young adults nowadays

[cookiedough]

My kid texted us friday 8 pm his 2004 pontiac vibe rear hatch glass got busted by some 19-21 year olds shooting bb guns in walmart parking lot.   Video camera, etc. never caught them but same 3 kids same night got caught nearby shooting bb guns and harrassing young females as well same Friday night, nearby.  Probably same kids.  I guess the county is filing misdeamenor charges on all 3 but that could take several months to even consider getting reimbursed am sure.  Not filing a claim with insurance company since deductible 500 bucks out of pocket first.

called junkyard nearby have a rear hatch glass for 75 bucks going that route and wasting another 75 bucks in gas going up there this weekend to install, or so I hope.    body shop wants near 400 bucks but am sure has 'newer' glass vs. one sitting some 15 years in a junkyard on same 2004 pontiac vibe.

I did find near where kid lives 3 hours north of me a parts guy that wants to sell me ENTIRE rear end, including rear hatch glass,  of a 2004 pontiac vibe for 100 bucks but is gray/silver vs. blue color to match.  He said over phone just wants to get rid of it but what to do with an entire rear of a pontiac vibe different color?  Have it lay around in his yard like a junkyard?   

Calling local junkyard tomorrow to see if they can uninstall the rear glass by Friday and hopefully it works out.  If not, I guess call the guy up there and get the entire rear of a vibe?

Kids nowadays, unreal.  I have all 3 kids names in the police report as well as addresses, etc.  Maybe I should shoot their windows out, if they even own a car?  LOL 

[Ramie]

Not sure with a rear window but here in Minnesota  our comprehensive insurance covers the windshield no deductible.

[da prez]

 N O T what I would call an adult. If it was me , I would try to approach the parents and see what they are like.
 My son got into trouble with two others and got caught. In court , all three got eight hours public service.
 Before final sentencing , I asked for permission to speak.
 I told the judge I was the father on one of them. If you do not give a punishment they will remember , It is wasted time.  He asked me what it should be.  I said a minimum of fourty hours and any money lost.
 So be it said the judge.  They all did their time.

                                               da prez

[Jess from VA]

Juvenile delinquency is not new.

I didn't think a BB gun could break car glass.  Chip, dimple it yes.

[Jersey mike]

Be sure the rear defroster works.

Radio antenna may also be part of rear wiring on glass as well.

Call a local mobile auto glass (not safelight) guy to do the work, probably cheaper unless you have access to the urethane and whatever else might be needed.

[Robert]

Be sure the rear defroster works.

Radio antenna may also be part of rear wiring on glass as well.

Call a local mobile auto glass (not safelight) guy to do the work, probably cheaper unless you have access to the urethane and whatever else might be needed.

 

Definitively less aggravating, along with the suggestions of the auto insurance and or just buying a piece of glass from the junk yard and having the glass company install it.

[Jersey mike]

Juvenile delinquency is not new.

I didn't think a BB gun could break car glass.  Chip, dimple it yes.

With the exception of the windshield, all automotive glass is approximately 1/8” tempered glass, windshields are laminated glass which is 2 pieces of glass (basically regular window glass) bonded together with a strong “vinyl” in between which holds the glass together in the event of impact. The glass will break, run, chip but remain in place protecting the driver and passenger. A windshield with a star chip or even a long run in it is still safe to sit behind, it will not just shatter and fall in on you and are not easy to kick through like shown in movies. It sounds silly but laminated glass is *soft*.

On the flip side, tempered glass is heat treated which gives the glass high impact resistance even though it too is only appx 1/8” but can break. When it does the whole lite breaks into thousands of tiny pieces. Tempered glass can be funny at times, you can beat it with your hands, fists, a rock or hammer or even one of those emergency glass breakers and not break easily. A BB shot close enough and at the right angle will break it. The edges of tempered glass are its real weak point.


I’d touch base with a local mobile automotive glass guy and see what he charges for installation.

I just had the rear glass on daughters ‘03 Hyundai Sonata removed and reinstalled for $175.00 because of a leak and I didn’t want to do it myself, haven’t done auto glass in decades. I have the knowledge and experience but lack the technique, tools and patience anymore. It was well worth the money, the guy was done in about an hour and no leak.

