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Just a heads up, the largest, most powerful rocket ever made is currently sitting on the pad in far south Texas, and they're gonna try (Again, they tried Monday too) to launch it early Thursday morning... I did some research, and the fully stacked booster and Starship on the pad right now are the same ones Kaelynn and I saw being prepped back in October:  Official SpaceX video feed that should go live early tomorrow morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hIAnd NasaSpaceFlight's feed that will have good views as well as unofficial commentary will be here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uouujjgkR3AEdit to add: Launch window is from 8:28 - 9:30 AM CDT 4/20/23... |
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2023, 04:09:35 PM » |
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 Shall try and see if I can watch it. Should be able to.....
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2023, 04:15:56 PM » |
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Very cool. I'm guessing you'll be near the launchpad to watch?
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2023, 04:18:32 PM » |
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Very cool. I'm guessing you'll be near the launchpad to watch?
Oh I wish! Sadly I'm almost 600 miles from Starbase, Texas here in the Dallas Metromess... |
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 04:27:54 PM » |
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Way to go! Proof of American ingenuity and innovation.  |
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2023, 05:59:21 AM » |
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Way to go! Proof of American ingenuity and innovation. Yup.... Once the government gets out of the way!  Light it up on 4/20  Knowing what a prankster Elon is, there was a lot of speculation they might scrub Monday just to land on today's date.... Now let's see if it works! (And for those not retired, don't forget tomorrow, 4/21, is national 'Surprise Drug Test' day...) T-29:00 right now, all go for now... There's a NASA airplane circling off the coast of Texas for some reason... Heh https://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926 |
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2023, 06:20:31 AM » |
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T-00:09:00 and counting!
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2023, 06:32:09 AM » |
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And... On hold!
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2023, 06:42:49 AM » |
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Well, they blew it up. Looked a bit off kilter at launch, not appearing to be a straight up departure...kinda leaning to one side but after a few seconds seemed to correct itself. Back to the drawing board.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 06:43:10 AM » |
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Well, they're learning stuff, anyway. Try, try again!
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 06:52:20 AM » |
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I wonder how much that cost?
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2023, 06:54:18 AM » |
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Technically a success....
The stated goal was to clear the launch tower and not destroy the launch pad.
Stretch goal was to survive Max-Q, which it did...
EARLY analysis looks like a number of the Raptor engines flamed out causing the vehicle to go into some loop de loops, and after a few loops they triggered the FTS (Flight Termination System - basically remotely blow it up before it hurts anyone)
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2023, 07:04:48 AM » |
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Technically a success....
The stated goal was to clear the launch tower and not destroy the launch pad.
Stretch goal was to survive Max-Q, which it did...
EARLY analysis looks like a number of the Raptor engines flamed out causing the vehicle to go into some loop de loops, and after a few loops they triggered the FTS (Flight Termination System - basically remotely blow it up before it hurts anyone)
I understand that. I'd still like to know the cost involved. I'm sure we get a better ROI on this than we do just handing out money to countries that wish us harm. |
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2023, 07:18:59 AM » |
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Technically a success....
The stated goal was to clear the launch tower and not destroy the launch pad.
Stretch goal was to survive Max-Q, which it did...
EARLY analysis looks like a number of the Raptor engines flamed out causing the vehicle to go into some loop de loops, and after a few loops they triggered the FTS (Flight Termination System - basically remotely blow it up before it hurts anyone)
I understand that. I'd still like to know the cost involved. I'm sure we get a better ROI on this than we do just handing out money to countries that wish us harm. Although SpaceX does have government contracts to do certain things the development of Starship is being managed, built, and paid for by the private company SpaceX, not NASA or the government... I.E. This is the result of a very rich man building his own personal fireworks, not government blowing tax money on $3000 hammers and such... Having said that, back in 2019 Elon estimated the cost of developing Starship to be between $2 and $10 billion all the way through, although his estimates tend to be rather..... off... Part of the goal of SpaceX is to reduce the cost of going to space by several orders of magnitude, and with Falcon 9 they've done that, and now looking to scale that up to Starship. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2023, 07:25:12 AM » |
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EARLY analysis looks like a number of the Raptor engines flamed out
Right before the bad thing happened you could see all the engines. All the ones
that were going. It seemed like several were out, I expected the ring of
engines to be symmetrical.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2023, 07:44:54 AM » |
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10 million pounds of methane and oxygen. Better not get rid of the cows.
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2023, 09:05:14 AM » |
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I understand that. I'd still like to know the cost involved. I'm sure we get a better ROI on this than we do just handing out money to countries that wish us harm.
Setting the bar pretty low there...  While I can't know the cost of todays RUD ( "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly  ) I can tell you the official number on NASA vehicles is around $95M per launch and SpaceX Falcon 9 is around $64M per launch (and rising) SpaceX Heavy Launch is around $94M per launch Rocket Lab is working on a Neutron Rocket aiming for a cost around $55M per launch vehicle but they have yet to achieve this. SpaceX, Rocket Lab, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin and the others in this space race are all privately funded and are not restrained by the same safety limits and political influences as NASA is forced to work under. This is a dramatic advantage but it's still really tough to build a "perfect rocket" every single time. NASA's biggest problem is too many politicians trying to influence a scientific & engineering project to achieve woke political ends. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2023, 10:24:45 AM » |
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I caught the replay of the launch and as always I was amazed. The commentators said anything after clearing the tower was considered icing on the cake, so once again Musk (and company) is pushing the boundaries. The eruption of cheers from the audience/those in attendance was fantastic.
