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« on: January 31, 2010, 03:12:53 PM » |
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Is it just me or does it seem like this is close...$ 100= 1 HP
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Patrick
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 04:10:24 PM » |
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That kinda sorta used to be the number.. I think its changed a bit over the years.. They also used to say that for every 100# you could lose you'd pick up a 1/10 of a second in the quarter.. This makes for a vicious cycle because I'm certainly not losing any weight as the years roll by..
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 04:23:02 PM » |
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I dont know. I musta got a bargin when I picked up a 16 hp mower for $200!  |
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 04:35:05 PM » |
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hahahah... 100 lb , i hear ya, one would think 100lb on a bike could be a full second lol!!  I have not ran this bike down the Quarter, i have a friend that is 5'4 125 lb he will be the one to do it, hey...it aint about me its about the bike right! I m 6'2 255 and the wife just made chocolate chip cookies lol !! the way things are going gonna have to buy a Big Block Boss Hoss. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 04:39:48 PM » |
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Fudgie..... lawnmower ? i am still thinkin Snowblower up here. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 04:47:01 PM » |
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Fudgie..... lawnmower ? i am still thinkin Snowblower up here. So is fudgie, he doesn't know the difference yet. Kit hasn't told him. LOL |
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 05:55:35 PM » |
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Fudgie..... lawnmower ? i am still thinkin Snowblower up here. So is fudgie, he doesn't know the difference yet. Kit hasn't told him. LOL Well she hates the thing for some reason.  Its my plow b!tch. Bought it without a mover deck and added my plow blade to the front. Takes a little over a 1 1/2 hrs to plow the drive. Beats a shovel! Grade the drive in the summer. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 06:08:06 PM » |
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16 HP, that would be $12.50 per 1 HP , i need a friggin front loader to do my drive.  |
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 03:25:54 AM » |
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I use a front loader for my drive and its really been used this winter.. I was trying to wait until next autumn to replace the tires on the truck but the way this winter is going I'll start looking for new ones today.. 20's aren't cheap.. This thread is starting off in a different direction already..
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 07:38:16 AM » |
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Thanks, thats what i was thinking when i posted this, i didn't see Tim's post, but thought of the cost of my Magnacharger = HP and thought the same thing  When i used to race Boats it was the 100 dollar rule for every 1 mile per hr faster. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 07:49:04 AM » |
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Tim's chart does not take into account taxes or inflation, which would add to the cost today! If you look the ratios, however, I think at todays prices you can still figure out what mods are most cost effective. If you are just looking at fun factor, cost plays a smaller role. Just rying to keep the thread going. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 08:26:50 AM » |
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I have always thought that the supercharger was the answer to more power for the Valkyrie.
For $3-5 K I can make the Valk more comfortable and faster than a Concourse 14.
I already have RaceTech front susupension and 440's in back. This is the only piece that the 14 may do better than a blown Valk.
Just my opinion
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 12:22:27 PM » |
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Guess I'm throwin a wrench into the machine here, but
was there a vrcc member last year who had a Supercharger,
he blew up some pistons because he had the pressure a tad high?
I remember that post, busted pistons. Is it a good idea
to reinforce the pistons and arms, maybe more, before the
Supercharger upgrade. If so, what does that do
to the $/HP?
I remember another article saying that if you are concerned about
protecting your OE powertrain, then keep your Supercharger
to about 4 to 6 psi.
With so little extra atmosphere, is the S-charger worth it?
An opinion please.
I'm asking the question to decide if I wanna do the S-charger,
someday soon.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 02:42:02 PM » |
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The published dry weight of my Valk is 714 lbs. Add in gas, oil, coolant, extra chrome, extra crap in my the bikes saddlebags, and the bike is probably 770-790 lbs. - lets call it 780 lbs. Adding me and my protective gear brings it up to about 980 lbs. The Valk has about 98 HP or so at the crank, so it works out to about 10 lbs. per HP. The way I figure it, if I cut out desserts and eat a healthy supper, make more use of my gym membership, and clean out my saddlebags, I should be able to gain the equivalent of 3 or 4 horsepower! The side benefit is I'll also be better looking and have more energy, which means a better chance of getting a promotion. This leads to more money, with which I can buy a supercharger!  Now if the average Valk rider weighs 240 lbs and his passenger 170 lbs (I've seen lots of Valk rider photos on this site and I think I'm being generous here  ), think of all the potential horsepower gain there is in Valkdom! |
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 03:24:01 PM » |
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Now if the average Valk rider weighs 240 lbs and his passenger 170 lbs (I've seen lots of Valk rider photos on this site and I think I'm being generous here ) Just what are you trying to say GR?  Marty |
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2010, 05:43:48 PM » |
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csj,, 4-6 psi is a lot, well, quite a bit anyway.. anytime you start adding pressure to the backside an intake valve you get a substantial gain..I believe the magna charger kits came with pulleys which make about 5 psi.. Some of the fellas over drive the charger for a few more pounds.. I still think the stock piston problem concerns manifold baffling as the failures seemed to be on the 'low' side,but, I'd still need to look at one to confirm that..The guys that use those 'huffers' would know more..But, your right in that replacing the pistons is some kind of expensive!!
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 07:40:50 PM » |
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The second generation one piece Blower manifold is open plenum no baffles. no obstruction, My thoughts are that the CV carb that most run is a POS, i had used it for about 90 days and found that it would ping LOUD no matter how much i set my timing retard, Detonation seems to be what has been breaking the ring glands from the reports i have seen here, i have a hobs switch hooked up to my intake vacuum and is set @ 4 lb at that point it kicks the timing back 4* Most of all you cannot run these lean at all, all things said i do know of members that have over 80 thousand + miles on their Blowers and are not breaking parts, i guess it depends on a lot of things, 6 years and having lots of fun, they are not for everyone, i would think you should have the hot rod bug and understand the good bad and ugly of horsepower, and have the attitude that if it breaks make it faster and better.  |
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 09:33:28 AM » |
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OK fstsix,, makes sense.. Your the first of all I have asked to state that there is no baffling.. I thought everyone was retarding the fire ,, maybe some weren't.. I always kinda thought the piston damage[ because it seemed to appear on the same side] was a bit of everything, unequal runner pressure causing fuel mix problems coupled with ignition settings.. Moderate to severe detonation, regardless of what causes it, can certainly cause a lot of damage.. I like blowers, been using them for 40+ years.. Put one on my first car and haven't stopped.. As you know,When set up correctly/moderately they are very reliable..
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 09:58:19 AM » |
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sorry about the slow response, my ADD kicks in more often than it used to lol!!. just wanted to add a note, If we could fit a inter cooler on this App, it would cool the intake charge, and we would see some awesome Hp numbers like no one has seen yet, it would also help the detonation problem, i also run a very large Oil cooler to help keep cylinder temps down, i try to stay off the throttle if my oil temp goes beyond 200* degrees, and i will say this bike is Baddest the first 30 minutes before the blower heats up, after that it is still awesome compared to stock. i have myself had turbo sandrails and NOS on my 1984 Monte SS and have had MSD timing retard on it, with cast pistons and it never broke. Should have!!! lol!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2010, 02:43:11 PM » |
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My guess is on blown valks the reason why most ring lans break is heat related. I think Fast6 is right don't twist up a 4 or 5 lb boosted blown valk when the oil temp is over about 200 or you are asking for problems.
ON the cost for HP it depends on if you turn your own wrench or not? and what kind of HP increase you are looking for? N20 for example my 40hp of juice cost me less than $100 per hp, but my blower upgrade was way more than $100 per hp if I include all the dyno tuning time, ST exhaust upgrade, suspension upgrades to better handle the extra power, port matching costs, ignition upgrade, carb rework, gauge package to better monitor everything, etc etc?
Last but not least lose some weight for free hp and beware of sport bikes they got the weight and hp ratios really figured out.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2010, 07:34:17 AM » |
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On the chart it shows a VMC exhaust. I'm not familar with VMC. Can anyone point me towards a web site for VMC ? |
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2010, 07:48:18 AM » |
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On the chart it shows a VMC exhaust. I'm not familar with VMC. Can anyone point me towards a web site for VMC ? VMC went out of business a few years ago. Viking Motorcycle Company. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2010, 07:59:15 AM » |
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Does 2Bro's still make the 6-2 pipes? All I've been able to find are the 6-6 pipes...
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2010, 08:41:09 AM » |
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Two Bros, good choice, Willow may chime in, i think he has the Two bros, or had them.
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2010, 10:54:18 AM » |
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VMC went out of business a few years ago. Viking Motorcycle Company.
I still talk to the guys occasionally, I had dinner with Justin the other night. I would think that if there was enough interest in a run of pipes they might be willing to do a run. Hey, Rivco does a run of parts now and then. Surely if we pushed hard enough they might build some. Even if Viking is gone I'm sure the ability to build pipes is still there. I told them that they should have made the option for screw on packs, just a set of headers with DIY mufflers. They were afraid that performance would not be as good as a tuned set. But that is what I'm running. I made adapters so I can run packs and stacks. I need turnout stacks and they couldn't make them, so I did. |
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2010, 11:00:55 AM » |
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On the 3 Valks I had a stocker with 2 bros 6 pipe lost about 7hp, the other stocker I did not dyno but my butt dyno told me it went a bit better with VMC pipes.
My blower bike has SuperTrapps they were worth about an extra +10hp with 12 discs per side and snuffer-not adjustable end caps opened up.
SuperTrapp due to the adjustability for back pressure is the highest performance exhaust available for a Valk in my experience.
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2010, 11:07:03 AM » |
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I'm not so much interested in gaining or losing 3 or 5 hp... I'd like the sound... I think the big 6-2 pipes sound the best (IMHO). In the meantime... anyone know how long of a drill bit you need for the first baffles? My computer and my Valk aren't in the same spot (Dag!).
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2010, 11:14:28 AM » |
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On the 3 Valks I had a stocker with 2 bros 6 pipe lost about 7hp, the other stocker I did not dyno but my butt dyno told me it went a bit better with VMC pipes.
My blower bike has SuperTrapps they were worth about an extra +10hp with 12 discs per side and snuffer-not adjustable end caps opened up.
SuperTrapp due to the adjustability for back pressure is the highest performance exhaust available for a Valk in my experience.
Yeah, I believe that could be true but I never really liked the looks, and again, I need turnouts. When towing my trailer the fumes come back at me and choke me out with straight pipes. |
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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2010, 11:31:31 AM » |
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Does 2Bro's still make the 6-2 pipes? All I've been able to find are the 6-6 pipes... I believe TBR no longer makes any Valkyrie pipes.
I have a set of 6X2 and a 6X6. The 6 into 2 (cannisters) are very quiet, almost as much so as stock. They do come with a crossover pipe.
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