Good truck...

[hubcapsc]

I got this truck a few years ago. It was kind of like my Valkyrie,
a good machine, but tired and needed some work. Now it
has had its issues addressed, King suspension, new control
arms and steering rack, new heater core, intake restored to normal,
valve cover leak fixed, brand new OEM wheels and tires from some
guy who put bigger wheels on his new truck that had 19 miles on it...



There was a new Ford 250 at the BBQ last week. One of those Trucks
where you need to stand on a step ladder to look into the bed. Blegghh...
Are new truck buyers compensating for something  ?

Now here's a truck that I think would be an upgrade 



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-ford-f-100-19/

I watched it go to $20,000 almost right away... I wonder what it
will finally sell for in a few days?

-Mike

[..]

Ex Co worker has a Tacoma.

400,000+ miles.

Talked about getting a new truck but just couldn't make himself do it.

[Rams]

Now here's a truck that I think would be an upgrade 



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-ford-f-100-19/

I watched it go to $20,000 almost right away... I wonder what it
will finally sell for in a few days?
-Mike

Now, that's a cool "Old" truck!   I'm not even a ford guy but, I like it.   
I'm not a fan of trucks you need a ladder to get into but, I do like that ford.   

Rams

[f6john]

Other than Ron, Rams, try finding a deal on a truck these days. Prices are ridiculous, to me anyway. Late model used trucks with 100,000+ miles are priced higher than I would want to give for the same truck with half the miles. With the apparent pending increase in fuel prices maybe the market will cool off some. Tacoma trucks have been in high demand for years, a friend of mine was looking for one 10 years ago and couldn’t make himself give the asking prices.

In my case, I just am not comfortable not owning a truck. I’m sure I’ll have to start spending more money on my Titan as time goes by and she rolls over 200,000 miles sometime this year. But I feel better about that than having a $6-700 a month payment  on a newer truck. No longer being in the workforce has changed my attitude towards spending. Actually had an opportunity to buy a 2017 Chevrolet High Country Z-71 with 17,000 miles on it from a private owner whose husband had passed away. But $38,000, which I was told was an excellent price, was just too big a pill for me to swallow. Long live the Titan!

[RustyValkry]

I had been without a truck for 10 years when I went to Daytona Beach, a year ago in February,  to spend a couple weeks with my brother and SIL.  I figured while I was there I'd keep my eyes open for some vehicle that I could use to tow with.  I found a 2004 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer with 183K miles that I decided to go look at, can't hurt to look right. 

It had 'patina' but everything worked except the rear seat dvd player.  When you're talking about an Eddie Bauer everything is a whole lot of power stuff - it all worked and it drove nicely so I bought it.

In the year plus since I've put a little over 10K miles on it with most being towing miles.  Probably the best over the road vehicle I've owned.  Oh, no rust.  I couldn't afford to replace my Expy in today's market.  I'll just keep on top of maintenance and enjoy it.

[old2soon]

     I as looking at the slightly smaller pickups for sale and-DAMN! Iz they Ever proud of em. Honda Ridgeline the Ford Ranger? V6 or those similar G Ms with a V6. And I'd Prefer a manual transmission. 10 12 year old half and 3/4 ton Are outa my price range. Well like Daddy said-wish in one hand kaka in the other hand see whisch one gits full the fastest!  RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

Other than Ron, Rams, try finding a deal on a truck these days. Prices are ridiculous, to me anyway. Late model used trucks with 100,000+ miles are priced higher than I would want to give for the same truck with half the miles. With the apparent pending increase in fuel prices maybe the market will cool off some. Tacoma trucks have been in high demand for years, a friend of mine was looking for one 10 years ago and couldn’t make himself give the asking prices.

