Regardless of your political orientation..as an American this is a problem...

[JimL]

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html

[big turkey]

Best post yet.

They will strike again and it will happen from the unguarded border to our South.

Take time to watch this video even if you hate me and anyone else that is a

Patriot.

This is real and will affect you and the ones you love.

Kids, Grand Kids, your Mother, Your Father.

Get off our collective areses and do somthing. Washington.

Thanks Jim L

Big Al

[Jabba]

No doubt about it.  We need to secure our border.

That does not mean we can't allow a lot of mexican's thru, that are willing to sign the guest book.  But it will allow us to expel the criminals and non-mexicans that are crossing.

Build a fence... and shoot the sneakers.

Jabba

[valk2001]

This is something that should wake up a few Americans.  I say a few because until we have another major terrorist attack, people just go about their daily lives and don't see the danger in all the illegal aliens entering the US through our southern border.  All they see are more people to do landscaping work and cheap construction labor.  I think Arizona is on the right track.  I think that unless you can prove citizenship, don't issue driver's licenses, don't give free medical care, etc.  I do not have a prejudice bone in my body until it comes to people coming in to our country illegally.  I have extreme prejudice against them.

[Scanner]

Best post yet.

They will strike again and it will happen from the unguarded border to our South.

Take time to watch this video even if you hate me and anyone else that is a

Patriot.

This is real and will affect you and the ones you love.

Kids, Grand Kids, your Mother, Your Father.

Get off our collective areses and do somthing. Washington.

Thanks Jim L

Big Al

So I guess people who don't agree with you aren't self-proclaimed "Patriots" and those that do are Al? Maybe a little presumptuous there?

You may be right about our enemies coming from the south next time, but understand that the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada - legally.

And do you think that the government that so many feel is incompetent can now secure 2000 miles of border...with a fence?  Even if they could, that's like locking one door on your 4 door car for security....

[Jabba]

Gotta start somewhere.  Merely whining "It's too hard" ain't gonna get it done.

I think we should build a fence... and MAN it. 

We should also let A LOT of them thru the gate...  Just make 'em sign the guest book on the way in.

Jabba

[JimL]

So I guess people who don't agree with you aren't self-proclaimed "Patriots" and those that do are Al? Maybe a little presumptuous there?

You may be right about our enemies coming from the south next time, but understand that the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada - legally.

And do you think that the government that so many feel is incompetent can now secure 2000 miles of border...with a fence?  Even if they could, that's like locking one door on your 4 door car for security....

Scanner even though I rarely agree with your ideology, I don't believe you to be an idiot.  As such, I am under the assumption that you don't actually believe that proponents of establishing a fence on our borders believe that this is a panacea for solving the security issue.  Even though this is the principle talking point for those opposed to it.  Placing fences on the border is simply one piece in the infrastructure that needs to be built in order to slow the problem.

History has shown that fences have been a big part in keeping enemies out (China's Great Wall) and keeping prisoners in (Communist East Germany), in both cases the fence was simply one piece of the infrastructure.  The Chinese used it effectively by stationing garrisons of troops in locations along the border.  Watchtowers were established at intervals along the great wall were a watchman would raise a flag if an advancing enemy was spotted, which allowed the garrisons to converge and secure any prospective breach.  This age old tried and true pattern is what proponents of the border fence are suggesting today.  This issue is not a technical problem, it has been, and continues to be a political problem.

You are correct when you say that our border with Canada is also not secured, however I would say that building the fence along the Mexican border is a good start (a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step).  I believe that our northern border needs to be secured also.

[Scanner]

So I guess people who don't agree with you aren't self-proclaimed "Patriots" and those that do are Al? Maybe a little presumptuous there?

You may be right about our enemies coming from the south next time, but understand that the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada - legally.

And do you think that the government that so many feel is incompetent can now secure 2000 miles of border...with a fence?  Even if they could, that's like locking one door on your 4 door car for security....

