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« on: September 07, 2022, 07:26:53 AM » |
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I’m convinced that good people are a majority of us even though we all have good days and bad days. At the same time I think very dark minded people are growing in numbers and maybe in the level of evil actions.
The young mom abducted and murdered in Memphis is one of our most glaring recent examples. Naturally there is more we don’t know than what we do know, but it appears she was killed by a paroled kidnapper and rapist who had served 20 years of a 24 year sentence for a previous kidnapping.
Whoever killed this young mom of two is a predator plan and simple. I never had a daughter but now have a granddaughter and while I don’t want any female to live in fear, I want her to know that she has to be on guard and not put herself in dangerous situations. Our girls are precious and deserve all the protection we can provide. Our school systems would better serve our boys by teaching them about how to treat girls rather than trying to convince them they may be a girl if they want.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2022, 07:54:51 AM » |
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I think many of these predators have an irreparable short circuit. They aren't capable of living in society, and are beyond rehabilitation.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2022, 08:13:56 AM » |
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Apparently he is a real POS. He had everyone afraid in his apt complex. Yep, there are people in this world that are just plain no good.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2022, 08:25:19 AM » |
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I agree, good people are everywhere in this country.. I meet them every day. The bad ones are far outnumbered.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2022, 09:22:36 AM » |
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Part of the problem is the bad ones get most of the press, and an overabundance of leniency in the judicial system.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2022, 10:06:04 AM » |
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I’m convinced that good people are a majority of us even though we all have good days and bad days. At the same time I think very dark minded people are growing in numbers and maybe in the level of evil actions.
Our school systems would better serve our boys by teaching them about how to treat girls rather than trying to convince them they may be a girl if they want.
 Yes, back to the basics. Women are precious, to be protected. I know that sounds "old school" but it is. I don't really know how to say this but it is pretty simple, without the females/women, we will have no one left in this world. They are precious and should always be protected. Ladies first. Open the door. Yes Ma'am. No Ma'am. Lead in bad areas but make sure you cover the rear. Old story, sometime in 2001-2003 don't remember when, we visited San Diego for a nuclear power plant meeting. We decided to take a day trip to Tijuana. There were six of us as I remember. Three men, three women. As we walked through the area, I sort of lead the way, just to make sure it was safe. It was after a few minutes I noted one of the other men at the back of the group. He, like I, was ex military and he was from Texas. He was protecting the rear. It was not discussed. It was not debated it happened. That is the way it should work.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2022, 10:48:08 AM » |
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Good people everywhereEverywhere I go, there's at least one.  And often more.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2022, 11:59:11 AM » |
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Yes, back to the basics. Women are precious, to be protected. I know that sounds "old school" but it is. I don't really know how to say this but it is pretty simple, without the females/women, we will have no one left in this world. They are precious and should always be protected. For the most part, I agree. There are some really evil females also. Without the Males/Men, we will have no one left in the world-same
Ladies first. Open the door. Yes Ma'am. No Ma'am. Lead in bad areas but make sure you cover the rear. Others first. Open the door. Yes, Ma'am/Sir. No Ma'am/Sir
Old story, sometime in 2001-2003 don't remember when, we visited San Diego for a nuclear power plant meeting. We decided to take a day trip to Tijuana. There were six of us as I remember. Three men, three women. As we walked through the area, I sort of lead the way, just to make sure it was safe.
It was after a few minutes I noted one of the other men at the back of the group. He, like I, was ex military and he was from Texas. He was protecting the rear. It was not discussed. It was not debated it happened.
That is the way it should work.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2022, 12:02:26 PM » |
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I’m convinced that good people are a majority of us even though we all have good days and bad days. At the same time I think very dark minded people are growing in numbers and maybe in the level of evil actions.
Our school systems would better serve our boys by teaching them about how to treat girls rather than trying to convince them they may be a girl if they want.
