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« on: July 28, 2021, 05:18:13 PM »

I know it is safe to keep your head down, but it is not right

What can they do, file another bar complaint?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2omlShsViF4

Admin if you need to move this to piss and moan board I would be dissapointed

I did ride the motorcycle to work that day so..........
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2021, 05:32:14 PM »

I feel for you and your clients.  The government is not your friend.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2021, 05:36:48 PM »

is good to vent sometimes I understand.

COVID surely put a damper on everyone's way of life in some form or another.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2021, 06:05:22 PM »

Excellent.  cooldude

That was not a rant Evan, but a nice clear, calm, polite discussion.

I found the English subtitles amusing.  Since I find your English pretty clear.  But I suppose some watching might not speekadaenglish too well.

If I was to do do a critique, I might have pointed out some more of the hardship, loss and rights violations of property owning landlords (like foreclosures) (rent stops, do taxes stop too?).  And why do tenants automatically get free housing for unlimited time periods with no demonstration at all of inability to pay.  Why are tenants presumed to be penniless? 

Probably a good move not to name any particular Judges.

How about formal complaints to the NYS Commission on Judicial Conduct?   
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2021, 06:32:58 PM »

        And the political party in control in your state Evan only want MORE control money and eliminate your Freedoms. Did I miss anything? Sounds to me anywho as the inmates are in charge of the astlum. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2021, 06:35:14 PM »

Good on you!   cooldude  I just don't understand this, they are giving the thumbs up to long-term squatting.  So whats a landlord to do when they can't afford basic building upkeep and necessary maintenance?
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2021, 06:42:40 PM »

I enjoyed it.

Thought that you were clear, concise and to the point.

I feel for your clients, they are getting screwed royally.   
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2021, 07:01:38 PM »

Previously, I espoused my opinion of how I felt in reference to being a Land Lord.   While I still feel the same, Oss is correct in his statement.   Government should get the hell out of this.   

 cooldude to Oss.   The system should protect all parties and this does not appear to be happening.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2021, 06:48:18 AM »

Evan - I feel for your clients (many of whom are probably approaching financial problems because of this). And I thought you did a very well done discussion of the problem.

Where is the relief for your clients ? Your Taxes, Mortgage, etc. expenses they have to pay to be a landlord  ? I know, rhetorical question - none - they are just getting screwed royally.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2021, 06:50:04 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2021, 09:51:17 AM »

Landlords, especially small mom and pop ones, really are unsung heroes of society, especially in the large metro areas.... Been there, done that, won't ever do that again!

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2021, 10:51:12 AM »

Some twenty years ago I retained a property from which we moved turning it into rental property.

About ten years ago I rented the property to two ladies who were struggling financially.  At the end of the two year lease they were $2500 behind in rent.  I presented them with a letter that indicated the lease would not be renewed.  They begged me to let them stay and asked what would have to be done.  We agreed they would catch up on the rent; we would go to a month to month arrangement; and if they were ever again late on the rent the agreement would terminate.  They caught the rent up.  I held the rent stable at the bargain rate I had given them.  For six or more years the rent was paid on time and I did not raise the rent.

Covid mandates were announced.  Neither of the two suffered any employment problems.  The rent payments ceased as soon as the prohibition of eviction was announced.

The sale of the rental property was a part of my retirement plan.  Bad timing!  It took me almost a year and the procuring of legal representation to get them out.  They, at the time of their departure, were $8,000 behind in the rent payments.  When they left the place was trashed.  I hadn't the funds or motivation to rescue the structure so I ended up selling it to my daughter and son in law for a little more than half its expected value.  I did gain $35,000 over what I had paid for the property so it wasn't the end of the world.

There are good renters and bad renters in this country.  There certainly are good landlords and those who are less than good.  The laws do tend to lean heavily to protecting the renters including the bad ones.

I've told my daughter and son in law that owning rental property is feast or famine.  With good renters it's like someone else is paying to one's retirement fund.  Bad renters can cost you a lot in a very short period of time.  They are not following the path I followed.  They are acquiring multiple properties so the good and bad could average out.  

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2021, 02:12:07 PM »

I have a property that I have rebuilt, after renting it out. lost about 1000 in rent but they trashed the placed. Its been good to go for two and a half years but will not rent it with the mandates in place. Will probably just sell it when i retire . turn 65 in march so when i can get on plan b and dump my regular insur, I may just sell everything get a 16.00  30 hr a week part time job . maybe i can ride or go fishing again. havent done much of either this summer
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2021, 03:49:12 PM »


The first time I lived "out of town" was the first semester I
co-oped for the Navy in Charleston SC... I found an attic
apartment in a little house, the main part of the house was
rented out to a couple.