Scanner even though I rarely agree with your ideology, I don't believe you to be an idiot.  As such, I am under the assumption that you don't actually believe that proponents of establishing a fence on our borders believe that this is a panacea for solving the security issue.  Even though this is the principle talking point for those opposed to it.  Placing fences on the border is simply one piece in the infrastructure that needs to be built in order to slow the problem.

History has shown that fences have been a big part in keeping enemies out (China's Great Wall) and keeping prisoners in (Communist East Germany), in both cases the fence was simply one piece of the infrastructure.  The Chinese used it effectively by stationing garrisons of troops in locations along the border.  Watchtowers were established at intervals along the great wall were a watchman would raise a flag if an advancing enemy was spotted, which allowed the garrisons to converge and secure any prospective breach.  This age old tried and true pattern is what proponents of the border fence are suggesting today.  This issue is not a technical problem, it has been, and continues to be a political problem.

You are correct when you say that our border with Canada is also not secured, however I would say that building the fence along the Mexican border is a good start (a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step).  I believe that our northern border needs to be secured also.

Yes, I do believe when people like McCain say "Build the danged fence" that's what he means (this time) and he knows his audience well (this time).  You must realize a fence , even with "watchtowers" is not much of a challenge.   How many tunnels do you think are already established in border towns?  Not as many as there will be.

And after we've built the great wall at the Mexican and Canadian borders we still have many thousands of miles of shoreline to "secure" - above and below water.

My main point is not that Canada is unsecured, but that the terrorists entered the USA LEGALLY.

For people who scream about deficits, how about spending trillions of dollars on "Great Walls", and then finding they are in fact, worthless.

[elraque]

Law enforcement seems to have plenty of people to make sure my seat belt is fastened and that I'm wearing a helmet...

Maybe we could rearrange their priorities a little and ask them (as Arizona did) to help protect the USA from an invading force (just the illegal ones).

As was posted elsewhere, I have no problem with the ones who sign the guestbook and obey the rules. They are and always have been welcome in the USA. But when someone (no matter where they come from) commits THREE FELONIES just to cross the border... well, most states have a "three strikes and you're out" rule. Maybe this would be a good place to enforce THAT existing law also.

It isn't about RACE, it's about CRIME!

[Robert]

I think a fence would be a good thing but not as most would think. Prisons and storage units have a great example of how to secure a area. If you have razor wire on a chain link fence double layered with a space in between  maybe with electrified. The fence would be held down with steel poles sunk into the ground about 20 feet. Then like prisons put the proximity sensors in between the fences all along the boarder then as for cost it would be pretty inexpensive and for security it would also handle those that would tunnel under to get in. Man power could be cut down and security could be good. As for the last thing a satellite could be posted above to keep a eye on things. Our defense spending could easily cover the cost and with all the money we pour into helping other nations we should have no problem. I dont think we will ever see this though with Bush making a deal for the North American Union its going to be easier to let them in with drivers licensees. By the way thanks for the info it is a eye opener

[Skinhead]

A fence and a NO MANS LAND  500 yards either side of it.  I'm sure there are plenty of citizens willing to volunteer to man the border and snipe at those in the "kill zone".  Post plenty of signs as warnings,  if they make it across, let them fill out the paper work they should have started with legally.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in killing for sport, I don't even hunt, but I believe in killing to protect yourself, and these people mean to do us harm.  There are no harsh consequences for them now so why not give it a shot?  There would be a lot fewer willing to risk it if there was a 50% chance you'd wind up with a bullet in you.

[Big Rig]

I am not sure a fence will work, but what other options do you suggest? Seriously...bashing the finse idea, you must have a better idea. Lookinjg back in history, walls have worked and not worked, for the Chinese yes, but for the French? Not so well.

We as a country (unified) must put an end to any crossing the boarders. Lets shut the borders down and clean the house. Shut them down for 5 years. Revamp the systems and clean out the illegals and instead of putting them on a bus and shuutling them back across the borders, load them on a ship and drop them off on the southern side of Mexico. If they are going to come back they will have long way to go and this might pursade them not to make the trip back. But it would take cleaning the  house to get it done and yes, some peoples feeling may get hurt but better hurt feelings than a civil war here in the states.

