Cause for concern??? I'm not much of a fan of Hannity

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Terrorist Cells - TRAINING CAMPS in AMERICA - actual video	powered by Aeva

[big turkey]

Political Correctness will get you killed here in America.

You can't mention Jesus anywhwere on Government Owned or rather in a public gathering like a High School. But you can have Muslims, Budhists, etc. and wear and do about anything and the Government will holler free speech and the constitution protects you.

Unless you start talking about Jesus, then they will raise, pardon me, mortal hell.

We are a backwards politically correct bunch of morons. I mean not all of us just our SPINELESS LEADERS.

This video almost makes me sick to my stoumach.

But we could always ride our motorsicles down there and check them out sometime.

Even a bunch of American Made Valkyries, so there it is, motorcycle related. Check out the Road Sign.

Homegrown Jihad	powered by Aeva

[big turkey]

I Big Al am looking for bunch of Jesus believing, morally Just, Earnhardt Sr. Fans..

Meet this July 4th at this traing camp in Georgia, and yes leave your firearms at home.

Bring your cameras though, casue Big AL will personally and by myself will walk up to the gates of this

facility and place an American Flag across the road and pray aloud to our Heavenly Father to put an end

to these hate mongering, morally corrupt perversion of humanity.

Remember the guy on that Steet Sign was partly responsible for cutting Pearl's Head off slowly with a

hunting knife while he screamed for his life.

They are animals and mad men nothing else.

So join me or I will simply go by myself, no big deal because I am fearless in front of these cowards.

[big turkey]

Thanks Britman, cause I was wondering why God was letting me hang around with all the crazy stunts I pull.

Now I have a mission.

Thanks

Big Al

[JimC]

Britman,
I have seen the video before, it is scarry stuff, and I hope the US security forces are aware and watching them.
What I don't understand is your statement about not caring for Hannity?
Is it because he exposes what the liberal press is afraid to do because of political correctness?
Jimc
 

[Chrisj CMA]

I Big Al am looking for bunch of Jesus believing, morally Just, Earnhardt Sr. Fans..

Meet this July 4th at this traing camp in Georgia, and yes leave your firearms at home.

Bring your cameras though, casue Big AL will personally and by myself will walk up to the gates of this

facility and place an American Flag across the road and pray aloud to our Heavenly Father to put an end

to these hate mongering, morally corrupt perversion of humanity.

Remember the guy on that Steet Sign was partly responsible for cutting Pearl's Head off slowly with a

hunting knife while he screamed for his life.

They are animals and mad men nothing else.

So join me or I will simply go by myself, no big deal because I am fearless in front of these cowards.

I, for one would love to go with you AL.....seriously!

[big turkey]

Thanks Chris.

I think I got the state wrong, but I will get involved in this and find the time and the place out.

Stay Tuned.

Big AL

[asfltdncr]

The cause for concern IS why some of you were sitting home listening to this getting pissed off without questioning the station's ethics for running the story without any confirmation of this story.  OR....just woundering, "Does this christian.org organization have an agenda of their own" or.."I wounder if they'll make money on their documentary and where will that money go".

Let's get something clear.No matter whether it's FOX or MSNBC, they are trying to fill/kill 24 hours of scheduling so they will introduce any horse*&#@ to their viewers(their viewing surveys are probably like "cookies" are to the Internet).This goes for financial programs as well.They are there to sell advertisement time and for FOX, christian-right sells.For MSNBC-more liberal and less god.
None of these clowns or their shows content have the credibility of a Walter Cronkite in the day.
I think the news used to be sponsored by other programming of the station and therefore, the stations didn't have to compete.There was probably two hours of news programming per day in the 60's when I remember Walter-the news was something you could count on.

Careful you guys

[..]

Britman,
I have seen the video before, it is scarry stuff, and I hope the US security forces are aware and watching them.
What I don't understand is your statement about not caring for Hannity?
Is it because he exposes what the liberal press is afraid to do because of political correctness?
Jimc
 

I'm not a liberal. He gets too hysterical for me and I find his form of rhetoric to be very divisive. Along with that his form of discussion with callers to his radio show is one of brow beating and demeaning. He will take one word from a callers statement and hammer, hammer, hammer on it completely avoiding the staement the caller made.

Lush Windbag annoys me as well.

[..]

The cause for concern IS why some of you were sitting home listening to this getting pissed off without questioning the station's ethics for running the story without any confirmation of this story.  OR....just woundering, "Does this christian.org organization have an agenda of their own" or.."I wounder if they'll make money on their documentary and where will that money go".

Let's get something clear.No matter whether it's FOX or MSNBC, they are trying to fill/kill 24 hours of scheduling so they will introduce any horse*&#@ to their viewers(their viewing surveys are probably like "cookies" are to the Internet).This goes for financial programs as well.They are there to sell advertisement time and for FOX, christian-right sells.For MSNBC-more liberal and less god.
None of these clowns or their shows content have the credibility of a Walter Cronkite in the day.
I think the news used to be sponsored by other programming of the station and therefore, the stations didn't have to compete.There was probably two hours of news programming per day in the 60's when I remember Walter-the news was something you could count on.

Careful you guys

I agree.

[Charlie]

Britman,
I have seen the video before, it is scarry stuff, and I hope the US security forces are aware and watching them.
What I don't understand is your statement about not caring for Hannity?
Is it because he exposes what the liberal press is afraid to do because of political correctness?
Jimc
 

I'm not a liberal. He gets too hysterical for me and I find his form of rhetoric to be very divisive. Along with that his form of discussion with callers to his radio show is one of brow beating and demeaning. He will take one word from a callers statement and hammer, hammer, hammer on it completely avoiding the staement the caller made.

Lush Windbag annoys me as well.

Agree agree.  Both use tactics with the intent to incite, regardless of validity or real facts.  IMHO Real Christians know these two will get their just on judgement day, just as the Jihads will get theirs.  Please note I said "in my humble opinion".  It is what I believe only.

