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[f6gal]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.  

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)  

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting.  

...do with your disdain of carbs, ONLY riding 1800 Valks now, no 1500 Valks any longer?

Haha!  Nice shot!  I have no disdain for carbs, I miss the dietary ones.  There are still 30 Valkyrie carbs in the garage.  

[Rams]

 There are still 30 Valkyrie carbs in the garage.  

My first thought was, oh no, she's turned to hoarding.   But, as long as those bikes get their due in exercise, I'm sure they've found a good home. 

Rams

[scooperhsd]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.   

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)   

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting. 

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ? 
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

[Valkorado]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.  

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)  

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting.  

...do with your disdain of carbs, ONLY riding 1800 Valks now, no 1500 Valks any longer?

If she's done with carbs she can contact me regarding the sale of that gorgeous red dragon bike.

[hubcapsc]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.   

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)   

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting. 

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ? 
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

When I look at my "blood work" results it is called a "lipid table" and
all I see is that I've recently edged over the line with respect to
all the different cholesterol readings  ... anywho, I've changed
my diet a little bit, no milk anymore, no store bought cookies and
I cook oatmeal every morning. I hope the cholesterol numbers go
back down, they've scheduled me to come in again next
month and have another look. What kind of "blood work"
do you get in order to find out about "A1C" and stuff? My
blood pressure is always good, is that a reason to not bother
checking someone for diabetes?

-Mike "ida know..."

[Bret SD]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.  

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)  

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting.  

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ?  
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

When I look at my "blood work" results it is called a "lipid table" and
all I see is that I've recently edged over the line with respect to
all the different cholesterol readings   ... anywho, I've changed
my diet a little bit, no milk anymore, no store bought cookies and
I cook oatmeal every morning. I hope the cholesterol numbers go
back down, they've scheduled me to come in again next
month and have another look. What kind of "blood work"
do you get in order to find out about "A1C" and stuff? My
blood pressure is always good, is that a reason to not bother
checking someone for diabetes?

-Mike "ida know..."

Mike, if you read through this whole site you may find some things to help you.. my girl had borderline cholesterol readings and her doc wanted her to take meds soon.
That was 3 years ago, since then her 'numbers' have been perfect, and without drugs. A modest regimen of Niacin and Vitamin C made the difference, safe and natural nutrients anybody can benefit from.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/

This is not medical advice, rather educational advice where folks can get off the chemical treadmill leading to nowhere. Many doctors worldwide advocate for orthomolecular medicine. Fasting and natural medicine are very effective against what's called Type 2 diabetes (which is a made up 'disease').. and safe.

[scooperhsd]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.   

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)   

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting. 

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ? 
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

When I look at my "blood work" results it is called a "lipid table" and
all I see is that I've recently edged over the line with respect to
all the different cholesterol readings  ... anywho, I've changed
my diet a little bit, no milk anymore, no store bought cookies and
I cook oatmeal every morning. I hope the cholesterol numbers go
back down, they've scheduled me to come in again next
month and have another look. What kind of "blood work"
do you get in order to find out about "A1C" and stuff? My
blood pressure is always good, is that a reason to not bother
checking someone for diabetes?

-Mike "ida know..."

Usually the best diagnosis of Type 2 Diabetes is when your A1C is over the normals for a non-diabetic. You might see this listed as HbA1C.
For myself - one of the indicators was mood / agressiveness at work - I liken it to my coworkers were "throwing a steak into the lion cage to checkout his mood", and then a routine physical with my primary care showed an A1C of 8.4 or higher (NOT GOOD). Very modest drugs were prescribed (20 Mg glimipiride, 1000 Mg metforemen, lisinipril, and a statin for my moderately high cholesteral). He also recommended I lose about a third of my current body weight (at the time I was pushing 270 on a 6 ft frame) (like that amount of weight loss was going to happen - I hadn't (still haven't ) been under 200 since I graduated from college) and start exercising ( which I try to  do). He also sent me to a class on how to deal with diabetes (covered diet and exercise and how it all interacted). I'm slowly losing weight (I was down to 245-  250 right before the pandemic), and the mild prescriptions have got me back on the right track. I caution you that everybody is different - you need to listen to your primary care / endocronoligist (SP) as to what is appropriate for you. I see my primary care every 6 months where she pulls another blood test to check my A1C and other things they monitor, and I see an eye doctor (usually an optometrist (they can prescribe glasses and contacts) or an opthalmologist (they are doctors who can operate on your eyes) for a diabetic eye exam annually.

Blood pressure / pulse - I'm blessed with a really robust system here - I'm usually at 120/70 or something close, with a resting pulse of 65 (goes down below 60 with even a modest amount of exercise). Blood pressure / pulse is not an indicator so far as I know.

[f6gal]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.  

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)  

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting.  

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ?  
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

For people without diabetes, the normal range for the HbA1c is 4 - 5.6.  Pre-Diabetes is 5.7 - 6.4. 6.5 or higher means you have diabetes.  

If you have the numbers you noted (without being medicated), you are pre-diabetic.  They won't medicate for that typically, but some doctors think it's a good idea to start metformin.  If you've got about 20 pounds to lose, that will improve that number.