I supply the pot, the spoon...now you all can start stirring the pot...

[Scanner]

I am not sure a fence will work, but what other options do you suggest? Seriously...bashing the finse idea, you must have a better idea. Lookinjg back in history, walls have worked and not worked, for the Chinese yes, but for the French? Not so well.

We as a country (unified) must put an end to any crossing the boarders. Lets shut the borders down and clean the house. Shut them down for 5 years. Revamp the systems and clean out the illegals and instead of putting them on a bus and shuutling them back across the borders, load them on a ship and drop them off on the southern side of Mexico. If they are going to come back they will have long way to go and this might pursade them not to make the trip back. But it would take cleaning the  house to get it done and yes, some peoples feeling may get hurt but better hurt feelings than a civil war here in the states.

I supply the pot, the spoon...now you all can start stirring the pot...

I don't think it's all that difficult or expensive.  No walls or Army required.

5 years prison and 50K fine for anyone employing an illegal immigrant - per immigrant. 

How long will the immigration continue with no jobs?

[Mickey Runie]

I am not sure a fence will work, but what other options do you suggest? Seriously...bashing the finse idea, you must have a better idea. Lookinjg back in history, walls have worked and not worked, for the Chinese yes, but for the French? Not so well.

We as a country (unified) must put an end to any crossing the boarders. Lets shut the borders down and clean the house. Shut them down for 5 years. Revamp the systems and clean out the illegals and instead of putting them on a bus and shuutling them back across the borders, load them on a ship and drop them off on the southern side of Mexico. If they are going to come back they will have long way to go and this might pursade them not to make the trip back. But it would take cleaning the  house to get it done and yes, some peoples feeling may get hurt but better hurt feelings than a civil war here in the states.

I supply the pot, the spoon...now you all can start stirring the pot...

I don't think it's all that difficult or expensive.  No walls or Army required.

5 years prison and 50K fine for anyone employing an illegal immigrant - per immigrant. 

How long will the immigration continue with no jobs?

Probably wouldn't work.   Everyone knows the laws passed DO NOT APPLY to members of Congress.  And since they are some of the main employers of these 'green card challenged persons', I'm sure enforcement would be impossible........ [insert sarcasic grin here]

[RoadKill]

I am not sure a fence will work, but what other options do you suggest? Seriously...bashing the finse idea, you must have a better idea. Lookinjg back in history, walls have worked and not worked, for the Chinese yes, but for the French? Not so well.

We as a country (unified) must put an end to any crossing the boarders. Lets shut the borders down and clean the house. Shut them down for 5 years. Revamp the systems and clean out the illegals and instead of putting them on a bus and shuutling them back across the borders, load them on a ship and drop them off on the southern side of Mexico. If they are going to come back they will have long way to go and this might pursade them not to make the trip back. But it would take cleaning the  house to get it done and yes, some peoples feeling may get hurt but better hurt feelings than a civil war here in the states.

I supply the pot, the spoon...now you all can start stirring the pot...

I don't think it's all that difficult or expensive.  No walls or Army required.

5 years prison and 50K fine for anyone employing an illegal immigrant - per immigrant.  

How long will the immigration continue with no jobs?

Scanner,how does your "simple" plan deter the drugs,rapists and murderers coming across the open border? I doubt the drug traders and gun smugglers  are interested in standing around the HomeDepot parking lot waiting for a job installing kitchen counters! If the ones already here can not get jobs they will NOT go back! They will resort to crime to afford their stay here in the land of handouts!

[G-Man]

Scanner,how does your "simple" plan deter the drugs,rapists and murderers coming across the open border? I doubt the drug traders and gun smugglers  are interested in standing around the HomeDepot parking lot waiting for a job installing kitchen counters! If the ones already here can not get jobs they will NOT go back! They will resort to crime to afford their stay here in the land of handouts!

