Got two shots yesterday...OOWWWW!

[John Schmidt]

Since I had Chickenpox as a kid I've been meaning to get the latest Shingles vaccination, got the original version 10-12 yrs. ago but this one is supposed to be much better. While I was at it, I got the flu shot as well...suggested by the pharmacist when picking up some scripts. Re. the prescriptions, I now understand what my dad meant in years past when he'd comment: "I feel like a walking pharmacy." I take a number of things daily, about half are various vitamins but the rest is mostly due to age related stuff.

I digress...after filling out the paperwork, the little cutie came to me with her phone in hand and asked my birthdate. When I told her she started to tap on her phone so I told her..."I'll save you the trouble, that's 83!" After a sheepish smile, she grabbed a couple needles and asked "which arm?" I was told the shingles vac would cause injection site swelling & soreness along with redness and tenderness for a few days, plus I'll feel tired for a couple days. I told her I'm in my mid-80's, I always feel tired by 2:30pm.  . Since I'm right handed I said use the left shoulder for that and the right shoulder for the flu shot. For the first time, that flu shot left me rather sore. As for the shingles vac, all I can say is "damn!" Within an hour my entire left shoulder was throbbing. Strangely enough, I've not experienced swelling or redness in the injection site...just sore like someone hit me with some brass knuckles in that area. I had just come from the gym so wonder if the lactated muscles(Saturday was upper body day) might have added to the discomfort. Once back in the hovel, I took a hot shower...still no sign of swelling or redness. While still warm from the shower, I rubbed on some Diclofenac gel. Within an hour, the soreness from the flu shot disappeared and the shingles shot greatly lessened. This morning, both sides are almost normal, I'll get the second shingles shot in two months. Judging by past experience, my immune system apparently is quite strong. I hope it stays with me until my Judgement Day! 

[carolinarider09]

I have been putting off getting the shingles shot.  Got a flu shout last year for the first time in a few years (use to get it very year where I worked since they brought in a group to do the shoots). 

My wife had a very simple shingles event last year, nothing major. 

So, with the COVID and stuff I am sort of resigned to getting the shingles shot sometime this winter.  Will consult with my doctor again.  Still have the script she wrote for it last time. 

[old2soon]

       Well John had the first of two of them shingles shot and the Moderna hurt a bit more than the shingles shot did. Glad the shower and what ever it was you rubbed on/in helped. RIDE SAFE.

[f6gal]

John, if I read this right, you should have done just the opposite.  The more painful one should go in the dominant arm.  The more you move your arm around, the quicker the medication will move out of the muscle.

[Jess from VA]

One time in the USAF, I asked for my tetanus to be in my butt.  (actually, it's like between high butt and low back)

I had past experience with them in my arm. (and my butt is bigger than my arm with more fat)

The reply was..... what are you like 9 years old?       (more like 36)

They apparently don't give them there because of risk of hitting an important nerve.

The arm job hurt for days just like before.  I think tetanus shots have battery acid in them.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Had the Shingles a couple months after the chickenpox as a kid 9 or 10 years old. I ask a doctor years ago about the shingles jab he told me I had around a 4% chance of catching it again. I don't like neddles especially these days.

[John Schmidt]

John, if I read this right, you should have done just the opposite.  The more painful one should go in the dominant arm.  The more you move your arm around, the quicker the medication will move out of the muscle.

You read it right, however I forced myself to exercise both arms. Wasn't very comfy last evening when I did it but it apparently has paid off cuz today the only pain I have is the messed up shoulder that's always with me. Both are messed up...left more so than the right. Moving the left arm around sounds/feels like I'm grinding walnuts in there.

Jess, I can remember the early flu shots the USAF gave us in the 50's & 60's, they were done with the air gun. That sucker hurt more from the injection method that the actual med which I believe had a live virus in the early versions. Best I can remember, the last time I had the flu was in high school, caught it from my lover du jour...or her girl friend(another story told better in person than on a public forum).   Mom had a real dry sense of humor regarding it, saying "well Johnny, I hope she was worth it." I never told her about the young ladies involved, guess she knew me better that I thought.  

[Jess from VA]

My only gun shot was also in the Air Force, and the dude jerked it and I got a quarter inch cut, and blood.