For me, I want to get below 5.6 without medication.  Right now, I'm at 6, but that's with metformin.

[f6gal]

LOL.  I agree with everything you said, grasshopper.  Except the popcorn... I'm off carbs for the time being. Cry

I lied about the popcorn.  It's not the carbs for me, it's bad for the teeth.  I still have a bunch of it in my pantry, but I look at it as disaster preparedness food.  

I eat what I want, I just try to have as little as possible of everything.  (it doesn't work as well as I'd hoped, but I keep at it)  

I miss carbs (I'll admit I fall short on occasion).  Once I officially achieve a non-diabetic HbA1c, my strategy will be close to yours, but with some calorie counting.  

What is considered a "non-diabetic A1C " ?  
My last 3 have been 6.1, 6.1, and 6.0
And I eat whatever whenever I want (I do exercise some carb restraint, but I admit I could do better) .

When I look at my "blood work" results it is called a "lipid table" and
all I see is that I've recently edged over the line with respect to
all the different cholesterol readings   ... anywho, I've changed
my diet a little bit, no milk anymore, no store bought cookies and
I cook oatmeal every morning. I hope the cholesterol numbers go
back down, they've scheduled me to come in again next
month and have another look. What kind of "blood work"
do you get in order to find out about "A1C" and stuff? My
blood pressure is always good, is that a reason to not bother
checking someone for diabetes?

-Mike "ida know..."

It's a blood test; your doc can add it to your labs if you want to know.  Try some fish oil supplements for the lipids.

[hubcapsc]

where folks can get off the chemical treadmill leading to nowhere.

Alls I know is I don't want to start taking statins... I don't have any
prescribed medicines, I'd like to keep it that way. I hope my diet
change helps... cooking oatmeal every morning is a big change.
There's plenty of people, some of them on this board, who say that
their numbers went down when they started eating oatmeal every day.
I usually have smoked ribs on Friday night   ... anywho...
cholesterol is the only thing I have to worry about that I know of and
my numbers have only gone a little over the recommendations
in the last year or so...

I don't have any reason to think I have any reason to worry about
diabetes, I just don't see, or maybe don't know how to look for,
this "a1c" stuff listed in my blood work reports... Ever since my
country Dr. retired five or six years ago, I've been seeing Drs associated
with the major hospital in this region, and all my notes and statistics are
on that "mychart" thing that I can see and all of them too...

I tried some of that meatless meat a few months ago... I don't recommend it.

-Mike

[hubcapsc]

your doc can add it to your labs if you want to know.

I figgered I'd have to ask for it... I asked them to add the "prostate
health" check (PSA) on the last one, and it came out OK. I'm
guessing there's some reason they haven't gone out of their
way to look for (that I know of) signs of diabetes, maybe
I just don't show signs (good blood pressure?) of having it?
I'll ask in a month when I go back.

Try some fish oil supplements for the lipids.

I eat a half pound of salmon almost every week, so that
gets some fish oil in me...

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

where folks can get off the chemical treadmill leading to nowhere.

Alls I know is I don't want to start taking statins... I don't have any
prescribed medicines, I'd like to keep it that way. I hope my diet
change helps... cooking oatmeal every morning is a big change.
There's plenty of people, some of them on this board, who say that
their numbers went down when they started eating oatmeal every day.
I usually have smoked ribs on Friday night   ... anywho...
cholesterol is the only thing I have to worry about that I know of and
my numbers have only gone a little over the recommendations
in the last year or so...

I don't have any reason to think I have any reason to worry about
diabetes, I just don't see, or maybe don't know how to look for,
this "a1c" stuff listed in my blood work reports... Ever since my
country Dr. retired five or six years ago, I've been seeing Drs associated
with the major hospital in this region, and all my notes and statistics are
on that "mychart" thing that I can see and all of them too...

I tried some of that meatless meat a few months ago... I don't recommend it.

-Mike

I don’t pretend to be knowledgeable about this stuff. But, I’m surrounded by family that have diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol. I’ve been lucky in my life. Never had any problems. But I have had high cholesterol as long as I can remember though. The first time I had it checked I was about 25 years old. They brought in these nurses at work to check everyone’s health. Mine was 250 and everybody was freaking out like I was going to die within the month. Luckily I survived the month and went on living. About 15 years ago I had to go to the doctor about a herniated disc. Along with all the stuff they do, they tested my cholesterol and sure enough it was about 280. He put me on some common statin drug. I took it for a year or so, and it came down a little to 230 or so. I quit getting it refilled and just went on with life. I’m sure it’s still high.
 My wife has a whole cabinet filled with diabetes, blood pressure, cholesterol drugs. I think she would be in a world of hurt if she didn’t take them. I imagine she’ll be shooting insulin one of these days.

(I have no idea why people eat that meatless meat)

[Serk]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

[BigInSeattle]

I 100% think this Covid business is almost over. Cases are dropping like it is a race to the bottom in basically all of the states. Vaccinated vulnerable people are going to help with hospitalizations and deaths. I firmly believe in April or May, there is going to be tremendous pressure to open everything back up.

My state of WA is starting, 90% of the state is open to indoor dining and other restrictions are starting to slip away.

All of this talk of the variants is amounting to nothing (so far), all of the places with the variants have been reported also have lowered numbers. The media is trying to make these variants Covid 2.0 but I don't see it happening. King County in WA where Seattle is had a total of 60, SIXTY confirmed cases in a county of 2.25 million people yesterday, the 11th.

I'm very hopeful this is almost over.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I 100% think this Covid business is almost over. Cases are dropping like it is a race to the bottom in basically all of the states. Vaccinated vulnerable people are going to help with hospitalizations and deaths. I firmly believe in April or May, there is going to be tremendous pressure to open everything back up.

My state of WA is starting, 90% of the state is open to indoor dining and other restrictions are starting to slip away.

All of this talk of the variants is amounting to nothing (so far), all of the places with the variants have been reported also have lowered numbers. The media is trying to make these variants Covid 2.0 but I don't see it happening. King County in WA where Seattle is had a total of 60, SIXTY confirmed cases in a county of 2.25 million people yesterday, the 11th.

I'm very hopeful this is almost over.

I’m hopeful also.

[Bret SD]

where folks can get off the chemical treadmill leading to nowhere.

Alls I know is I don't want to start taking statins... I don't have any
prescribed medicines, I'd like to keep it that way. I hope my diet
change helps... cooking oatmeal every morning is a big change.
There's plenty of people, some of them on this board, who say that
their numbers went down when they started eating oatmeal every day.
I usually have smoked ribs on Friday night  ... anywho...
cholesterol is the only thing I have to worry about that I know of and
my numbers have only gone a little over the recommendations
in the last year or so...

I don't have any reason to think I have any reason to worry about
diabetes, I just don't see, or maybe don't know how to look for,
this "a1c" stuff listed in my blood work reports... Ever since my
country Dr. retired five or six years ago, I've been seeing Drs associated
with the major hospital in this region, and all my notes and statistics are
on that "mychart" thing that I can see and all of them too...

I tried some of that meatless meat a few months ago... I don't recommend it.

-Mike

Meatless meat.. The concept boggles my mind, they tried to make meatless meat taste like meat and have the chewing consistency of meat.. People who enjoy the taste and texture of meat and don't eat it I suppose are the ones they target. 

I've eaten oatmeal every morning for years and years, along with three or four eggs. My diet is pretty heavy in fats and proteins with some carbs strategically sprinkled in there. The carbs I eat are mostly brown rice, yams, russet potatoes, sweet potatoes.. I eat tons of Kerrygold butter, if you eat fats along with carbs it cuts the glycemic index dramatically. Another strategy is to eat a handful of almonds, doing that before eating an apple will cut the glycemic index in half.

I'm not a believer in the Lipid Theory, that is to say I don't believe diet has a direct correlation to cholesterol levels. Taking a modest dose of vitamin C daily will keep your arterial walls in better shape. One of the jobs of cholesterol is to patching up micro fissures in arterial walls.. Keeping the pipes healthy and flexible will improve your cardiovascular health dramatically.

Daily dosing of niacin and vitamin C is very effective for managing cholesterol. There seem to be two emerging schools of thought among doctors regarding cholesterol, one is the old traditional while the other takes into account lipid size and other factors. My girl's doctor is one who subscribes to the newer school of thought, and by the way, she's completely on board with the regimen of niacin and vitamin C vs statins, which I find very refreshing.

If you want to avoid blood sugar problems and have an overall Better Health profile, I would start getting used to intermittent fasting. I fast at least 16 hours per day, using the overnight hours as easy time. My last eating is usually around 6:30 p.m., then I don't eat until 11 or 12 the following morning. The fasting police might arrest me because I do drink coffee with a small splash of milk in it, I enjoy coffee and my fasts are still very effective. Every so often I'll do a 24 to 36 hour fast, it's a great time for your body to make needed repairs.

Avoid junk carbs at all cost.. bread (except Ezekial), pastas, cake, cookies.. Anything made with processed flour. I also avoid eating wheat products for the most part and drinking beer, occasionally I will have one beer but it's not very often (I like Becks), usually it's wine or whiskey for me and that's once a week at most.

We have all the power in the world when it comes to controlling our health through diet, exercise, and taking natural supplements.

[scooperhsd]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

[Bret SD]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

What is a typical day for you as far as eating if you don't mind sharing? Specifically, what and when and how much do you eat?

[hubcapsc]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

[scooperhsd]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

What is a typical day for you as far as eating if you don't mind sharing? Specifically, what and when and how much do you eat?