I don’t remember what the back glass looks like on a Pontiac Vibe so can’t tell you much there. You said it was a hatchback. If it has a wiper on it there may be fasteners which go through the glass, be sure not to lose any of those.

[cookiedough]

I called a few auto body/glass shops and rear hatch glass is near 200 bucks and another 150-200 to install, so pushing 400 bucks.  Comprehensive claim still have to pay my 500 deductible so not worth going thru insurance just to raise my rates again, they will, just like the 1 deer collision 5 years ago, no thanks.

going to take chance calling today local junkyard on same 2004 vibe rear window with wiper arm/assembly behind it for plug in defroster for 75 bucks and attempt to do it ourselves this weekend, or so I hope.    Watched a few utube videos and about 8 bolts/clamps holding it in place is about it.  Be nice if the motor/wiper arm works though from the salvage yard along with the defroster, but that is the chance I take I guess for only 75 bucks pretty old 2004 vibe been sitting in salvage yard am sure years.

Our kid has the OEM wiper/motor, etc. from the old broken glass so if need be could try swapping that out as well if do not break the glass since am sure the wiper/motor, etc. bolted onto the OLD glass at the junkyard has been rusted on for a decade or so.

Car is only worth 3K or so but runs o.k. for what it is so not spending 400 bucks if need be.  

2nd alternative is the guy up where kid lives has 2 entire rear hatchbacks metal lift and glass, etc. for only 100 bucks but gray/silver and also require removing the glass assembly on it is all I need.  What to do with the silver or gray back hatch entire piece is a mystery, get rid of at the junkyard for a few bucks of scrape metal?  Is a good deal if need entire rear hatchback of vibe but gray/silver does not match a dark blue vibe color for rest of car....

Those 3 young adults ages 18-20 or so are going to court read the entire police report/court case and sounds like they were drinking underage open beer in car and several semi auto BB guns in chevy trailblazer and harrassed a few women that same night which is how they got caught denying any broken window at Walmart parking lot nearby or shooting the nearby female who was pregnant being hit by a BB near my kid's car, but 1 of the 3 admitted going to Walmart prior in the night.  Sounds like also 1 admitted to the one in front seat firing at my kid's car and breaking the glass, giving in finally.  

Probably if found guilty get the money back, but will be months am sure if they going to court.  

[Jess from VA]

Many states have victim's rights laws.  

Most of them would allow a victim to show up at the defendant's trial/case/court date, and ask for restitution of (provable) damages (in addition to any fine to the state).  Find the prosecutor before court and tell him, or sit in court until the case is called and tell the judge.

You have to show they are the perps of your damages, and you need written proof (estimates for repair) of actual damages.  

A judge's order to pay you X has force of law, and may have consequences for nonpayment.

Even in states without victim's rights laws, a judge may still order restitution, if you are there to argue for it.

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/ocvs/victim-rights/your-statutory-rights-victim
-To restitution as allowed by law.
-To a civil judgment for unpaid restitution.
-To compensation for certain expenses as allowed by law.

Application on line.
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/ocvs/compensation/apply-crime-victim-compensation

[Jersey mike]

I called a few auto body/glass shops and rear hatch glass is near 200 bucks and another 150-200 to install, so pushing 400 bucks.  Comprehensive claim still have to pay my 500 deductible so not worth going thru insurance just to raise my rates again, they will, just like the 1 deer collision 5 years ago, no thanks.

going to take chance calling today local junkyard on same 2004 vibe rear window with wiper arm/assembly behind it for plug in defroster for 75 bucks and attempt to do it ourselves this weekend, or so I hope.    Watched a few utube videos and about 8 bolts/clamps holding it in place is about it.  Be nice if the motor/wiper arm works though from the salvage yard along with the defroster, but that is the chance I take I guess for only 75 bucks pretty old 2004 vibe been sitting in salvage yard am sure years.

Our kid has the OEM wiper/motor, etc. from the old broken glass so if need be could try swapping that out as well if do not break the glass since am sure the wiper/motor, etc. bolted onto the OLD glass at the junkyard has been rusted on for a decade or so.

Car is only worth 3K or so but runs o.k. for what it is so not spending 400 bucks if need be.  

2nd alternative is the guy up where kid lives has 2 entire rear hatchbacks metal lift and glass, etc. for only 100 bucks but gray/silver and also require removing the glass assembly on it is all I need.  What to do with the silver or gray back hatch entire piece is a mystery, get rid of at the junkyard for a few bucks of scrape metal?  Is a good deal if need entire rear hatchback of vibe but gray/silver does not match a dark blue vibe color for rest of car....

Those 3 young adults ages 18-20 or so are going to court read the entire police report/court case and sounds like they were drinking underage open beer in car and several semi auto BB guns in chevy trailblazer and harrassed a few women that same night which is how they got caught denying any broken window at Walmart parking lot nearby or shooting the nearby female who was pregnant being hit by a BB near my kid's car, but 1 of the 3 admitted going to Walmart prior in the night.  Sounds like also 1 admitted to the one in front seat firing at my kid's car and breaking the glass, giving in finally.  

Probably if found guilty get the money back, but will be months am sure if they going to court.  

You’re going to probably need 2 tubes of automotive urethane glass sealant. There’s no need to go down to metal, urethane bonds to urethane. However, there is a technique to keeping a good clean cut. You can use a chisel and go down to metal which means you may need urethane primer also.

Any fasteners which go through the glass are tightened snug/tight only no need to apply torque.

Stay center or just off center (to the inside) with the urethane and don’t lay the bead flat, it needs to be “tall” to grab the glass.

The longer it sits the better for first 24 hrs but typically can be used almost immediately. When done leave at least 1 window in car open at all times even when driving about 1/4” for 24 hrs and no car wash.
Rain is ok but is best without for at least first several hours.

Have some 2” blue painters tape on hand just in case.

If you found videos be sure to watch them repeatedly.

If cold out urethane can be difficult to squeeze out of tube so keep in house until ready to use. You don’t want it hot…it gets real loose and cold it’s difficult to press. Just warm, room temp or on floor of car with heater on.

If it were me I’d get the one from junk yard and ask glass guy to install.

Be careful of the black paint around the perimeter, glass cleaner and some straight razors are your friends. Don’t scratch the paint or go down to pure glass. Just keep the dirt, dust and any lumps off the interior surface.

Good luck and patience is a good thing.

[cookiedough]

Jersey Mike,

the rear top hatch glass of the pontiac vibe is a direct bolt on, no need for adhesive.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haOj7NBYJh8&t=337s

skip the video above to the 2 minute mark to start the process of replacing the glass...

biggest 2 issues of a used junkyard rear glass is does the rear window defroster going to work inside the glass as well as the rear wiper.  I think my kid has the entire wiper assembly once the glass shattered since it fell into the back of the car so maybe can be swapped if need be?   I did look at the junkyard one and know the rear wiper itself is shot ripped badly so that will have to be swapped out at least, should be no biggie doing that.

[Jersey mike]

Jersey Mike,

the rear top hatch glass of the pontiac vibe is a direct bolt on, no need for adhesive.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haOj7NBYJh8&t=337s

skip the video above to the 2 minute mark to start the process of replacing the glass...

biggest 2 issues of a used junkyard rear glass is does the rear window defroster going to work inside the glass as well as the rear wiper.  I think my kid has the entire wiper assembly once the glass shattered since it fell into the back of the car so maybe can be swapped if need be?   I did look at the junkyard one and know the rear wiper itself is shot ripped badly so that will have to be swapped out at least, should be no biggie doing that.

Ok. I remember these, they’re pretty simple and straight forward. Most anyone with some mechanical ability can do this. Just remember any fasteners that go through the glass do not need to a great deal of force when tightening. There should be a rubber, vinyl or plastic spacer/washer that sets against the glass on both sides. Also be sure everything aligns well before tightening down and screws should be centered through the holes and not rubbing against the glass.

As for the defroster, as long as the connections are attached firmly to the back glass and there aren’t any scrapes through any of the lines you should be good to go, it just passes a low voltage current to warm up the glass, almost like a toaster.

You got this, just be patient. 

[cookiedough]

yah, was pretty straightforward and simple, only 12 bolts and a few misc. pieces.  Did take awhile though about 2 hours undoing the bolts and fine shards of crumbly glass left in place around all those bolts and other areas, biggest pain hard to use gloves doing it and got a few slivers/shards of glass in my fingers cleaning it all up first and disassembling the top metal part as well. 

It took about 2 hours to reinstall new junkyard glass but forgot to reconnect the rubber tube to nipple for washer fluid so had to UNDO 8 of the 12 bolts - arghhh!!!!!  Once the glass was on was unable to reach up about 2 inches to slip the rubber washer hose back on fiddled with that for 20 minutes before said arghh,  undo 8 bolts of glass to top part and do it right....

When all done, the glass did NOT lock like it should in the groove so was puzzled on that.  I was like what the F is wrong now.  So, I got lucky and undid 1 turn so not super tight the metal 4 10mm bolts holding the glass piece on the metal hinge on top in the middle.  The bolts coming off originally were not on super tight so figured that might work.  It did, got lucky, by just snug not super tight on those 4 bolts allowing the glass to go down guessing 1mm more to LOCK and UNLOCK with the button inside the old pontiac vibe. 

Cost 80 for glass at junkyard, and 60 for gas plus some double sided tape to hold on old rubber inserts reusing them around the glass area so about 150 bucks vs. around 400 at an auto body/glass shop. 

I told kid let me know when those 3 18ish year olds go to court since if not too busy, take a day off work and ask during court case since they harassed and shot at others that same night, for 300 bucks compensation even if only cost me 150 bucks.  150 labor is cheaper than over 200 at any auto body/glass shop.   Removing those shards of glass all over 8 of 12 bolts was a pain in the butt taking forever, along with cleaning up the concrete in driveway and inside the car all the tiny broken glass pieces.

Kids vibe also saw had 4 nice size BB gun divets in the back metal hatch and 2 of them are pretty deep no paint left on those 4 indents from kids BB guns.    They had to be pretty close to indent the sheet metal of the hatch one would think?   Was not just a knick of paint off on 2 of the 4 BB shots, but halfway or more thru the sheet metal.

[da prez]

Sounds more like a pellet rifle. If it was , the court scenario could change.

                   da prez

[cookiedough]

Sounds more like a pellet rifle. If it was , the court scenario could change.

                   da prez

well,  I got a copy of the police report and sometime future court hearing no idea when.  3 17-19 year olds and they were harassing and shooting at 2 females and following them in a chevy trailblazer.  Luckily,  the 2 young females reported to police and they stopped them and had a LONG talk with police and one admitted to being at Walmart shooting glass out of kid's (mine) vehicle. 

Police did find BB's in the car scattered all over and open beer.  Man,  they be in trouble I hope and get some jail time outta it.

[Jersey mike]

yah, was pretty straightforward and simple, only 12 bolts and a few misc. pieces.  Did take awhile though about 2 hours undoing the bolts and fine shards of crumbly glass left in place around all those bolts and other areas, biggest pain hard to use gloves doing it and got a few slivers/shards of glass in my fingers cleaning it all up first and disassembling the top metal part as well. 

It took about 2 hours to reinstall new junkyard glass but forgot to reconnect the rubber tube to nipple for washer fluid so had to UNDO 8 of the 12 bolts - arghhh!!!!!  Once the glass was on was unable to reach up about 2 inches to slip the rubber washer hose back on fiddled with that for 20 minutes before said arghh,  undo 8 bolts of glass to top part and do it right....

When all done, the glass did NOT lock like it should in the groove so was puzzled on that.  I was like what the F is wrong now.  So, I got lucky and undid 1 turn so not super tight the metal 4 10mm bolts holding the glass piece on the metal hinge on top in the middle.  The bolts coming off originally were not on super tight so figured that might work.  It did, got lucky, by just snug not super tight on those 4 bolts allowing the glass to go down guessing 1mm more to LOCK and UNLOCK with the button inside the old pontiac vibe. 

Cost 80 for glass at junkyard, and 60 for gas plus some double sided tape to hold on old rubber inserts reusing them around the glass area so about 150 bucks vs. around 400 at an auto body/glass shop. 

I told kid let me know when those 3 18ish year olds go to court since if not too busy, take a day off work and ask during court case since they harassed and shot at others that same night, for 300 bucks compensation even if only cost me 150 bucks.  150 labor is cheaper than over 200 at any auto body/glass shop.   Removing those shards of glass all over 8 of 12 bolts was a pain in the butt taking forever, along with cleaning up the concrete in driveway and inside the car all the tiny broken glass pieces.

Kids vibe also saw had 4 nice size BB gun divets in the back metal hatch and 2 of them are pretty deep no paint left on those 4 indents from kids BB guns.    They had to be pretty close to indent the sheet metal of the hatch one would think?   Was not just a knick of paint off on 2 of the 4 BB shots, but halfway or more thru the sheet metal.

Glad this all worked out 

[cookiedough]

still would like to at least get compenstated for my gas and parts 150 bucks or so if nothing else for my time/labor.  Even if age 18,  these punk kids need to be held accountable for their stupidness shooting BB guns not only at vehicles, but human beings as well. 

[Jersey mike]

still would like to at least get compenstated for my gas and parts 150 bucks or so if nothing else for my time/labor.  Even if age 18,  these punk kids need to be held accountable for their stupidness shooting BB guns not only at vehicles, but human beings as well. 

I don’t blame you, however it is a good teaching situation. This is what happens when people have no respect for the property of others. You could possibly get the money for the glass, doubt you would get money for your time. I forget, did you guys file a police report?

[cookiedough]

still would like to at least get compenstated for my gas and parts 150 bucks or so if nothing else for my time/labor.  Even if age 18,  these punk kids need to be held accountable for their stupidness shooting BB guns not only at vehicles, but human beings as well. 

I don’t blame you, however it is a good teaching situation. This is what happens when people have no respect for the property of others. You could possibly get the money for the glass, doubt you would get money for your time. I forget, did you guys file a police report?

Yah, my kid called 911 police and the same deputy who was at the time filing/talking to him got a call on a similar BB gun shooting / females being harrassed at a nearby gas station.  So, the deputy had to leave and go ASAP to the gas station area and that is how they caught the young kids in the trailblazer.    We have an 8 page document listing it all with the kids names.  They just used 1st and last initial of my kid's name along with the 2 females that called the police on them at the gas station nearby.

[cookiedough]

I called the county DA office and lady in charge of the case after looking it up online said I can submit to her before the 12-01 court case on those 3 kids receipts and estimates for repairs.  Judge will probably agree to reimburse me say 200 bucks since estimate of 400 at auto body shops.   80 junkyard glass, 50 in gas cost for me, and a cheap 4 hours of labor for 70 bucks, even though I should ask more like 300 total vs. only 200???  300 bucks is still cheaper than 400 estimate. 

Reading all the 8+ misdeameanor charges on all 3 they did that night and 2K cash bond only,  is a slap on the wrist really for shooting at cars and hitting people and harrassing people with BB guns. 

I fear if I ask 300 though they will be unable to pay me, but 200 is more than fair making a whole 70 bucks for 7 hrs driving time and 4 hours labor all on a Saturday, left 7 a.m. back home 930 p.m..

[DIGGER]

Pretty serious deal.   Nothing teaches a lesson more than having to dig deep and reimburse the victims......and a pop upside the head from Pop.

[da prez]

Ask for more , settle for less.  If you lowball , they may cut it in half. Take in estimates. Create a paper trail.

                                                  da prez

[cookiedough]

Ask for more , settle for less.  If you lowball , they may cut it in half. Take in estimates. Create a paper trail.

                                                  da prez

that is what I did today emailing to DA's office lady the 3 restitution papers for 300 bucks sent to us recently.  80 for glass with receipt,  60 for gas expense, and 160 for time/labor taking me and my wife 4 hours to do a good job plus cleanup of shards of glass all over the back.  160 labor maybe a tad bit high, but realistically is only 40 hr. and know most repair shops would be a near 2 hour job so about right at 160 bucks IMO.  I also submitted 2 pics of big BB gun dents in rear hatch sheet metal of old car which technically should also buy a 10 dollar touch up paint bottle as well, 2 of 5 dents pretty deep and big no paint left on all 5 dents.    Repair estimate from glass shop was 491 bucks so 300 is cheaper doing it myself should be reasonable request.  Court date Dec. 1st am not taking a day off work since lost wages which I could also submit for but not worth that much to me to get a day off work and speak at court case as I could do. 

DA office lady said I nor my son has to speak at the court hearing to get restitution only need to submit receipts and paperwork filled out and signed dated and judge will decide amount on Dec. 1st.  If amount decided much under 300 bucks I have NO FAITH at all in our court systems.  These young adults need to learn a lesson considering both have a rap sheet a mile long. 

If done proper and right,  I could ask to have entire rear hatch repainted and dents removed but on a 4K 18 year old car with 169K miles is not really worth the expense.   I will be happy if kids car goes 220K miles lasting 4-5 more years and then he is on his own for his next vehicle. 

Both my kids VERY soon in next few years need to be on their own for car expenses such as insurance/repair bills and also cell phone expense they are 21 and 24, time to fly the coupe soon on their own since both already are homeowners and not married yet.  If they can afford house payments,  car insurance and cell phones should be easier right?????????  both of course still on our family health insurance until reach age 26.  Kid had hernia surgery in March costing us 3K out of pocket, just nuts what they bill insurance companies nowadays for somewhat simple surgeries owing 20%. 

[Jersey mike]

Ask for more , settle for less.  If you lowball , they may cut it in half. Take in estimates. Create a paper trail.

                                                  da prez

that is what I did today emailing to DA's office lady the 3 restitution papers for 300 bucks sent to us recently.  80 for glass with receipt,  60 for gas expense, and 160 for time/labor taking me and my wife 4 hours to do a good job plus cleanup of shards of glass all over the back.  160 labor maybe a tad bit high, but realistically is only 40 hr. and know most repair shops would be a near 2 hour job so about right at 160 bucks IMO.  I also submitted 2 pics of big BB gun dents in rear hatch sheet metal of old car which technically should also buy a 10 dollar touch up paint bottle as well, 2 of 5 dents pretty deep and big no paint left on all 5 dents.    Repair estimate from glass shop was 491 bucks so 300 is cheaper doing it myself should be reasonable request.  Court date Dec. 1st am not taking a day off work since lost wages which I could also submit for but not worth that much to me to get a day off work and speak at court case as I could do. 

DA office lady said I nor my son has to speak at the court hearing to get restitution only need to submit receipts and paperwork filled out and signed dated and judge will decide amount on Dec. 1st.  If amount decided much under 300 bucks I have NO FAITH at all in our court systems.  These young adults need to learn a lesson considering both have a rap sheet a mile long. 

If done proper and right,  I could ask to have entire rear hatch repainted and dents removed but on a 4K 18 year old car with 169K miles is not really worth the expense.   I will be happy if kids car goes 220K miles lasting 4-5 more years and then he is on his own for his next vehicle. 

Both my kids VERY soon in next few years need to be on their own for car expenses such as insurance/repair bills and also cell phone expense they are 21 and 24, time to fly the coupe soon on their own since both already are homeowners and not married yet.  If they can afford house payments,  car insurance and cell phones should be easier right?????????  both of course still on our family health insurance until reach age 26.  Kid had hernia surgery in March costing us 3K out of pocket, just nuts what they bill insurance companies nowadays for somewhat simple surgeries owing 20%. 

We’re in a similar boat with kids, ours are 26,25 and 22.

We’re still coving some expenses for each including auto insurance, phones, healthcare, car maintenance and repair and their college loans.

Our oldest moved out of state a couple years back and has just transferred off our healthcare and got his through work and is now covering the entire cost of his auto insurance and his car was a hand me down, an ‘02 Camry which was mine. He needed rabies shots 2 years back, came to over $10k if memory serves correct, can’t remember our out of pocket on that.

My 25 yr old daughter lives here at home and she just cost us about $3k to have 2 baby teeth removed and implant studs put in. She had no adult teeth under those baby teeth to fill the spot which we knew  about since she was little getting braces and knew one day we’d need to address this…so we did.

Our youngest is out of state getting her Masters and got a job on campus but we still subsidize her as well on various out of pocket expenses.

One day they’ll all be off and on their own which will seem weird but that’s life.