It was clean when I got there. It was clean when I left. The
next co-op session, that realtor set me and my buddy Kent
up in a little old house on Folly Beach  cooldude He mentioned
how unusual it was to not have to hire a cleaning crew
after renters left...

-Mike
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2021, 04:05:32 PM »

Good job Evan and I agree not a rant at all. Well stated, compassionate and well thought out.  cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2021, 05:31:46 PM »

Next video will be a conversation with a homeowner

I have people who bought a house in 2017 and still can not get into their home

People who have had a Warrant since 2019 and Court is blocking the execution of the Warrant

Over 200 sad stories or ruined lives

September 1st if this continues I am planning to go into federal court   I am struggling to get 40 people willing to be the class action.  Need 40 for a class.    I am alone in this  no  other atty wants to lose their license like Giuliani  but I believe I can win if I can get the message viral  Please share the video and my next videos

if one believes that Courts exist to do justice, to guarantee liberty, to enhance social order, to resolve disputes, to maintain rule of law, to provide for equal protection, and to ensure due process of law then one must see that there is no equal protection or due process of law in NY as applies to any owner or landlord  This is the definition of unconstutional conduct and it is the judiciary job to right the wrong and declare such acts unconstitutional and strike dead the act, decree or law
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2021, 05:35:43 PM »


The first time I lived "out of town" was the first semester I
co-oped for the Navy in Charleston SC... I found an attic
apartment in a little house, the main part of the house was
rented out to a couple.

It was clean when I got there. It was clean when I left. The
next co-op session, that realtor set me and my buddy Kent
up in a little old house on Folly Beach  cooldude He mentioned
how unusual it was to not have to hire a cleaning crew
after renters left...

-Mike

Mike, I was begged not to leave a number of my rentals in college (before and after married).

I (we) always kept up the home like it was ours, inside and out.  And I painted rooms and fixed things and never asked for rent breaks.  One even offered to lower the rent a little, but we had to move.

The one exception was the Albanians who rented me a roach infested duplex.  After they resisted my request for immediate fumigation, I pulled out my Ruger 10-22 and said starting at 9AM, I was gonna shoot every roach I saw, including the ones on the ceiling (they lived upstairs).  That and my case of ammunition convinced them that fumigation was the right thing to do.  But we were never friends after that, and moved after one semester.  

  
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2021, 05:35:51 PM »

I don't know the source but Newsmax is reporting that President Biden will be allowing the eviction moratorium to expire on Saturday.  

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2021, 05:48:54 PM »

Next video will be a conversation with a homeowner

I have people who bought a house in 2018 and still can not get into their home

People who have had a Warrant since 2019 and Court is blocking the execution of the Warrant

Over 200 sad stories or ruined lives

September 1st if this continues I am planning to go into federal court   I am struggling to get 40 people willing to be the class action.  Need 40 for a class.    I am alone in this  no  other atty wants to lose their license like Giuliani  but I believe I can win if I can get the message viral  Please share the video and my next videos

if one believes that Courts exist to do justice, to guarantee liberty, to enhance social order, to resolve disputes, to maintain rule of law, to provide for equal protection, and to ensure due process of law then one must see that there is no equal protection or due process of law in NY as applies to any owner or landlord  This is the definition of unconstutional conduct and it is the judiciary job to right the wrong and declare such acts unconstitutional and strike dead the act, decree or law

Do these programs not apply to help your landlords ?

https://otda.ny.gov/programs/emergency-rental-assistance/#overview

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/coronavirus/mortgage-and-housing-assistance/help-for-landlords/
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2021, 05:57:51 PM »

I don't know the source but Newsmax is reporting that President Biden will be allowing the eviction moratorium to expire on Saturday.  



Kinda, sorta.... he won't be voluntarily allowing this scam to expire, SCOTUS has forced his hand.

It'd take an act of congress to extend it, which is what they're hoping for.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-covid-eviction-moratorium-expiring-supreme-court-ruling
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2021, 06:02:37 PM »

I don't know the source but Newsmax is reporting that President Biden will be allowing the eviction moratorium to expire on Saturday.  



Kinda, sorta.... he won't be voluntarily allowing this scam to expire, SCOTUS has forced his hand.

It'd take an act of congress to extend it, which is what they're hoping for.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-covid-eviction-moratorium-expiring-supreme-court-ruling
Wasn’t it Trump who instituted this program ?
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2021, 06:36:38 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2021, 06:59:40 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2021, 04:07:55 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2021, 06:27:04 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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Maybe I’m missing something. God knows real estate law isn’t my forte. But if there is a government program that reimburses landlords for rent that out of work (due to the pandemic) renters can’t come up with, why would one need to evict them ?
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2021, 07:53:37 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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Maybe I’m missing something. God knows real estate law isn’t my forte. But if there is a government program that reimburses landlords for rent that out of work (due to the pandemic) renters can’t come up with, why would one need to evict them ?