Nice job there buddy, no tip for you. 

[Serk]

Ya' know the smallpox shots that most folks of my tender young age don't have?

...I've got 9 of 'em... Cluster of 3 "real" ones and 6 more glancing blows all around it.

Got 'em as a toddler since we were deploying overseas and evidently I was extra wiggly that day. The tattoo artist when I got my first tat was fascinated by the scars, and respected my wish to tattoo around them, not over them.

[carolinarider09]

You know I forgot all about the "gun" shots.  I got a couple while at Great Lakes in '68.  If I remember they were "combined" shots.  That is not just one vaccine or whatever but more than one in the "shot".

[John Schmidt]

You know I forgot all about the "gun" shots.  I got a couple while at Great Lakes in '68.  If I remember they were "combined" shots.  That is not just one vaccine or whatever but more than one in the "shot".

You're correct if they were "catching you up" on your shot record. With those guns most everybody walked out with blood running down their arm and it usually left a bulge under the skin. Hated those things, my next door neighbor was a medic and we were talking about it one evening. He told me next time come see him, said he'd use a needle and if you feel it he'll do it again until he got it right. Got a good laugh over that but when I did go to him, he was so smooth...never felt it.

[Patrick]

I've thought about the shingles vax and didn't realize it took 2 tries. Too many folks seem to be getting those nasty looking things.

I'm not big into vax for much of anything, but, I kinda wish they had an HPV vax for adults. Now they have them for kids. If they had had them earlier ,and, if I knew enough to get one,  I probably would not have had to go thru what I did with the throat cancer.

[Rams]

John, if I read this right, you should have done just the opposite.  The more painful one should go in the dominant arm.  The more you move your arm around, the quicker the medication will move out of the muscle.

Agreed.   Getting vaccinations in the dominate arm helps the vaccine work into the surrounding muscle mass, resulting in less swelling and pain.  

Reference the Shingles vaccination.   Was intentionally exposed to the measles as a child.   Mom didn't know any better and when one kid got it, we all got it.    Regardless, in a five year span my Shingles reared it's ugly head three times.   One of the most painful experiences I can remember.   Spread rapidly and got close to my eyes, nose and mouth.   Covered my back, neck and shoulders and any clothing touching that section would result in painful burning there.   Since getting the Shingle vaccination, no resurgence of that experience.   I highly recommend that vaccination for anyone that's had chicken pox.   Although, you may have a different experience.   We're all slightly different ya know.  

Rams

[Jess from VA]

My one shingles episode was only medium bad compared to many.  But bad enough.  Back, side and chest, but not head/face.  

The best way to describe the feeling (not the look):   it's like your body is wired for 110, with the wires just under the skin, and the insulation starts dissolving and you develop chronic shorts, which keep shocking and burning you.  And every once in a while it surges to 220.

It was about 16 years ago, and none since.

I got my (one) kidney stone within a year or so of the shingles, and it seemed like I had some kind of Gypsy curse going on.  

[Rams]

My one shingles episode was only medium bad compared to many.  But bad enough.  Back, side and chest, but not head/face.  

The best way to describe the feeling (not the look):   it's like your body is wired for 110, with the wires just under the skin, and the insulation starts dissolving and you develop chronic shorts, which keep shocking and burning you.  And every once in a while it surges to 220.

It was about 16 years ago, and none since.

I got my (one) kidney stone within a year or so of the shingles, and it seemed like I had some kind of Gypsy curse going on.  

Any of your past "Ladies" into Voo Doo? 

Rams

[Jess from VA]

My one shingles episode was only medium bad compared to many.  But bad enough.  Back, side and chest, but not head/face.  

The best way to describe the feeling (not the look):   it's like your body is wired for 110, with the wires just under the skin, and the insulation starts dissolving and you develop chronic shorts, which keep shocking and burning you.  And every once in a while it surges to 220.

It was about 16 years ago, and none since.

I got my (one) kidney stone within a year or so of the shingles, and it seemed like I had some kind of Gypsy curse going on.  

Any of your past "Ladies" into Voo Doo?

Rams

No sir, although there came a time when it seemed my wife had become a witch.  

It was probably just the menopause, but how can you tell the difference?    

