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f6john
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« on: May 24, 2021, 07:33:51 AM »

One or two of these on their fishing boat?




600hp V12’s




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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2021, 09:55:19 AM »

I couldn't even afford a PROP for one of those. Shocked
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2021, 10:04:24 AM »

       Credit card debit card and check book ALL just caught fire!  Evil And all 3 uttered before they incinerated themselves-don't Even THINK about it!  2funny But DANG-50H P per hole!  cooldude RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2021, 10:21:15 AM »

My son has an inboard boat with twin 580+CI supercharged v8s.  Sorry, don't remember the exact CIs. That thing scares me just sitting on it's trailer.  He just had some engine work done upping the hp.   I drove that boat on KY's biggest lake and even doing that at a moderate 70 mph, it scared the crap out of me.   I'd never even think of opening it up.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2021, 10:36:45 AM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2021, 12:46:15 PM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually. 

Would that be $77,000 each or together

600HP  each or total?
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f6john
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2021, 01:39:05 PM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually. 

Would that be $77,000 each or together

600HP  each or total?

Jess will have to verify the cost but the horsepower is each!
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2021, 01:40:29 PM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually. 

Would that be $77,000 each or together

600HP  each or total?

My google search indicated each.  Look it up. 
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2021, 01:46:24 PM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually. 

Would that be $77,000 each or together

600HP  each or total?


 

My google search indicated each.  Look it up. 

           And the ashes just relit!  Kiss 154G Just fer the Engines!  Lips Sealed Boat extra?  Roll Eyes RIDE SAFE.
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f6john
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2021, 01:49:41 PM »

Retail pricing is said to be "in the $77,000 range."   Shocked

All the fishing in my life was pretty slow speed.  Standing still actually. 

Would that be $77,000 each or together

600HP  each or total?


 

My google search indicated each.  Look it up. 

           And the ashes just relit!  Kiss 154G Just fer the Engines!  Lips Sealed Boat extra?  Roll Eyes RIDE SAFE.

And those engines in the picture is attached to a 43 footer, $$$$
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2021, 03:54:29 PM »

My fish comes from Publix...it's cheaper Wink

My boss has a big offshore boat with twin outboards like that (new) and trailers it, then needs a new $80k truck to haul the boat. He took me offshore and the fuel was $600 bucks alone, never stayed in one spot too long, no hits and he'd move, on balls to the wall to the next GPS coordinates. He has 70 rods and reels for different types of fishing. We left before sun up and returned at dusk, then had to clean the boat and the fish, more than any one man could keep, gave most of it away at work. It was fun for a day but not for me. I prefer shallow intra-Coastal flats/mangrove fishing from a canoe or john boat. Easy, peaceful and I can walk to shore in an emergency.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2021, 04:36:02 PM »

My buddy has a pristine older 42' Chris Craft.   He calls it his luxury apartment on the water.

It's twin 454s use about the same amount of gas (not even wide open) as if you slowly dumped buckets of gas over the side.

Last time I went out with him, I gave him a Franklin.  He thanked me and said folks that kick in five bucks are clueless.

It mostly doesn't leave the dock.  The club initiation, annual dues, and dock and haul-out charges would make a real nice down payment on a house.

And the Potomac is a mud hole, and not real water.  

I grew up on boats, mostly sailing.  My favorite boats are someone else's boats.

I get my fish at Costco.

The last fish I saw in the wild was snorkeling off Sand Key, below Key West.  Diving to the bottom, I turned around and there were a pair of 4' and 5' Barracudas about two feet away following me, with all those teeth showing.  I think I pooped my cutoffs.



Unlike the Great Lakes, the oceans are full of freeking monsters.  

EDIT:  Another time in FL, I had the heck scared out of me by a Manatee.  You're in the water, you can't tell what it is, but it's coming toward you underwater and it's the size of a Toyota.  I would have beat Johnny Weismuller back to the boat. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2021, 05:02:18 PM »

My buddy has a pristine older 42' Chris Craft.   He calls it his luxury apartment on the water.

It's twin 454s use about the same amount of gas (not even wide open) as if you slowly dumped buckets of gas over the side.

Last time I went out with him, I gave him a Franklin.  He thanked me and said folks that kick in five bucks are clueless.

It mostly doesn't leave the dock.  The club initiation, annual dues, and dock and haul-out charges would make a real nice down payment on a house.

And the Potomac is a mud hole, and not real water.  

I grew up on boats, mostly sailing.  My favorite boats are someone else's boats.

I get my fish at Costco.

The last fish I saw in the wild was snorkeling off Sand Key, below Key West.  Diving to the bottom, I turned around and there were a pair of 4' and 5' Barracudas about two feet away following me, with all those teeth showing.  I think I pooped my cutoffs.



Unlike the Great Lakes, the oceans are full of freeking monsters. 

I have been boating since I am 18 yrs old, I have a 28ft with twin 225 HP Yamaha's. I never had one person ever throw me even 5Bucks for fuel, then they run off when it's cleaning time. So yeah I am sure your friend appreciated the Franklin  cooldude
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2021, 07:21:30 PM »

There are some hobbies that cost money (and/or work).

If you're going to enjoy another guy's expensive hobby, you should kick in some (money and/or work).

Unless you look great in a bikini, then you don't have to.  But otherwise.....  Grin

(bikini on boat pictures withheld)

Ammo also comes to mind.  
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2021, 07:37:59 PM »

         I recall when I was still sorta like water skiing that marina fuel was generally 3 to 5 times or more than land sations. We fueled that 455 I/O Buick at a land station usually. Some-not you current or past boaters-but some folks do NOT Believe how quickly that 455 gulps fuel W F O! BUT at the time I wuz younger and while Married No Children at that time. Can NOT even imagine todays costs at a marina for fuel. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2021, 08:46:57 PM »

sorry, someone might be compensating for something too small by having HUGE outboards.... LOL   Grin

So, how fast does one need to go, really?  Why spend 1,000's more when a 150hp-200hp will do just fine?  Does one really need to go much over 40 mph on the water of any kind unless into racing? 

I have a 40hp tiller outboard mercury on my 17 foot alumacraft semi-vhull not a true deep V and that lighter fishing boat flies at 38 mph top speed with 2 adults in it according to GPS.  It goes as fast as most heavier boats bigger at 17-19 foot with 75 hp engines on them full throttle that I know since have seen many on the fishing lakes and going side by side wide open we are going same speed on the water as they are.

Those monster engines IMO are just status symbols NOT needed at all IMO.  Just like both my neighbors one just bought 2 new 2-up ATVS with a near 30K new polaris razor 4 seater 1000cc turbo while the other neighbor bought a new 25K honda pioneer 5 seater 1000cc UTV.  Here I am with my can am outlander 2-up bought USED 800cc ATV for 5K and can go as fast or faster than at least the honda pioneer him 65 mph me at 73 mph which is also pretty equal on par with the 1000cc turbo razor I think capped at 75 mph top speed and know is faster than the honda pioneer and would be a close race for sure with the much heavier/bigger 1000cc razor 4 seater UTV in a drag race.  ONLY thing they do better is seats 4-5 people but all they use them for is to run downtown 1 mile to show them off is all.  I am not a high mileage yearly cycle or ATV rider by any means, but at least having 3600 miles on my used ATV is better than spending 30K on a NEW UTV having 1 year later 100 miles tops on it.  If I take my ATV out on the ATV trails here in WI, is around 100 miles per outing, give or take, which is a near full day of riding.

Same can be said for all the 20K on up HD's around me.  Hey, lets drive them 5 miles from bar to bar to bar and drink letting cycles sit outside for anyone dumb enough to admire them.  I may not have more than a 5K Valk, but at least I know it will go further than bar to bar to bar....   2funny

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2021, 01:08:47 AM »

Two things  come to mind.   Ass, Grass, or Gas.  Nobody  rides for free.  And ,  its sure  expensive  to have a small penis.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2021, 02:56:07 AM »

sorry, someone might be compensating for something too small by having HUGE outboards.... LOL   Grin

So, how fast does one need to go, really?  Why spend 1,000's more when a 150hp-200hp will do just fine?  Does one really need to go much over 40 mph on the water of any kind unless into racing? 


I'm not a boater, don't even have a desire to go out with another on a boat, I do find it ironic that anyone that rides a Valkyrie would say the above.   Seriously?   2funny
We all have our passions.   

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2021, 07:59:04 AM »

My only interaction with a Barracuda,





Those pictures are from about 1983. A project that never got finished although it still exists in my BIL’s barn. Had the internet existed back then it would have been much easier to complete, just weren’t any parts/donor cars to be found in my neck of the woods.


As to the cost of people’s toys, I have come to the conclusion that many people in America make way more money than their monthly needs and there are many businesses that exist to develop products to help them bleed off that excess income. I don’t happen to be one of those people but I have benefited from time to time picking up their cast offs. I made more money than my Father and my son has surpassed by best income producing years and I hope that same future holds true for my grandkids. I’m not sure that translates to happiness because my parents were always happy and content in their lives. Maybe it’s the feeling of security that having more than sufficient income brings. Anyways, more power to all the up and millionaires and keep those boat and motor manufacturers and their employees busy and making money.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2021, 09:37:39 AM »

         I recall when I was still sorta like water skiing that marina fuel was generally 3 to 5 times or more than land sations. We fueled that 455 I/O Buick at a land station usually. Some-not you current or past boaters-but some folks do NOT Believe how quickly that 455 gulps fuel W F O! BUT at the time I wuz younger and while Married No Children at that time. Can NOT even imagine todays costs at a marina for fuel. RIDE SAFE.

My mom and dad bought new a 1972 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser with the 455 4 barrel carb. You  could WATCH the gas guage go down when pressed hard enough (my dad did a couple times) Smiley .
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2021, 12:21:36 PM »

The outboard motors are only $77000 each and up.

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2021, 07:06:14 PM »

The outboard motors are only $77000 each and up.

               da prez

ONLY.... Grin   

As having 2 Valks I feel they are not overpriced expensive and not overpowered as compared to most other cycles made nowadays costing 20K on up.  I feel our Valks have controlled power not overly fast nor slow and not super huge, to me at least, unlike those twin HUGE outboards in the pic above.

I guess though more power to them they keep others in business spending that kind of dough on them.  Someone has to right to keep the economy going?
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2021, 08:03:20 PM »

Boats like the twin 600's are just for burning money up.

I live by the ocean and have been off shore to fish, not worth the trip. In general you can only go so fast or you beat the boat and yourself to death.

Here's a video with big engine boats and a rough inlet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKVCiXpfNsE&t=201s
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2021, 03:18:17 AM »

That video reminds me why I prefer sailing.  Though I've been in some pretty bad weather in them too.  But no beating to death like that.  And if you run out of air, you drop the 5-7hp outboard in the water and putt along your journey.

Somewhat similar to motorcycle riding.... it the trip that's the fun, not the getting there at the highest possible speed.

 
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2021, 03:52:35 AM »

" My favorite boats are someone else's boats.  "



Yep, I like that !  I'm trying to make mine someone else's.
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2021, 03:59:41 AM »

I am in awe of those who can (or do even if they are in hock to their eyeballs)

We prefer the hottub for our action

But last night the temp of 104 just about knocked me out after a full day of work

Hey Gig, when are you and Lulu comin back this way?

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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2021, 10:45:25 AM »

We prefer the hottub for our action

You have to watch that chlorine, it can really burn sensitive parts.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2021, 09:02:44 PM »

Boats like the twin 600's are just for burning money up.

I live by the ocean and have been off shore to fish, not worth the trip. In general you can only go so fast or you beat the boat and yourself to death.

Here's a video with big engine boats and a rough inlet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKVCiXpfNsE&t=201s

yah,  sometimes though as shown in that utube video going TOO slow is much worse vs too fast...

Only 2 times have I been scared and put on my life jacket once was in Door County in lake Michigan with my 14 foot 25hp fishing boat at the time.  I had no business being out there even though only few 100 yards off shore in the waves, needed a bigger boat for sure unless pretty calm.  2nd time was on Lake Mendota in Madison WI my 17 foot 40hp fishing boat  other side of lake very windy about 25 mph sustained winds white caps coming at me got soaked on that one doing 4-5 miles across the lake to get back to boat launch riding the waves just right on/off the outboard as needed took a few big BANGS on that one on my spine and the boat as well.

tried that off shore charter fishing with a large group of people on a boat got my 1st ever sea sickness on that one about 10 miles off shore to GPS coordinates.  Only caught a few snapper is all and some black ugly fish no idea what it was but the charter guys grilled it on their top deck and was good.  What sucked was spending 3/4 of our alloted time going from place to place ONLY to fish at each one for 15-20 minutes and if no one on board caught anything then onto the next GPS mapped area.  Most I talked to locally said you have to go more on a private charter smaller boat of 2-3 people is all to get the best fishing experience and I would agree.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2021, 08:57:18 PM »

This thread came to mind when these these engines.

https://www.startengine.com/alfadan

This company is working with serious people in the boating world. We'll see where they go with this engine idea. I should say serious parts manufacturers in the boating world, those companies wouldn't give the time of day to a stupid idea.

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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2021, 04:00:54 AM »

I've got one of those black engines, but, mine is missing 20 of those cylinders.  Grin
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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2021, 01:55:40 PM »

This thread came to mind when about these engines.

https://www.startengine.com/alfadan

This company is working with serious people in the boating world. We'll see where they go with this engine idea. I should say serious parts manufacturers in the boating world, those companies wouldn't give the time of day to a stupid idea.



Interesting never heard of alfadan as a boat motor company.  If costs are not much more than a typical  outboard,  probably worth it if reliable LONG term.    My old 1997 40 hp 4 cylinder Mercury outboard is not very fuel efficient, but smooth running.  I would say it burns thru 2x's the amount of gas as a 25 hp outboard would do which my 17 ft. fishing boat would be fine with either, just top speed 25hp around 28mph vs. 38mph with my 40hp which in a 17 foot semi-vhull tiller model is flying right along IMO. 

The place/boat dealer I bought it from a few years later told me to hang onto it since Mercury went with a 3 cylinder 40hp (and other hp ranges) to save on weight and more so fuel efficiency, but they are not as smooth running as my 4 cylinder.    I wanted to get a HONDA 40hp outboard but back then 4 strokes were in my 40hp range an extra 1500 bucks to purchase vs 2-strokes and the only few times I run the engine every year could not justify even 30 years later to spend that extra 1500 bucks upfront. 
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