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Savago
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« on: September 23, 2021, 04:28:37 PM »

The $82K would be used partially to pay for his new dentures, fix his truck and be administered by his daughter, since he moved to a smaller apartment.

Main issue is that she had to transport the cash flying through the USA, something that apparently, no citizen can do without being robbed (sorry, I mean, 'civil forfeited') in an airport by Government agencies.

The link tells the story:
https://ij.org/case/dea-tsa-forfeitures/

I'm seriously considering donating to the IJ (Institute of Justice) to fight the good fight.
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Bret SD
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2021, 04:41:39 PM »

The $82K would be used partially to pay for his new dentures, fix his truck and be administered by his daughter, since he moved to a smaller apartment.

Main issue is that she had to transport the cash flying through the USA, something that apparently, no citizen can do without being robbed (sorry, I mean, 'civil forfeited') in an airport by Government agencies.

The link tells the story:
https://ij.org/case/dea-tsa-forfeitures/

I'm seriously considering donating to the IJ (Institute of Justice) to fight the good fight.

Our rogue govt is also working on extracting the life savings of citizens through inflation first, and I suspect it won't stop there.

Never in my life have I seen a government so out of control and completely lawless.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2021, 04:48:58 PM »

The $82K would be used partially to pay for his new dentures, fix his truck and be administered by his daughter, since he moved to a smaller apartment.

Main issue is that she had to transport the cash flying through the USA, something that apparently, no citizen can do without being robbed (sorry, I mean, 'civil forfeited') in an airport by Government agencies.

The link tells the story:
https://ij.org/case/dea-tsa-forfeitures/

I'm seriously considering donating to the IJ (Institute of Justice) to fight the good fight.


Just remember what a lot of people say:  You have nothing to fear if you aren't doing anything illegal.

I heard from a few places that the gov't wants to monitor any transfers of money of $600 or more.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2021, 05:25:44 PM »

Civil forfeiture is out of control.

It lacks fundamental due process protection for citizens.

If it fits a category they take your money, and not even charge you with a crime.  And you are left to use all the rest of your money (if you have any) to fight to get it back, uphill the entire way.

Another bad thing is rules allowing the forfeiting agency to keep it for themselves. 

Not everyone carrying a pile of cash is a criminal, though many are.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse, but carrying a pile of your own money for lawful purposes may be ignorance.  I keep some cash on hand, but I don't carry it (all) around with me. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2021, 06:28:20 PM »

Lesson is wire  money to where you are going
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2021, 06:29:43 PM »

       My last 2 Large money expenditures I paid them with money orders from my local bank. NOT that it"s ANY of the gubmints business a mecahnical repair on the cage and new dentures. More than $600.00 is questionable? Most major appliances these days and some furniture list well past that limit-new-and if I pay cash that IS MY Business. We iz from da gubmint. We gonna help ya NO matter what you say think or do.  uglystupid2 Someone in another post asked about tyranny. Do this forefiture count? RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2021, 06:49:05 PM »

Kick some money in to Rand Paul's reelection fund while you're at it, this has been one of his main issues for many many years...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/06/30/rand-paul-introduces-bill-to-abolish-nonjudicial-civil-forfeiture/
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2021, 03:27:31 AM »

The $82K would be used partially to pay for his new dentures, fix his truck and be administered by his daughter, since he moved to a smaller apartment.

Main issue is that she had to transport the cash flying through the USA, something that apparently, no citizen can do without being robbed (sorry, I mean, 'civil forfeited') in an airport by Government agencies.

The link tells the story:
https://ij.org/case/dea-tsa-forfeitures/

I'm seriously considering donating to the IJ (Institute of Justice) to fight the good fight.


Just remember what a lot of people say:  You have nothing to fear if you aren't doing anything illegal.

I heard from a few places that the gov't wants to monitor any transfers of money of $600 or more.





It appears thats about to happen soon. It may work to our advantage though, how could they possibly keep up with that.

All my transactions from now on will be $601.00. Probably daily.
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Robert
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2021, 04:07:21 AM »

Its been happening for a long time, they may get the money back but not without a legal fight that may cost the whole amount. Houses, cars, property have all been taken under this law.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2021, 08:10:34 AM »

Those "Civil Asset forfeiture Acts" are nothing but a license for Law enforcement to steal. At the very least, the money should be required to be put into an escrow account so the agrieved party has a chance of getting it back. There have been cases where they agency was about to be court ordered to return it when they transfer it to another agency, and the agrieved party has to start all over on recovering their money / property.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2021, 09:31:47 AM »

Forfeiture with no (charged) crime(s) should be prohibited.

There's plenty of good criminal cases of drugs, money laundering, criminal enterprise, conspiracy, bank/insurance fraud, auto theft, yada, where there are criminal cases against humans and lots of money and property which is easily proven as part of the criminal enterprise and/or purchased with ill gotten gains.  Those are still good forfeiture cases.

But taking a guy with nothing more than a speeding ticket, and confiscating his $20K in cash only because you can, with no evidence it is in any way associated with criminal activity, is just wrong.  

I have a long and funny story about some fellow USAF officers who took a trip to the USSR on leave (when it was still the USSR) and getting caught taking out Russian Rubles (just for souvenirs) (it was prohibited).  Traveling on military passports already had them followed and watched.  

Russian customs cop holds up the cash and asks.... OK you military spies, what do you call these, Turkish Rubles?   We have you by the balls now boys.  It's the Lubyanka for you fellows.

It was like a buck two ninety-eight, altogether (in actual value).    2funny
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