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« on: January 21, 2022, 05:37:18 AM »

Tear and Abrasion Strength by the numbers
Pounds of force until fabric tears Abrasion cycles on pavement until fabric fails
CottonJeans 4.5 pounds to tear 50 cycles to failure
70 Denier Standard Nylon 4.5 pounds to tear 165 cycles to failure
500 Denier Polyester 8 pounds to tear 180 cycles to failure
200 Denier Standard Nylon 7.5 pounds to tear 275 cycles to failure
500 Denier Cordura 22 pounds to tear 710 cycles to failure
620 Denier Cordura 35 pounds to tear 1200 cycles to failure
NEW Competition Grade Leather 80-110 pounds to tear 1200-1700 cycles to failure
1000 Denier Cordura 110 pounds to tear 1780 cycles to failure
Air Mesh Kevlar 1260 pounds to tear 970 cycles to failure Stretch Kevlar Blend 420lbs pounds to tear 1800 cycles to failure

This is how quickly some materials take to hole:
Material Seconds
Denim 0.2 to 0.5
Some race gloves 0.6
Most leather gloves 1.0 to 1.8
Keprotec stretch material 0.9
Poor Kevlar 1.0
Two layers of waxed cotton 1.3
1.3mm thick cow hide 3.8
Two layers of 1.3mm thick cowhide 18
Three layers of 1.3mm thick cowhide 55
Two layers of Kevlar plain weave 5.6
Suede 18
Boot leather (generally 2.2mm thick) 20
Leather stretch panels 20.4


Drag Test

"For the Drag Test, samples were stitched to a bag that held a 75-pound
sandbag inside a milk crate, then dragged behind a pickup truck..."

New, 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ----------------------- 3' 10"
Senior Balistic Nylon ----------------------------------- 3' 10"
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz/sq. ft. --- 4' 3"
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz/sq ft. ------------- 4' 4"
Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ------------ 4' 5"
Cordura Nylon Type 440 ----------------------------- 18' 3"
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 ------------------ 22' 1"
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz/sq. ft. -------- 86' 0"


Taber Test

"For the Taber Test, the specimen was mounted on a rotating platform and
scuffed by two rubber-emery grinding wheels." The numbers represent the
number of revolutions until the fabric totally fails. A vacuum clears
debris.

Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 168
New 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 225
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 506
Cordura Nylon, Type 440 559
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz./sq. ft. 564
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz./sq. ft. 750
Senior Ballistic Nylon 817
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz./sq. ft. 2600

More to consider...

"Finally, protection from road abrasion cannot be guaranteed by a
materials abrasion resistance alone. A jacket may have panels of
highly abrasion-resistant materials, yet if low-quality stitching joins
those panels and the seams come apart upon impact or during a slide, then
the abrasion resistance of the panels could count for nothing.
Furthermore, an ill-fitting garment may ride up in a slide, contorting
the body and exposing the skin. And the best jacket in the world, left
unzipped and/or unsnapped, won't give riders the protection they pay
for. When it comes to safety, the issues are more complex than just the
abrasion resistance of materials." __________________

From another site:

The textiles vs leathers debate is all about tradeoffs. Choosing which material to use to cover your hide with and spend your pennies on depends on how much you value individual tradeoffs and ultimately, your intended use and riding conditions. Sounds easy enough, but deciding between textiles vs leathers has had great rider minds in a muddle and increasingly so over the last couple of years as the quality and versatility of both materials has improved so much! Just type in “textiles vs leathers ” into google and you will find that 90% of the results are from forums with the answer ultimately resulting in the fact that it depends on your personal preferences. The problem is that this does not help those new to the biking world who have not had the time or experience to develop their own, well-guided preferences… and so the argument goes on.

But, it’s really quite simple if you use the BMI (Best Motorcycle Information) textiles vs leathers test. This test takes the four most differentiating attributes of the two materials into consideration – price, maintenance, comfort and protection. Each attribute is also assigned to either leathers or textiles, depending on which material has the greater advantage in terms of the attribute. After reading the brief summary on each, assign a score out of a hundred to each attribute, giving those attributes that are most important to you higher scores, so that in the end the total score of your four attributes adds to 100. Then add up the score that you gave to the leather attributes and textile attributes, and the material with the highest score is your answer – and best of all it will be unique to your personal preferences.

