but more and more are showing up in person as time goes on.

Having and keeping the systems in place for remote also makes it easier if a family truly needs to quarantine, they can continue keeping up with classes during that period before they return to in class learning.

[Rams]

It's good to be in a semi-sane state... Our kids have been back in the classroom since September.

The district gives parents a choice, remote or in person. It seems to be about 50/50 but more and more are showing up in person as time goes on.

Having and keeping the systems in place for remote also makes it easier if a family truly needs to quarantine, they can continue keeping up with classes during that period before they return to in class learning.

That seems like a very viable option for the kids, parents and teachers.

Rams

[..]

The private school I drive for closed early back in May 2020. Pushed back reopening for 3 weeks. Closed for an extra week over Christmas/New Year.

[0leman]

Our local schools opened up several weeks ago, even though we still have a number of new cases being reported for the county.    Our Governor decided that teachers needed to get the vaccine, so all the teachers got shots (don't know how many local ones said no).   My daughter is a speech pathologist, who works closely with grade school kids  Glad she got the vaccine.   She has a plastic screen between the kids she works with.   Not sure how the other teachers are handling it.

Strange seeing kids get on the bus in front of our home.   

[Rams]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  If they turned down getting the vaccine and still refuse to do their jobs, (IMHO) they need to find a new line of work.

Although, I've already been vaccinated, had I not, I would even support them going ahead of my group just like all the other Public Service folks out there that we need to facilitate our society. But, that doesn't mean I accept such excuses as are being presented to not do their jobs. If they can't get it done, find another employment opportunity with less risk than the one they chose.
Obviously, not everyone agrees and that's alright but, letting those school districts and other elected officials know what we want is up to us. I encourage all to do so. They do work for us ya know.

Rams

[Valkorado]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  If they turned down getting the vaccine and still refuse to do their jobs, (IMHO) they need to find a new line of work.

Although, I've already been vaccinated, had I not, I would even support them going ahead of my group just like all the other Public Service folks out there that we need to facilitate our society. But, that doesn't mean I accept such excuses as are being presented to not do their jobs. If they can't get it done, find another employment opportunity with less risk than the one they chose.
Obviously, not everyone agrees and that's alright but, letting those school districts and other elected officials know what we want is up to us. I encourage all to do so. They do work for us ya know.

Rams

Agree with all this.

[Moonshot_1]

I do believe schools should reopen and never thought they should have closed down in the first place.

We get told to follow the science. When we do we get told "Not that science". Seems it changes up month to month.

But lets take the "Schools should remain closed until it is safe" perspective.

What is the metric that defines safe in this case? As long as kids get sick, be it a cold, flu, headache, or what ever malady, there will forever be a "We must be safe and close the school down."

So if such is the case then we must re-think the entire educational process starting right now.

Private schools, home schooling, charter schools.  Educational tax breaks and credits to let parents choose not only the school, but the risk as well as we have declared public schools unsafe.

Obviously the teachers and their union have determined that such conditions exist that makes their job a life threatening proposition. I do side with the teachers and their unions and support ending public school education in favor of less risky alternatives.

[Patrick]

I believe schools should not have been closed.

Its about time they reopen. Everyone seemed to argue against it, but, now the ole joe is in he is changing his mind and will now get them open. Even crazy lori wants the schools open now.

[scooperhsd]

I could see the point when we didn't know that children were not big spreaders and going to school would not be a superspreader event. The older the kids, the more like adults they are - so naturally, college / university would be the super spreader now - but even some of them are opening with appropriate precautions. Public schools should be opening - the sooner the better for the kids.

[Willow]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

[Valkorado]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

If it makes them feel safer and gets them back in the classroom, let them have the vaccine.  Pronto!

[Willow]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

If it makes them feel safer and gets them back in the classroom, let them have the vaccine.  Pronto!

The point was whether they among those who wish to have the vaccine should be moved to the head of the line.  I repeat that too many of us are choosing our positions based upon emotional response to media driven panic.

We (not I but some of us) seem forget that for every person moved up on the list someone is bumped further down on the list.

[Rams]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

If it makes them feel safer and gets them back in the classroom, let them have the vaccine.  Pronto!

The point was whether they among those who wish to have the vaccine should be moved to the head of the line.  I repeat that too many of us are choosing our positions based upon emotional response to media driven panic.

We (not I but some of us) seem forget that for every person moved up on the list someone is bumped further down on the list.

While Carl is correct, it comes down to priorities.   What’s or who is most important doesn’t it.  Of course every one of us should make decisions  based on our own perspectives, priorities and what the individual believes is ultimately the right thing to do.   I have stated my position.   Not all will agree. 

Rams

[Bighead]

They have been in school in my county for nearly the whole thing.

[Rams]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

Reference the first sentence of the quoted post.   Yes really.   It's not what I think about the studies, it's what the teacher's and their unions are thinking and using to stay out of the class room.   Personally, if I was a teacher I'd already be back in the class room and the union would be harassing me.    