[Patrick]

My one shingles episode was only medium bad compared to many.  But bad enough.  Back, side and chest, but not head/face.  

The best way to describe the feeling (not the look):   it's like your body is wired for 110, with the wires just under the skin, and the insulation starts dissolving and you develop chronic shorts, which keep shocking and burning you.  And every once in a while it surges to 220.

It was about 16 years ago, and none since.

I got my (one) kidney stone within a year or so of the shingles, and it seemed like I had some kind of Gypsy curse going on.  

Any of your past "Ladies" into Voo Doo?

Rams

No sir, although there came a time when it seemed my wife had become a witch.  

It was probably just the menopause, but how can you tell the difference?    

 

[Robert]

FYI you do not want the jab in dominant arm in fact you do not want to move that arm to much at all. Its supposed to stay at the injection sight the vaccine problems occur when it goes into the circulation system. This problem is known and the jab was designed to stay at the injection sight. The makers swore it does not disperse in the body but it does and rapidly.


Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells and How mRNA Works
This is what happens to cells with an mRNA vaccine.

Blood Clot Formation With mRNA Vaccines ‘Inevitable’
Hoffe created the video above to explain how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines can affect your body at the cellular level.3 In each dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine are 40 trillion mRNA — or messenger RNA — molecules.

Each mRNA “package” is designed to be absorbed into your cell, but only 25% stay in your arm at the site of the injection. The other 75%, Hoffe says, are collected by your lymphatic system and fed into your circulation. The cells where mRNA is absorbed are those around your blood vessels — the capillary network, which are the tiniest blood vessels in your body.

https://thewatchtowers.org/visual-display-of-how-mrna-vaccine-affects-cells-and-how-mrna-works/

[Rams]

This is a test.

It gets dark at night.

The sun comes up every morning.

On a cloudless day, the sky is blue.

Don't spit into the wind.

Hopefully, everyone will/can agree..............  

First, this thread was not even about the COVID Vaccines,
Secondly, some folks apparently need to learn more about absorption and how the body absorbs vaccines, poisons (as in snake bites) and such.  IF, we had been talking about a snake bite, then I would agree that muscle movement would be the wrong thing to do.   I'll admit I'm not qualified to go much further in discussing this, I'll have to ask my veterinarian's assistant about it.    Forrest Gump's Mama was correct.

Rams

[John Schmidt]

Well folks, after all the discussion it's a moot point as to which arm should be used. After some arm exercise the evening of the shots along with a hot shower and a tylenol, the next morning the flu shot site was normal. By mid-afternoon the vaccination site was also normal. Less than 24 hrs. but was braced for more since that was the warning given. Others may not be so fortunate but as I told my daughter...I'm special!   

[f6gal]

FYI you do not want the jab in dominant arm in fact you do not want to move that arm to much at all. Its supposed to stay at the injection sight the vaccine problems occur when it goes into the circulation system. This problem is known and the jab was designed to stay at the injection sight. The makers swore it does not disperse in the body but it does and rapidly.


Visual Display of How mRNA Vaccine Affects Cells and How mRNA Works
This is what happens to cells with an mRNA vaccine.

Blood Clot Formation With mRNA Vaccines ‘Inevitable’
Hoffe created the video above to explain how mRNA COVID-19 vaccines can affect your body at the cellular level.3 In each dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine are 40 trillion mRNA — or messenger RNA — molecules.

Each mRNA “package” is designed to be absorbed into your cell, but only 25% stay in your arm at the site of the injection. The other 75%, Hoffe says, are collected by your lymphatic system and fed into your circulation. The cells where mRNA is absorbed are those around your blood vessels — the capillary network, which are the tiniest blood vessels in your body.

https://thewatchtowers.org/visual-display-of-how-mrna-vaccine-affects-cells-and-how-mrna-works/

C'mon Robert, why is this here?  This post had absolutely nothing to do with COVID vaccines.  In addition to that, there are so many things wrong with your post, it's almost impossible to choose which to address. So, I'm responding only to a few of the most blatant.
    If you know anything anatomy and medication absorption, IM injections do not stay in the muscle; by design, they're absorbed into the bloodstream.  
    Due to high vascularity of muscle tissue, IM meds have a moderately rapid onset, usually within 5-10 minutes (they don't just sit in the muscle).
    mRNA is not a gene; genes are made up of DNA and are the basic units of heredity.
    Isn't your source the same person that said we will all be dead of heart failure within a year?
    Again, if what you're proposing were true, literally every vaccinated person would have blood clots.