[f6john]

      I don't watch Fox or MSNBC and for no reason in particular. But I am also a big believer in common sense and common sense tells me that this report is believable enough to warrant some concern. I'm also sold on the fact that where there is smoke there is/has been a fire. Now who set the fire?

[X Ring]

I Big Al am looking for bunch of Jesus believing, morally Just, Earnhardt Sr. Fans..

Meet this July 4th at this traing camp in Georgia, and yes leave your firearms at home.

Bring your cameras though, casue Big AL will personally and by myself will walk up to the gates of this

facility and place an American Flag across the road and pray aloud to our Heavenly Father to put an end

to these hate mongering, morally corrupt perversion of humanity.

Remember the guy on that Steet Sign was partly responsible for cutting Pearl's Head off slowly with a

hunting knife while he screamed for his life.

They are animals and mad men nothing else.

So join me or I will simply go by myself, no big deal because I am fearless in front of these cowards.

I, for one would love to go with you AL.....seriously!

And I've got ChrisJ's back.

Marty

[fstsix]

The cause for concern? (Fox is controlled opposition) PERIOD!! Walter Cronkite? WAKE UP!!! what a Joke Not even close!! fox is candy coating what we should really see, as far as the Mainstream straight left wing, including the AP (Affiliated Depressed) Fox at least gets a little out. there is way more hard core Constitutional radio than fox. 'fox is to easy on the Liberals'. and this can be backed up by PHD's.

In this light, it makes no sense whatsoever for the West to be disarming while Islam is arming. While we are dismantling our missiles and nuclear warheads, Islamic nations are buying and building intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of showering nuclear death on any city in Europe or America.

We stand in some ways like those few brave Americans and Europeans who just before World War II warned people of the Nazi threat to world peace. They took the rhetoric of Hitler at face value and saw the buildup of war and terrorism across the world. While others dismissed Hitler and his 'brown shirts' as buffoons, a few people sounded the alarm. Sad to say, their warnings were ignored. "Peace in our time" was Chamberlain's swan song and the world was lulled to sleep while the Third Reich armed itself for war.

The Same Today

We are in much the same situation today. The Muslim threat to the peace and security of America is as real as was the threat of Nazism and Communism. If God does not intervene, the day will come when a mushroom cloud will appear over a major American city signaling death and destruction unparalleled in U.S. history.

The apostle Paul warned us that if the trumpet is not blown loud and clear, the people will not prepare for war (1 Corinthians 14-8). Ezekiel tells us that we are watchmen who have the responsibility to warn the city of an approaching army of death and destruction. If we fail to warn people of the coming war with Islam, their blood will be on our hands (Ezekiel 33:1-6).

In order to convince people that Islam constitutes a clear and present danger to the peace of the world, we must first demonstrate that Islam has the will and the desire to destroy us and, second, that they now have the means to do so.

I. The Muslims Have The Will And Desire To Destroy Us.

The Qur'an commands its followers to launch jihads or holy wars of conquest to force conversions to Islam.

    Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. (Surah IX:5)

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), (even if they are people of the Book), until they pay the tax with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah IX:29)

    Seize them and slay them wherever you find them. (Surah IV:89,91)

At the beginning, Muhammad's armies attacked defenseless caravans during times of truce and peace. He then sent out his armies to conquer and loot small villages. Cities were later put under the sword. Ultimately, entire nations fell to the sword of Islam. Entire populations were slaughtered and great cultural treasures were either looted or destroyed. (For the documentation: see the book The Islamic Invasion, Harvest House, Eugene, OR)

Whereas Jesus told his disciples to put away their swords, Muhammad commanded his followers make war in his name. Recorded in the Hadith, the second most important duty in Islam according to Muhammad, is Jihad or Holy War.

The blood lust of Islam is thus rooted in a perverted religious impulse to kill and mutilate in the name of Allah. This is what makes it so insidious and wicked. The killing of innocent men, women, and children in the name of Islam becomes a thing of praise and a badge of honor. The more you kill, the more Allah is honored. The greater the destruction, the greater the glory of Islam. Listen carefully to what the most influential leaders of Islam have said.

    "We are at war against infidels. Take this message with you, 'I ask all Islamic nations, all Muslims, all Islamic armies, and all heads of Islamic states to join the Holy War. There are many enemies to be killed or destroyed. Jihad must triumph...Muslims have no alternative... to an armed Holy War against profane governments... Holy War means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories... It will... be the duty of every able bodied adult male to volunteer for this war of conquest, the final aim of which is to put Koranic law in power from one end of the earth to the other.'" - Ayatollah Khomeini , "The U.S. is the devil on this planet." World Islamic Popular Command

    "Death to America, the Great Satan!" - Muslim mobs in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.

    "Muslims must kill the enemies of Allah, in every way and everywhere in order to liberate themselves from the grandchildren of the pigs and apes who are educated at the table of the Zionists, the Communists, and the Imperialists."
    - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "Any doubt about the need to struggle against the U.S. means being enslaved by the Great Satan, and losing the honor and the life the Islamic Revolution has brought to this country and the whole Islamic Ummah." - Ali Akbar Mohtashemi

    "It is a matter of time... In 10 years you will have quite a number of countries united under the banner of Islamic fundamentalism." - Hassan al-Turabi

    "There is fury, fury everywhere ... Islam is escalating and cannot be resisted. I pray that Allah may tear apart America just as the Soviet Union was torn apart ..." - Sheik al-Tamimi

    " wanted to topple one [tower] into the other and kill thousands to send a message to American that they were at war." - Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the blowing up of the World Trade Center

Lest you think that these statements are just a lot of wind and noise, come with me to the World Trade Center in New York City which was blown up by the disciples of Sheik Omar. Come with me to the crash sites of airplanes that were blown out of the air by Muslims. Visit the grave sites of American citizens killed by Muslim terrorists in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait.

