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« on: October 02, 2021, 10:53:38 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2021, 04:47:00 AM »

My inclination is to drill the studs and run it thru the wall. But I believe that will leave me about a foot short of line to where I prefer an outlet. Would it be ok to use a covered junction box in the wall for an extension ?

While not a bathroom, in our recent remodel and addition to our home, that's precisely what was done when the wife decided to move a couple of switches.  Can't speak to your code requirements.

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 05:21:14 AM »

I haven’t done that many bath remodels. Maybe 4 or 5 in my entire life. So, I don’t know if this is ok. I have my doubts. Our house was built in the 70’s. Pretty early for around here. The town was formed in the 60’s and I don’t think it really started taking off till the 90’s. Anyways, over the years I discovered many unorthodox building methods on this house. I’m tearing out our main bathroom and expanding, remodeling. They have run the Romex just around the tub to the opposite wall. Not thru the wall cavity as I’ve always seen in the past. Is this safe ? I’m sure it’s not code. But in reality, there is never going to be able to pull on it. My inclination is to drill the studs and run it thru the wall. But I believe that will leave me about a foot short of line to where I prefer an outlet. Would it be ok to use a covered junction box in the wall for an extension ?

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 05:27:49 AM »

Are you saying that you had a one piece tub/shower and the wiring was run behind the tub but in front of the studs?  That’s just lazy, maybe crazy. My preference is to go up and over the ceiling and back down to the new location. What you suggest is  better than what you are starting with. I would try to avoid a junction box in a location I can’t access later even if it means running a whole new piece of romex.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 05:38:21 AM »

I haven’t done that many bath remodels. Maybe 4 or 5 in my entire life. So, I don’t know if this is ok. I have my doubts. Our house was built in the 70’s. Pretty early for around here. The town was formed in the 60’s and I don’t think it really started taking off till the 90’s. Anyways, over the years I discovered many unorthodox building methods on this house. I’m tearing out our main bathroom and expanding, remodeling. They have run the Romex just around the tub to the opposite wall. Not thru the wall cavity as I’ve always seen in the past. Is this safe ? I’m sure it’s not code. But in reality, there is never going to be able to pull on it. My inclination is to drill the studs and run it thru the wall. But I believe that will leave me about a foot short of line to where I prefer an outlet. Would it be ok to use a covered junction box in the wall for an extension ?

Rob, when ever I have an electrical issue, my research consists of looking up a electricians number.  Luckily for me, I have several electrical inspectors I can reach out too also.
I believe any junction box has to be accessible.  Mounted with a cover.
As far as the wire goes, I would believe as long as it is secured correctly, it would pass inspection, but state adopted code is what needs to be followed.

Is the wire off the floor?
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 06:28:18 AM »

An enclosed/concealed box is against code anywhere I've been [ New England/ NYS/ Florida].

I think the wire run across the floor is against code also, I'd recommend sticking it in the wall at least a foot above the floor level. If it comes up short, replace it if you can't live with the new outlet location. Hopefully its #12 and not #14. I don't use #14 for anything.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 08:28:48 AM »

Meat, if possible run a totally new wire so you can get to the desired box without a splice.  I have done some electrical work and had them inspected.   I don't know AZ electrical laws, but just about any wiring needs to be inspected (also involves getting a permit to do the work).   

Are you planning on putting sheetrock on the walls over the wire? 

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2021, 09:02:56 AM »

Maybe a couple of photographs or a video on file so that your insurance carrier and for your fire department's viewing in the event that you have a problem down the road.  The comments on what your building codes and inspection requirements are paramount, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2021, 11:26:40 AM »

Meat, if possible run a totally new wire so you can get to the desired box without a splice.  I have done some electrical work and had them inspected.   I don't know AZ electrical laws, but just about any wiring needs to be inspected (also involves getting a permit to do the work).   




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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2021, 03:26:25 PM »

Meat, if possible run a totally new wire so you can get to the desired box without a splice.  I have done some electrical work and had them inspected.   I don't know AZ electrical laws, but just about any wiring needs to be inspected (also involves getting a permit to do the work).   




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Yep, I agree and said that too. Not sure he is listening/reading. You don't stick a box in the wall and cover it up.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2021, 08:04:48 PM »

Meat, if possible run a totally new wire so you can get to the desired box without a splice.  I have done some electrical work and had them inspected.   I don't know AZ electrical laws, but just about any wiring needs to be inspected (also involves getting a permit to do the work).

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Yep, I agree and said that too. Not sure he is listening/reading. You don't stick a box in the wall and cover it up.

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Replace the wire if it wont reach. More junctions means more possibility of heat at those points and possible future fires.

I believe it might be in either eastern Canada or USA that there has been some law changes that allow owners of homes to go back after the previous owner(s) to sue for illegal work, things like wiring.

I believe it's legal for homeowners to do their own work, with or without permits (?), but all current building codes must be adhered to. I did my own gas fitting decades ago, with a permit and inspected. I did it wrong (size/bends), but the inspector was more worried about fire risk of not brazed copper pipe (copper pipe is brazed; as soldier would let go in a house fire and fuel the flames).

Rob, when ever I have an electrical issue, my research consists of looking up a electricians number.  Luckily for me, I have several electrical inspectors I can reach out too also.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2021, 04:36:42 AM »

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I believe it's legal for homeowners to do their own work, with or without permits (?), but all current building codes must be adhered to.

Each state adopts its own codes.  In MA, a "homeowner " may pull their own electrical permit and do the work themselves, but all work requires a permit and inspection.
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