[Rams]

   Isn't your source the same person that said we will all be dead of heart failure within a year?
    Again, if what you're proposing were true, literally every vaccinated person would have blood clots.

f6gal,
Here I was all happy and living like there was no tomorrow and here you go bringing that up and reminding me that I'm past my expiration date...........   

So much to do and so little time to do it.................   

Rams 

[Patrick]

Heck, I passed [ or is it past ] my expiration date years ago. 

[Patrick]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

[Valkorado]

I have posted this before just like the question of why did you not see what I see among the reactions to the Jab, I guess time and volume of posts makes it impossible to read all, but please dont respond like you do read them then.

Who cares how many times it was posted?  I read it then, and I just read it again now.  Posting deceptive bullcrap over and over again does not make it true.  Please stop doing this.

[Wizzard]

I got the new shingles 2 shot procedure and no side effects at all. Easy

[f6gal]

I have posted this before just like the question of why did you not see what I see among the reactions to the Jab, I guess time and volume of posts makes it impossible to read all, but please dont respond like you do read them then.

I am not sure if this is directed to me.  If so, I'm not sure what you mean by your accusation.  I have no idea why you are personally supposedly seeing all these vaccine adverse events, especially since I don't believe you work in healthcare... do people come to you for medical treatment? 

I've said before I haven't see any vaccine adverse events.  Why?  Because I haven't. I have seen couple of allergic reactions that were handled on site.

[f6gal]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

My hypothesis on this would be that the percentage of nurses reading “stuff” on Facebook is much greater than for doctors. (But this is coming from a retired butcher who has never been on Facebook)

[f6gal]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

My hypothesis on this would be that the percentage of nurses reading “stuff” on Facebook is much greater than for doctors. (But this is coming from a retired butcher who has never been on Facebook)

I also think part of it is simply that there are thousands more nurses than doctors.  By sheer numbers it seems that many nurses are refusing; however, percentage-wise, is not as significant.  You only hear about those refusing.

[Robert]

I have posted this before just like the question of why did you not see what I see among the reactions to the Jab, I guess time and volume of posts makes it impossible to read all, but please dont respond like you do read them then.

I am not sure if this is directed to me.  If so, I'm not sure what you mean by your accusation.  I have no idea why you are personally supposedly seeing all these vaccine adverse events, especially since I don't believe you work in healthcare... do people come to you for medical treatment? 

I've said before I haven't see any vaccine adverse events.  Why?  Because I haven't. I have seen couple of allergic reactions that were handled on site.

Wow looks like you may have edited your post?   

I talk to and see many during the day and in my business and personal life so its current events and the fact that some are Doctors or health care makes it a hot topic. No one lives life in a vacuum these days, except maybe some health care workers who don't see the truth that is beyond their own scope of work. I understand the intensity that this time puts people under and when workers are in the trenches then it can seem pretty bleak.

But as of today I know of 4 more individuals that had Covid and were Ok, of those 3 had the vaccine. I know of 2 others not in the 4 that died, supposedly of Covid, if you can believe the diagnosis.

The majority of those that got covid without the jab were just fine in the cases that I have seen.

I actually do know of doctors that are not going to take the jab

[Valkorado]

But as of today I know of 4 more individuals that had Covid and were Ok, of those 3 had the vaccine. I know of 2 others not in the 4 that died, supposedly of Covid, if you can believe the diagnosis.

The majority of those that got covid without the jab were just fine in the cases that I have seen.

I actually do know of doctors that are not going to take the jab

Nothing new here.  The majority of those that get COVID are just fine, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.  Of those that aren't fine, even "mild" COVID can cause some serious and long term complications.  And of those that get COVID requiring hospitilization and ICU treatment, the vast majority are still unvaccinated.  If you can believe the facts.   