Breakfast - usually around 0730-0800 (at least M-F) 1 bowl cereal w / 2% milk, ~8oz Diet Cranberry juice.
Saturday is usally oatmeal, (3/4 cup old fashioned or 12 cup old fashion w/1/4 cup quick cooking), with 2% milk (sometimes with Dark Choclate chips in it), ~8oz diet cranberry juice. SUnday brunch - we have a set of things we like - pancakes, waffles, french toast, scrambled eggs with bacon or sausage. glass 2% milk and diet cranberry juice at home. SOmetimes we go out for brunch.

some time during the morning or afternoon - 4pieces Dove Dark Chocolate, 12-14 oz Diet Pepsi (my caffiene) 12-14 oz water

Lunch - usually 1 sandwich with 3-4 slices thin lunchmeat, 1 slice provolone cheese. Bread is whole wheat. Handful of chips. Some fruit (1 apple / 1 orange / 1 bananna). glass (12-14 oz ) water

afternoon - glass water (12-14 oz), some snack (homebaked cooky if I have them) or some other nut bar from Aldi. Sometimes some handfuls of Cashews (salted) from Aldi.

Evening meal - 2 glasses iced tea (12-14 oz), some main dish / sides. If we decide to go out, maindish with water / iced tea. Once in a while (rarely) a beer or some other alcoholic beverage (or 2)

I have definately been eating less quantity in the last year (weight dropped a bit).

[f6gal]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

It's not necessarily standard to run a HbA1c.  If one's fasting blood glucose is consistently in the normal range and there are no other risk factors for diabetes, they won't typically run it.  But, most will order it, if you ask.  If I might ask, what was your glucose reading on your labs?  Were you fasting?

Unfortunately, diabetes is insidious; the symptoms, if there are any, are are vague... until it's far out of control.  

[scooperhsd]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

Unfortunately, diabetes is insidious; the symptoms, if there are any, are are vague... until it's far out of control.   

Indeed. I had no idea I had a problem until my primary doc ran the A1C as part of a physical. I did notice behavior issues from it being high / out of control ( rather - I was told by my supervisor (who was also diabetic) that he thought there was something wrong with me ).

[hubcapsc]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

It's not necessarily standard to run a HbA1c.  If one's fasting blood glucose is consistently in the normal range and there are no other risk factors for diabetes, they won't typically run it.  But, most will order it, if you ask.  If I might ask, what was your glucose reading on your labs?  Were you fasting?

Unfortunately, diabetes is insidious; the symptoms, if there are any, are are vague... until it's far out of control.  

These are the lines on my "lipid panel"... it seems all cholesterol
related to me...

Triglycerides, Cholesterol, HDL Cholesterol, LDL Calculated, VLDL Cholesterol,
Chol/HDL Ratio and Non-HDL Cholesterol

Now that I'm settled in with this Dr (their new building on the
hospital campus is done and they're moved in) I can get blood
drawn right there, instead of going to the place in the hospital.

In the past I have always fasted, and gone to get my blood drawn at
first light, so I could... un-fast... as quickly as possible.

Anywho... they drew my blood in the Drs office in the middle of the
day without me fasting last time, and my numbers were the worst they've
ever been (but you could see them going up the last couple of times)...
So... I made this next appointment for 8:20am, and I'll fast.

-Mike

[f6gal]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

It's not necessarily standard to run a HbA1c.  If one's fasting blood glucose is consistently in the normal range and there are no other risk factors for diabetes, they won't typically run it.  But, most will order it, if you ask.  If I might ask, what was your glucose reading on your labs?  Were you fasting?

Unfortunately, diabetes is insidious; the symptoms, if there are any, are are vague... until it's far out of control.  

These are the lines on my "lipid panel"... it seems all cholesterol
related to me...

Triglycerides, Cholesterol, HDL Cholesterol, LDL Calculated, VLDL Cholesterol,
Chol/HDL Ratio and Non-HDL Cholesterol

Now that I'm settled in with this Dr (their new building on the
hospital campus is done and they're moved in) I can get blood
drawn right there, instead of going to the place in the hospital.

In the past I have always fasted, and gone to get my blood drawn at
first light, so I could... un-fast... as quickly as possible.

Anywho... they drew my blood in the Drs office in the middle of the
day without me fasting last time, and my numbers were the worst they've
ever been (but you could see them going up the last couple of times)...
So... I made this next appointment for 8:20am, and I'll fast.

-Mike

Yep, you should be fasting for lipid panel; it probably won't change it much, but it does affect it.  Your glucose won't show up on your lipid panel.  Didn't they do a (basic or complete) metabolic panel?  That's where you would see you glucose.  It definitely needs to be fasting; it will make a huge difference. 

[hubcapsc]

I figgered I'd have to ask for it...

I kinda thought it was standard to do an A1c test on any standard blood test battery, especially for us less than youngens..... Look on your results for something like this: Glycated hemoglobin, glycohemoglobin, HbA1c, hemoglobin A1c, A1c, HbA1c, HgbA1c, Hb1c (I know, why can't they pick a term and stick with it?!?!?!)

Or look at your result numbers for something in the range of 4.0 - 7.0 and then research what the name of the result is to see if you can find it that way.

But yeah, if you're doing regular blood workups and they're not checking your A1c, it's probably a good idea to get a baseline and know what it's at...

nothing on there like any of that... I'll have to ask...

-Mike

It's not necessarily standard to run a HbA1c.  If one's fasting blood glucose is consistently in the normal range and there are no other risk factors for diabetes, they won't typically run it.  But, most will order it, if you ask.  If I might ask, what was your glucose reading on your labs?  Were you fasting?

Unfortunately, diabetes is insidious; the symptoms, if there are any, are are vague... until it's far out of control.  

These are the lines on my "lipid panel"... it seems all cholesterol
related to me...

Triglycerides, Cholesterol, HDL Cholesterol, LDL Calculated, VLDL Cholesterol,
Chol/HDL Ratio and Non-HDL Cholesterol

Now that I'm settled in with this Dr (their new building on the
hospital campus is done and they're moved in) I can get blood
drawn right there, instead of going to the place in the hospital.

In the past I have always fasted, and gone to get my blood drawn at
first light, so I could... un-fast... as quickly as possible.

Anywho... they drew my blood in the Drs office in the middle of the
day without me fasting last time, and my numbers were the worst they've
ever been (but you could see them going up the last couple of times)...
So... I made this next appointment for 8:20am, and I'll fast.

-Mike

Yep, you should be fasting for lipid panel; it probably won't change it much, but it does affect it.  Your glucose won't show up on your lipid panel.  Didn't they do a (basic or complete) metabolic panel?  That's where you would see you glucose.  It definitely needs to be fasting; it will make a huge difference. 

Getting a lot of included quotes here  ...

I looked all the way back on the list to 2016... Hemoglobin A1c   5.2 percent

-Mike "I'll get 'em to do another one..."

[f6gal]

Getting a lot of included quotes here  ...

I looked all the way back on the list to 2016... Hemoglobin A1c   5.2 percent

-Mike "I'll get 'em to do another one..."

I dream of 5.2.  LOL.  I seriously doubt you're diabetic even 4+ years later.  An A1c of 5.2 means your average blood glucose (including fasting and non-fasting) over the previous 3 months was 108.  Your average FBG was most likely 90-100, but A1c doesn't measure that.

They probably haven't done the test again because there was no reason, based on that reading, your ongoing FBG, and lack of risk factors.  They can also diagnose diabetes if your FBG is 126 or greater 2 separate days.

[Bret SD]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

What is a typical day for you as far as eating if you don't mind sharing? Specifically, what and when and how much do you eat?

Breakfast - usually around 0730-0800 (at least M-F) 1 bowl cereal w / 2% milk, ~8oz Diet Cranberry juice.
Saturday is usally oatmeal, (3/4 cup old fashioned or 12 cup old fashion w/1/4 cup quick cooking), with 2% milk (sometimes with Dark Choclate chips in it), ~8oz diet cranberry juice. SUnday brunch - we have a set of things we like - pancakes, waffles, french toast, scrambled eggs with bacon or sausage. glass 2% milk and diet cranberry juice at home. SOmetimes we go out for brunch.

some time during the morning or afternoon - 4pieces Dove Dark Chocolate, 12-14 oz Diet Pepsi (my caffiene) 12-14 oz water

Lunch - usually 1 sandwich with 3-4 slices thin lunchmeat, 1 slice provolone cheese. Bread is whole wheat. Handful of chips. Some fruit (1 apple / 1 orange / 1 bananna). glass (12-14 oz ) water

afternoon - glass water (12-14 oz), some snack (homebaked cooky if I have them) or some other nut bar from Aldi. Sometimes some handfuls of Cashews (salted) from Aldi.

Evening meal - 2 glasses iced tea (12-14 oz), some main dish / sides. If we decide to go out, maindish with water / iced tea. Once in a while (rarely) a beer or some other alcoholic beverage (or 2)

I have definately been eating less quantity in the last year (weight dropped a bit).

I'm not a dietitian.. I do know some things that have worked for me for a long time. I used to be a sugar burner as most of my training was very glycolytic, these days I train mostly using the alactic and aerobic energy pathways. Since I changed training modes I'm now very efficient at burning either fat or sugar for energy. What that means is I've retrained my body in how it uses food for energy.
I was a carboholic eating tons of them for high performance, these days I eat carbs mostly on days I train with heavy weight. On aerobic days I'll eat mostly fats and protein. I eat two meals a day now (2MAD) and have tried one meal a day (OMAD) in the past, eating huge amounts of food during a 4 hour window. Doing physical work I need some food in the morning so two meals works well.
I don't eat snacks between meals as I believe my digestive system works better that way, and I don't waste energy digesting food I don't need. In the evening I eat as much as I want, then eat nothing for 16 hrs.
I make my own kefir daily and use whole milk, good bacteria eat most of the lactose and leaves mostly kurds and whey, or something in between, it's very good for gut flora and my girl and I drink it before bed.

What cereal are you eating in the morning? Is it sugary? Is the cranberry juice actually real cranberry juice? I ask because I think about the sugar impact per feeding, I learned the hard way to keep glycemic impact low.

[scooperhsd]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

What is a typical day for you as far as eating if you don't mind sharing? Specifically, what and when and how much do you eat?

