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IAMTHEISLE
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« on: May 10, 2010, 12:40:34 PM »

food for thought,
Is it possible that the starter engaged the fly wheel and stuck there? Now the fly wheel is locked by the starter. Something freed itself up and I rode the bike home. It starts as if nothing happened. I probably have ridden at least twenty miles and it is AOK. Still confused.
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fudgie
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 12:45:08 PM »

Is the battery good?
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 01:17:02 PM »

food for thought,
Is it possible that the starter engaged the fly wheel and stuck there? Now the fly wheel is locked by the starter. Something freed itself up and I rode the bike home. It starts as if nothing happened. I probably have ridden at least twenty miles and it is AOK. Still confused.

That happens to my Ford 8n tractor all the time. The ring gear (on my tractor, anyhow) more often than not stops at the same
place, and now, almost 60 years later that section of teeth on the ring gear are gnarly. My buddy Dan came over to look at it,
and we filed down the gnarly teeth... now, instead of locking up there, the starter just spins on those teeth, so quite often I have to
put the tractor in 4th gear and rock the rear wheel back and forth (imagine giant beads of sweat flying off my brow while
I'm doing this  Wink ) until I move the ring gear to an adjacent good place so I can start it.

The tractor man is scheduled to come and fetch my tractor and break it in two and put in a new ring gear in a week or so...

So this is a long way of saying, yeah, I guess the starter could have locked up on whatever passes for a ring gear on your Valk, but
I can't imagine any benign reasons for it to have done so... you don't want to have to  "break your Valkyrie in two" and replace the
ring gear...

-Mike
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Dan Manko
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 04:44:36 PM »

Hydrolock?
Gas in the cylinder/cylinders.
It could have cleared itself, but will happen again.
Do a search for "hydrolock"
Fix it before it really screws with the motor and starter.
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Dan Manko
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 04:50:41 PM »

Put this on the Tech Board and you are sure to get an answer.
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Rocketman
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 09:11:15 PM »

Put this on the Tech Board and you are sure to get an answer.

When you do, include some more details.  It sounds like a hydrolock, but we need to hear symptoms before we can diagnose.
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Jeff K
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 04:14:25 AM »

food for thought,
Is it possible that the starter engaged the fly wheel and stuck there? Now the fly wheel is locked by the starter. Something freed itself up and I rode the bike home. It starts as if nothing happened. I probably have ridden at least twenty miles and it is AOK. Still confused.

No, there is no "ring gear" and the starter stays engaged in the gears all the time. It has an "overrunning" bearing on the gearing that lets it spin free when the motor is spinning faster than the starter.
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Jeff K
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 04:17:03 AM »

What happened to the first half of this thread?
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 04:40:52 AM »

food for thought,
Is it possible that the starter engaged the fly wheel and stuck there? Now the fly wheel is locked by the starter. Something freed itself up and I rode the bike home. It starts as if nothing happened. I probably have ridden at least twenty miles and it is AOK. Still confused.

No, there is no "ring gear" and the starter stays engaged in the gears all the time. It has an "overrunning" bearing on the gearing that lets it spin free when the motor is spinning faster than the starter.

If figgered the Valkyrie was a little different from an 8n... JeffK's explanation makes a lockup
there seem unlikely...

I got this in email - maybe IAMTHEISLE needs a chromed muffler bearing  cooldude

  Yall need to get the pig poop from between your toes and buy a DEERE. Nothing
  runs like a DEERE. Me and pappy have been farmin for about 50 years and we
  aint never broke a DEERE in half. Course you yankees never were to smart. I sugest
  the next time you break that ford in half to get to your ring gear go to your local Harley
  shop and ask them for a chrome muffler bearing. They are guaranteed for life.
  Happy Farmin.


My Uncle Dan sends out messages like this to his Family email list all the time:

  As youuns know, BUBBA has been in a hole all of his'n life. What happened
  to you
  Go pick youuns cotton..
   BUBBA and Aunt jean


I wonder if Uncle Dan is lurking on the Valkyrie board?

Anywho... it is looking like IAMTHEISLE might get better advice on the Tech board...

-Mike
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Jeff K
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 07:20:20 AM »

It was Hydro locked. The damage to the motor is dependent on where the motor is in it's stroke. If it gets a running start at the lockup it can break gears, if it was already locked the starter motor wouldn't have the torque to break the teeth.

I had a Boss Mustang with a shaker hood scoop, I had it parked in an alley between two close buildings. There was a torrential downpour and after the rain I went to start the car and it locked up. When I pulled the motor apart I found one rod bent into an S, the motor fired on the dry cyls and locked when it got to the full one. 
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