[f6gal]

I have posted this before just like the question of why did you not see what I see among the reactions to the Jab, I guess time and volume of posts makes it impossible to read all, but please dont respond like you do read them then.

I am not sure if this is directed to me.  If so, I'm not sure what you mean by your accusation.  I have no idea why you are personally supposedly seeing all these vaccine adverse events, especially since I don't believe you work in healthcare... do people come to you for medical treatment? 

I've said before I haven't see any vaccine adverse events.  Why?  Because I haven't. I have seen couple of allergic reactions that were handled on site.

Wow looks like you may have edited your post?   

I talk to and see many during the day and in my business and personal life so its current events and the fact that some are Doctors or health care makes it a hot topic. No one lives life in a vacuum these days, except maybe some health care workers who don't see the truth that is beyond their own scope of work. I understand the intensity that this time puts people under and when workers are in the trenches then it can seem pretty bleak.

But as of today I know of 4 more individuals that had Covid and were Ok, of those 3 had the vaccine. I know of 2 others not in the 4 that died, supposedly of Covid, if you can believe the diagnosis.

The majority of those that got covid without the jab were just fine in the cases that I have seen.

I actually do know of doctors that are not going to take the jab

I edited a typo, I did not edit content.  My complaint has been you editing posts after I had responded, making my response look inappropriate, incomplete, and/or incorrect. 

[Patrick]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

The theory of mRNA has been around for a long time and the vax may have been produced for a long time. But, what, where and when has it been used before ? I can't find where it has.




https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins

[f6gal]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

The theory of mRNA has been around for a long time and the vax may have been produced for a long time. But, what, where and when has it been used before ? I can't find where it has.


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins

Genetic diseases (such as hereditary ATTR amyloidosiscystic fibrosis, cystic fibrosis, etc), regenerative medicine, protein replacement therapies (for treating disease that harm muscle, such as heart attack), cancer immunotherapies, HIV, diabetes insipidus, infectious diseases, hypersensitivities.  While some are approved, most treatments lacked sufficient funding. With the inception of Trump's Operation Warp Speed, funding was provided to bring mRNA technology to fruition.  As a result, many previously stalled mRNA therapies received the boost they needed.    

https://the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/

[Patrick]

Its my understanding that this is the first time for the use of this new fangled mRNA stuff. So no one really knows much about it,,, yet.

We're guinea pigs.

There is a new mandate in this state for health care workers, nurses to get jabbed or be tested weekly.  Its surprising how many nurses refuse the vax. There is a huge lawsuit that has started as well as quite a retirement notices being held until the end of the month.

mRNA technology has been around for decades.  I agree it's surprising that many nurses are refusing; however, many more have taken it.  Every doctor I know personally has taken it.

The theory of mRNA has been around for a long time and the vax may have been produced for a long time. But, what, where and when has it been used before ? I can't find where it has.


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins

Genetic diseases (such as hereditary ATTR amyloidosiscystic fibrosis, cystic fibrosis, etc), regenerative medicine, protein replacement therapies (for treating disease that harm muscle, such as heart attack), cancer immunotherapies, HIV, diabetes insipidus, infectious diseases, hypersensitivities.  While some are approved, most treatments lacked sufficient funding. With the inception of Trump's Operation Warp Speed, funding was provided to bring mRNA technology to fruition.  As a result, many previously stalled mRNA therapies received the boost they needed.    

https://the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/

Yep, thats all I find too. I think Trump did a good thing by pushing this. But, its still been too soon to know much about any long term effects.

[Rams]

Yep, that's all I find too. I think Trump did a good thing by pushing this. But, its still been too soon to know much about any long term effects.

Honestly, it's too soon to know the lingering/long tern effects of being vaccinated or unvaccinated for COVID, any variation.    Although, my Vet Ass't has advised me of some known lingering effects of getting COVID.   I'd rather not go there.  But, for those of us past retirement age, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter.     Can't speak for all you young'ns.  