In Washington DC, Muslims entered a home to kill everyone they found in the house. They took a nine-day-old baby boy and drowned him in the sink. They shot in the head his ten-year-old brother, his 23-year-old sister, his 25-year-old brother, and their mother.

What can we say about the slaughter of thousands of innocent Christians in Egypt, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, and Malaysia? World War III has already begun and most Americans do not know it.

II. The Muslims have the means as well as the will to destroy us.

Islamic fundamentalists plan on putting together an Islamic empire composed of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria, the former Muslim Soviet states such as Uzbekistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, and other Muslim nations in Asia.

Their plan is on schedule and they are taking over country after country while the West sleeps securely with its naive dreams of endless peace and prosperity of a new world order called the Pax Americana.

Listen to politicians and other leaders trying to wake up America.

    "The trial and subsequent conviction of the terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center and planned other terrorist acts should put to rest any doubt about the deadly threat to American citizens posed by radical extremists." - Henry Depippo, Federal Prosecutor of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "Each day's headlines demonstrate the timeliness this important analysis of the emerging trans-national radical Islamic movement... and the growing danger that extremist Islamic elements may seek to exploit our present vulnerability to missile attack with devastating results." - Frank Gaffney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security

    "The agenda of these people is to attack us for what we are... It's something very hard for Americans who live in a multi-cultured and secular society to understand." - L. Paul Bremer, former head of the counter terrorism office for the State Department

    "[Muslim fundamentalists] make no secret of their contempt for democratic political procedures." - Bernard Lewis, noted Middle East scholar

    "The public must always remain vigilant against acts of terrorism to ensure that terrorism does not become commonplace in this country as it has in many other countries."
    - William Sessions, former Director of the FBI

    "Today we have no protection from even a single ballistic missile." - Ambassador Henry F. Cooper

    "In short, the coming Islamic Empire will be a world power in every sense of the word, whose people will share a vibrant religion and a common Islamic culture. Like its Muslim predecessors, the Islamic Empire of the early 21st Century will also have an appetite for territorial expansion and military conquest. A modern, worldwide jihad against non-Muslim populations and societies complete with nuclear weapons promises to bring the highest casualty rates in the history of mankind. World War III, if it does come, will probably occur between the Islamic Bloc and the Western nations. It will be the deadliest war ever fought by humanity." - Anthony Dennis

    "Islamic fundamentalism, like communism... is bent on the expansion of its dominion to as many corners of the world as possible." Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

    "It doesn't matter what they tell you - Islamic fundamentalism is a worldwide menace... Allah is rapidly equipping Khomeini's followers with a sword to carry out their master's wishes. He has offered Islam the fire in which the Koran says those who follow false faiths are destined to burn: nuclear weaponry. He has also provided the long-range missiles needed to use it. According to the late Imam's logic, there may be only one just and righteous thing to do: employ this technology to wipe out recalcitrant heathens like you and me." - Howard Bloom

With the break up of the Soviet military complex, the Muslims have been able to buy intercontinental ballistic missiles that are capable of striking anywhere on the planet. They have nuclear bombs that can fit into a steamer trunk and it is feared that such a device may already be in this country. There is a real danger that we will one day face nuclear blackmail just as we faced Arab oil blackmail in the 1970s.

III. What Can We Do?

A. We need to take Proverbs 27:12 seriously. A wise man foresees evil and takes the necessary steps to deliver himself while fools will go naively on and are destroyed.

B. Top priority must now be given to converting Muslims. The final answer to Islam is not bullets but Bibles, not missiles but missions. If they are converted, they will build up the world instead of tearing it down; they will love instead of hate; they will give instead of take. Islam is a spiritual deception and Satanic in its source and power. Only the power of the name and blood of Jesus can drive the demon of Islam out of the hearts and minds of Muslims.

C. We must demand that the U.S. and the UN begin to take action against those nations who persecute Christians. If Egypt will allow its Christian citizens to be butchered by Muslim fanatics, then no more American foreign aid should go to that country. If Bosnia warranted American military intervention, then how much more should we invade Sudan to bring peace to that war ravaged land?

If the U.S. wants to be the policeman of the world and invade Kuwait, Haiti, Bosnia, Somalia, and other places, then it is about time to take on the Muslims in Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Financial blockades and other political measures can stop their genocide against the Christians in their nations.

D. We must inform our congressman that now is not the time to disarm our military. Our missiles must be reprogrammed to hit Baghdad and Kabul instead of Moscow and Kiev. Muslim nations must be warned that if they commit acts of terrorism in this country, our wrath can reach their own cities. If they start World War III, they will be destroyed.

E. We must complete President Reagan's 'Star Wars' defense system against missile attacks made against this country. We are presently unprotected from an attack launched from Iraq, Iran, or some other Muslim nation. The U.S. Constitution requires the government to protect us from our enemies. Demand that it do so.

F. Christians must begin to support financially those few soldiers of the cross who are brave enough to stand up to Islam and refute it with courage and boldness. If we do not defeat Islam now, it will defeat us later. Ask yourself this question: Do I want my children or grandchildren to live under the heel of Islamic terrorism?

Conclusion

In the light of all these things, it is time to launch a new Crusade against Islam. But this time, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual. They are mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. (2 Corinthians 10:3-5) The sword of the Spirit is more powerful than a steel blade because it cuts to the soul and brings life instead of death. (Hebrews 4:12)

Islam can be defeated if we go forth in the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:4). We must boldly preach the gospel to Muslims everywhere including those in our own community. We must love them enough to share Christ with them.

    Rise up, O men of God,
    Have done with lesser things;
    Give heart and soul and mind and strength
    To serve the King of Kings.

