loosing my faith in Hyundai

[Robert]

That is AFTER the FACT standing behind their vehicles I guess.

Not knocking Hundai but, guessing is a dangerous thing.   If it ain't in writing, it doesn't count.

Rams

will be asking about any new engine warranty tomorrow.  I would suspect 12 months/ 12000 miles at least on the entire engine but only thing I know as of now is lifetime on rod bearings since pretty sure same old same old faulty inferior rod bearings going in on new engine vs. improving them and making the parts internally BETTER to NOT be recalled again and again for life.

I may be wrong but I thought you had 86k on the car, they have said the warranty will go to 120k. So by my figuring its a 2014 you put 86k on it that's say 7 years at roughly 12k a year with the extended warranty in place that would work out to 40k and 3 years. I would make sure that the extension is applicable to this and be happy with that.

[cookiedough]

That is AFTER the FACT standing behind their vehicles I guess.

Not knocking Hundai but, guessing is a dangerous thing.   If it ain't in writing, it doesn't count.

Rams

will be asking about any new engine warranty tomorrow.  I would suspect 12 months/ 12000 miles at least on the entire engine but only thing I know as of now is lifetime on rod bearings since pretty sure same old same old faulty inferior rod bearings going in on new engine vs. improving them and making the parts internally BETTER to NOT be recalled again and again for life.

I may be wrong but I thought you had 86k on the car, they have said the warranty will go to 120k. So by my figuring its a 2014 you put 86k on it that's say 7 years at roughly 12k a year with the extended warranty in place that would work out to 40k and 3 years. I would make sure that the extension is applicable to this and be happy with that.

actually, the recall for new engine is for lifetime replacement 100x's if needed due to rod bearing failure only.  The key was to get vehicle into an authorized dealer BEFORE 120K is up to get it inspected and recall done to install the knock sensor.    All the recall doing to it was inspect rod bearings for excessive clearance and pass/fail test and install knock sensor so if bearings go too far worn down bad knocking sound or excessive engine vibration, vehicle goes into scary limp mode which is dangerous.  Even if passes rod bearing test at 120K,  if engine fails at 200K, then still get new engine out of it since hyundai recall was done prior to 120K miles. 

What ticked me off is 2000 miles 1 month after recall done to install knock sensor in Nov. 2019,  the knock sensor went off IN ERROR due to inferior recall band aid done to it and dealer reprogrammed sensor yet again and installed new supposedly improved wiring harness in Dec. 2019.  Since Dec. 2019 when done,  3-4 software updates on the knock sensor in 2020 has been implemented since 1000's of knock sensors IN ERROR still have created limp mode driving for NO legitimate reason.  If you start my sonata,  it runs fine if dealer clears P1326 code NO engine knocking or vibration still, yet the bearings inside was tested finally with the PROPER diagnostic tool that was out in 2020 finally to test clearance which supposedly is OUT of spec now even though NO engine vibration or abnormal knocking noise coming from engine still, which to me I do still do NOT get.

that makes me leery to trust a dealership 450 miles away from home even though they supposedly have to prove with the test readings to corporate Hyundai the rod bearings failed a pass/fail test.  Tomorrow if dealer or hyundai gives me any BS,  I will make hyundai ship my vehicle back home 450 miles to the other hyundai dealer I trust more so vs. the one who messed it up originally in 2019 which according to both dealers has happened to them 100's of times by inferior hyundai recall testing that they put out in 2019 that was NOT right in the first place.

[cookiedough]

well, found out for sure now call back finally today lasting 45 minutes on details.  tow flat bed car from IN to WI and rental 100% covered on this so nothing out of pocket for next 3-4 weeks or more.  However,  the warranty is ONLY on the rod bearings going bad again and ONLY good for 10 years/120K miles which is BS so basically 3 more years and 34K miles but ONLY on the rod bearing failure failing inspection again.    NO 'true' warranty on new engine components installed which is BS.  The rep from Hyundai did say from her experience listening about this recall stories that if the 'newly refurbished' all new internals fail they fail within the 1st few months of driving and her history Hyundai covers again 100% but is a case by case basis not guaranteed even on new engine 1 year and 12K miles is not a given, as it should be in my opinion standing behind what was replaced at least that much if not 3 years/36K miles since is technically all NEW internals of engine being NEW.   