Breakfast - usually around 0730-0800 (at least M-F) 1 bowl cereal w / 2% milk, ~8oz Diet Cranberry juice.
Saturday is usally oatmeal, (3/4 cup old fashioned or 12 cup old fashion w/1/4 cup quick cooking), with 2% milk (sometimes with Dark Choclate chips in it), ~8oz diet cranberry juice. SUnday brunch - we have a set of things we like - pancakes, waffles, french toast, scrambled eggs with bacon or sausage. glass 2% milk and diet cranberry juice at home. SOmetimes we go out for brunch.

some time during the morning or afternoon - 4pieces Dove Dark Chocolate, 12-14 oz Diet Pepsi (my caffiene) 12-14 oz water

Lunch - usually 1 sandwich with 3-4 slices thin lunchmeat, 1 slice provolone cheese. Bread is whole wheat. Handful of chips. Some fruit (1 apple / 1 orange / 1 bananna). glass (12-14 oz ) water

afternoon - glass water (12-14 oz), some snack (homebaked cooky if I have them) or some other nut bar from Aldi. Sometimes some handfuls of Cashews (salted) from Aldi.

Evening meal - 2 glasses iced tea (12-14 oz), some main dish / sides. If we decide to go out, maindish with water / iced tea. Once in a while (rarely) a beer or some other alcoholic beverage (or 2)

I have definately been eating less quantity in the last year (weight dropped a bit).

I'm not a dietitian.. I do know some things that have worked for me for a long time. I used to be a sugar burner as most of my training was very glycolytic, these days I train mostly using the alactic and aerobic energy pathways. Since I changed training modes I'm now very efficient at burning either fat or sugar for energy. What that means is I've retrained my body in how it uses food for energy.
I was a carboholic eating tons of them for high performance, these days I eat carbs mostly on days I train with heavy weight. On aerobic days I'll eat mostly fats and protein. I eat two meals a day now (2MAD) and have tried one meal a day (OMAD) in the past, eating huge amounts of food during a 4 hour window. Doing physical work I need some food in the morning so two meals works well.
I don't eat snacks between meals as I believe my digestive system works better that way, and I don't waste energy digesting food I don't need. In the evening I eat as much as I want, then eat nothing for 16 hrs.
I make my own kefir daily and use whole milk, good bacteria eat most of the lactose and leaves mostly kurds and whey, or something in between, it's very good for gut flora and my girl and I drink it before bed.

What cereal are you eating in the morning? Is it sugary? Is the cranberry juice actually real cranberry juice? I ask because I think about the sugar impact per feeding, I learned the hard way to keep glycemic impact low.

SOme cereal is probably heavily sugar, some is better for me. AFAIK the Diet cranberry is just that - cranberry juice cut down with water ( about 7% juice). I'm more worried about calories / carbs / sugar than anything else. Variety is the spice of life - so I usually have 4-5 different boxes of cold cereal that I eat in rotation (roughly).

I have ALWAYS and forever been a 3 small meals (with breakfast) eater, and I'm constantly thinking about "what's the next meal going to be" - it's one reason why I hate having to do fasts before medical procedures (even if it's just drawing blood for tests). I also tend to be a grazer between meals - could do better on that. I like / prefer my heavy meal to be my last one for the day. If I have a desert (most days) - I prefer ice cream, and it's usually low carb or sugar free now. If I put Hershey's choc syrup on it - my glucose test strip in the morning reflects it .

Donuts are a  rare treat, because I can eat maybe one or max 2 before my blood sugar spikes crazy. Cake (another favorite) is the same way. Processed flour / sugar seems to be one of those "bad things " that I can't eat very much of without almost immediate bad effects.

Like I said - I eat with abandon, but I do pay some attention to carbs / sugars. Exercise is good - even a moderate 1.5 mile / 30 minute walk does wonders for me, all over, if it is done enough.

[Bret SD]

I CANNOT do that kind of daily fasting - I don't do AnYTHING without breakfast - I wake up "starving". My wife is doing the 16 hour daily fast and even at the noon meal prefers it to be non-carb. I try to minimize the sugar, and in the last couple years I've actually started weighing my cereal (at least get close to "1 serving").

What is a typical day for you as far as eating if you don't mind sharing? Specifically, what and when and how much do you eat?

Breakfast - usually around 0730-0800 (at least M-F) 1 bowl cereal w / 2% milk, ~8oz Diet Cranberry juice.
Saturday is usally oatmeal, (3/4 cup old fashioned or 12 cup old fashion w/1/4 cup quick cooking), with 2% milk (sometimes with Dark Choclate chips in it), ~8oz diet cranberry juice. SUnday brunch - we have a set of things we like - pancakes, waffles, french toast, scrambled eggs with bacon or sausage. glass 2% milk and diet cranberry juice at home. SOmetimes we go out for brunch.

some time during the morning or afternoon - 4pieces Dove Dark Chocolate, 12-14 oz Diet Pepsi (my caffiene) 12-14 oz water

Lunch - usually 1 sandwich with 3-4 slices thin lunchmeat, 1 slice provolone cheese. Bread is whole wheat. Handful of chips. Some fruit (1 apple / 1 orange / 1 bananna). glass (12-14 oz ) water

afternoon - glass water (12-14 oz), some snack (homebaked cooky if I have them) or some other nut bar from Aldi. Sometimes some handfuls of Cashews (salted) from Aldi.