Price - Textiles
Motorcycle textiles are cheaper to buy than leathers. It is also much harder to judge the quality of leathers and so you take the risk of paying a lot of money for a suit that does not have quality stitching and construction. (Just beware however that it is widely accepted that your textile suit will probably only survive one crash before you have to fork out for a new pair.)
Maintenance - Textiles
This one is simple – motorcycle textiles can be thrown in a commercial washer, while leathers will need to be sent to the cleaners.
Comfort - Textiles
Motorcycle textiles have an all weather capability: vents for when it is warm, liners for when it is cold and water resistance for rain. It breathes more easily than leather, and water slides off it like a ducks back.

Leather is also much heavier than textile.
Protection - Leather
Tests are conducted all the time to compare the abrasion resistance of motorcycle riding gear materials and leather always comes out on top as the most durable material. Furthermore, leather does not melt from friction, it will cushion your fall more than motorcycle textiles would and it offers the best protection against a road rash. The fact that leather also lasts through multiple crashes whilst textiles will probably only last through one, says a lot about the difference in protection and impact between the two materials.
The textiles vs leathers debate basically comes down to protection vs everything else.
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Avanti
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 09:26:38 AM »

I ride full leathers since 1972. Yes there are times it is hot. I have a cooling layer for those times.

I still do not like the ground!!
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2022, 11:11:14 AM »

Thanks Britman!
Very interesting charts!

What I know from personal experience is that; leather is heavy and needs lots of ventilation when weather is hot, textiles can be used in really cold temps to really hot temps if you use layers, and T-shirts just roll up in an unexpected get off leaving bare skin take the abrasion.  I did not enjoy that particular lesson!  Oh, and the sun eats up denim a lot quicker than I like!

I would be interested in textile pants that are not black or some goober racing color scheme.  Black is too hot for me when the sun is cooking everything. 


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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2022, 12:14:58 PM »

I would be interested in textile pants that are not black

This is a problem with most all textile gear; the default color is black, which makes hot sunny weather worse.  Almost all textile pants are black.  Even mesh, which is supposed to be thought out to be cooler for a rider to wear.  I did find a pair or two of pure white, and the ice cream man look was not to my liking either.  And you know pure white would soon be stained up badly.  Those are not pee stains, they are bug stains.

or some goober racing color scheme.

Agree here too.  The Joseph coat of many colors look, with ridiculous logos making you a riding billboard, are also not to my liking.  Look at the thousand bizarre multi-color full face helmets.  Ever try to get a plain pair of tennis shoes?

I have beautiful leather, and almost never wear it anymore.  Except one unlined one that fits so perfectly, but only in cool but not cold conditions.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2022, 06:41:54 AM »

all I know is my draggin jeans did not rip in a 55 mpg slide and I still can wear those jeans

Of course the denim outside rippped immediately

I was wearing the knee armor that day no problem

The belt I was wearing was worn to white from black

I believe in kevlar
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2022, 06:13:22 PM »

I would be interested in textile pants that are not black

This is a problem with most all textile gear; the default color is black, which makes hot sunny weather worse.  Almost all textile pants are black.  Even mesh, which is supposed to be thought out to be cooler for a rider to wear.  I did find a pair or two of pure white, and the ice cream man look was not to my liking either.  And you know pure white would soon be stained up badly.  Those are not pee stains, they are bug stains.

or some goober racing color scheme.

Agree here too.  The Joseph coat of many colors look, with ridiculous logos making you a riding billboard, are also not to my liking.  Look at the thousand bizarre multi-color full face helmets.  Ever try to get a plain pair of tennis shoes?

I have beautiful leather, and almost never wear it anymore.  Except one unlined one that fits so perfectly, but only in cool but not cold conditions.


[/https://www.aerostich.com/suits/ad-1-pants/ad1-pants-1.html










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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2022, 06:19:33 PM »

We're supposed to wear pants? While riding?

Nobody told me about that.
Ain't gonna be so fun anymore.

Does explain the funny looks I get though.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2022, 06:34:32 PM »

www.aerostich.com/suits/ad-1-pants/ad1-pants-1.html

The day I spend $427 on a pair of pants.... will never come.   (Although I know Aerostitch makes top quality stuff)

I have a pair of Dainese full leather pants that went for more than that new, but I only paid $80 for them (and they had only been down the quarter mile twice). 
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