Then again I called another Hyundai dealer and his experience he had recently is Hyundai has replaced 3 engines same customer car there due to recall and 3rd one was on 250K miles and still 100% covered due to faulty rod bearing recall all 3 times.   They as well as other Hyundai dealers have had good luck with Hyundai standing behind the recall as they should after 10/120K but is really a case by case basis AFTER 10 years/120K miles if they stand behind the engine recall again.  IS BS if Hyundai has a 10/100K warranty though and now NEW engine internals some goofball at hyundai denies a new engine NOT recall related before 10/100K is up for me which is ONLY 3 years and 14K miles is all left.  I doubt that will happen, but if it does,  will get interesting.  At the very least,  1 year/12K miles stand behind all internal components again and in my eyes should be 3/36K mininum or stand behind OEM mfg. warranty of 10/100K miles on a new internals of engine. 

Not that it hopefully not matters much to me, but I asked if all this was being documented and she said yes hoping she will be there come end of May when get my vehicle back.  She assured me it all was being written down,  but then she told me her and about 69 other Hyundai corp. employees there in California were being  LET GO May 21st since Hyundai decided to 'outsource' all 70 jobs involving setting up CASES like this.  How lovely is that? NOT!   

knock on wood I get 7 more years and 86K more miles before recall comes into play again, but to NOT stand behind OEM mfg. warranty 10/100K or at least 1 year / 12K NO questions asked on NEW internals of new engine is BS.  That is and should be guaranteed in writing from Hyundai corp.

[Robert]

What is interesting is they are replacing the whole engine for rod bearings. Does it make anyone question, why?

Today the labor costs to replace an engine manufactured at the factory is less than ripping the engine down and replacing the bearings. Take that a bit forward and know that on most modern cars if you have a problem with the engine you will be faced with a few choices. Used engine, new engine, major costs to repair and tear down an engine.

Many MFG's are having problems with engines and labor time to remove and replace can be about 40 hrs or more even for a tear down.

Audi hourly labor rates are about 280 an hour.

It seems with the advent of the new 4 cylinder turbo engines that I doubt will hold up well here we are seeing the complete replacement of the engine. As an examples Mercedes MFG's their 4 cylinder engines for a host of their line up. The engine complete with Turbo is 7500.00. Basically  a remove and drop in if an engine has a serious problem. Considering you get the engine complete from the MFG and machine shop charges would be quite high its a decent deal.

Its a change of the automobile industry on a big scale.

[cookiedough]

What is interesting is they are replacing the whole engine for rod bearings. Does it make anyone question, why?

Today the labor costs to replace an engine manufactured at the factory is less than ripping the engine down and replacing the bearings. Take that a bit forward and know that on most modern cars if you have a problem with the engine you will be faced with a few choices. Used engine, new engine, major costs to repair and tear down an engine.

Many MFG's are having problems with engines and labor time to remove and replace can be about 40 hrs or more even for a tear down.

Audi hourly labor rates are about 280 an hour.

It seems with the advent of the new 4 cylinder turbo engines that I doubt will hold up well here we are seeing the complete replacement of the engine. As an examples Mercedes MFG's their 4 cylinder engines for a host of their line up. The engine complete with Turbo is 7500.00. Basically  a remove and drop in if an engine has a serious problem. Considering you get the engine complete from the MFG and machine shop charges would be quite high its a decent deal.

Its a change of the automobile industry on a big scale.

I agree,  4 cylinder turbos are going in almost ALL cars nowadays even SUV's high hp, high rpms, high cost to repair and more than likely NOT last 100K miles without turbo, etc. issues.   In order to replace the rod bearings is not simple job easier to just swap entire engine with all new internal parts at least dealer said is at least ONE FULL DAY's job.

I still think I NO LESS should get 3 years and 14K more miles to make 10/100K or more so stand behind entire NEW engine internals (not just rod bearings but ALL of the internal engine)  10/120K which for me is still 3 years and about 34K miles which is fair.  Now both corp. hyundai and few dealers I called said to NOT only record all my oil changes which I have done past 86K miles but also hyundai getting fussy save all sales receipts for oil filters and cases of oil I buy to 'prove' oil changes were done every 5K miles by me since if they see EXCESSIVE sludge buildup in the engine Hyundai is likely to deny any other replacement engine in the future.   

[Jack B]

I think once you get your Hyundai fixed you should just trade it in for something else.
And then you won’t have to worry about it anymore.

[cookiedough]

I think once you get your Hyundai fixed you should just trade it in for something else.
And then you won’t have to worry about it anymore.

will see how it runs and goes come June hopefully get it back by then.  I figured the rental alone is going to cost Hyundai 1 grand since 38 bucks per day and they said is covered 100% so I better get it reimbursed 100% as they said since I have to pay for it upfront then get reimbursed thru Hyundai afterwards which sorta sucks as well.  The 8 or so hours on a flat bed truck to WI am sure is not too cheap either on Hyundai's dime.   