 Yes, back to the basics. Women are precious, to be protected. I know that sounds "old school" but it is. I don't really know how to say this but it is pretty simple, without the females/women, we will have no one left in this world. They are precious and should always be protected. Ladies first. Open the door. Yes Ma'am. No Ma'am. Lead in bad areas but make sure you cover the rear. Old story, sometime in 2001-2003 don't remember when, we visited San Diego for a nuclear power plant meeting. We decided to take a day trip to Tijuana. There were six of us as I remember. Three men, three women. As we walked through the area, I sort of lead the way, just to make sure it was safe. It was after a few minutes I noted one of the other men at the back of the group. He, like I, was ex military and he was from Texas. He was protecting the rear. It was not discussed. It was not debated it happened. That is the way it should work. Chivalry isn’t dead yet, some are trying to kill it but as long as the proper ways are continually shown how it’s done nonchalantly it won’t die out. Teach your children well, lead by example.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2022, 12:03:47 PM » |
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Part of the problem is the bad ones get most of the press, and an overabundance of leniency in the judicial system.
Another example of this, most youngish 30 somethings I know are not sjw creeps, they're normal people trying to make it in this forked up world.. just like the rest of us. My hope for this great country lies in them and others, all the really good people I meet on a regular basis make me a believer that good will ultimately prevail over the rampant evil we see in the propaganda 'media'.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2022, 01:11:13 PM » |
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2022, 02:43:30 PM » |
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  We’re splitting hairs here. Since Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden for disobeying Gods command to not eat of the one fruit they allowed sin to enter their lives and every human since. I draw a distinct line between having a sinful nature and being evil. I know I am sinful, even though I live under the umbrella of Gods Grace freely given to all who earnestly seek his will and accept him as their savior. I could be evil, I have very evil thoughts at times, but I’ve had enough time on this earth to realize the error of my ways, repent and ask for forgiveness. Probably enough said by me on the subject.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2022, 08:24:40 AM » |
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I draw a distinct line between having a sinful nature and being evil.
Hasnt that always been the issue, "personal choice". I will also take it one step further, what we see in the world today is some given over to evil, as a choice. Its evil beyond even criminals, its demonic in nature, wholly sold out to evil and not a care in the world for others lives, just the goals and ambitions of the evil one. An old grandfather was teaching his grandson about life: “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil–he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you–and inside every other person, too.” The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf will win?” The grandfather simply replied, “The one you feed.” Our churches today do not teach of the power we have through our relationship in Jesus. We are not victims, although selfish we can have priorities change and also get what we need and want. God is not a miser the But remember the Lord your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce wealth." Deuteronomy 8:18 NIV I love God not because He dictates what to do, but because He warns advises and shows me the path and shows me His love. He also rewards beyond measure in every area of life. If I live right and follow His leading, then I get the rewards of living a good life. But sometimes rewards come because I use the power and authority that is God given and command situations. If I decide to be evil and use the power of the enemy and command or take anything I want then I will get those rewards and all the problems, and penalties that come with it. This second choice is what we see in the world among many leaders today.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2022, 03:32:08 PM » |
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I've learned through experience to treat people as I would like to be treated but, respect is earned, not given. Until I know someone personally, I tend to be wary. Some lessons only need to be learned once. Unfortunately, I've had to relearn this lesson several times.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2022, 06:57:56 PM » |
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I've learned through experience to treat people as I would like to be treated but, respect is earned, not given. Until I know someone personally, I tend to be wary. Some lessons only need to be learned once. Unfortunately, I've had to relearn this lesson several times. I too, believe it's right to treat others as I would like to be treated but it has nothing to do with believing that people are mostly good. As a person who, like I, went through formative years in the military I'm surprised to hear (read) you say (type) that respect must be earned. Respect should be automatic and, outside of a rank structure, disrespect is what needs to be earned.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2022, 07:40:44 PM » |
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Interesting conversation. I believe we each have the opportunity to become a good person. It's not a given, and we're all works in progress.
As stated most people are wondering what's in it for me? Is this our flaw, or merely a survival instinct?