Reference the second sentence, I agree that the mass media has caused a lot of panic and yet, the Pandemic is still surging.   Maybe if people would follow the CDC guidance we could have had this pandemic under control sooner.   I'm no expert but, following CDC guidance doesn't take much of a emotional response, even if COVID 19 death rates are supposedly low.  I do find much of what's reported to be biased.   COVID 19 is proven to be highly contagious and debilitating to just about everyone who has been exposed.   That's not to suggest I like wearing a mask.  

If, this is an emotional response, just color me guilty.  

Rams

Rams

[Willow]

I actually support teachers being in one of the higher groups for getting a COVID vaccine (assuming they chose to do so).  ...

Really?  Despite that studies have shown it's unusually for children to get the disease and even more unusual for them to spread it?

Too many of us are choosing our positions on emotional response to media driven panic.

Reference the first sentence of the quoted post.   Yes really.   It's not what I think about the studies, it's what the teacher's and their unions are thinking and using to stay out of the class room.   Personally, if I was a teacher I'd already be back in the class room and the union would be harassing me.    

Reference the second sentence, I agree that the mass media has caused a lot of panic and yet, the Pandemic is still surging.   Maybe if people would follow the CDC guidance we could have had this pandemic under control sooner.   I'm no expert but, following CDC guidance doesn't take much of a emotional response, even if COVID 19 death rates are supposedly low.  I do find much of what's reported to be biased.   COVID 19 is proven to be highly contagious and debilitating to just about everyone who has been exposed.   That's not to suggest I like wearing a mask.  

If, this is an emotional response, just color me guilty.  

I was referencing that first sentence.  I'm not pro-vaccine but I don't think it's quite right to put low risk elementary teachers at the front of the line pushing truly higher risk people down.  I'm not big into placating certain professionals at the expense of others just to get them to do their jobs.

Following the guidance of the CDC will get this pandemic under control?  Is the annual flu under control?  Even after all these years it still kills thirty to sixty thousand people every year.  The CDC has changed their instructions several times regarding this virus. 

Debilitating to everyone to just about everyone who gets exposed?  Not so.  Many, maybe most, that are exposed don't even get the disease.  Of those who do the majority seem to have mild cases some even less impacting than the annual flu.  It does result in some deaths.  It is serious.  We need to treat it seriously.  We need to wash our hands more often, keep our hands away from our facial orifices, sanitize our eating surfaces, and watch where we put our hands unnecessarily.

It is.  Consider yourself painted but we can still be friends.      

[Jess from VA]

Split it down the middle; move old teachers and/or those with morbidities up the ladder, and leave the young ones down where they should be. 

The combined ages of my 1st through 6th grade teaches was like 400 years (and every one of them was outstanding). 

[Rams]

It is.  Consider yourself painted but we can still be friends.    

Never considered it otherwise.  
Heard this somewhere, I think it's applicable.   The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Everyone has the right to be wrong now and then.  

Rams  

[cookiedough]

Our small school of K-12 about 20-25 kids each year class in southern WI has always been open all thru Covid never heard of many issues.  My daughter was student teaching in northern WI in small rural same size about school system and they were also in person all the time, although she said cases of COVID up there with kids out testing positive but not very widespread.  Results may vary am sure where at and school size being bigger, etc.

I do NOT like my college age kids me paying all their tuition NO discount due to Covid virtual learning BS at a UW school system and being somewhat taught thru virtual learning BS.  Some classes in college MUST BE HANDS on and both my kids say that as well some classes o.k. virtual some impossible to learn unless IN CLASS hands on learning.    One class kid took in college last semester teacher gave them a pass/fail grade vs. letter grade since if a letter grade 90% would be D or F no one got over a C simply impossible to do  virtual learning in that one class.


by the way Serk,  you got a punk rocker on the right in the future and the young cute girl in the middle you will be needing a shotgun to keep the boys at bay in a few more years.   I chased off 1 boy no good for my girl age 16 or so about 6 years ago even had to call the local sheriff's dept. to give him a talking to or he would be 6 ft under by me.    local Sheriff told him if he has any contact with my daughter again even texting he will be arrested it was that bad.     Wife convinced me from not going over to his house directly and beat him to a pulp.

[Serk]

by the way Serk,  you got a punk rocker on the right in the future and the young cute girl in the middle you will be needing a shotgun to keep the boys at bay in a few more years. 

Teaching her to handle herself, although Daddy will always be here until I'm not.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfgK5UxiSg

And yes, the Flu kills many every year..... Here's the thing though.... I've never in my almost 50 years on this planet, personally known someone who died from the Flu....

...I'm up to almost a dozen that I knew, personally, who died from complications from the China Virus.....

[Skinhead]

Teachers should not be unionized.  They have done nothing to better the quality of our children's education, and in my opinion, they have harmed it.  If the school is open and a teacher doesn't want to work,  they get no $$, period.  I've had enough of this crap.

[scooperhsd]

As I remember most of my teachers - they were not absent except for good reasons (sick, athletic coach, etc.) Course. I graduated High School in 1978 (at age17).