In my case, I just am not comfortable not owning a truck. I’m sure I’ll have to start spending more money on my Titan as time goes by and she rolls over 200,000 miles sometime this year. But I feel better about that than having a $6-700 a month payment  on a newer truck. No longer being in the workforce has changed my attitude towards spending. Actually had an opportunity to buy a 2017 Chevrolet High Country Z-71 with 17,000 miles on it from a private owner whose husband had passed away. But $38,000, which I was told was an excellent price, was just too big a pill for me to swallow. Long live the Titan!

same here,  I have been researching 2021 new tundra (NONE to be found)  and after looking at used tundra and used tacoma prices thru the ROOF around me is INSANE high asking price.  My kid and fiance is looking at a used tacoma have 2 of them sitting 2018 SR5 mid-level trim in their same city for sale on 2 different lots.  Both ONLY 29K miles on them but asking price is 33K on both of them.  I researched NEW 2018 SR5 identical tacoma's bought NEW in 2018 and price to buy was 36K out the door.  What the f?  3K depreciation in 3 years?  NO way is that normal.  I could see 30K tops since lower miles and NOT many used ones around,  is about it.   

I then started researching for them used 2018-2019 honda ridgelines.  Same thing cheapest one I found was 31K - NUTS.  That is asking price, but the few times I have went in the dealers were NOT negotiating much off asking price, if any.   When my ex-neighbor in late 2019 was researching end of model year clearance on 2019 honda ridgelines same SPORT trim level out the door pricing was 31K brand new.  What the F?  asking 31K for a used 2019 honda ridgeline when NEW 2-3 years ago was 31K to purchase new? 

I understand is supply and demand, but that is just insane asking price on both trucks.  Dealer nearby has my identical 2017 or 2018 tundra double cab SR5 asking 33K near same miles as on mine now.    I spent 37K NEW on mine in late 2017.  4K depreciation in near 4 years?  NUTS! 

I like your double cab longer bed tacoma should serve you well for another decade or more I hope.  Surely beats trying to find a newer, lower mileage tacoma since NONE to be had. 

[RustyValkry]

What's really ridiculous is to spend BIG $$$$$ on a new truck in the rust belt and watch it turn into a rust bucket within 10 years.  I'm in New Jersey and I'll never waste the money on a new vehicle again.

BTW, the Expedition I bought is a summer vehicle, in the winter I'll head south and store the Expy.  Or I'll leave the state whichever way it works out.

[f6john]

Ridgeline  and Tacoma really not in the same class but I did see one on market place today for what seems like a decent deal. 08 with 59,000 miles for $14,900, private seller and it “looked” clean.

[sandy]

I’m keeping my ‘94 F150. Only has 123K and it all works fine. Can’t handle a late teens F150 with 150K for $23K. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

[cookiedough]

Ridgeline  and Tacoma really not in the same class but I did see one on market place today for what seems like a decent deal. 08 with 59,000 miles for $14,900, private seller and it “looked” clean.

how you figure?  ridgeline tows 5K lbs. while tacoma near 7K lbs.   ridgeline FWD suv platform vs. tacoma RWD truck frame.  In my eyes they are near the same truck size-wise and capability wise for everyday needs.  yah, if go off-roading the tacoma is better, but who takes a 30K truck offroad much?  ridgeline is bigger interior, better mpg, near same powerwise, and rides nicer by far than a tacoma.  I consider a ridgeline a truck even though some do not.  If I did not have a 4000 lb. trailer to pull a few times per year  a ridgeline would serve most of my needs most of the time as a truck.

[msb]

Ridgeline  and Tacoma really not in the same class but I did see one on market place today for what seems like a decent deal. 08 with 59,000 miles for $14,900, private seller and it “looked” clean.

how you figure?  ridgeline tows 5K lbs. while tacoma near 7K lbs.   ridgeline FWD suv platform vs. tacoma RWD truck frame.  In my eyes they are near the same truck size-wise and capability wise for everyday needs.  yah, if go off-roading the tacoma is better, but who takes a 30K truck offroad much?  ridgeline is bigger interior, better mpg, near same powerwise, and rides nicer by far than a tacoma.  I consider a ridgeline a truck even though some do not.  If I did not have a 4000 lb. trailer to pull a few times per year  a ridgeline would serve most of my needs most of the time as a truck.