Because they use that $$$ to buy cigarettes, beer and meth instead of paying their rent, maybe?
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2021, 08:02:42 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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Maybe I’m missing something. God knows real estate law isn’t my forte. But if there is a government program that reimburses landlords for rent that out of work (due to the pandemic) renters can’t come up with, why would one need to evict them ?

Because they use that $$$ to buy cigarettes, beer and meth instead of paying their rent, maybe?

The way I read the document, the money goes directly to the landlord.
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2021, 08:10:59 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
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Maybe I’m missing something. God knows real estate law isn’t my forte. But if there is a government program that reimburses landlords for rent that out of work (due to the pandemic) renters can’t come up with, why would one need to evict them ?

Because they use that $$$ to buy cigarettes, beer and meth instead of paying their rent, maybe?

The way I read the document, the money goes directly to the landlord.

...if that were REALLY the case, our friend OSS would have no issue, right?

....pretty sure we all know that's NOT how things REALLY work..... right? RIGHT???

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2021, 08:31:43 PM »

no clients have received any $

If you apply you cant even start another Holdover (means move) for 1 yr

and they only pay max of 1 yr which is crap if you are owed 2 yrs already

it is a cruel joke
It looked to me like it said 18 months ? If they were receiving the rental assistance why would they need to do another eviction ?
Dang Liberals uglystupid2
Maybe I’m missing something. God knows real estate law isn’t my forte. But if there is a government program that reimburses landlords for rent that out of work (due to the pandemic) renters can’t come up with, why would one need to evict them ?

Because they use that $$$ to buy cigarettes, beer and meth instead of paying their rent, maybe?

The way I read the document, the money goes directly to the landlord.

...if that were REALLY the case, our friend OSS would have no issue, right?

....pretty sure we all know that's NOT how things REALLY work..... right? RIGHT???


That’s why I asked the question. As I understand the act (that Trump instilled) renters or landlords could apply. Then if it was deemed they qualified, the money went directly to the landlords.
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2021, 05:03:20 AM »

This is why

Not all cases are non payment

There is something called the RPAPL 713

If your house was sold, either by yourself or the bank after a many-year long foreclosure ( during which tens of thousands of dollars mortgage were never paid) YOU HAVE TO MOVE   just like when the movie is over you HAVE TO MOVE  I just finished a trial in NYS Supreme Court where new owner has paid the mortgage since 2017 and still not in possession with their family

If you were living somewhere as an incident to employment and the building fired you and has a new super  YOU HAVE TO MOVE

If you moved into an apt as the guest or are a roommate or  subtenant of tenant of record and they moved  YOU HAVE TO MOVE   Likewise if the tenant of record dies in a bldg of less than 6 units or if you just broke into the apt

If the owner of the property had not renewed your lease YOU HAVE TO MOVE

If you have a lease but have been dealing drugs or assaulting the owners family or flooding their apt intentionally by running the tub over or other nuisance acts YOU HAVE TO MOVE

An owner does not need a reason to ask for an apt back when there is no lease because they OWN the property and have the RIGHT to do what they want or even just stop renting

If, as happens in the criminal enterprise of NYC government, Section 8 comes to an owner and says we want to pay you to rent the basement (illegal basement) they pass the apt and put the people who were previously in a shelter into that space and the new tenant complains  then owner gets a violation and a 25thousand dollar fine and must then evict which will take 2 yrs plus and they get no money
In my world the people from NYC who entrapped the owner should have to pay and lose their pension and all benefits but NYC rewards them instead  

So to be absolutely clear, most of my cases were not started because of $ but by the time the single mother or widow who owns the property gets a judgment or eviction she has lost 30-40 THOUSand $

GET IT NOW?
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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2021, 09:39:21 AM »


GET IT NOW?