Evening meal - 2 glasses iced tea (12-14 oz), some main dish / sides. If we decide to go out, maindish with water / iced tea. Once in a while (rarely) a beer or some other alcoholic beverage (or 2)

I have definately been eating less quantity in the last year (weight dropped a bit).

I'm not a dietitian.. I do know some things that have worked for me for a long time. I used to be a sugar burner as most of my training was very glycolytic, these days I train mostly using the alactic and aerobic energy pathways. Since I changed training modes I'm now very efficient at burning either fat or sugar for energy. What that means is I've retrained my body in how it uses food for energy.
I was a carboholic eating tons of them for high performance, these days I eat carbs mostly on days I train with heavy weight. On aerobic days I'll eat mostly fats and protein. I eat two meals a day now (2MAD) and have tried one meal a day (OMAD) in the past, eating huge amounts of food during a 4 hour window. Doing physical work I need some food in the morning so two meals works well.
I don't eat snacks between meals as I believe my digestive system works better that way, and I don't waste energy digesting food I don't need. In the evening I eat as much as I want, then eat nothing for 16 hrs.
I make my own kefir daily and use whole milk, good bacteria eat most of the lactose and leaves mostly kurds and whey, or something in between, it's very good for gut flora and my girl and I drink it before bed.

What cereal are you eating in the morning? Is it sugary? Is the cranberry juice actually real cranberry juice? I ask because I think about the sugar impact per feeding, I learned the hard way to keep glycemic impact low.

SOme cereal is probably heavily sugar, some is better for me. AFAIK the Diet cranberry is just that - cranberry juice cut down with water ( about 7% juice). I'm more worried about calories / carbs / sugar than anything else. Variety is the spice of life - so I usually have 4-5 different boxes of cold cereal that I eat in rotation (roughly).

I have ALWAYS and forever been a 3 small meals (with breakfast) eater, and I'm constantly thinking about "what's the next meal going to be" - it's one reason why I hate having to do fasts before medical procedures (even if it's just drawing blood for tests). I also tend to be a grazer between meals - could do better on that. I like / prefer my heavy meal to be my last one for the day. If I have a desert (most days) - I prefer ice cream, and it's usually low carb or sugar free now. If I put Hershey's choc syrup on it - my glucose test strip in the morning reflects it .

Donuts are a  rare treat, because I can eat maybe one or max 2 before my blood sugar spikes crazy. Cake (another favorite) is the same way. Processed flour / sugar seems to be one of those "bad things " that I can't eat very much of without almost immediate bad effects.

Like I said - I eat with abandon, but I do pay some attention to carbs / sugars. Exercise is good - even a moderate 1.5 mile / 30 minute walk does wonders for me, all over, if it is done enough.

You may be on the same sugar burning train I was on, there are ways to kick the carb habit where you don't crave them anymore. Doing it will make fasting much easier and in the time between meals you won't have carb/sugar cravings.

I had an epic battle with candida around 8-9 years ago and learned a lot about handling blood sugar.

[rocketray]

I have had great success treating COVID  with ivermectin..youtube"I can't keep doing this" A serum level of 30 with Vitamin D appears to be protective

[Romeo]

the virus is a fear tool

Actually, it's a deadly lysogenic parasite.

-Mike "they're quite different  "

Deadly? No more than flu, but you go ahead and keep spreading the fear.

No more than flu ?  I’m 63 years old. I don’t remember flu deaths ever coming close. (But go ahead and keep spreading the bs)

gotta agree withya Meat, I know, hard to believe, huh.

[Jersey mike]

the virus is a fear tool

Actually, it's a deadly lysogenic parasite.

-Mike "they're quite different  "

Deadly? No more than flu, but you go ahead and keep spreading the fear.

No more than flu ?  I’m 63 years old. I don’t remember flu deaths ever coming close. (But go ahead and keep spreading the bs)

gotta agree withya Meat, I know, hard to believe, huh.

From September 2018

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

These are excerpts of the article:

“ An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.”

“ CDC officials do not have exact counts of how many people die from flu each year. Flu is so common that not all flu cases are reported, and flu is not always listed on death certificates. So the CDC uses statistical models, which are periodically revised, to make estimates.”

“Fatal complications from the flu can include pneumonia, stroke and heart attack.”

“ CDC officials called the 80,000 figure preliminary, and it may be slightly revised. But they said it is not expected to go down.”

“It eclipses the estimates for every flu season going back to the winter of 1976-1977. Estimates for many earlier seasons were not readily available.”

“Last winter was not the worst flu season on record, however. The 1918 flu pandemic, which lasted nearly two years, killed more than 500,000 Americans, historians estimate.”

“It’s not easy to compare flu seasons through history, partly because the nation’s population is changing. There are more Americans — and more elderly Americans — today than in decades past, noted Dr. Daniel Jernigan, a CDC flu expert.”


So, while Covid 19 now has a higher number of deaths than “flu”, tens of thousand die every year from the flu. Also I believe the 1918 issue ended up with many more than 500k.

[Valkorado]

Oh, good!  We've come full circle and landed right back at the C-19 vs. seasonal flu debate.   

[Jersey mike]

Oh, good!  We've come full circle and landed right back at the C-19 vs. seasonal flu debate.  

Unfortunately yes it did go down that road, because it’s something that has previously (years prior) been a non issue, it’s been something we all just were oblivious to, didn’t know or just didn’t care.

For the last year plus 30 days or so, suddenly people are concerned and with good reasons to be concerned. This virus has been proven to be a serious issue to people with certain previous (known or unknown) health conditions.  

By this point everyone should be doing what is necessary to ensure they are taking care of themselves and their immediate family members. I know the message f6gal recently posted hit home with me and is at new spot in my mind for consideration and her message should be everyone should think on again.

This will be a touchy topic since the loss of Big BF and emotions will be running high for quite sometime and for good reason but the loss of people prior to C-19 to the seasonal flu has largely gone as a minor blip on the radar for the majority of the country for many years. It’s certainly something I was aware of or followed year to year.

Modified

Last sentence should read “....something I was NOT aware of...”

[Valkorado]

Oh, good!  We've come full circle and landed right back at the C-19 vs. seasonal flu debate.  

Unfortunately yes it did go down that road, because it’s something that has previously (years prior) been a non issue, it’s been something we all just were oblivious to, didn’t know or just didn’t care.

For the last year plus 30 days or so, suddenly people are concerned and with good reasons to be concerned. This virus has been proven to be a serious issue to people with certain previous (known or unknown) health conditions.  

By this point everyone should be doing what is necessary to ensure they are taking care of themselves and their immediate family members. I know the message f6gal recently posted hit home with me and is at new spot in my mind for consideration and her message should be everyone should think on again.

This will be a touchy topic since the loss of Big BF and emotions will be running high for quite sometime and for good reason but the loss of people prior to C-19 to the seasonal flu has largely gone as a minor blip on the radar for the majority of the country for many years. It’s certainly something I was aware of or followed year to year.

All I'm saying is they're different animals altogether, and should be addressed and discussed as such.

This virus has been a serious issue for me since I watched it escaping China.  I've taken some sucker punches for expressing that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Oh, good!  We've come full circle and landed right back at the C-19 vs. seasonal flu debate.  

Unfortunately yes it did go down that road, because it’s something that has previously (years prior) been a non issue, it’s been something we all just were oblivious to, didn’t know or just didn’t care.

For the last year plus 30 days or so, suddenly people are concerned and with good reasons to be concerned. This virus has been proven to be a serious issue to people with certain previous (known or unknown) health conditions.  

By this point everyone should be doing what is necessary to ensure they are taking care of themselves and their immediate family members. I know the message f6gal recently posted hit home with me and is at new spot in my mind for consideration and her message should be everyone should think on again.

This will be a touchy topic since the loss of Big BF and emotions will be running high for quite sometime and for good reason but the loss of people prior to C-19 to the seasonal flu has largely gone as a minor blip on the radar for the majority of the country for many years. It’s certainly something I was aware of or followed year to year.

All I'm saying is they're different animals altogether, and should be addressed and discussed as such.

This virus has been a serious issue for me since I watched it escaping China.  I've taken some sucker punches for expressing that.

yes you have. (And by some higher ups) Gotta hand it to you though. You are like the Energizer Bunny.

[f6gal]

I have had great success treating COVID  with ivermectin..youtube"I can't keep doing this" A serum level of 30 with Vitamin D appears to be protective

Ivermectin and Vit D did not save Big BF.

Vit D is a good adjunct and probably helpful in prevention of symptoms, but it should include a warning that too much Vit D can be toxic.  Most people are somewhat Vit D deficient, but not all.

IMHO, a better strategy is to avoid getting the disease in the first place.

[f6gal]

Oh, good!  We've come full circle and landed right back at the C-19 vs. seasonal flu debate.  

Unfortunately yes it did go down that road, because it’s something that has previously (years prior) been a non issue, it’s been something we all just were oblivious to, didn’t know or just didn’t care.

For the last year plus 30 days or so, suddenly people are concerned and with good reasons to be concerned. This virus has been proven to be a serious issue to people with certain previous (known or unknown) health conditions.  

By this point everyone should be doing what is necessary to ensure they are taking care of themselves and their immediate family members. I know the message f6gal recently posted hit home with me and is at new spot in my mind for consideration and her message should be everyone should think on again.

This will be a touchy topic since the loss of Big BF and emotions will be running high for quite sometime and for good reason but the loss of people prior to C-19 to the seasonal flu has largely gone as a minor blip on the radar for the majority of the country for many years. It’s certainly something I was aware of or followed year to year.

Modified

Last sentence should read “....something I was NOT aware of...”

Thank you Mike.  The decision is personal and I do respect that. 

[Valkorado]

youtube"I can't keep doing this"

I found it!  Good informative video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHxc145tF9g

He's right, the Chinese are real!  Not to be trusted!