Another hazard to worry about on the road.

[Psychotic Bovine]

I guess the new 2024 Mustang will have a button on the keyless remote that allows it to rev the engine without being in the car.  Juvenile, but harmless I guess.
Another new feature will be the "performance" parking brake.  The driver can pull the brake handle to help with drifting (normally, the parking brake is not strong enough to slide the car, unless on wet pavement or snow).  What moron at Ford thought this was a good idea to put in a car from the factory?  Yes, I know it can be added as an aftermarket part, but seriously? This is pretty much putting something on the car from the factory that enables you to do illegal maneuvers on the road. 

So, I guess we can get ready to see more of these things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=634sN4uLuEg

Look up the 17 year old who obliterated 6 people in Florida for his Instagram account.  Parents bought him a BMW M5, which he used to make money on Instagram by driving at 170 mph or more.

[da prez]

  The add electronics to make cars stupid proof . B U T  stupid is faster.

                                               da prez

[Psychotic Bovine]

  The add electronics to make cars stupid proof . B U T  stupid is faster.

                                               da prez

True.
I do love the gadgets in my Tacoma.  Mainly the sound system.  But, to actually add something to a car to allow illegal driving is just plain stupid, in my opinion.

[cookiedough]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

[Psychotic Bovine]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

My Tacoma has adaptive cruise control, but I don't know if the brake lights activate when it brakes.  
Something to think about.

edit: I checked some forums and the brake lights are supposed to come on any time the system activates the brakes.

[..]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

Really???

Have you discussed this with the dealer?

If it is the case I'd be reporting this stupidity to every govt agency to do with motor vehicles.

[Moonshot_1]

I've found the most dangerous thing with the adaptive cruise control in your car is driving a different car that doesn't have it.

Ooo boy.

[carolinarider09]

When I first read the "adaptive cruise control" thing I was thinking that it would just back off on the accelerator (you know like letting your foot off the gas).   If the brakes are applied you would think that would activate the brake lights.  

But simply slowing down by easing off on the throttle would not.  

Both ways would work to slow down.  One is just "faster" than the other.  

Another way of looking at it is:  If you were actually "driving" the car and the need to slow down happened would you back off on the throttle first or just hit the brakes?  

[Psychotic Bovine]

When I first read the "adaptive cruise control" thing I was thinking that it would just back off on the accelerator (you know like letting your foot off the gas).   If the brakes are applied you would think that would activate the brake lights.  

But simply slowing down by easing off on the throttle would not.  

Both ways would work to slow down.  One is just "faster" than the other.  

Another way of looking at it is:  If you were actually "driving" the car and the need to slow down happened would you back off on the throttle first or just hit the brakes?  

Mine does both, it will slow down, and if the gap closes too fast, it applies the brakes.  Now, I'm going to have to see if the brake lights come in when it does this.

[cookiedough]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

Really???

Have you discussed this with the dealer?

If it is the case I'd be reporting this stupidity to every govt agency to do with motor vehicles.

yah, called 2 Toyota dealers and they are ignorant on the subject.  If it slows down slowly with adaptive cruise control NO brake lights applied, ONLY if abruptly stopping do the brake lights come on using it.  I have tested it out at night driving following someone using adaptive cruise control.  IMO the brake lights should come on ALL the time, but NO brake pedal is being pushed down using adaptive cruise control and sometimes it seems like slowing down enough for the need to have brake lights come on.

[cookiedough]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

My Tacoma has adaptive cruise control, but I don't know if the brake lights activate when it brakes.  
Something to think about.

edit: I checked some forums and the brake lights are supposed to come on any time the system activates the brakes.

try it out at night when looking thru your rearview side mirrors to see if you can see the brake lights coming on in the dark when using adaptive cruise control.  I bet NOT come on unless VERY HARD slowing down using the nanny electronics. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

my newer tundra has a dangerous safety feature as well.  If you use adaptive cruise control and let the 'system' slow you down if coming upon traffic ahead of you,  the rear brake lights do NOT light up indicating to cars behind you that you are slowing down.  At night, I almost have been hit from behind due to that NOT lighting up the rear brake lights.  Stupid system.  I wonder if all vehicles with adaptive cruise control are like that?

My Tacoma has adaptive cruise control, but I don't know if the brake lights activate when it brakes.  
Something to think about.

edit: I checked some forums and the brake lights are supposed to come on any time the system activates the brakes.

try it out at night when looking thru your rearview side mirrors to see if you can see the brake lights coming on in the dark when using adaptive cruise control.  I bet NOT come on unless VERY HARD slowing down using the nanny electronics. 

I checked it on the way home, following a semi truck.  I intentionally let it brake and the brake lights came on.  My truck is a 2022 Tacoma TRD Sport, not that it makes much of a difference.

[cookiedough]

did it brake HARD or just a slowing down gradually using adaptive cruise control? 

Soon it will be dark by 5 p.m. coming home so will double check but am pretty sure no rear brake lights the few times using adaptive cruise control at night the few times I used it.

[Psychotic Bovine]

did it brake HARD or just a slowing down gradually using adaptive cruise control? 

Soon it will be dark by 5 p.m. coming home so will double check but am pretty sure no rear brake lights the few times using adaptive cruise control at night the few times I used it.

It definitely activated the brakes.  I saw the brake lights light up the road behind me (I replaced the normal bulbs with leds and there is no mistaking when they come on).

[Robert]

Wow 5.0 with a stick or 10 speed auto for 24 that is amazing. They do go into the brake in this full review, and I have seen my share of stupid kids with hot cars so this is not a new problem. But the fact that you will have to lay out some serious money for one and they are brand new not used may slow the ability to acquire one to the older generation.


2024 Ford Mustang: Rev Your Engine Without Setting Foot in the Car

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/research/2024-ford-mustang-rev-your-engine-without-setting-foot-in-the-car/ar-AA12fQXG

Another thought about the drift feature is we dont know what restrictions or safety that they have built in to the software. Being that inventive with GPS and maps they have the ability to not let you drift on a public road. Plus unlike days of the past, they are recording every move the car and you make and replay them so there is no white lie you can tell to get out of the responsibility if something happens.

[Robert]

did it brake HARD or just a slowing down gradually using adaptive cruise control?  

Soon it will be dark by 5 p.m. coming home so will double check but am pretty sure no rear brake lights the few times using adaptive cruise control at night the few times I used it.

Just remember that cars dont work like they used to.

There is essentially no real brake light switch, cars monitor brake pressure and the brake lights are programed to come on at a certain time in many cars and trucks. The ABS monitors, speed at each wheel, yaw and pitch sensors, brake pressure, and even some have acceleration and deaccel sensors. There is no direct link to the brake lights from the brake pedal its all handled by computer monitoring the car systems and talking to other computers in the car.  They are also very much interlinked and will or wont allow certain functions under certain conditions. You essentially dont drive your car you put in a request to do certain things, but a computer decides if that is ok and complies. But at any time the computer can stop any function of driving the car some down to even steering.

If your lights are not coming on all it may take is reprogramming the ABS module to the correct pressure.