Never will.
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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2021, 10:25:44 AM »

This is why

Not all cases are non payment

There is something called the RPAPL 713

If your house was sold, either by yourself or the bank after a many-year long foreclosure ( during which tens of thousands of dollars mortgage were never paid) YOU HAVE TO MOVE   just like when the movie is over you HAVE TO MOVE  I just finished a trial in NYS Supreme Court where new owner has paid the mortgage since 2017 and still not in possession with their family

If you were living somewhere as an incident to employment and the building fired you and has a new super  YOU HAVE TO MOVE

If you moved into an apt as the guest or are a roommate or  subtenant of tenant of record and they moved  YOU HAVE TO MOVE   Likewise if the tenant of record dies in a bldg of less than 6 units or if you just broke into the apt

If the owner of the property had not renewed your lease YOU HAVE TO MOVE

If you have a lease but have been dealing drugs or assaulting the owners family or flooding their apt intentionally by running the tub over or other nuisance acts YOU HAVE TO MOVE

An owner does not need a reason to ask for an apt back when there is no lease because they OWN the property and have the RIGHT to do what they want or even just stop renting

If, as happens in the criminal enterprise of NYC government, Section 8 comes to an owner and says we want to pay you to rent the basement (illegal basement) they pass the apt and put the people who were previously in a shelter into that space and the new tenant complains  then owner gets a violation and a 25thousand dollar fine and must then evict which will take 2 yrs plus and they get no money
In my world the people from NYC who entrapped the owner should have to pay and lose their pension and all benefits but NYC rewards them instead  

So to be absolutely clear, most of my cases were not started because of $ but by the time the single mother or widow who owns the property gets a judgment or eviction she has lost 30-40 THOUSand $

GET IT NOW?
I think so. It sounds like all of your cases were not because of the pandemic at all ?
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2021, 10:32:45 AM »

thats right  maybe 4 non payment out of more than 200 total cases

my client is mom and pop

But tenant does have to cooperate for the $ to roll in   Again nobody has seen any $

Now under Trump I did have welfare pony up 34000 (not a typo) to a client who was willing to convert the holdover to a non payment then discontinue when paid.  But guess what   not a penny since and the tenant works full time for the city of ny

I had invented what I call the conditional lease holdover to nonpayment about 10 yrs ago in Housing court in the Bronx.  When the tenant was a woman with kids I got lots of clients lots of money and the family could stay in the apt   Average pay to client was 10000 which is the difference between losing the house and not losing the house   If welfare or sec 8 paid the lease took effect if not the warrant executed

Yeah, and I have a bridge that goes to Brooklyn to sell cheap if you believe the average deadbeat would help his or her landlord with anything  How dare LL harass tenant by asking for the rent
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« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2021, 11:09:35 AM »

If the rent moratoriums (PC word for theft)(fed and states) were not due to the virus, then why were they passed into law?

A new screw all landlords policy?
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2021, 11:59:02 AM »

I am collecting clients for a class action with another lawyer   wish us luck
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2021, 01:25:34 PM »

Wishing you luck. 

However, from what I have seen in your videos and your posts, you have the skill and determination to win.  That is far more important and beneficial.

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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2021, 05:35:58 PM »

In Michigan the moratorium on evictions must of ended because the sheriffs showed up at a house across the street from my sons on Saturday and threw all their stuff on the front lawn. I feel really sorry for Landlords.
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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2021, 03:58:33 AM »

Heard on the news this morning the CDC is re-instituting an eviction halt in some areas.   Didn't catch which areas.   I really think this is beyond the authority of the CDC and hope someone challenges this to SCOTUS.   Being brutally honest about this, Land Lords have a right to be paid and it shouldn't be done with other people's money.   The Democrat leadership have really screwed the pooch on this one, us being the pooch.

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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2021, 01:29:21 PM »

Heard on the news this morning the CDC is re-instituting an eviction halt in some areas.   Didn't catch which areas.   I really think this is beyond the authority of the CDC and hope someone challenges this to SCOTUS.   Being brutally honest about this, Land Lords have a right to be paid and it shouldn't be done with other people's money.   The Democrat leadership have really screwed the pooch on this one, us being the pooch.

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https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-order.html?fbclid=IwAR0cI7JEp9YFHo2wTmpEtmg6Y4XVI_LzY8h3o_ow3ykqB0d_OjVGjZw445w

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky today signed an order determining the evictions of tenants for failure to make rent or housing payments could be detrimental to public health control measures to slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2021, 04:10:45 PM »

       I'm currently a renter. L L and I git along fine. Long as I pay my rent every month we are still good. He has some horror stories about non payment. I used to do evictions with the moving company I worked for. Time the movers showed up All Legal Actions had run their course. I did Not enjoy evictions but It was part of the job. Some municipalities only gave the evicted til the next day to git their furniture and other "stuff" off City/Township property before the City/Township took it to the dump. But to be fair my Boss did rotate us so we weren't doing evictions all the time. I know-off topic slightly. BUT L Ls Should be paid. They have a pricy investment to take care of. Just a guess here but those in charge Should Know about cash flow. Thinkin since gubmint stepped in Most if not All L Ls may never recieve back rent. RIDE SAFE.
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