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2023, 10:25:40 AM » |
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Just to be clear, I'm not asking about cost because it is a waste of money, it's really like to understand what Musk is forking out here. I don't consider today's launch a failure, far from it. I'm glad the government isn't running this show. I hope the huge expenditure pays off for Musk.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2023, 07:20:26 PM » |
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Just to be clear, I'm not asking about cost because it is a waste of money, it's really like to understand what Musk is forking out here. I don't consider today's launch a failure, far from it. I'm glad the government isn't running this show. I hope the huge expenditure pays off for Musk.
It's amazing how difficult it is to find this information out... Been searching around did find this: The fuel ALONE (Liquified Oxygen and Methane), using open market prices, would have been just shy of a million dollars. But at this point it's not about the money (Gotta admire his work ethic, he could EASILY buy a private tropical island and build his own paradise on it, instead he works his ass off.) Everything he does is about one goal - making humanity an inter-planetary species... |
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2023, 08:30:49 PM » |
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Its only a failure if they didn't learn anything from it.
Years ago I read Robert Goddard's book. His wife published it after his death based on his shop notes when he was developing the first liquid fueled rocket. He knew the physics, but the mechanics had to be developed (this was back in the 20's). His notes were methodical. He was using gasoline and liquid oxygen for the propellants. The beauty of that was that you didn't need an ignition source. The danger was that you didn't need an ignition source. Early on, each test pretty much ended up with the rocket blowing up on the ground, but he would reassemble all the pieces and determine the cause of failure. He'd rebuild it correcting the previous problem and try it again. Then when it blew up it would be for a different cause that he would subsequently correct and this went on and on. On one of the tests, he was ecstatic when it didn't blow up until it was a couple feet in the air.
He went on to develop the first successful liquid fuel rockets and held over 200 patents relating to rocketry. He took it to the US Army but they weren't interested. The German army however was very interested and closely followed his accomplishments.
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2023, 05:10:50 AM » |
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A good friend of my son is the brother on Musk's ex-wife. He said his children are just as brilliant as Elon is, but they are sort of strange. He didn't go into specifics, but said the holidays at the Musk house(houses), are very different. I don't mean that in an insulting way.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2023, 01:59:11 PM » |
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I've never before heard the phrase "Rapid unscheduled disassembly" before. I shall be using it at proper and appropriate times from now on.
Gawd that was funny.
That alone was success right there.
But we all know it exploded because it hit the glass dome over the flat earth.
Everyone knows that.
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2023, 02:31:46 PM » |
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Yeowch! Seems it was a bit more destructive than they were planning for... Photo of the launch pad post-launch:   |
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2023, 03:06:54 PM » |
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Yeowch! Seems it was a bit more destructive than they were planning for... Photo of the launch pad post-launch:  Well, at least they didn't have an on ground RUD. |
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2023, 01:30:55 PM » |
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2023, 06:05:07 AM » |
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Here’s some more, I don’t know who the narrator is or his qualifications but the video is awesome. Apparently when they tested the rocket firing in a static test they only went 1/2 throttle and the launch pad held up but this rocket is huge and the engines blew right through that launch pad. I think they’re gonna need a bigger boat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdxhN9wV4jM |
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2023, 12:21:08 PM » |
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If they can rebuild that launch pad in 3 months I will be amazed and impressed, anything less than that and I will be very distrusting of the result!
I love that Musk is doing this stuff, he's innovative and going for gold. However, I know several people in the industry who are not impressed with the way they cut some safety corners, and burn through staff members, which will likely result in some more of these RUD's. It's his money to blow up if he wants to.
That said, I hope he gets that all sorted before he puts people on board.
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2023, 12:23:13 PM » |
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I don't think Elon will be reckless with peoples lives on the line.
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Here’s some more, I don’t know who the narrator is or his qualifications but the video is awesome. Apparently when they tested the rocket firing in a static test they only went 1/2 throttle and the launch pad held up but this rocket is huge and the engines blew right through that launch pad. I think they’re gonna need a bigger boat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdxhN9wV4jMThanks for that link. |
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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2023, 07:59:42 AM » |
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I don't think Elon will be reckless with peoples lives on the line.
I certainly hope not, he's got a generally good reputation and he's got some great people working for him. But he's not the only one driving the bus, some of those who work for him have less stringent standards(reportedly) and have been willing to cut corners to get the projects done on time. It's a really tough business and they are working to some very tight timelines, but I don't understand why they are quite so tight. People under too much pressure tend to make mistakes, in this business those mistakes tend to be very visible and very expensive. So for everyone's sake, I hope that doesn't happen, or if it does, that it's only money that gets wasted. |
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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2023, 10:56:27 AM » |
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If they can rebuild that launch pad in 3 months I will be amazed and impressed, anything less than that and I will be very distrusting of the result!
I love that Musk is doing this stuff, he's innovative and going for gold. However, I know several people in the industry who are not impressed with the way they cut some safety corners, and burn through staff members, which will likely result in some more of these RUD's. It's his money to blow up if he wants to.
That said, I hope he gets that all sorted before he puts people on board.
From what I heard the day of and after the launch was that the primary goal of the launch was to just clear the launch pad. Everything else after clearing the launch pad was bonus points, icing on the cake for them. Sure they intentionally aborted the flight but gained a lot of extra telemetry info regarding the flight of the rocket. |
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2023, 01:40:57 PM » |
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An interesting synopsis of the launch I found. I don’t know the qualifications of the person doing the review but he gets into some good detail with good still shots from all the available video. Almost 14 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgxd4phK8eY |
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Test launch #4 (hopefully) going up in about half an hour... Official live video feed: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OwxWYzDXjWGQVery good unofficial video feed for your other monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTkhv4fvOgA |
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