Ammoprices site

[Savago]

They collect data and update for many different calibers:
https://ammopricesnow.com/

[Serk]

Ammoseek is another good one I've used many times:

https://ammoseek.com/

[carolinarider09]

Thanks Serk;

Did not know such sites existed. 

[Chrisj CMA]

I can’t believe I actually feel lucky to find .357 magnum jhp for $1 per round. Two boxes delivered yesterday. That’s cheap right now but it’s the most I’ve ever paid for .357 ammo. But I need lots since getting the 1894. It’s soooooo fun to shoot

[Jess from VA]

38's will work fine in it, and save ammo cost (for fun shooting).  

Except for one box of Sig V Crown .380, I have not bought one bullet during this ammo craziness (but haven't shot much either).  Later, I realized I should have bought every box they had (not many).   

[Chrisj CMA]

38's will work fine in it, and save ammo cost (for fun shooting).  

Except for one box of Sig V Crown .380, I have not bought one bullet during this ammo craziness (but haven't shot much either).  Later, I realized I should have bought every box they had (not many).  

I know .38 rounds will work but I’m still trying to dial this rifle in for accuracy and if I’m ever going to kill a wild hog with it it will be with .357. I now have 1000 rounds of .357 and 500 of the S&W 500. I’m ready

[Jess from VA]

Hog hunting sounds like amazing good fun.      

Unless they charge in gangs.  I remember an old Marlin Perkins Wild Kingdom show (I think), when they were bow hunting big tuskers, and they had a backup guy with a full auto M3 grease gun (and they needed it during the show when the pigs got angry).  

[old2soon]

Hog hunting sounds like amazing good fun.      

Unless they charge in gangs.  I remember an old Marlin Perkins Wild Kingdom show (I think), when they were bow hunting big tuskers, and they had a backup guy with a full auto M3 grease gun (and they needed it during the show when the pigs got angry).  

          Went once or twice on that hog huntin thang in East Texas. Lightest thing you could bring was a .357! Couple of backups with .44 mags. You hit em wrong with either bore you just piss em off. Glad I were mucho younger when I did that!  RIDE SAFE.

[Chrisj CMA]

My plan is to take the pig with my S&W 500. If it’s a bit farther than say 25-30 yards then the 1894. If I get the accuracy nailed down I’d be confident at 60-80 yards with the .357 rifle

[Jess from VA]

Studying pistol caliber ballistics in rifles is interesting. 

I found this:  Paco Kelly is known as the father/guru of hunting with the 357 lever guns. The best numbers meaning the most testing will be in the Rossi forum or on leverguns.com.  He shows about 600-700 fps difference between a 6 inch barrel and a 20 inch one with hot loads.  If you look at the Ballistics by the Inch Chart it shows that to be about 750-800 foot pounds in the 6 inch pistol and over 1,200 foot pounds in the rifle.  Basically doubles the hunting range from about 75 yards to 150 yards.

https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/357_magnum_and_the_literature.htm

[Chrisj CMA]

Studying pistol caliber ballistics in rifles is interesting. 

I found this:  Paco Kelly is known as the father/guru of hunting with the 357 lever guns. The best numbers meaning the most testing will be in the Rossi forum or on leverguns.com.  He shows about 600-700 fps difference between a 6 inch barrel and a 20 inch one with hot loads.  If you look at the Ballistics by the Inch Chart it shows that to be about 750-800 foot pounds in the 6 inch pistol and over 1,200 foot pounds in the rifle.  Basically doubles the hunting range from about 75 yards to 150 yards.

https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/ 357_magnum_and_the_literature.htm

Exactly Jess. The .357 magnum in a rifle is pretty amazing. Almost no recoil, a tad less than 3lb trigger pull and very accurate. The gun is small and light and easy to carry. I don’t have a sling on mine. It’s getting to be my favorite firearm.

[Savago]

@Chrisj: is that a ghost ring sight?

I have on my Marlins and really like them (quick target acquisition).

The .357 magnum is an interesting caliber. It gains a *lot* of power in a longer barrel (I guess that Elmer Keith knew what he was doing):
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html

Buffalo bore reports +2000fps for their 158gr ammo when shot from a Marlin 1894:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

When I bought my Marlins, I also considered a Henry All-weather (plan to buy one in the future, since now they have the side gate loader).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIivkvZrjBM

Prices are going up for Marlins ever since Remington's went bankrupt and Ruger acquired the assets. I saw the Marlin 1894 CSBL going for over $2100 bucks in the Calguns forum.

[Chrisj CMA]

@Chrisj: is that a ghost ring sight?

I have on my Marlins and really like them (quick target acquisition).

The .357 magnum is an interesting caliber. It gains a *lot* of power in a longer barrel (I guess that Elmer Keith knew what he was doing):
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html

Buffalo bore reports +2000fps for their 158gr ammo when shot from a Marlin 1894:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

When I bought my Marlins, I also considered a Henry All-weather (plan to buy one in the future, since now they have the side loader).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIivkvZrjBM

Prices are going up for Marlins ever since Remington's went bankrupt and Ruger acquired the assets. I saw the Marlin 1894 CSBL going for over $2100 bucks in the Calguns forum.

It’s smaller than a ghost ring. It’s. Skinner peep. But it’s much better than the BB gun style barrel mounted rear sight that came with the rifle

[Savago]

https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/357_magnum_and_the_literature.htm

@Jess: really cool article!
 

From the article: "Several years ago we tested original 1935 manufactured 357 magnum ammo for velocity. The word was being written that the original velocity from a handgun for the 357 could never have reached the advertised 1510 fps of the times... We fired five rounds from my S&W N-Frame mod. 27/8+ inch barrel. And if I remember correctly, the average was around 1530+ fps. We couldn’t test the pressure at the time because the friend that has the equipment wasn’t available. But Elmer Keith writes that the pressure was 45 to 47,000 psi and I believe him, since he was involved in the development.
Keith loaded ammo for Doug Wesson, President of S&W, to magnum velocities. At the time Winchester was developing the ammo... but it was later passed on to Remington. The folks at Winchester tested Keith loads and they were up in the high 40,000 psi range. Keith states they said he was crazy and tried to put him out of the picture. We have to remember that back then handgun pressures were kept at low levels only up to about 16,000 to 18,000 psi. The country was just 2 decades out of the black powder era."

Keith was a visionary.

[Jess from VA]

The .44 mag also gets a nice boost from bbl length.

The 44 Magnum bullet can reach velocities of up to 1,760 feet per second, 27.54% faster than when the same bullet is shot from a 6-inch revolver.  The same round generates a kinetic energy of up 1,651 foot-pounds of force at the rifle's muzzle.

The .44 Magnum has enough power and bullet energy at 50 yards in a carbine rifle to shoot clear through an elk, and with a bullet diameter of .430 inch the wound channel is quite large.  The 300 grain XTP bullet of Hornady’s delivers more than a half ton of energy at 50 yards and there is not many animals in North America that can stand up to that kind of force.

Nonetheless, rifle bullets do much better at any kind of longer distances, with much less drop (and the need to calculate for drop when in the field).

Still, there is great utility in having handguns (revolvers) and rifles (carbines) using the same ammunition.

However, recoil in the .44 Marlin is not terrible, but not mild.

 

[carolinarider09]

Back when I was in college (Clemson University, 64-67) I purchased my first, personal long gun.   I still have it.  It is a Ithaca M48 .22 Magnum single shot lever action.  

I don't remember by rational at the time (besides cost) but I had fired by Dad's .22 bolt as a youngster and sort of like the caliber and probably figured I would just go for the magnum.  

Don't remember where I kept it while at Clemson.  Don't think it was in the dorm rooms but most of them did have a place to place to rifles in the closet areas.  

Anyway it still works.  Don't fire it often but....

[Chrisj CMA]

The .44 mag also gets a nice boost from bbl length.

The 44 Magnum bullet can reach velocities of up to 1,760 feet per second, 27.54% faster than when the same bullet is shot from a 6-inch revolver.  The same round generates a kinetic energy of up 1,651 foot-pounds of force at the rifle's muzzle.

The .44 Magnum has enough power and bullet energy at 50 yards in a carbine rifle to shoot clear through an elk, and with a bullet diameter of .430 inch the wound channel is quite large.  The 300 grain XTP bullet of Hornady’s delivers more than a half ton of energy at 50 yards and there is not many animals in North America that can stand up to that kind of force.

Nonetheless, rifle bullets do much better at any kind of longer distances, with much less drop (and the need to calculate for drop when in the field).

Still, there is great utility in having handguns (revolvers) and rifles (carbines) using the same ammunition.

However, recoil in the .44 Marlin is not terrible, but not mild.

 

Nice Jess. One pre lock and one modern cross bolt lock. I’d like to have a 336C in 44 mag. But then I’d HAVE to buy a new revolver too.

[Chrisj CMA]

Back when I was in college (Clemson University, 64-67) I purchased my first, personal long gun.   I still have it.  It is a Ithaca M48 .22 Magnum single shot lever action.  

I don't remember by rational at the time (besides cost) but I had fired by Dad's .22 bolt as a youngster and sort of like the caliber and probably figured I would just go for the magnum.  

Don't remember where I kept it while at Clemson.  Don't think it was in the dorm rooms but most of them did have a place to place to rifles in the closet areas.  

Anyway it still works.  Don't fire it often but....

My wife (Queen Dinky) has a Varner Favorite. It’s a take down, drop block lever action single shot .22 LR

[Chrisj CMA]

Back when I was in college (Clemson University, 64-67) I purchased my first, personal long gun.   I still have it.  It is a Ithaca M48 .22 Magnum single shot lever action.  

I don't remember by rational at the time (besides cost) but I had fired by Dad's .22 bolt as a youngster and sort of like the caliber and probably figured I would just go for the magnum.  

Don't remember where I kept it while at Clemson.  Don't think it was in the dorm rooms but most of them did have a place to place to rifles in the closet areas.  

Anyway it still works.  Don't fire it often but....

I have a question. Your .22 rifle looks like it has a magazine tube under the barrel. If it’s single shot then it can’t be magazine fed so what is that under the barrel?

[Jess from VA]

Jeff, I'm pretty sure the 336 only comes in 30-30 Win. or .35 Rem.  The 1894 comes in .357 and .44.  And the 1895 in 45-70.

You already have the big .50 Smith revolver, so get this to match. (except it's $2500    ouch)


https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/

[Chrisj CMA]

Jeff, I'm pretty sure the 336 only comes in 30-30 Win. or .35 Rem.  The 1894 comes in .357 and .44.  And the 1895 in 45-70.

You already have the big .50 Smith revolver, so get this to match. (except it's $2500    ouch)


https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/

Yes!  I have wanted that Bighorn. Obviously not enough to layout that kind of dough

[carolinarider09]

I have a question. Your .22 rifle looks like it has a magazine tube under the barrel. If it’s single shot then it can’t be magazine fed so what is that under the barrel?

Its there for looks.  I think the idea was to make it look like a your more common level action rifles. 

The feed is a drop block (I think that is the term) that opens on top dropping down to allow you to load a round.  Same operation allows the round be ejected. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Jeff, I'm pretty sure the 336 only comes in 30-30 Win. or .35 Rem.  The 1894 comes in .357 and .44.  And the 1895 in 45-70.

You already have the big .50 Smith revolver, so get this to match. (except it's $2500    ouch)


https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/

Jess the newer rifles in .44 magnum are cross bolt safety 1894 models as you say. But, back in the sixties they started making the 336 micro groove pre lock in .44 magnum. I’ll probably never find one but that doesn’t mean I’d like one.  

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiRz8nHl9fxAhUTCc0KHZ-RAK8QwqsBegQIGBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHL4ipNxnfuo&usg=AOvVaw38MmPFGNO8zK82Trwd7w9E

[Chrisj CMA]

I have a question. Your .22 rifle looks like it has a magazine tube under the barrel. If it’s single shot then it can’t be magazine fed so what is that under the barrel?

Its there for looks.  I think the idea was to make it look like a your more common level action rifles. 

The feed is a drop block (I think that is the term) that opens on top dropping down to allow you to load a round.  Same operation allows the round be ejected. 

Cool just like Judy’s. Learn something every day

[Crackerborn]

We've sort of drifted off topic but for the record I am really fond of the Henry .357/.38 special lever gun. If you are shooting the .38's you can hear them going down range. Accurate to about 80 yards with the  standard buckthorn sights. I wouldn't use it for forest rats beyond that even with the .357 round. A fun gun to play with at the range.

[MarkT]

Back in the 70's I got my first dedicated woods rifle - the Ruger .44mag carbine.  Shared the same ammo as my Super Blackhawk. The rifle was discontinued decades ago; their 10/22 modeled on it - with wood stock they look identical.  Here my 10/22 with poly stock.  The .44 with Ruger 1.5X Weaver scope.  Took a whitetail in a swamp at about 80 yds, offhand, no support with it - bad angle, quartering away but it was closing day and there had been few sightings in the WI north woods / swamp (Nicolet Nat'l forest). Took the shot - the round missed a bit; the 240gr JHP entered the rear haunch, passed longitudinally through the deer gut and exited just forward of the opposite shoulder.  Completely destroyed the guts and shattered the femur.  She dropped where she stood.
Still have both rifles.  Don't get why they discontinued the .44 carbine.  Great 100yd woods rifle; especially with that low power Weaver.  The rifle is fairly accurate for what it is - like 4MOA.  Better than the shooter w/o a rest.