Additional Notes:

Encyclopedia of Gods

"Allah: Perceived in pre-Islamic times as the creator of the earth and water, though not, at that time, considered monotheistically... Allat: Astral and tutelary goddess. Pre-Islamic... One of three daughters of Allah." p. 11; "Manat: Goddess. Pre-Islamic... One of the so-called daughters of Allah." p. 156

Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology

"Allah: Originally applied to the moon; he seems to be preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god... Allat: the female counterpart to Allah." p. 7

Oxford Dictionary of World Religions

"Allah: Before the birth of Muhammad, Allah was known as a supreme, but not sole, God." p. 48

A Short History of Philosophy, (Oxford University Press)

"Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." p. 130

"al-Kindi believed that God's divine nature made it impossible for human beings to fully understand Him. Thus, al-Kindi's descriptions of God are primarily expressed in negative terms, like Philo's via negativa." p. 136)

In Response To Robert's: Islamic Invasion by Waliyyuddin Shareef

"Mr. Morey also claims that Muhammad forced people to give up their idols and accept Islam. This statement is not true. What Muhammad did was give a choice to the pagans and idol worshipers to either give up their idols or die. No force was used, just a choice. If you believe in your idols then are you willing to die for is the question that was faced...I put this question to Mr. Morey and his readers: are you willing to die for your faith in Jesus Christ?" p. 35

"The Ishmael Myth: In my research on this topic I have found a few interesting comments about Abraham, Ishmael and the Arabs. In pre-Islamic times, Ishmael was never mentioned as the father of the Arabs..." p. 3

The Muslim's Belief by Shaikh Muhammad as-Saleh al-Uthaimin

"It is our opinion that whoever claims the acceptability of any existing religion today-- other than Islam-- such as Judaism, Christianity and so forth, is a non-believer. He should be asked to repent, if he does not, he must be killed as an apostate because he is rejecting the Qur'an." p.22

Dr. Robert A. Morey is the Executive Director of the Research and Education Foundation, which is dedicated to researching those topics that affect the future of Western thought and culture. Dr. Morey's ministry has been recommended by Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. D. James Kennedy, Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. John Weldon, Dr. Tim LaHaye, Dr. Gleason Archer, and many other nationally known Christian leaders.

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[BF]

It's coming.  Europe may already be close to lost.  Please watch..........

Islam, the fake religion of peace wants to Dominate! Becareful World!	powered by Aeva

And if your are concered....even in the slightest, then please watch this.......

Islam is a "peace-loving" religion from beginning to end	powered by Aeva

[asfltdncr]

The cause for concern? (Fox is controlled opposition) PERIOD!! Walter Cronkite? WAKE UP!!! what a Joke Not even close!! fox is candy coating what we should really see, as far as the Mainstream straight left wing, including the AP (Affiliated Depressed) Fox at least gets a little out. there is way more hard core Constitutional radio than fox. 'fox is to easy on the Liberals'. and this can be backed up by PHD's.

In this light, it makes no sense whatsoever for the West to be disarming while Islam is arming. While we are dismantling our missiles and nuclear warheads, Islamic nations are buying and building intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of showering nuclear death on any city in Europe or America.

We stand in some ways like those few brave Americans and Europeans who just before World War II warned people of the Nazi threat to world peace. They took the rhetoric of Hitler at face value and saw the buildup of war and terrorism across the world. While others dismissed Hitler and his 'brown shirts' as buffoons, a few people sounded the alarm. Sad to say, their warnings were ignored. "Peace in our time" was Chamberlain's swan song and the world was lulled to sleep while the Third Reich armed itself for war.

The Same Today

We are in much the same situation today. The Muslim threat to the peace and security of America is as real as was the threat of Nazism and Communism. If God does not intervene, the day will come when a mushroom cloud will appear over a major American city signaling death and destruction unparalleled in U.S. history.

The apostle Paul warned us that if the trumpet is not blown loud and clear, the people will not prepare for war (1 Corinthians 14-8). Ezekiel tells us that we are watchmen who have the responsibility to warn the city of an approaching army of death and destruction. If we fail to warn people of the coming war with Islam, their blood will be on our hands (Ezekiel 33:1-6).

In order to convince people that Islam constitutes a clear and present danger to the peace of the world, we must first demonstrate that Islam has the will and the desire to destroy us and, second, that they now have the means to do so.

I. The Muslims Have The Will And Desire To Destroy Us.

The Qur'an commands its followers to launch jihads or holy wars of conquest to force conversions to Islam.

    Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. (Surah IX:5)

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), (even if they are people of the Book), until they pay the tax with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah IX:29)

    Seize them and slay them wherever you find them. (Surah IV:89,91)

At the beginning, Muhammad's armies attacked defenseless caravans during times of truce and peace. He then sent out his armies to conquer and loot small villages. Cities were later put under the sword. Ultimately, entire nations fell to the sword of Islam. Entire populations were slaughtered and great cultural treasures were either looted or destroyed. (For the documentation: see the book The Islamic Invasion, Harvest House, Eugene, OR)

Whereas Jesus told his disciples to put away their swords, Muhammad commanded his followers make war in his name. Recorded in the Hadith, the second most important duty in Islam according to Muhammad, is Jihad or Holy War.

The blood lust of Islam is thus rooted in a perverted religious impulse to kill and mutilate in the name of Allah. This is what makes it so insidious and wicked. The killing of innocent men, women, and children in the name of Islam becomes a thing of praise and a badge of honor. The more you kill, the more Allah is honored. The greater the destruction, the greater the glory of Islam. Listen carefully to what the most influential leaders of Islam have said.

    "We are at war against infidels. Take this message with you, 'I ask all Islamic nations, all Muslims, all Islamic armies, and all heads of Islamic states to join the Holy War. There are many enemies to be killed or destroyed. Jihad must triumph...Muslims have no alternative... to an armed Holy War against profane governments... Holy War means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories... It will... be the duty of every able bodied adult male to volunteer for this war of conquest, the final aim of which is to put Koranic law in power from one end of the earth to the other.'" - Ayatollah Khomeini , "The U.S. is the devil on this planet." World Islamic Popular Command

    "Death to America, the Great Satan!" - Muslim mobs in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.

    "Muslims must kill the enemies of Allah, in every way and everywhere in order to liberate themselves from the grandchildren of the pigs and apes who are educated at the table of the Zionists, the Communists, and the Imperialists."
    - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "Any doubt about the need to struggle against the U.S. means being enslaved by the Great Satan, and losing the honor and the life the Islamic Revolution has brought to this country and the whole Islamic Ummah." - Ali Akbar Mohtashemi

    "It is a matter of time... In 10 years you will have quite a number of countries united under the banner of Islamic fundamentalism." - Hassan al-Turabi

    "There is fury, fury everywhere ... Islam is escalating and cannot be resisted. I pray that Allah may tear apart America just as the Soviet Union was torn apart ..." - Sheik al-Tamimi

    " wanted to topple one [tower] into the other and kill thousands to send a message to American that they were at war." - Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the blowing up of the World Trade Center

Lest you think that these statements are just a lot of wind and noise, come with me to the World Trade Center in New York City which was blown up by the disciples of Sheik Omar. Come with me to the crash sites of airplanes that were blown out of the air by Muslims. Visit the grave sites of American citizens killed by Muslim terrorists in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait.

In Washington DC, Muslims entered a home to kill everyone they found in the house. They took a nine-day-old baby boy and drowned him in the sink. They shot in the head his ten-year-old brother, his 23-year-old sister, his 25-year-old brother, and their mother.

What can we say about the slaughter of thousands of innocent Christians in Egypt, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, and Malaysia? World War III has already begun and most Americans do not know it.

II. The Muslims have the means as well as the will to destroy us.

Islamic fundamentalists plan on putting together an Islamic empire composed of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria, the former Muslim Soviet states such as Uzbekistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, and other Muslim nations in Asia.

Their plan is on schedule and they are taking over country after country while the West sleeps securely with its naive dreams of endless peace and prosperity of a new world order called the Pax Americana.

Listen to politicians and other leaders trying to wake up America.

    "The trial and subsequent conviction of the terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center and planned other terrorist acts should put to rest any doubt about the deadly threat to American citizens posed by radical extremists." - Henry Depippo, Federal Prosecutor of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

    "Each day's headlines demonstrate the timeliness this important analysis of the emerging trans-national radical Islamic movement... and the growing danger that extremist Islamic elements may seek to exploit our present vulnerability to missile attack with devastating results." - Frank Gaffney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security

    "The agenda of these people is to attack us for what we are... It's something very hard for Americans who live in a multi-cultured and secular society to understand." - L. Paul Bremer, former head of the counter terrorism office for the State Department

    "[Muslim fundamentalists] make no secret of their contempt for democratic political procedures." - Bernard Lewis, noted Middle East scholar

    "The public must always remain vigilant against acts of terrorism to ensure that terrorism does not become commonplace in this country as it has in many other countries."
    - William Sessions, former Director of the FBI

    "Today we have no protection from even a single ballistic missile." - Ambassador Henry F. Cooper

    "In short, the coming Islamic Empire will be a world power in every sense of the word, whose people will share a vibrant religion and a common Islamic culture. Like its Muslim predecessors, the Islamic Empire of the early 21st Century will also have an appetite for territorial expansion and military conquest. A modern, worldwide jihad against non-Muslim populations and societies complete with nuclear weapons promises to bring the highest casualty rates in the history of mankind. World War III, if it does come, will probably occur between the Islamic Bloc and the Western nations. It will be the deadliest war ever fought by humanity." - Anthony Dennis

    "Islamic fundamentalism, like communism... is bent on the expansion of its dominion to as many corners of the world as possible." Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

    "It doesn't matter what they tell you - Islamic fundamentalism is a worldwide menace... Allah is rapidly equipping Khomeini's followers with a sword to carry out their master's wishes. He has offered Islam the fire in which the Koran says those who follow false faiths are destined to burn: nuclear weaponry. He has also provided the long-range missiles needed to use it. According to the late Imam's logic, there may be only one just and righteous thing to do: employ this technology to wipe out recalcitrant heathens like you and me." - Howard Bloom

With the break up of the Soviet military complex, the Muslims have been able to buy intercontinental ballistic missiles that are capable of striking anywhere on the planet. They have nuclear bombs that can fit into a steamer trunk and it is feared that such a device may already be in this country. There is a real danger that we will one day face nuclear blackmail just as we faced Arab oil blackmail in the 1970s.

III. What Can We Do?

A. We need to take Proverbs 27:12 seriously. A wise man foresees evil and takes the necessary steps to deliver himself while fools will go naively on and are destroyed.

B. Top priority must now be given to converting Muslims. The final answer to Islam is not bullets but Bibles, not missiles but missions. If they are converted, they will build up the world instead of tearing it down; they will love instead of hate; they will give instead of take. Islam is a spiritual deception and Satanic in its source and power. Only the power of the name and blood of Jesus can drive the demon of Islam out of the hearts and minds of Muslims.

C. We must demand that the U.S. and the UN begin to take action against those nations who persecute Christians. If Egypt will allow its Christian citizens to be butchered by Muslim fanatics, then no more American foreign aid should go to that country. If Bosnia warranted American military intervention, then how much more should we invade Sudan to bring peace to that war ravaged land?

If the U.S. wants to be the policeman of the world and invade Kuwait, Haiti, Bosnia, Somalia, and other places, then it is about time to take on the Muslims in Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Financial blockades and other political measures can stop their genocide against the Christians in their nations.

D. We must inform our congressman that now is not the time to disarm our military. Our missiles must be reprogrammed to hit Baghdad and Kabul instead of Moscow and Kiev. Muslim nations must be warned that if they commit acts of terrorism in this country, our wrath can reach their own cities. If they start World War III, they will be destroyed.

E. We must complete President Reagan's 'Star Wars' defense system against missile attacks made against this country. We are presently unprotected from an attack launched from Iraq, Iran, or some other Muslim nation. The U.S. Constitution requires the government to protect us from our enemies. Demand that it do so.

F. Christians must begin to support financially those few soldiers of the cross who are brave enough to stand up to Islam and refute it with courage and boldness. If we do not defeat Islam now, it will defeat us later. Ask yourself this question: Do I want my children or grandchildren to live under the heel of Islamic terrorism?

Conclusion

In the light of all these things, it is time to launch a new Crusade against Islam. But this time, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual. They are mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. (2 Corinthians 10:3-5) The sword of the Spirit is more powerful than a steel blade because it cuts to the soul and brings life instead of death. (Hebrews 4:12)

Islam can be defeated if we go forth in the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:4). We must boldly preach the gospel to Muslims everywhere including those in our own community. We must love them enough to share Christ with them.

    Rise up, O men of God,
    Have done with lesser things;
    Give heart and soul and mind and strength
    To serve the King of Kings.

Additional Notes:

Encyclopedia of Gods

"Allah: Perceived in pre-Islamic times as the creator of the earth and water, though not, at that time, considered monotheistically... Allat: Astral and tutelary goddess. Pre-Islamic... One of three daughters of Allah." p. 11; "Manat: Goddess. Pre-Islamic... One of the so-called daughters of Allah." p. 156

Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology

"Allah: Originally applied to the moon; he seems to be preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god... Allat: the female counterpart to Allah." p. 7

Oxford Dictionary of World Religions

"Allah: Before the birth of Muhammad, Allah was known as a supreme, but not sole, God." p. 48

A Short History of Philosophy, (Oxford University Press)

"Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." p. 130

"al-Kindi believed that God's divine nature made it impossible for human beings to fully understand Him. Thus, al-Kindi's descriptions of God are primarily expressed in negative terms, like Philo's via negativa." p. 136)

In Response To Robert's: Islamic Invasion by Waliyyuddin Shareef

"Mr. Morey also claims that Muhammad forced people to give up their idols and accept Islam. This statement is not true. What Muhammad did was give a choice to the pagans and idol worshipers to either give up their idols or die. No force was used, just a choice. If you believe in your idols then are you willing to die for is the question that was faced...I put this question to Mr. Morey and his readers: are you willing to die for your faith in Jesus Christ?" p. 35

"The Ishmael Myth: In my research on this topic I have found a few interesting comments about Abraham, Ishmael and the Arabs. In pre-Islamic times, Ishmael was never mentioned as the father of the Arabs..." p. 3

The Muslim's Belief by Shaikh Muhammad as-Saleh al-Uthaimin

"It is our opinion that whoever claims the acceptability of any existing religion today-- other than Islam-- such as Judaism, Christianity and so forth, is a non-believer. He should be asked to repent, if he does not, he must be killed as an apostate because he is rejecting the Qur'an." p.22

Dr. Robert A. Morey is the Executive Director of the Research and Education Foundation, which is dedicated to researching those topics that affect the future of Western thought and culture. Dr. Morey's ministry has been recommended by Dr. Walter Martin, Dr. D. James Kennedy, Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. John Weldon, Dr. Tim LaHaye, Dr. Gleason Archer, and many other nationally known Christian leaders.

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[BF]

asfltdncr........

So it's all just BS and everything's all hunky dory then.   

[asfltdncr]

asfltdncr........

So it's all just BS and everything's all hunky dory then.   

Everything's alright on my end.
I think ALL religions are bad and will cause millions of deaths.
I don't believe in an afterlife or creator.
I think the whole concept is rediculous and lacks logic on any level.
I live my life that way and am not afraid to admit it to anyone.
I'll see y'all in the dirt, darkness, and disappointment- I LIVE FOR TODAY.

[Jeff K]

asfltdncr........

So it's all just BS and everything's all hunky dory then.   

Everything's alright on my end.
I think ALL religions are bad and will cause millions of deaths.
I don't believe in an afterlife or creator.
I think the whole concept is rediculous and lacks logic on any level.
I live my life that way and am not afraid to admit it to anyone.
I'll see y'all in the dirt, darkness, and disappointment- I LIVE FOR TODAY.

But...
But...

Do you run a car tire?
 

[alph]

does anyone remember "Ruby Ridge??"

[RoadKill]

does anyone remember "Ruby Ridge??"

And where are you seeing a "Ruby Ridge" connection here? Those American citizens were violated but the high profile group spreading across the country spreading hate is protected ? Weaver was very low profile,living quietly with his family. Are you saying he was training training the masses for Jihad instead...Or WHAT?

[Oss]

it seems the only way to interest the goverment is to show money being funnelled overseas and they didnt get their cut of the money

I would like to see the sheriff of the towns and homeland security say what they think and what they want to do

That is the follow up that is missing from the piece

I will look for the addy for hannity and suggest the follow up

if these folks are doing what they say I definitely need more firearms

[stormrider]

Big Al, after you and whoever else shows up on the 4th to help, get through closing their doors, go on over to the FEMA/Homeland Security Detainee center there in central GA and close them down for me as well. I'm on their watch list and may end up there one day if not in the ground for my beliefs and who I associate with. I'm not scared at all of those towel heads. At least I can identify them, it's the gov't agents out to suppress free speach, peaceful resistance, liberty, etc. that are impossible to identify. They have the Patriot Act to hide behind and have instilled fear of terrorism in the populace just so they can label anyone who questions or stands up to them as terrorists or extremist or violent or any of many other labels just so they can exert control. It worked for Adolf, Mussilini, Stalin, etc., oughta work for the power elite of America. And they have enlisted the support of local law enforcement.

[alph]

does anyone remember "Ruby Ridge??"

And where are you seeing a "Ruby Ridge" connection here? Those American citizens were violated but the high profile group spreading across the country spreading hate is protected ? Weaver was very low profile,living quietly with his family. Are you saying he was training training the masses for Jihad instead...Or WHAT?

EXACTLY! 

Weaver was a single person, and American, living peacefully in the mountains with just him his wife and his son.  He didn’t mean harm to anyone and the Feds went up there, shot his son, in the back, and basically destroyed the man, why?  Because he seemed as a “threat” to the ATF.  Now, you’ve got a bunch of terrorists, living without the feeling of any government threat, safe and sound, here in our own back yards.  Where’s the ATF now?  Why don’t they do to these terrorist what they did to Weaver?  I guess it’s because Randy wasn’t teaching how to kill innocent people, he was just trying to be left alone.

[asfltdncr]

asfltdncr........

So it's all just BS and everything's all hunky dory then.   

Everything's alright on my end.
I think ALL religions are bad and will cause millions of deaths.
I don't believe in an afterlife or creator.
I think the whole concept is rediculous and lacks logic on any level.
I live my life that way and am not afraid to admit it to anyone.
I'll see y'all in the dirt, darkness, and disappointment- I LIVE FOR TODAY.

But...
But...

Do you run a car tire?
 

I do in fact run a car tire and for all of you with such strong faith in the Lord, ya'll shouldn't worry about running on the darkside either.

[Jeff K]

I always get a kick out of those guys on TV

"Yeah, a tornado came in the middle of the night and tore up the whole town. Grandma is gone, the church is gone, the barn and live stock were thrown two counties away!
But by his grace and glory, me and my ole dog Rex here, was saved."

Makes me wonder what the rest of them did to piss off "their Lord"????


"Jeff K is donning his flame proof suit"

And I don't run a car tire! 

[SANDMAN5]

I think ALL religions are bad and will cause millions of deaths.
I don't believe in an afterlife or creator.
I think the whole concept is rediculous and lacks logic on any level.
I live my life that way and am not afraid to admit it to anyone.

You're welcome to believe what you want. I MOSTLY agree with you about
religions, but Christianity isn't about religion, it's about a relationship with God.
If you don't believe in a Creator, then you probably believe YOUR ancestors spent
a lot of time hanging around in trees. Mine didn't. My ancestors (and myself) were
created in the image of the Most High God, the Creator of the universe. I sleep
much better at night believing an intelligent being was behind the creation of the
universe and that we didn't just "happen". The idea that we evolved from amoeba,
to me, lacks any logic.

[SANDMAN5]

"Yeah, a tornado came in the middle of the night and tore up the whole town. Grandma is gone, the church is gone, the barn and live stock were thrown two counties away!
But by his grace and glory, me and my ole dog Rex here, was saved."

Makes me wonder what the rest of them did to piss off "their Lord"?

As stated before "religion" messes a lot of people up. Assuming by "their Lord" they
mean God, He don't do that. It's a common (wrong) teaching among many "religious
people" that If you make God mad He'll give you cancer, or kill one of your kids or
cause your business to fail. WRONG WRONG WRONG!! Anybody who tells you any of that
is either ignorant or lying. I dare anyone to find in the New Tesament where it is said that
God puts hardship on one of His children to teach them a lesson or to draw them closer
to Him. It ain't in there! Some people that grow up in "denominational" churches, like I did,
never REALLY understand the Bible. Most denom's pick out a few Biblical ideas and that's
what they live by and they never go any deeper into the Word. Their loss. 

[SANDMAN5]

I Big Al am looking for bunch of Jesus believing, morally Just, Earnhardt Sr. Fans..

Meet this July 4th at this traing camp in Georgia, and yes leave your firearms at home.

Bring your cameras though, casue Big AL will personally and by myself will walk up to the gates of this

facility and place an American Flag across the road and pray aloud to our Heavenly Father to put an end

to these hate mongering, morally corrupt perversion of humanity.

Remember the guy on that Steet Sign was partly responsible for cutting Pearl's Head off slowly with a

hunting knife while he screamed for his life.

They are animals and mad men nothing else.

So join me or I will simply go by myself, no big deal because I am fearless in front of these cowards.
 
 Report to moderator   
 

If God be for us, who can be against us? I'd be glad to go with you, if I can swing it!!
I'll even wear my "Got Jesus?" t-shirt.

[Jeff K]

I think ALL religions are bad and will cause millions of deaths.
I don't believe in an afterlife or creator.
I think the whole concept is rediculous and lacks logic on any level.
I live my life that way and am not afraid to admit it to anyone.

You're welcome to believe what you want. I MOSTLY agree with you about
religions, but Christianity isn't about religion, it's about a relationship with God.
If you don't believe in a Creator, then you probably believe YOUR ancestors spent
a lot of time hanging around in trees. Mine didn't. My ancestors (and myself) were
created in the image of the Most High God, the Creator of the universe. I sleep
much better at night believing an intelligent being was behind the creation of the
universe and that we didn't just "happen". The idea that we evolved from amoeba,
to me, lacks any logic.

Logic tells me that all beliefs are geographical.
If you were born on a mountain top in China or India, or in the deep outback of Australia...  you wouldn't have a hope of being "Christian".
So wherever this "creator" dropped the souls on this planet... he doomed a bunch of them just by location.

On top of the fact that all of the million/billions of people that were dropped in those non-Christian locations have a theory of their own... and in their book YOU are the one that is doomed because of where their creator dropped you. And they are just as convinced (maybe even more) that they are right about their book as you are about yours.




Just goes to show... Location is everything!

[Demo]

Hannity blows dead rats, regardless of your political leaning.

[SANDMAN5]

Logic tells me that all beliefs are geographical.
If you were born on a mountain top in China or India, or in the deep outback of Australia...  you wouldn't have a hope of being "Christian".
So wherever this "creator" dropped the souls on this planet... he doomed a bunch of them just by location.

On top of the fact that all of the million/billions of people that were dropped in those non-Christian locations have a theory of their own... and in their book YOU are the one that is doomed because of where their creator dropped you. And they are just as convinced (maybe even more) that they are right about their book as you are about yours.

You are both right and wrong. Christianity does not involve a physical "location" but it's all in the
heart. Our "job" as Christians is to spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. Also, ALL
of those other religions worship a god that is dead. Christianity is the ONLY faith that worships
a living God. So none of them are doomed by location if we, as Christians, do our job. That's why
there are missionaries all over the world. Islam also has "missionaries" to spread their religion,
but they are told to kill anyone that doesn't accept it. We can discuss/argue/fight over this as long
as you'd like, but in the end I'll still believe in God and you probably won't. If I live the rest of my life
believing in God and find out when I die that He never existed, I've lost nothing. I will have helped
people as much as I could, helped some thru hard times and made them feel a little better about
their situation. On the other hand, if you live as though God never existed and find out He does
after it's too late, then you have lost everything...for eternity. It's all in the Bible. Check out the
parable of the sower in Matthew 13. Substitute "Word" for seed and "heart" for ground.

[Jeff K]

Logic tells me that all beliefs are geographical.
If you were born on a mountain top in China or India, or in the deep outback of Australia...  you wouldn't have a hope of being "Christian".
So wherever this "creator" dropped the souls on this planet... he doomed a bunch of them just by location.

On top of the fact that all of the million/billions of people that were dropped in those non-Christian locations have a theory of their own... and in their book YOU are the one that is doomed because of where their creator dropped you. And they are just as convinced (maybe even more) that they are right about their book as you are about yours.

You are both right and wrong. Christianity does not involve a physical "location" but it's all in the
heart. Our "job" as Christians is to spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. Also, ALL
of those other religions worship a god that is dead. Christianity is the ONLY faith that worships
a living God. So none of them are doomed by location if we, as Christians, do our job. That's why
there are missionaries all over the world. Islam also has "missionaries" to spread their religion,
but they are told to kill anyone that doesn't accept it. We can discuss/argue/fight over this as long
as you'd like, but in the end I'll still believe in God and you probably won't. If I live the rest of my life
believing in God and find out when I die that He never existed, I've lost nothing. I will have helped
people as much as I could, helped some thru hard times and made them feel a little better about
their situation. On the other hand, if you live as though God never existed and find out He does
after it's too late, then you have lost everything...for eternity. It's all in the Bible. Check out the
parable of the sower in Matthew 13. Substitute "Word" for seed and "heart" for ground.

If I live the rest of my life
believing in God and find out when I die that He never existed, I've lost nothing.

Not true. If you end up at the foot of Allah (or many other faith's Gods) You will be in deep do do. And again they are just as sure of their book as you are of yours.

Christianity does not involve a physical "location" but it's all in the
heart. Our "job" as Christians is to spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. Also, ALL
of those other religions worship a god that is dead. Christianity is the ONLY faith that worships
a living God. So none of them are doomed by location if we, as Christians, do our job.

Again, not true. I've heard this justification before. It still leaves the billions of souls that Christians couldn't reach doomed. You can't justify your good intent as results. Billions and billions of souls have been condemned though out time because they don't live in a Christian community.  And maybe had never even heard of Christianity. Per your book.

It's all in the Bible. Check out the
parable of the sower in Matthew 13. Substitute "Word" for seed and "heart" for ground.

I have ADD, I can't read fiction, it can't hold my interest. I have a hard enough time focusing on technical things I need to read and understand.

But I agree with the fact that we will never agree on this subject. I'm good with it and I'm betting you are also.   

Back to your regularly scheduled political thread... 


 

[SANDMAN5]

I remember asking my pastor what would happen to someone if they lived their whole life
and never heard Jesus mentioned. I wish I could remember how he worded it....but I can't.
But the gist of his response is "the denial of Christ" is what dooms people to hell.
You call the Bible fiction but you have no proof. I would ask you but it would only drag out
a conversation that is already over. I'm not worried in the least about ending up at allah's
feet after I leave my body, he died centuries ago.

[..]

Ahem guys. Aren't we getting a tad off topic ?

[SANDMAN5]

Ahem guys. Aren't we getting a tad off topic ?

Yep, it would appear so.

[Jeff K]

Ahem guys. Aren't we getting a tad off topic ?

Somehow, a lot of sandbox threads degrade to religion (faith), Politics or Car tires.

[asfltdncr]

I always get a kick out of those guys on TV

"Yeah, a tornado came in the middle of the night and tore up the whole town. Grandma is gone, the church is gone, the barn and live stock were thrown two counties away!
But by his grace and glory, me and my ole dog Rex here, was saved."

Makes me wonder what the rest of them did to piss off "their Lord"????


"Jeff K is donning his flame proof suit"

And I don't run a car tire! 

Come on over Jeff--You Know You Want To.

[Serk]

I apologize for getting back to the original topic  but... Sure hope there aren't any of these groups in South Carolina, and if so, sure hope they remembered to register themselves!

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/

[Trynt]

does anyone remember "Ruby Ridge??"

Randy Weaver was a dirt poor, fundamentalist Christian, white separatist, and ex green beret. Although not a member of the Ayran Nation, he knew people who were.  The ATF wanted Weaver to infiltrate the Ayran Nation on their behalf.  In an effort to force him to do just that the ATF set out to entrap Weaver into selling an undercover agent two sawed off shot guns. After several contacts Weaver produced two shotguns which the government says were sawed off .5 inch too short (Weaver denies they were altered when delivered to the agent and the agent confirmed this in 1994).  The ATF then used these two shotguns in an effort to coerce Weaver into becoming their undercover agent, saying they would drop the gun charges if he did. Weaver refused . Weaver then failed to appear in court on the gun charges because he was given the wrong date. This impasse resulted in the shooting death of his wife and 14 year old son and the wounding of a family friend Kevin Harris and Weaver himself.  Both Weaver and his son were shot in the back and his wife was shot while holding her 10 month old daughter. Weaver, his wife and Kevin Harris were all shot by an FBI sniper. For this disgraceful series of events, the government paid the surviving members of the Weaver family $3.1 million.  Kevin Harris (despite killing a US. marshal in self defense) was awared $380.000.