I was eating a Dove dark chocolate earlier. Inside the wrapper was printed, "Be somebody you look up to". A tall order for those of us who tend to be our own worst critics, but a great thing to strive for regardless.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2022, 09:44:11 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2022, 04:24:56 AM » |
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I too, believe it's right to treat others as I would like to be treated but it has nothing to do with believing that people are mostly good. As a person who, like I, went through formative years in the military I'm surprised to hear (read) you say (type) that respect must be earned. Respect should be automatic and, outside of a rank structure, disrespect is what needs to be earned. Respect, trust and believing that people are mostly good are generally all qualifiers for how we treat each other. Two sides of the same coin. Maybe I should have stated that trust must be earned but IMO, they go together. Sorry to let you down. This subject it much too deep to delve into on an internet forum but, that's how I've come to see the world. The world is not filled with evil people but, there is temptation and evil within each of us. Too many (to include myself) are guilty of letting that part take the lead. I'll leave it at that. Rams
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2022, 06:16:16 AM » |
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  You've met my wife. Not an evil cell in her body. After 26 years of knowing her, I can't recall one selfish thing she's ever done. Yes, she does for herself, accumulates for herself, takes care of herself, but only after she's finished doing these things for everyone else in her life and then 5 days and 2 nights a week for her patients. I'm not worthy, but she's my ticket into heaven. I support her and try to make life easier for her any way I can so I can ride her coattails because I'm not getting in on my own. I resemble your remarks!
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  We’re splitting hairs here. Since Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden for disobeying Gods command to not eat of the one fruit they allowed sin to enter their lives and every human since. I draw a distinct line between having a sinful nature and being evil. I know I am sinful, even though I live under the umbrella of Gods Grace freely given to all who earnestly seek his will and accept him as their savior. I could be evil, I have very evil thoughts at times, but I’ve had enough time on this earth to realize the error of my ways, repent and ask for forgiveness. Probably enough said by me on the subject. But, are thoughts really evil without action? We are exposed to a GAZILLION pieces of information and data via sight and sound and feeling, etc. How is it humanly possible to take all that in and then be in control of it all when a stimuli invokes a memory or triggers the application of something in way that is "dark" . If one can dismiss those thoughts and not take action on them, then good overcomes. Philosophy 101. never took it.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2022, 06:33:30 AM » |
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  You've met my wife. Not an evil cell in her body. ... I've met your wife. She does seem to be something more than simply human. It's probably not fair to the rest of us to view her by human standards. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2022, 07:25:42 AM » |
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  You've met my wife. Not an evil cell in her body. After 26 years of knowing her, I can't recall one selfish thing she's ever done. Yes, she does for herself, accumulates for herself, takes care of herself, but only after she's finished doing these things for everyone else in her life and then 5 days and 2 nights a week for her patients. I'm not worthy, but she's my ticket into heaven. I support her and try to make life easier for her any way I can so I can ride her coattails because I'm not getting in on my own. I resemble your remarks! Really the premise for this thread. Maybe there are some bad, evil women out there too but it’s our responsibility as men to weed them out and find the diamonds, even if still in the rough or not highly polished. They deserve all the admiration and protection that we can offer.
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  You've met my wife. Not an evil cell in her body. ... I've met your wife. She does seem to be something more than simply human. It's probably not fair to the rest of us to view her by human standards.  I AM the luckiest man, on the face of the oith! 
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I disagree with the O.P. People, selfish human beings, are by nature evil. What we witness by virtue of our "news" media is that some are a lot more evil than others.  You've met my wife. Not an evil cell in her body. ... I've met your wife. She does seem to be something more than simply human. It's probably not fair to the rest of us to view her by human standards.  I AM the luckiest man, on the face of the oith!   That is awesome.
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That IS awesome, and I can see why you think so highly of her...
But others of us also have awesome spouses. I won't be trading in mine anytime soon (6 months out from finishing Endometrial cancer treatments). Her hair on her head is ALMOST as long as mine (and I keep mine as short as I wore it while on Active Duty Navy).
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Kinda fitting here...
If (1895) Rudyard Kipling
If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master; If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
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The way I see it is that goodness is greatly dependent on point of view. From God's point of view there is none good, no, not one.
It's much easier for us to judge goodness by comparing a person to other people. From this perspective there are a lot of good people around.
The danger is when a person feels like they are so good they no longer need God's forgiveness; the free gift of grace for the forgiveness of sin from Jesus Christ the only way to actually be good in the eyes of God.
It's kinda like if the very best pop Warner football player thinking he can graduate the Pee Wee league and go directly to the NFL. Of course, he could never measure up. Just like us. Our very best without Christ is a hot disgusting mess that God could not even look upon. We simply wouldn't make it in God's economy of goodness.
I think it's still important to strive to be the best version of ourselves for the benefit of everyone around, but that has nothing to do with true goodness.
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Yes Gary, you married up, really far up  Jabba (RIP) often opined that all men marry up. I know I did.
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