Rams

[John Schmidt]

"its still been too soon to know much about any long term effects"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm suffering from long term effects...of old age. Happy hour for me is remembering why you walked into a room, that could really be problematic if it happened when you walked into the bathroom. Happy hour is walking into the gym, looking around and seeing others 10-15 yrs. younger, and knowing most can't hang with me in weight used or reps completed. Happy hour is waking up after a good 8+ hrs. of sleep with maybe 1-2 interruptions. For my entire life, those interruptions have never included trips to the bathroom...and still don't. I used to get up at the crack of dawn, now I get up at the crack of 9:00am if so moved. Each morning when I awaken and before I get out of bed, I simply thank Him for the gift of a new day, apparent good health, and ask for guidance & direction in all things. Then when I roll out of bed, I'm surprised to hear what sounds like a creaky screen door...only to realize it's me! Lets me know everything is still working...sorta like an car with lots of miles on the odo.

Yes, there are days in which I don't feel like doing much of anything so if everything appears OK, I simply give into it. Some days certain joints really bark at me, arthur has made itself known in some areas. My biggest problem is lack of companionship. It was once said in a movie in response to the question of being alone; "I don't mind living alone, I do mind being alone." It's all the time, day after day. I had a bunch of friends in Florida, after 53 yrs. in one area it was difficult to leave. Now, after over 2 yrs. in the Green Bay area, I still have none. At the gym, I'm a number. At church, pretty much the same...I'm greeted by name, then that's it. One of the best meals I'd had in quite some time was a few months back in Olive Garden. I had just been seated and my drink delivered when I noticed an older & pleasant looking lady just seated one booth up across the aisle from me. I decided to approach her and asked if she'd like to join me and chat rather that sit alone...adding I get tired of eating alone all the time. To my surprise she lit up like a Christmas tree, moved to my table and we had a great time. Sat for over an hour just talking, comparing life's stories...found out we had followed many of the same paths...including the military, an ex-Navy nurse of 28 yrs. I believe she said. She doesn't live here, just visiting following a wedding in the area, lives in So. California. I wished her luck, she chuckled and said "with Newsom we're going to need it." Good to see not everybody is "woke"...a term that means "foolishly overly sensitive to everything...but without answers to anything."

[Patrick]

"its still been too soon to know much about any long term effects"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm suffering from long term effects...of old age. Happy hour for me is remembering why you walked into a room, that could really be problematic if it happened when you walked into the bathroom. Happy hour is walking into the gym, looking around and seeing others 10-15 yrs. younger, and knowing most can't hang with me in weight used or reps completed. Happy hour is waking up after a good 8+ hrs. of sleep with maybe 1-2 interruptions. For my entire life, those interruptions have never included trips to the bathroom...and still don't. I used to get up at the crack of dawn, now I get up at the crack of 9:00am if so moved. Each morning when I awaken and before I get out of bed, I simply thank Him for the gift of a new day, apparent good health, and ask for guidance & direction in all things. Then when I roll out of bed, I'm surprised to hear what sounds like a creaky screen door...only to realize it's me! Lets me know everything is still working...sorta like an car with lots of miles on the odo.

Yes, there are days in which I don't feel like doing much of anything so if everything appears OK, I simply give into it. Some days certain joints really bark at me, arthur has made itself known in some areas. My biggest problem is lack of companionship. It was once said in a movie in response to the question of being alone; "I don't mind living alone, I do mind being alone." It's all the time, day after day. I had a bunch of friends in Florida, after 53 yrs. in one area it was difficult to leave. Now, after over 2 yrs. in the Green Bay area, I still have none. At the gym, I'm a number. At church, pretty much the same...I'm greeted by name, then that's it. One of the best meals I'd had in quite some time was a few months back in Olive Garden. I had just been seated and my drink delivered when I noticed an older & pleasant looking lady just seated one booth up across the aisle from me. I decided to approach her and asked if she'd like to join me and chat rather that sit alone...adding I get tired of eating alone all the time. To my surprise she lit up like a Christmas tree, moved to my table and we had a great time. Sat for over an hour just talking, comparing life's stories...found out we had followed many of the same paths...including the military, an ex-Navy nurse of 28 yrs. I believe she said. She doesn't live here, just visiting following a wedding in the area, lives in So. California. I wished her luck, she chuckled and said "with Newsom we're going to need it." Good to see not everybody is "woke"...a term that means "foolishly overly sensitive to everything...but without answers to anything."

Nice story.

[Patrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfLdrxltAhc