If this doesn't piss you off, nothing will. Woman raped and people watched!

[Rams]

'Angry and disgusted': Train riders held up phones, didn't call 911 as woman was raped on Philadelphia train, police say
https://www.aol.com/news/an...-held-215643721.html

A man was charged with raping a woman on a train outside of Philadelphia as fellow passengers watched, held up phones and did nothing to intervene, police said.

The man, Fiston Ngoy, 35, harassed the woman, groped her and eventually raped her as fellow passengers watched the assault through more than two dozen train stops last week, authorities said. Police believe no one called authorities, though they are investigating whether any of the witnesses may have recorded the incident.

Officials said they do not expect charges against the bystanders on the train.

Transit officers for the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority stopped Ngoy at a train stop, finding him in the middle of his assault, SEPTA Police Chief Thomas J. Nestel said at a press conference Monday.

"When the doors opened, an officer entered and saw what he believed was a criminal act occurring," Nestel said. "He ripped that man off her and pulled him out onto the platform."

Nestel said both Ngoy and the victim got on the train Oct. 13 at the same stop — the Frankford Transportation Center in northeast Philadelphia. Police say they weren't able to stop the assault until the train reached the 69th Street terminal in west Philadelphia on the Market-Frankford Line, which was about 27 stops later. Nestel said his officers responded within three minutes of the lone 911 call they received — from an off-duty transportation employee.

Police and other officials were troubled that no one witnessing the assault intervened and held a news conference reiterating the need for people who see something unusual to report it immediately, even anonymously or through the emergency buttons on trains.

"What we want is everyone to be angry and disgusted and to be resolute about making the system safer," Nestel said, adding that it "concerns me" no one stepped in throughout the lengthy assault that an arrest affidavit shows continued for about 40 minutes.

He noted surveillance footage captured the assault and appeared to show other passengers possibly recording the attack. "There were people witnessing the act with phones in their hands," Nestel said. "People were holding their phone up in the direction of this woman being attacked."

Despite their inaction, prosecutors handling the case don’t anticipate charging fellow passengers for not intervening, a spokesperson for the suburban Philadelphia district attorney said.

In an emailed statement to The Associated Press, District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer said prosecutors want witnesses to come forward, rather than fearing prosecution, and said: “Pennsylvania law does not allow for the prosecution of a passenger who may have witnessed a crime.”

Elizabeth Jeglic, a psychology professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, researches sexual violence prevention. She said if people feel uncomfortable about physically intervening, there are other options, such as calling the police.

"When we have multiple people, people don't necessarily intervene," she said. "However, more recent research actually suggests that looking at video footage of more extreme circumstances that up to 90% of cases we do see people intervening. So it was actually somewhat of an aberration in this case that somebody did not step forward to help this individual."

Arrest records show Fiston Ngoy, 35, is facing a host of charges, including rape.

The arrest affidavit for Ngoy detailed times of the assault, including that during those 40 minutes the woman appears to repeatedly push Ngoy away.

Nestel would not give an approximate number of witnesses and it was unclear from the affidavit how many passengers were present for those 40 minutes, but the train line is the busiest route on SEPTA. Authorities have not released the surveillance video.

Investigators said in the affidavit that Ngoy sat down next to the woman about a minute after he boarded the train car, shortly after 9:15 p.m. The video shows her pushing him away multiple times until he is seen ripping her pants down at about 9:52 p.m.

Superintendent Timothy Bernhardt, of the Upper Darby Police Department, which is investigating the incident, said officers arrived around 10 p.m.

"There was a lot of people, in my opinion, that should have intervened. Somebody should have done something," Bernhardt told The Philadelphia Inquirer. "It speaks to where we are in society and who would allow something like that to take place. So it’s troubling."

Ngoy was arrested after being pulled off the woman. The victim was taken to a local hospital.

According to the court documents, the woman told police that Ngoy ignored her pleas to go away. Ngoy claimed he knew the victim and said the encounter was consensual, but he could not remember her name, the arrest affidavit states. His last address was listed as a homeless shelter.

In a statement, SEPTA called the incident a "horrendous criminal act."

"There were other people on the train who witnessed this horrific act, and it may have been stopped sooner if a rider called 911," SEPTA said in the statement, urging people to call authorities if they witness a crime or anything unusual.

My singular thought on this is, what if it was your wife or daughter.................. Although, that really doesn't matter, she was someone's daughter. Yeah, this really pisses me off.  

Rams

[Rams]

It is pretty disgusting. It’s hard to imagine a defense.

I read a little bit ago though that none will be charged. Evidently it’s not a crime in Pennsylvania.

Just goes to show where we are as a society and who can be depended on.   It's really a pretty sad statement on us as a whole and on big cities, Philly specifically.

Rams

[Serk]

Just doing what the mainstream media is programming people to do... 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2020/05/27/stop-calling-the-police-on-black-people/

[cookiedough]

not condoning it by any means, but maybe the passengers on that train were all older folks and thought it was concensual or thought they would be next or harmed if mostly say females?  Doubt that is the case but is possible.

also depends if the female being abused was yelling and screaming or just laying there not saying a word maybe the passengers thought it was concensual like said and minding their own business, but once again, highly doubt it.  

surely some sickos in this world who can think they can get away with it in broad daylight in public with people around.

could have been a bunch of gang bangers on that train as well with phones out to video it and not caring?  

[Rams]

not condoning it by any means, but maybe the passengers on that train were all older folks and thought it was concensual or thought they would be next or harmed if mostly say females?  Doubt that is the case but is possible.

also depends if the female being abused was yelling and screaming or just laying there not saying a word maybe the passengers thought it was concensual like said and minding their own business, but once again, highly doubt it.  

surely some sickos in this world who can think they can get away with it in broad daylight in public with people around.

could have been a bunch of gang bangers on that train as well with phones out to video it and not caring?  

CLICK on the link and see what the subway camera showed.   Those are not all little old ladies filming with their cell phones while that lady is getting raped for forty minutes!!

Ramd

[Moonshot_1]

Serk nails it. The guy was black. His life matters. We can't judge. We set ourselves up for retribution even in an obvious case as this.

If anyone did try to help it is edited to show the attacker being "attacked" by some non-black guy. On CNN for days and the rapist becomes the hero and victim.

This is where we are at. The good people afraid of the bad people.

[old2soon]

      ALL those cursed cell phones and folks would rather video the rape than call 911! What IS this world of ours coming too! Even at my age and physical limitations I'm fairly certain I could of at the very least punched him in the ear or back of the neck. Course I Know I will Never KNOW that to be true or not. RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

I intervened on the DC metro several times.

Mostly I just stood up and moved close with a serious look on my face (which was not fabricated).

When I had to speak, I proposed immediate violence.  

That was all it ever took.

But one day after one of these incidents, someone rammed my new car in my parking garage (with no cameras).  (that case involved a black man) (of course, I have no idea who rammed my car, but it didn't look accidental.)

There are sheep and sheepdogs.  

There are a lot of things I would not chose to intervene in.  The times I acted was with women and kids. With a rape, I would just go to violence, as hard as I could.  I might grab a recording phone too.

The scene in Dirty Harry comes to mind where he is asked why he shot a man.  He said it was for an attempted rape.  How did you know it was an attempted rape?.  The perp was naked, chasing a woman with a hardon and a butcher knife.  People like this deserve immediate violence, and no preliminary discussion.  No need for sociology classes and sensitivity training.  

[Sweet Cheeks]

This is so sad and so senseless. It makes my heart hurt that people would just stand by and watch anyone be assaulted.  Just sad.

Janice

[old2soon]

This is so sad and so senseless. It makes my heart hurt that people would just stand by and watch anyone be assaulted.  Just sad.

Janice

           woke society ain't! RIDE SAFE.

[f6gal]

not condoning it by any means, but maybe the passengers on that train were all older folks and thought it was concensual or thought they would be next or harmed if mostly say females?  Doubt that is the case but is possible.

also depends if the female being abused was yelling and screaming or just laying there not saying a word maybe the passengers thought it was concensual like said and minding their own business, but once again, highly doubt it.  

surely some sickos in this world who can think they can get away with it in broad daylight in public with people around.

could have been a bunch of gang bangers on that train as well with phones out to video it and not caring?  

CLICK on the link and see what the subway camera showed.   Those are not all little old ladies filming with their cell phones while that lady is getting raped for forty minutes!!

Ramd

The link doesn't work.  I can't find anything that shows the subway camera footage.

[Valkorado]

Sickening.

[Jersey mike]

Society reaps what it sows.

Chivalry is not expected or wanted on a large scale.

I feel bad for the woman because I bet she was wishing/thinking why isn’t someone coming to her rescue, but the bystanders all have to live with their own conscience over the consequences.

Until people learn to fight their own battles and stand up against thugs of all types the dark side of humanity will continue to have their place in society and will continue to flourish through intimidation and reprisal.

[Rams]

not condoning it by any means, but maybe the passengers on that train were all older folks and thought it was concensual or thought they would be next or harmed if mostly say females?  Doubt that is the case but is possible.

also depends if the female being abused was yelling and screaming or just laying there not saying a word maybe the passengers thought it was concensual like said and minding their own business, but once again, highly doubt it.  

surely some sickos in this world who can think they can get away with it in broad daylight in public with people around.

could have been a bunch of gang bangers on that train as well with phones out to video it and not caring?  

CLICK on the link and see what the subway camera showed.   Those are not all little old ladies filming with their cell phones while that lady is getting raped for forty minutes!!

Ramd

The link doesn't work.  I can't find anything that shows the subway camera footage.

You're correct on the link.   There was a pic with the article that isn't there now.   Hmm.  

A bit more about the accused attacker.

https://www.foxnews.com/pol...-terminated-deported

Man accused of raping woman on crowded train was released from immigration detention, never deported

Rams

[Jersey mike]

Similar situation in Atlanta

https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-mayor-crime-witnesses-video-voyeurs-911-philadelphia-train

“ Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms spoke out Wednesday after a shooting in the city left two people dead, claiming members of the public had responded by taking videos at the scene instead of calling 911.”

“Bottoms also claimed people were posting information about the crime on social media rather than alerting city police.”

“"Just a reminder to the public to please call 911," Bottoms said during a news conference. "We did start receiving phone calls but social media received information, and has received more information, quite frankly, than we have received through our 911 center. So for us to be able to appropriately respond and assess, we just ask if you can put down your camera, put down your phone, call 911 and then allow us to do what we do."”




Some confusing info there…”put down your camera, put down your phone and call 911”

[Skinhead]

Philadelphia, 'nuff said.  City of brotherly love my ass.

[98valk]

Philadelphia is a Sanctuary City controlled by democrats. they also kicked ICE out.

the DA Larry Krasner is against cops, pro criminal and would have gone after the citizens if they had helped, for assaulting an illegal invader.

The Disastrous Consequences of DA Larry Krasner’s “Reforms”

Gun-related violent crime is up in Philadelphia. That was entirely predictable when we elected a district attorney whose primary goal is releasing criminals rather than prosecuting them.

When he was running for district attorney, Larry Krasner, supported by a PAC funded by George Soros, made his commitment to social reform and reducing the inmate population quite clear. He promised to fundamentally transform the city’s criminal justice system.

No one can accuse Krasner of not following through.

As the Inquirer reported on June 23rd, Krasner is funneling an increased number of gun cases to a court diversionary program called Accelerated Rehabilitative Disposition (ARD). In 2018, Krasner’s first year as district attorney, 78 cases were sent to the ARD program, compared with 12 the previous year.

Why does this matter? Because criminals who carry guns usually intend to use them.

Maalik Jackson-Wallace, for example, was given a second chance by Krasner’s office. Jackson-Wallace, whose case was highlighted by the Inquirer, was initially arrested on a gun possession charge. The case was sent to ARD and Jackson-Wallace received probation. He was arrested a second time for gun possession and released on unsecured bail. On June 13th, he was arrested again and charged with murder; police say he shot and killed a 26-year-old man. (Jackson-Wallace’s attorney claims it was in self-defense.)

When Krasner was practicing law in Philadelphia – specializing in criminal defense and civil rights cases – he sued the police department some 75 times. He doesn’t believe in the death penalty, and he’s called law enforcement “systemically racist.”

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/06/27/larry-krasner-reforms-philadelphia/

[f6gal]

not condoning it by any means, but maybe the passengers on that train were all older folks and thought it was concensual or thought they would be next or harmed if mostly say females?  Doubt that is the case but is possible.

also depends if the female being abused was yelling and screaming or just laying there not saying a word maybe the passengers thought it was concensual like said and minding their own business, but once again, highly doubt it.  

surely some sickos in this world who can think they can get away with it in broad daylight in public with people around.

could have been a bunch of gang bangers on that train as well with phones out to video it and not caring?  

CLICK on the link and see what the subway camera showed.   Those are not all little old ladies filming with their cell phones while that lady is getting raped for forty minutes!!

Ramd

The link doesn't work.  I can't find anything that shows the subway camera footage.

You're correct on the link.   There was a pic with the article that isn't there now.   Hmm.  

A bit more about the accused attacker.

https://www.foxnews.com/pol...-terminated-deported

Man accused of raping woman on crowded train was released from immigration detention, never deported

Rams

Link doesn't work.  It looks like you're posting partial links (with ... in place of part of the link).

[f6gal]

An armed society is a polite society.  Someone on the train should have been armed and shot his ass.

j/s

[scooperhsd]

An armed society is a polite society.  Someone on the train should have been armed and shot his ass.

j/s

DO you mean LITERALLY ? Because I would agree !

[Bighead]

Why would you think the story isn’t accurate? You seem to believe all news except one channel.
And yes one firearm would have made a huge difference only problem with that is the armed would be in way more hot water for defending the victim than the perp who was raping the woman. 

[Skinhead]

Believe me, there were plenty of guns on that train, probably none of them legally, it's Philly remember.

I'm glad no one shot him, especially a white person, we'd have another Saint George Floyd on our hands.

[Serk]

Sadly in today's environment if the perp is of a protected class I'll at most try to call 911, but even that is risky now for a non-protected class to call the cops on a member of a protected class... 

[Serk]

Sadly in today's environment if the perp is of a protected class I'll at most try to call 911, but even that is risky now for a non-protected class to call the cops on a member of a protected class... 

I would rather deal with the consequences of stopping a rapist than have it on my conscience that I did nothing to stop it.

I can't afford to have my children lose their provider and protector, I just don't have that luxury. If there weren't others depending on me being here every day I might choose differently.

I would HATE to be in that situation where I can't help, but this is where we've gone as a society, and these are the consequences of those decisions.

[MarkT]

That's a tough decision given the perp in a protected class and me, not.  But if I was there pretty sure I would have called 911 and then drawn on the turd.  Whether I popped a cap would depend on what happened next.  Also, not considering whatever local laws in philly are in play.  The whole city as well as public transit might be a "gun safe zone" for all I know.  Meaning saving the woman with deadly force - especially against a protected perp - would get the hero in more trouble than the turd.  Shades of Bernhard Goetz.

[3fan4life]

While shooting the A$$HOLE might've been particularly satisfying.

Pulling him off of the woman and using a knife to separate his "weapon" from his body would've been more appropriate.

No gun charges and it ensures that he can't do it again.

[Jess from VA]

In such a case, the armed solution is easy.

You draw and approach from behind and pistol whip him into hopeful submission (head shots).  If he submits, no need to use lethal force.

But if that doesn't work, making sure all the cell phone videographers get a good shot of him attacking you (you may even want to take a few punches yourself first, or get him to show a weapon), then you fire in self defense (and in defense of the rapee, and everyone else in that train car).  Now if a rapist stops humping someone, and gets off and goes for you, I don't know how you don't shoot him in the nuts.  At least once.  

Then you make a show of rendering some rudimentary first aid (without touching his nuts, and making sure he doesn't breathe on you), getting that on camera too.  Render some first aid and comfort to the rapee too.  

Then get someone to call 911, and wait for the investigation fun and games to begin.

Try to stop everyone from running away when the doors open, you need a few good witnesses.

Easy peasy.  

[98valk]

if he was on his knee/s  I would have been stomping on the foot, ankle and knee joints. the pain from those when broken would have stopped him.  but then he would have got a lawyer and sued me big time since now he is crippled and can't work.

and that is why people just watched.

[scooperhsd]

While shooting the A$$HOLE might've been particularly satisfying.

Pulling him off of the woman and using a knife to separate his "weapon" from his body would've been more appropriate.

No gun charges and it ensures that he can't do it again.

yeah I was thinking that might be more appropriate. Call 911 (get 1st responders on the way), then whack the perp on the back of the head to get his attention, grab his knife and go for the jewels. Or - leave a nasty gash in his neck that he may not survive. And then disappear....

[Willow]

There is some disagreement on the behavior of other passengers on the train.  See the article from this afternoon.

Delaware County DA says police account of train rape near Philadelphia 'simply not true'

There is no disagreement on the guilt of this 35 year old repeating criminal.  He deserves what all rapists deserve.  The system carries blame as well for not sending this monster out of our country long ago.   

[scooperhsd]

"What all rapists deserve" is to be naked, put gasoline on their genitals, provide a knife, set the genitals on fire, then let him decide how he wants to go through life - cut them off or "extra crispy".....

[98valk]

another rape happens because of democrat policy/actions.
our tax dollars given to him and his buddies to have a hotel room.   democrat immigration policy is a UN immigration relocation policy. democrat party are UN globalist operatives, their policies are the UN agendas.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/21/afghan-u-s-biden-accused-raping-teenage-girl-montana/

An Afghan male, reportedly brought to the United States by President Joe Biden’s massive resettlement operation out of Afghanistan, is accused of raping a teenage girl in Missoula, Montana.

Zabihullah Mohmand, a 19-year-old Afghan male, was arrested and charged with raping an 18-year-old woman in a Residence Inn Marriot hotel in Missoula on October 17. According to the woman, she met Mohmand at the hotel bar.

The Missoulian reports:

    When Missoula police met with the woman, she reported meeting Mohmand and two other men she did not know, the documents said. They left the Badlander looking for a house party. When the group learned there wasn’t a party, Mohmand asked the woman to go back to his hotel room. She agreed, but made it clear she did not want anything to happen between them. When they arrived at Mohmand’s hotel room, she went to sleep. [Emphasis added]

[98valk]

Passengers in the train car did not intervene, instead grabbed their smartphones to film the attack.

He was not deported because an immigration judge granted him a "withholding of removal" in March of 2019. This followed an appeals board that would rule that his sex crime was not a "serious crime" that would make in eligible for deportation.

https://thepostmillennial.com/man-raped-woman-train-illegal-immigrant-criminal-record?utm_campaign=64470

Ngoy entered the US on a student visa in 2012, but remained in the country after his visa was terminated, according to the Daily Mail.

Court records show that Ngoy had been arrested numerous times and has two misdemeanor convictions, one of which is for sexual abuse, the other for one for controlled substances.

Ngoy pleaded guilty to the sex charge in 2017 in Washington, DC and was sentenced to 120 days in jail. He was then placed in immigration detention in January 2018. But he remained in the country.

[cookiedough]

it does amaze me how no on called 911 though that is just beyond comprehension. 

I bet he had at least a knife on him if not a gun. 

Pretty sure most of us here would have tossed his keester against the train wall and told him to back the F off or bring it buddy boy.   Always a chance he has a knife or gun though, then what? 

I got confronted by a young black guy age 19 or so tops trying to impress his white girlyfriend,  calling me a big fat old white honky or something like that out of the blue minding my own business at a waterpark about 14 or so years ago when my kid was little in grade school.  Luckily my kid was not there enjoying the waterpark for what I said back even I was taken back on what I told him was in a pissy mood.  Yes, it was the N word and got in his face VERY close and told him to go back to Illinois where he belongs or bring it also saying the F word.  He backed off and never said another word luckily for him.    At least with just swim trunks on I knew he was not packing heat or a knife.....    Am sure he could have run away faster than me even in my late 30s.

I probably should have taken the high road and just said shut the Hel_ up  and left it alone.  old saying goes stick and stones break bones but names never hurt me...

[3fan4life]

another rape happens because of democrat policy/actions.
our tax dollars given to him and his buddies to have a hotel room.   democrat immigration policy is a UN immigration relocation policy. democrat party are UN globalist operatives, their policies are the UN agendas.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/21/afghan-u-s-biden-accused-raping-teenage-girl-montana/

An Afghan male, reportedly brought to the United States by President Joe Biden’s massive resettlement operation out of Afghanistan, is accused of raping a teenage girl in Missoula, Montana.

Zabihullah Mohmand, a 19-year-old Afghan male, was arrested and charged with raping an 18-year-old woman in a Residence Inn Marriot hotel in Missoula on October 17. According to the woman, she met Mohmand at the hotel bar.

The Missoulian reports:

    When Missoula police met with the woman, she reported meeting Mohmand and two other men she did not know, the documents said. They left the Badlander looking for a house party. When the group learned there wasn’t a party, Mohmand asked the woman to go back to his hotel room. She agreed, but made it clear she did not want anything to happen between them. When they arrived at Mohmand’s hotel room, she went to sleep. [Emphasis added]

The best possible punishment for him would be, to give him a sex change operation and send him back to Afghanistan.

[3fan4life]

it does amaze me how no on called 911 though that is just beyond comprehension.  

I bet he had at least a knife on him if not a gun.  

Pretty sure most of us here would have tossed his keester against the train wall and told him to back the F off or bring it buddy boy.   Always a chance he has a knife or gun though, then what?  

Carrying a gun in big cities can lead to being in a lot of trouble.

A good knife however should be carried at all times.

I'll guarantee that a knife in one of his kidneys would've "deflated" him.

[cookiedough]

now thats a knife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnosk4tWrg

[Patrick]

I can't respond to this.