Bought  a new 2017 Tacoma TRD Off Road....great reliable truck and very good off road. We bought a 17' 3000 lb trailer to travel up North and camp out at our fishing lakes in retirement, which is why I traded my Jeep in on the Tacoma...figured best of both worlds, towing the smaller trailer with the 6800 lb capacity, and still good off road capabilities. Well, towing our new 3000 lb (probably close to 4k loaded) with the Tacoma sucked big time. OK power,  but the 6 speed tranny hunted gears all day long, annoying the he** out of me and it was always in 2nd or 3rd gear on any moderate incline (lots of inclines here). Gas milage wasn't great to begin with unloaded, and was REAL bad towing the trailer.
Got rid of it beginning of last year and purchased a new F150 XTR. With the 5 L and 10 speed tranny, I don't even know the trailers back there now, and I get noticeably better milage both towing and even unloaded than i ever got with the Tacoma. And I'm  a lot more comfy inside as well. Again, the Tacoma is a great truck, but not if you want to tow anything more than a couple thousand lbs.

[Rams]

Other than Ron, Rams, try finding a deal on a truck these days. Prices are ridiculous, to me anyway.

John,
The truth is, when the truck you want isn't what is popular, the price is normally lower.  This truck is equipped precisely the way I would have ordered it.  I got lucky, kinda.   I spent two years looking for a truck equipped the way I wanted it.   I wasn't about to "special order" one.

The truck I am currently driving (and will for as long as possible) is not a popular optioned truck.   It was "specially" ordered by an older couple to tow their very large RV trailer.  Something happened and they backed out of the deal and lost their down payment.   It was built to tow and it's Cummins powered.   It has a regular cab and is two wheel drive versus what's popular as in Mega (4 door) cabs with 4wd.    It's rare that more than two people are in my truck, in fact, I'm alone in it 90% of the time.   I have no need for a Mega Cab.   If the roads are so bad I need 4WD, I'll wait.    The vast majority of 4wd capable vehicles never use the 4wd.   For me, it's a waste of money and capability, requires more maintenance and uses more fuel.

I personally think it's silly to demand 4WD when it's not going to be used.   Been told before that I might need it.   Yeah, that's always possible, I might need a nuclear weapon at some point also.  
I got a great deal on my truck because, it's one that very few folks want.   If I ever trade it in, that's what I'll be told.  So, if you want a great deal on something, look for a less popular version.   It is, what it is.    

Rams

[Binkie]

I’ve noticed down here where I live those Tacoma Pick Ups are extremely popular. I’ve always owned GM trucks. I tow a lot with my trucks so a full size 2500-3500 is needed. I have to admit, Randy has got me looking at Fords with 6.0l diesel that have been bulletproofed. You can pick those up pretty reasonably.

[f6john]

Ridgeline  and Tacoma really not in the same class but I did see one on market place today for what seems like a decent deal. 08 with 59,000 miles for $14,900, private seller and it “looked” clean.

how you figure?  ridgeline tows 5K lbs. while tacoma near 7K lbs.   ridgeline FWD suv platform vs. tacoma RWD truck frame.  In my eyes they are near the same truck size-wise and capability wise for everyday needs.  yah, if go off-roading the tacoma is better, but who takes a 30K truck offroad much?  ridgeline is bigger interior, better mpg, near same powerwise, and rides nicer by far than a tacoma.  I consider a ridgeline a truck even though some do not.  If I did not have a 4000 lb. trailer to pull a few times per year  a ridgeline would serve most of my needs most of the time as a truck.

Ridgeline is a unibody while Tacoma is body on frame. I think in the realm of vehicles it puts them in different categories. Actually it seems you answered your own question.

[f6john]

I’ve noticed down here where I live those Tacoma Pick Ups are extremely popular. I’ve always owned GM trucks. I tow a lot with my trucks so a full size 2500-3500 is needed. I have to admit, Randy has got me looking at Fords with 6.0l diesel that have been bulletproofed. You can pick those up pretty reasonably.

I have not heard of these bulletproofed 6.0 Ford diesels, tell me more.

[Rams]

I’ve noticed down here where I live those Tacoma Pick Ups are extremely popular. I’ve always owned GM trucks. I tow a lot with my trucks so a full size 2500-3500 is needed. I have to admit, Randy has got me looking at Fords with 6.0l diesel that have been bulletproofed. You can pick those up pretty reasonably.

I have not heard of these bulletproofed 6.0 Ford diesels, tell me more.

Bullet Proof 6L fords?   That goes against everything I heard and seen.   Might depend on how it's used and maintained.   Every thing I've ever been told about that particular engine was that it's one to avoid.   Not knocking Ford, just relaying what my friends with that engine have told me.   I'm a Cummins fan so, what I know about Fords is limited.

Rams

[Hook#3287]

I’ve noticed down here where I live those Tacoma Pick Ups are extremely popular. I’ve always owned GM trucks. I tow a lot with my trucks so a full size 2500-3500 is needed. I have to admit, Randy has got me looking at Fords with 6.0l diesel that have been bulletproofed. You can pick those up pretty reasonably.

I have not heard of these bulletproofed 6.0 Ford diesels, tell me more.

Bullet Proof 6L fords?   That goes against everything I heard and seen.   Might depend on how it's used.   Every thing I've ever been told about that particular engine was that it's one to avoid.   Not knocking Ford, just relaying what my friends with that engine have told me.   I'm a Cummins fan so, what I know about Fords is limited.

Rams

Different strokes for different folks, just not the ford 6L diesel Powerstroke. 

I've always been a mopar guy, but I bought my 03 Dodge Dually Diesel for the Cummings.  Straight 6  simplicity and historically proven reliability. It has not let me down for over 170k.

Living in New England, the 4 wheel drive has saved a tow truck call several times and the dually is awesome for local equipment hauling.

If I was long hauling, I'd still do a dually, but 2 wheel drive would work.

[RustyValkry]

Other than Ron, Rams, try finding a deal on a truck these days. Prices are ridiculous, to me anyway.

John,
The truth is, when the truck you want isn't what is popular, the price is normally lower.  This truck is equipped precisely the way I would have ordered it.  I got lucky, kinda.   I spent two years looking for a truck equipped the way I wanted it.   I wasn't about to "special order" one.

The truck I am currently driving (and will for as long as possible) is not a popular optioned truck.   It was "specially" ordered by an older couple to tow their very large RV trailer.  Something happened and they backed out of the deal and lost their down payment.   It was built to tow and it's Cummins powered.   It has a regular cab and is two wheel drive versus what's popular as in Mega (4 door) cabs with 4wd.    It's rare that more than two people are in my truck, in fact, I'm alone in it 90% of the time.   I have no need for a Mega Cab.   If the roads are so bad I need 4WD, I'll wait.    The vast majority of 4wd capable vehicles never use the 4wd.   For me, it's a waste of money and capability, requires more maintenance and uses more fuel.

I personally think it's silly to demand 4WD when it's not going to be used.   Been told before that I might need it.   Yeah, that's always possible, I might need a nuclear weapon at some point also.  
I got a great deal on my truck because, it's one that very few folks want.   If I ever trade it in, that's what I'll be told.  So, if you want a great deal on something, look for a less popular version.   It is, what it is.    

Rams

My Expedition is 2WD.  It has the towing package so has all the right stuff for towing.  If I recall correctly it is rated to tow over 8000 lb. but I'd never try to tow that much.  I agree with you about not needing 4WD.  Very few people NEED 4WD but it seems most WANT 4WD.

[scooperhsd]

Never owned a 4WD vehicle (I don't think I've even driven one ) in my entire life.

[..]

It's at $30,000

[f6john]

Deep Pockets John’s Titan is 4WD and my truck before it was too. When I was in the remodeling business there were times I needed to drive around peoples yards, sometimes pulling a trailer. Invariably in pervious 2 WD trucks on grass I would find myself spinning and causing ruts, especially when backing on an incline or when the trailer was at a odd angle. With 4WD and an automatic I can just idle around, no muss no fuss. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

It's at $30,000

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else. I wish he wanted an 05 Titan that bad!

[..]

My 4WD Toyota 4 Runner zombie killer got me in and out of a few scrapes. 2WD would have been a problem.

Ladyfriends Jeep is 4WD and it gets used.

[hubcapsc]

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else.

I'd love to pay 30K for it  ...

I guess it will be at least 40, maybe more...



-Mike

[Rams]

Deep Pockets John’s Titan is 4WD and my truck before it was too. When I was in the remodeling business there were times I needed to drive around peoples yards, sometimes pulling a trailer. Invariably in pervious 2 WD trucks on grass I would find myself spinning and causing ruts, especially when backing on an incline or when the trailer was at a odd angle. With 4WD and an automatic I can just idle around, no muss no fuss. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

It's at $30,000

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else. I wish he wanted an 05 Titan that bad!

John, I may have come off too harshly.   There are exceptions to every rule.   Yours being an obvious one.   But, having said that, the huge vast majority of 4WD vehicles out there never leave the asphalt and never use 4WD, they cost more to operate and to maintain.   The automotive industry has done an excellent job of upselling IMHO, YMMV.

Rams

[f6john]

Deep Pockets John’s Titan is 4WD and my truck before it was too. When I was in the remodeling business there were times I needed to drive around peoples yards, sometimes pulling a trailer. Invariably in pervious 2 WD trucks on grass I would find myself spinning and causing ruts, especially when backing on an incline or when the trailer was at a odd angle. With 4WD and an automatic I can just idle around, no muss no fuss. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

It's at $30,000

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else. I wish he wanted an 05 Titan that bad!

John, I may have come off too harshly.   There are exceptions to every rule.   Yours being an obvious one.   But, having said that, the huge vast majority of 4WD vehicles out there never leave the asphalt and never use 4WD, they cost more to operate and to maintain.   The automotive industry has done an excellent job of upselling IMHO, YMMV.

Rams

Harsh, you? Heaven forbid! But I agree about the seldom use of most 4WD vehicles. Given the circumstances, I would have bought the same vehicle as you did for its intended purpose.

[hubcapsc]

Hey Rams, I hope this isn't too harsh... I HATE HATE HATE 2wd trucks   ...



-Mike

[Rams]

Hey Rams, I hope this isn't too harsh... I HATE HATE HATE 2wd trucks   ...



-Mike

Most assuredly, you shouldn't buy one.   

Rams

[pais]

This is one reason I own a truck.

This quote of Ram's I think pertains to me; "I got a great deal on my truck because, it's one that very few folks want." 
I've owned this '08 Tacoma 2wd, 4cyl going on 2yrs now. Had 91k on it when I bought it for $7k. Amazing how many Tacoma Quad Cab 4wd trucks are on the road, at the price they get new and used. Yes new and used truck price$ are a joke, regardless of brand.

[Binkie]

6.0L Power Stroke as being "bulletproofed" when it has at least four of the five main problem areas addressed. These five areas are: Oil cooler, EGR cooler, head studs, fuel injection control module (FICM), and water pump.

If these have been done then the engine is bulletproofed. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one. And you will usually fine a good deal on one since the market has shunned these vehicles. Model years are 2003-2007 6.0L Ford Powerstroke.

[f6john]

Wonder why Ford didn’t bullit proof them from the factory? Are you familiar with the process? Are we talking factory fixes, aftermarket fixes, better quality parts, ect.? I know head studs would be very labor intensive, not sure about the rest.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Now here's a truck that I think would be an upgrade 



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-ford-f-100-19/

I watched it go to $20,000 almost right away... I wonder what it
will finally sell for in a few days?

-Mike

I’ve never been in to Fords. And I’m not in the market for another truck. But if I was I’d like one like my first 4 wheel vehicle.

[cookiedough]

Ridgeline  and Tacoma really not in the same class but I did see one on market place today for what seems like a decent deal. 08 with 59,000 miles for $14,900, private seller and it “looked” clean.

how you figure?  ridgeline tows 5K lbs. while tacoma near 7K lbs.   ridgeline FWD suv platform vs. tacoma RWD truck frame.  In my eyes they are near the same truck size-wise and capability wise for everyday needs.  yah, if go off-roading the tacoma is better, but who takes a 30K truck offroad much?  ridgeline is bigger interior, better mpg, near same powerwise, and rides nicer by far than a tacoma.  I consider a ridgeline a truck even though some do not.  If I did not have a 4000 lb. trailer to pull a few times per year  a ridgeline would serve most of my needs most of the time as a truck.

Bought  a new 2017 Tacoma TRD Off Road....great reliable truck and very good off road. We bought a 17' 3000 lb trailer to travel up North and camp out at our fishing lakes in retirement, which is why I traded my Jeep in on the Tacoma...figured best of both worlds, towing the smaller trailer with the 6800 lb capacity, and still good off road capabilities. Well, towing our new 3000 lb (probably close to 4k loaded) with the Tacoma sucked big time. OK power,  but the 6 speed tranny hunted gears all day long, annoying the he** out of me and it was always in 2nd or 3rd gear on any moderate incline (lots of inclines here). Gas milage wasn't great to begin with unloaded, and was REAL bad towing the trailer.
Got rid of it beginning of last year and purchased a new F150 XTR. With the 5 L and 10 speed tranny, I don't even know the trailers back there now, and I get noticeably better milage both towing and even unloaded than i ever got with the Tacoma. And I'm  a lot more comfy inside as well. Again, the Tacoma is a great truck, but not if you want to tow anything more than a couple thousand lbs.

agree, whether it be a ford ranger, chevy colorado/s-10, honda ridgeline, or tacoma,  if you tow much over say 3500lbs. the engine will be hunting for gears and struggling on anything but mostly level roads.   They claim 7000lbs. towing, but I would love to see one do it for very long at all, NO WAY for me.  I have a 4000lb. trailer loaded up and know that any V6 or high output 4 cylinder would not tow it well.  I know it is back there in my 1/2 ton truck but not an issue.  For those macho guys who claim their 1/2 ton truck can pull 10000 lbs. or IMO anything much over 7500lbs.,   good luck, love to see them do it and see how they think after towing it awhile.

[hubcapsc]

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else.

I'd love to pay 30K for it  ...

I guess it will be at least 40, maybe more...



-Mike

A lady asked if I was interested in selling my truck at the grocery store
a few days ago. If you want a truck, money ain't worth much  ...

-Mike

[GiG]

The guy who wants to pay $30k plus for that must have at least one of everything else.

I'd love to pay 30K for it   ...

I guess it will be at least 40, maybe more...



-Mike

A lady asked if I was interested in selling my truck at the grocery store
a few days ago. If you want a truck, money ain't worth much   ...

-Mike

Look at it this way - It would be very hard to buy a new truck for $48000 today, but this classic is easy to work on compared to the new rolling computers and it is a great looking attention getter.
The new buyer is probably very happy with the purchase...

I had the identical truck around 1983, except mine was a former Firestone fleet truck with dents on every surface. Solid ride!

[hubcapsc]

Look at it this way - It would be very hard to buy a new truck for $48000 today, but this classic is easy to work on compared to the new rolling computers and it is a great looking attention getter.

That's exactly how I look at it  ... I'd love to have that truck.

I was feeling blessed rolling down the road in my truck yesterday, purchased tired, but now
refurbished with new OEM steering rack and lower control arms, Total Chaos upper
control arms, KING suspension front and rear and sweet progressive (many leaves)
leaf spring set.

Good old trucks rule...

-Mike

[GiG]

Mike, I bought my Ranger about the same time you got your Taco truck. 
I'm happy with it but the Ranger is showing its age since I got it, nowhere near as nice as your truck. I was looking at Toyotas at the time (we talked some about it...), but way too pricy and way too many miles on the used ones.  It would still be nice to have a Taco, though.

My old truck is very similar to this (different wheels)...

... not about to go hauling brush and scrap in her any time soon, but lots of fun on cruise night around here!

[hubcapsc]

I was looking at Toyotas at the time (we talked some about it...), but way too pricy

It's stoopid. I paid around $11,000 for a 2002 with 150K on it, and as I said, it was tired.
They quit with the 1st Gen Tacomas in 2004, so I had to go old to get a small truck. They're
all giant now.

I put a bunch more into it to refresh it. But it is a nice truck now, will probably go along with
just oil changes for a long time the way I use it and all told it was as "cheap" or cheaper than
the cheapest "econobox" car...

-Mike

[Wizzard]

trucks are in short supply right now. I checked KBB and my dealer and I can get what I paid for my truck 3 years ago.  In fact I can get more if I want to sell it to my dealer/

[pais]

It's stoopid. I paid around $11,000 for a 2002 with 150K on it, and as I said, it was tired.
They quit with the 1st Gen Tacomas in 2004, so I had to go old to get a small truck. They're
all giant now.

-Mike

One of my biggest gripes is that you can't find a true compact size truck. The Tacomas are about as close as you can get. IMO, trucks such as the "new" Rangers and Colorados are the size of what used to be a 1/2 ton truck. The newer 1/2's are enormous and ridiculously expen$ive. My 2nd gen '08 Tacoma is what I would call a compact size PU. Though each gen gets a little bigger.