Not much else out there now I would want to be honest all the new stuff is either too fancy or too pricey for my needs.  Is (or was) a great commuter car avg 36 mpg mostly hwy and on long trips got 39 avg mpg mostly interstate plus just this past fall put on new front rotors (fairly new brake pads all around) and brand NEW tires are also on it last summer.  Trade in price is pretty much horrible as well,   was hoping this car would last me another 7 years thru another 1 set of brake pads/rotors and tires before parting ways.  One thing is for sure would NEVER buy a USED 2011-2019 hyundai sonata like mine with the 2.4L engine simply due to this massive recall on faulty OEM rod bearings going bad even if someone like me changes oil every 5K miles.   I would consider though if found one a used 3.3L V6 Kia Sorento 7 passenger a few years old if the price was right, NO turbo 4 cylinders for me.

[cookiedough]

Jack,

you may be right another 390K vehicles by Hyundai recalled.  How can they get away with putting such crappy NOT done right internal parts in engines not once, but for LIFETIME?    bad piston rings now?  was bad rod bearings on the 2.4L...  arghhhh....  Hey, let's just toss another identical engine in the thing NOT fixing the internals EVER to make a decent engine last over 100K miles.   

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-recall-engine-fires-390k-vehicles/

[Robert]

I still think I NO LESS should get 3 years and 14K more miles to make 10/100K or more so stand behind entire NEW engine internals (not just rod bearings but ALL of the internal engine)  10/120K which for me is still 3 years and about 34K miles which is fair. 

I dont disagree at all, and you will get it but on a new engine. This is a transition period, just like happened in 2000 to 2005 it took that long for many manufactures to get the electronics right in their cars along with all the new whizz bang stuff.

One day we will see the same reliability and longevity out of smaller engines.

[cookiedough]

I still think I NO LESS should get 3 years and 14K more miles to make 10/100K or more so stand behind entire NEW engine internals (not just rod bearings but ALL of the internal engine)  10/120K which for me is still 3 years and about 34K miles which is fair. 

I dont disagree at all, and you will get it but on a new engine. This is a transition period, just like happened in 2000 to 2005 it took that long for many manufactures to get the electronics right in their cars along with all the new whizz bang stuff.

One day we will see the same reliability and longevity out of smaller engines.

sure hope so as a new internals of engine should easily go 3 year / 36K NO issues.  I guess wait and see approach.  I have to pay around 1 grand out of my pocket 1st for the rental am assuming then get reimbursed thru Hyundai after the fact.  I am charging it to my credit card since 100% better be covered on rental and towing at the very least as they told me at the dealership and corporate Hyundai on the phone more than once.   

[Robert]

I still think I NO LESS should get 3 years and 14K more miles to make 10/100K or more so stand behind entire NEW engine internals (not just rod bearings but ALL of the internal engine)  10/120K which for me is still 3 years and about 34K miles which is fair. 

I dont disagree at all, and you will get it but on a new engine. This is a transition period, just like happened in 2000 to 2005 it took that long for many manufactures to get the electronics right in their cars along with all the new whizz bang stuff.

One day we will see the same reliability and longevity out of smaller engines.

sure hope so as a new internals of engine should easily go 3 year / 36K NO issues.  I guess wait and see approach.  I have to pay around 1 grand out of my pocket 1st for the rental am assuming then get reimbursed thru Hyundai after the fact.  I am charging it to my credit card since 100% better be covered on rental and towing at the very least as they told me at the dealership and corporate Hyundai on the phone more than once.   

Just a thought, if Hyundai does not cover the cost completely you may be able to send the bill into your auto insurance company if you have rental reimbursement and get the balance that way.

[Dave Ritsema]

I think Jack B gave you some great advice. As soon as you get back from being repaired get rid of it and you can tell the new owner with a clear conscious it has a new motor in it. That will certainly appeal to someone.

[cookiedough]

well new internals of engine was installed and done Friday and car being shipped one day this week to nearest WI Hyundai dealer from KY/IN border.  Both the repair dealer and delivered to dealer here in WI said 'so far' all new engines have had NO internal components go wrong and both having done well over 100 new engines in the 2.4L engine the past 3-4 years of this recall.    That is good news that say not one out of over 250 new engines being replaced (labor is 7 hours so done in 1 day) the past few years has yet come back needing another replacement engine out of those 2 Hyundai dealers,  but most issues are coming on that 2.4L engine at 70K miles or more like mine did at 70K miles and doubt many 3 year old engines have over 60K miles on them yet.

The small WI dealer I just spoke to said for some reason with this pandemic nearing a slow down he must see more and more 2.4L's on the road since the past 2 weeks have had a rash of recalls coming in needing new engines to the tune of 10 more new engine replacements.  For giggles,  I called a few other Hyundai dealers here in WI and all say they are behind at least 6 new engines being put in while some had 14 new engines to put in waiting replacements for due to this massive recall.

By the time this recall is done,  I doubt Hyundai will be in business loosing millions on well over 200,000 new engines in the 2.4L being recalled with free engines put in.   I wonder once they run out of 2.4L engines will they install 2.5L engines now being made instead? 

ONLY good thing I can say is Hyundai is 'so far' standing behind their recalled engines since can almost guarantee you my former go-to mfg. being Chevrolet would not from my past experiences with them.

The Hyundai case mgr. assured me the near 800 dollar rental fee for the rental car past 3 weeks will also be reimbursed 100%.   

[CoreyP]

I'll have to ask my brother, he is in charge of building Sonata's or very close, I don't really want to point him out. I do know he drives a Hyundai and has had one fail twice in the first year kicking it into limp mode. Limp mode kills your power.  Wonder if he was driving the 2.4 L engine? I will ask him. I don't know if he knows the dealership policies, he's in manufacturing not sales.

Dealerships or as some people call them stealerships are a bad place to go with an out of warranty vehicle. I have a 2003 Xterra bought it new and my son drives it now. I have spent very little keeping that going. I've had to change the valve cover gaskets, timing belt etc. Not a problem for me since I work on my own vehicles.  I have to say that vintage of Xterra is a good one to own or the one after that with the bigger engine. It does what it does and keeps running with little drama.

BTW any of you in the used car market might want to look at mid 2000's Lexus cars. About 6 months ago I bought my daughter a 2008 150,000 mile IS 250 for $5K and I have no fear of major anything going wrong with that car. Dealership wanted to give this guy like nothing for the car and he was happy I bought for apparently more then the dealership offered. It needed tires, an alignment and a good detailing.  I went over the top because my daughter was just happy to have a car.  I figured I might as well put new struts on with the new tires, I did that myself. Didn't need to but I did to up the handling. I took the car out after new struts, tires and alignment. The car handles well, I turned off the traction control and pushed it. LOL. Can't say the 2.5 L engine is fast but it's fast enough, daughter doesn't like my car she says it's to fast. That IS handles very well. I started to look around around at what guys were do to that car and there is a lot out there to dress it up and make it handle even better. Daughter doesn't want that so I have banned myself from doing anything to hop up that car.

The thing with the Lexus is those cars will drive for 300,000 miles with nothing major happening. Change the oil and other fluids and you are good to go for a long long time.

[cookiedough]

I'll have to ask my brother, he is in charge of building Sonata's or very close, I don't really want to point him out. I do know he drives a Hyundai and has had one fail twice in the first year kicking it into limp mode. Limp mode kills your power.  Wonder if he was driving the 2.4 L engine? I will ask him. I don't know if he knows the dealership policies, he's in manufacturing not sales.

Dealerships or as some people call them stealerships are a bad place to go with an out of warranty vehicle. I have a 2003 Xterra bought it new and my son drives it now. I have spent very little keeping that going. I've had to change the valve cover gaskets, timing belt etc. Not a problem for me since I work on my own vehicles.  I have to say that vintage of Xterra is a good one to own or the one after that with the bigger engine. It does what it does and keeps running with little drama.

BTW any of you in the used car market might want to look at mid 2000's Lexus cars. About 6 months ago I bought my daughter a 2008 150,000 mile IS 250 for $5K and I have no fear of major anything going wrong with that car. Dealership wanted to give this guy like nothing for the car and he was happy I bought for apparently more then the dealership offered. It needed tires, an alignment and a good detailing.  I went over the top because my daughter was just happy to have a car.  I figured I might as well put new struts on with the new tires, I did that myself. Didn't need to but I did to up the handling. I took the car out after new struts, tires and alignment. The car handles well, I turned off the traction control and pushed it. LOL. Can't say the 2.5 L engine is fast but it's fast enough, daughter doesn't like my car she says it's to fast. That IS handles very well. I started to look around around at what guys were do to that car and there is a lot out there to dress it up and make it handle even better. Daughter doesn't want that so I have banned myself from doing anything to hop up that car.

The thing with the Lexus is those cars will drive for 300,000 miles with nothing major happening. Change the oil and other fluids and you are good to go for a long long time.

yah,  ask him if he has the 2.4L engine going into limp mode.  If not replaced engine yet with the service engine soon light coming on a few times now due to the knock sensor detector,  he will be needing a NEW engine only a matter of time.  If he is into mfg.,  tell him to make better internal rod bearings that last over 100K miles. 

toyota/lexus and honda engines IMO are more routinely likely to go over 200K miles with no major engine/tranny issues and even those are iffy just not as iffy as the rest.  All mfgs. have their issues, just some more than others.

[jer0177]

My better half had a 2012 Sonata with the 2.0T. Adamant about oil changes, had all the recalls done.

She joined me in Virginia for training for the new job last summer. Friday morning, she heads back home, avoiding the turnpike, I go to work for half day. I leave work, headed to the turnpike, get a text from her saying that her car died.

Cam chain jumped while she was in the middle lane going up the side of a mountain. 120,000-ish miles. She was able to get to the shoulder safely, and I made a u-turn and hauled ass to where she was.

It's since been replaced by a Honda (2019 CRV).

[CoreyP]

yah,  ask him if he has the 2.4L engine going into limp mode.  If not replaced engine yet with the service engine soon light coming on a few times now due to the knock sensor detector,  he will be needing a NEW engine only a matter of time.  If he is into mfg.,  tell him to make better internal rod bearings that last over 100K miles. 

It was the 2.4L and he didn't say much about that problem except they are aware of the issue.

His job is to keep the lines running, he doesn't design the engines, he doesn't sell the cars, just makes sure the lines run as they should. He use to work for GM but his wife hated Detroit, for years.  Push came to shove and brother was actually looking to get into the BMW plant in SC but they didn't have a job for him. Hyundai did in AL. Life works like life does.

[cookiedough]

yah,  ask him if he has the 2.4L engine going into limp mode.  If not replaced engine yet with the service engine soon light coming on a few times now due to the knock sensor detector,  he will be needing a NEW engine only a matter of time.  If he is into mfg.,  tell him to make better internal rod bearings that last over 100K miles. 

It was the 2.4L and he didn't say much about that problem except they are aware of the issue.

His job is to keep the lines running, he doesn't design the engines, he doesn't sell the cars, just makes sure the lines run as they should. He use to work for GM but his wife hated Detroit, for years.  Push came to shove and brother was actually looking to get into the BMW plant in SC but they didn't have a job for him. Hyundai did in AL. Life works like life does.

Well,  am sure the Hyundai dealer had to run the pass/fail test on his 2.4L engine and if the rod bearing clearance 'failed', then he gets a new 2.4L engine thru Hyundai.  I am expecting my sonata back later today assuming the tow truck driver does not have 3 other vehicles to deliver 1st off the truck over mine.  It could be on Tuesday at the latest I hope.  The over 3 week rental charge will be 1026 bucks I  have to pay upfront then get reimbursed 1-2 months later submitting charge to corporate Hyundai as well.

[cookiedough]

got my sonata back late this afternoon right before 5 p.m .closing and supposedly local Hyundai dealer inspected it over from work done new engine at Hyundai dealer in Indiana.  Both are incompetent.  I have to go back tomorrow ASAP after 20 second pop the hood inspection tonight at home letting it run.  

First off EXCESSIVE engine vibration at idle enough to sjavascript:void(0);hake the intake manifolds 1/4 inch back and forth almost and jiggle all hoses and air box and top cover on engine jiggling NEVER done that EVER on old engine that was replace was pretty shake-proof.  My suspect is engine mounts are loose to have that much jiggling going on at idle?  Or there is that much internally put together wrong to shake that much at idle.  Heck, a HD barely shakes that much at idle...

2nd issue is noticing that first 5 seconds after seeing engine vibrating at idle.  I put my hand on air box filter housing and the entire 6 inch main round air filter housing down below came off the engine NO JOKE.  Hyundai dealer missed putting back on the MAIN 6 inch metal hose clamp to connect to engine down underneath is totally not there anymore.  BONEHEADS!!!  The entire air filter box is loose as well moves back and forth 1 inch all over should be pretty tight is NOT now.

3rd issue is I let it sit 1 hour after coming home on level pavement and checked engine oil.  Is over 1/2 inch overfilled my guess is between 16 and 20 oz. over the 5 qt. capacity according to dipstick having done about 20 oil changes knowing that every near 1 inch low on dipstick is about 1 quart.  IDIOTS!  

Is going back tomorrow to local dealer to further inspect oil level,  air filter missing hose clamp is entirely loose, and excessive engine vibration at idle.    Engine should not be jiggling all over 1/4 inch or more back and forth at idle when prior engine was rock solid not moving or shaking top engine cover or air filter housing and all other pieces around the engine.  I could even feel the metal bracing in front  of engine with my hands shaking around some which is not right.  Guessing engine mounts are way too loose correct or they buggered the rubber bushings up upon installing new engine?  Even the left side engine mount up top can see moving back and forth some never shoke like that on prior OEM engine.

I sent a NOT so nice email with 4 pics of disptick and pulled apart air filter housing from engine missing metal hose clamp to corporate hyundai, both Hyundai dealer service mgrs. as well just now.  Who knows what else is messed up only drove it 45 minutes home and a 20 second inspection found 3 things faulty already, easy enough.     I guess you need to be a master certified hyundai tech to screw up that much.  Service mgr. told me they had 2 of them and in good hands.  I say NO to that one and if he wants to call me good luck apologizing NO excuse to not install the main big metal hose clamp to engine from air cleaner round housing.  DArn thing at idle is vibrating just like a HD does, NO JOKE.  

I am really thinking neither Hyundai dealer even test drove it after popped in new engine since had ONLY 1 mile on it after the service repair work order was done when I picked it up today and that 1 mile is probably from lot to transporter truck and back off is all.  Am sure they ran it, but they must be blind all the lot of them or they did not care, or both probably.

[JimC]

Cookie,
When I read through your posts, I can't help but think that you are constantly walking around with the proverbial cloud over your head.



Jim

[cookiedough]

Cookie,
When I read through your posts, I can't help but think that you are constantly walking around with the proverbial cloud over your head.



Jim

yah think, fricking idiots!  Takes a master certified tech billed out at 144 per hour to Hyundai to not re-install the main big metal hose clamp for the air box to engine?       1 and ONLY free oil change at local Hyundai dealer was when this stupid recall was done installing the knock sensor in November 2019 and oil change guy never re-installed under the oil pan the plastic snap on cover.  That time and this time going to take a bite out of both dealers you know what....

[cookiedough]

yep, am right on 2 possibly all 3 issues.  air box hose clamp was missing dealer did not have a NEW one so they took one off a used car same 2.4L engine design, good enough I guess?  Otherwise,  dealer would have to order one new as they really should but is a metal hose clamp used one was not too rusty looking since was black in color to begin with blending in with black plastic housing around it.

Yep,  oil was overfilled on new engine by 24 ounces my guess was at least 16 ounces surprised over 20 ounces overfilled they drained it and measured it as I requested was 5.75 qts. vs. should be 5.0 qts.

Also, left side engine mount was not torqued as tight to spec, but still engine vibrates excessively in my eyes since requested a 2015 sonata 2.4L dealer just replaced new engine and minimal vibration at idle and dealer service mgr. agreed my 2014 2.4L engine vibrates more enough to jiggle the disptick and top engine cover very easy to notice both at idle unlike the same 2.4L 2015 sonata they just did replacing that engine.   They felt was within spec and told me to drive it 2000 miles maybe the engine will SMOOOOTH out not vibrate as much since still brand new????  I doubt that will happen, will see.  Too see a dipstick and top engine cover move around/shake near 1/4 inch is NOT right at idle why does ONE 2.4L do it still like mine and not the other I saw today? 

Hate to say it but the dealer today told me the back and front/other side engine mount is not easily accessible ONLY the top right rubber engine mount.  the back and front/other side engine mounts are done when the new engine is put in place UNLIKE easy to get at the top right side on showing out in the open like that which was not torqued to spec.  I wonder if the other 3 engine mounts are NOT tightened up correctly???????????????  Would have to pull the motor sounds like to get at them maybe or spend hours removing stuff to get at them??? 

2nd dealer billed 1st dealer 225 bucks since Hyundai was not standing behind a 2nd dealer to re-do what 1st dealer screwed up on.   

Now to get my 988 bucks back on rental charge I paid for.  I expect pymt in 4 weeks no more the same time it took them almost to replace my engine, but seeing as how there are 1000's of new engines being put in daily across the US,  I doubt 4 weeks is going to happen more like 3 months from now.

1st dealer emailed me back indicating he was sorry and going to let the tech see my pics of overfilled dipstick and missing air filter metal hose clamp.  2 simple things 10 bucks tops cost that dealer 225 bucks since this 2nd dealer today also ran diagnostics again and inspected entire engine in full for 2 hours.

[Robert]

Just met another gentleman with a blown engine on the Hyundai Sonata it went to the dealer yesterday. Just thought you would want to know its not only you.

[Jersey mike]

My daughter drives an ‘03 Sonata with the V6 and has a slap type trans function for more sporty driving, the car is awesome. Her car belonged to my in-laws before they passed and has just crossed 90,000 miles. Yup 20 years old and still well under 100k on the odometer. I’m hoping on another 10 years with this car.

It might be 2 years by the time the car crosses 100k since she’s not home and using it regularly, all I do is drive it twice a week on my *6 mile road test course* to keep things moving. My wife has a 150 mile (mostly all highway) round trip commute 2-3 times a week so I might have her take it twice a month to work.

Over the years we’ve done regular service work to it. One time it had a brake line rusted which broke and we had repaired and another time it went to dealer for an issue with the passenger side airbag sensor which they repaired and not very expensive. Just recently had the valve cover gaskets replaced, new spark plugs installed and throttle body cleaned. It’s going to get a new set of shocks/struts and a windshield and MAYBE a MAACO paint job when she finishes grad school in a year and a half. My only real complaint is the car gets terrible gas mileage but that’s the trade off for the V6, our 4 cylinder Camrys blow the Hyundai V6 out of the water on gas mileage.

Hate to jinx myself but the car has been pretty much great to own.

[Binkie]

Doing the same thing multiple times and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.  Knock sensors are very sensitive and require to be correctly torqued. Tight plus some doesn’t cut it.

[Rams]

Have a lifelong friend who bought a used Hyundai for the fuel mileage it supposedly gets.   Was told it used a bit of oil.   Within a month, he was getting a new engine installed.  No, I don't know all the details.  He sold it just as soon as the new engine installation was done.

Thanks but no thanks on that brand.   Way too many issues.   Hopefully they'll figure it out.

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[3fan4life]

Hyundai is having tons of issues with their engines at the moment and not just the 2.4L in the Sonata.

The engine in my son's 2019 Elantra threw a rod @ 109k miles.

He'd been complaining about a knocking noise since 80k miles.

The knock was terrible, I told him several times that the engine was coming apart.

The dealer acknowledged the knock but stated that they couldn't do anything because it wasn't throwing a code.

Even after it threw the rod the check engine light didn't come on.

Initially the dealer tried to screw him around.

After being told that the engine had less than a quart of oil in it, less than 200 miles after they changed the oil and that either Hyundai had a problem or they had failed to put oil back in it, they decided that Hyundai did have an engine issue.

6 months later he is getting a new engine but not without cost to him.

Hyundai decided that since it was over 100k miles they would only cover 75% of the repair cost.

Never mind that the problem appeared and was documented as a customer complaint by the dealer since 80k miles.

The dealer doing the repair currently has over 200 Elantra's waiting on new engines to be installed and have replaced engines in hundreds more.

There is a class action lawsuit against Hyundai regarding this issue.

I hope that it is very successful.

Whatever Hyundai is doing with their engines isn't on the up and up.

The only thing that Hyundai ever had going for them as a company was they had good powertrains.

With that being in question I can't think of any reason to buy a new Hyundai.

BTW: Kia which is owned by Hyundai is having the exact same issues.

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Hyundai is having tons of issues with their engines at the moment and not just the 2.4L in the Sonata.

The engine in my son's 2019 Elantra threw a rod @ 109k miles.

He'd been complaining about a knocking noise since 80k miles.

The knock was terrible, I told him several times that the engine was coming apart.

The dealer acknowledged the knock but stated that they couldn't do anything because it wasn't throwing a code.

Even after it threw the rod the check engine light didn't come on.

Initially the dealer tried to screw him around.

After being told that the engine had less than a quart of oil in it, less than 200 miles after they changed the oil and that either Hyundai had a problem or they had failed to put oil back in it, they decided that Hyundai did have an engine issue.

6 months later he is getting a new engine but not without cost to him.

Hyundai decided that since it was over 100k miles they would only cover 75% of the repair cost.

Never mind that the problem appeared and was documented as a customer complaint by the dealer since 80k miles.

The dealer doing the repair currently has over 200 Elantra's waiting on new engines to be installed and have replaced engines in hundreds more.

There is a class action lawsuit against Hyundai regarding this issue.

I hope that it is very successful.

Whatever Hyundai is doing with their engines isn't on the up and up.

The only thing that Hyundai ever had going for them as a company was they had good powertrains.

With that being in question I can't think of any reason to buy a new Hyundai.

BTW: Kia which is owned by Hyundai is having the exact same issues.

YEP, NOT good at all.  Call any Hyundai/Kia shop and they will tell you they have several dozen or more engines waiting to be replaced by the recall.  Probably the biggest blunder they have ever done as a mfg. and one of the biggest nationwide recalls ever made by any mfg. ever.

If you have it documented BEFORE 100K miles with engine knock, etc. and then after 100K it gets replaced at only 75%, I say sue them for all they are worth, which by the time this rather costly engine swap is over with they may be bankrupt not in business any longer.

not related, but went into local Hyundai dealer since my 2014 sonata 9 year old AGM OEM battery is not firing quickly anymore in bitter cold winter temps.  I had a coupon dealer sent me for 20 bucks off parts so figured I might use it.  Got there AGM H6 batter 243 bucks and said NOPE, MUST have dealer install it to use 20 bucks off parts.  Well, there goes that savings.  Local Costco has same spec H6 battery for 180.  Which one do you think I will buy?    Just for giggles on way out,  I asked service about checking my car battery.  They said they are booked out for 2 weeks for service on a 10 minute battery check.  NICE - NOT! 

[3fan4life]

My son went to pick up his car today. Asked what the warranty was on the new engine. He was told 12 months 12k miles. The staff acted as if they knew nothing about an additional 100k mile warranty on the new engines. He refused to take the car back as he was clearly told that the new engine would have an additional 100k mi warranty before he authorized the service.
Was told that the service manager would be in on Monday and that he'd have to speak to her.

Hyundai and their dealers are nothing but crooks.

My advice to everyone is not to purchase a Hyundai for any reason.

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My son went to pick up his car today. Asked what the warranty was on the new engine. He was told 12 months 12k miles. The staff acted as if they knew nothing about an additional 100k mile warranty on the new engines. He refused to take the car back as he was clearly told that the new engine would have an additional 100k mi warranty before he authorized the service.
Was told that the service manager would be in on Monday and that he'd have to speak to her.

Hyundai and their dealers are nothing but crooks.

My advice to everyone is not to purchase a Hyundai for any reason.

Yah, have heard all kinds of different ext. warranties on the new engine replacement anywhere between 12K to 100K extra or even lifetime warranty but ONLY if same issue with knock sensor detecting excessive rod clearance or vibration inside engine doing their scope test.  My engine replaced 86K now 113K and near 30K miles later still o.k..  If this new engine not go another 60K easily then me as well scrapping Hyundai/Kia as well in future. 

There is one thing to honor an ext. warranty but should not have had this issue in the first place poor quality control issue from the get go. 

[3fan4life]

He picked up the car today.

There is a "ticking" noise in the engine.

Dealer is saying that is normal, of course these are the same idiots that said a loud knock was OK because the check engine light wasn't on.

The dealer said the Hyundai warranty is 12 months 12k miles, and they will cover the engine for life as long as he lets them change the oil every 7,500 miles.

He's hoping that it will hold together long enough for him to trade it for a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla.

He isn't willing to take a chance on the engine holding together and I can't blame him.

Given the competency level of the dealership, it's highly doubtful that the engine was even put back together correctly.

I hope that Hyundai does go bankrupt over this fiasco.

It would serve them right if they did.

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how many miles on the old engine before replaced?

saying MUST let the dealership change oil every 7500 miles and ONLY then will cover engine for life is absolutely WRONG and against Hyundai mfg. and not legal.    Tell that dealership to put that in writing, I bet they will NOT NEVER.  Blowing smoke up your know what for sure.

Similar to Hyundai dealer telling me they will NEVER cover mfg. warranty if engine fails and do NOT produce the receipts for my own oil and oil filters that I buy every 4-5 months changing my own oil for past 30+ years.    Sludge (excessive sludge)  should never form if changing own oil and kept within the range and changing oil every 4-5K miles every 5-6 months which I have for life.

[3fan4life]

The old engine had about 110k miles.

But it had a dealer documented knock that began around 80k miles.

The acknowledged and documented the knock but kept saying they couldn't do anything about it because there were no codes being thrown.

the computer NEVER threw a code, not even after the engine threw a rod.

The dealer has their own "Warranty" program, that requires allowing them to change the oil every 7,500 miles. The oil change is free but they always try to get you to let them do additional services.

It sounds like this is their offer for coverage beyond 12 months 12k miles.

He's just hoping that it holds together long enough for him to find and trade for a new Corolla or Civic.

I'm kinda hoping that this fiasco does put Hyundai out of business.

They deserve it after building such crappy engines and not standing behind them.

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yah,  I sorta do not mind the newer Honda Civic hatchbacks but not sure around 160hp basic 4 cylinder will be to my liking, but car is lighter weight, but a tad smaller than my sonata. 

Well,  so far I have put on about 27K miles since got my car back in 2021 (yah I drive a TON), and knock on wood still running.  I do every now and again ONLY at a stop sign idling, the engine drop about 100-200 rpms and shudder just for a split second very slightly the past 20K miles, just enough to barely notice it.  I did not feel like going into a hyundai stealership to document it since they are idiots to begin with.  If the sonata does not last another 86K miles on 2nd engine,  then as others said,  scraping it for probably a honda civic hatchback or SUV since these cars are so low to the ground is hard for me to get in/out of.  Cannot complain with the 36 avg mpg they get though vs. any SUV not many get 30 mpg hwy.