What Scanners plan does is to identifiy, or weed out, the bad guys right away.  If the "good" illegals stop coming because there are no jobs, then we already know that the ones still coming are the "bad" illegals and there's no question as to what action to take.

[Oss]

Oss's border plan

Will cost you no more than a few cents a day till its done

Build a fence, then a hundred yards inside a second one like the berlin wall. If the Mexicans dont like it they can kiss my Oss.

Put a state national guard trooper or 2 every thousand yards with a high powered rifle and searchlights in a guardhouse with a nice view on top of the second fence and a cell phone to call for reinforcements   Lots of cameras and sensors.  And make them here not in china

by the way suicide bombings are way down in Israel since that fence was built  Good fences make good neighbors someone once said
 
No catch and release. No amnesty.

Any caught go into internment camps in the desert and start working and building fence sections for the border fence. Hey why not put em to work?   Havent figured out what to do with the children yet- Its not their fault their parents put them in harm's way. Probably be best to send the kids back to Mexico When word gets back that the accomodations are less than ideal the nice illegals will stop coming and we will be left with drug dealers and terrorists  and they deserve our special hospitality

The ones from Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran can go into a special section as terrorists.

I would pay a one cent gas tax for this service to end when the fence is finished.
and Arizona should have the right  to collect the tax from the Feds since the Feds are not building the fence

[Big Rig]

Oss,

I like the plan. When can we make it happen?

[39 Chev]

I am not sure a fence will work, but what other options do you suggest? Seriously...bashing the finse idea, you must have a better idea. Lookinjg back in history, walls have worked and not worked, for the Chinese yes, but for the French? Not so well.

We as a country (unified) must put an end to any crossing the boarders. Lets shut the borders down and clean the house. Shut them down for 5 years. Revamp the systems and clean out the illegals and instead of putting them on a bus and shuutling them back across the borders, load them on a ship and drop them off on the southern side of Mexico. If they are going to come back they will have long way to go and this might pursade them not to make the trip back. But it would take cleaning the  house to get it done and yes, some peoples feeling may get hurt but better hurt feelings than a civil war here in the states.

I supply the pot, the spoon...now you all can start stirring the pot...

I don't think it's all that difficult or expensive.  No walls or Army required.

5 years prison and 50K fine for anyone employing an illegal immigrant - per immigrant. 

How long will the immigration continue with no jobs?

I think they can get along just fine without a job.  They just follow Obama's aunt's example and live in public housing while being here illegally and live on the public dole.

[big turkey]

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VIDEO: TERRORISTS CROSSING MEXICAN-U.S. BORDER!
Dittos Rush! ^ | 5-11-10 | James

Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:38:33 PM by iloveamerica1980

From News channel 2 in Atlanta. Agents in New Mexico and Arizona are catching thousands of OTM’s (other than Mexicans). Border patrol and ranchers are finding muslim prayer shaws, muslim jackets with "martyr" patches on them. “There are people who mean to do us harm who cross our borders every day”. One of the world’s most wanted terrorist was spotted in Atlanta who most likely came up through the mountains by means of the Mexican border. These terrorists learn to speak Spanish then travel to Mexico and blend in with other illegal’s trying to enter this USA!


Here you go more evidence from a News Organization.

Saw this on the news the other night.

What more do we need.

Big  Al

[big turkey]

Let's see now.

1 Underwear Bomber on on a Plane on a Christian Holy Day.

2 Colorado Bomb Suspects Knabbed.

3 Bomb in Times Square about to blow.

4 Janet Napolatano- The system is working.

5 Obama- Plays another round of Golf and Comments Three Days later.

6 Diplomat Apologizes to the Chinese today,,, about the Arizona Illegal Aliens Law.

7 Eric Holder Attorney General of the United States threatens lawsuit on the Arizona Bill, he has not

   read.

Yah we are on track I would say.

For a Freaking Disaster.

But the important thing is a lot of people are mad at Arizona for doing something about the problem.

Big Al

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[big turkey]

Forgot one thing a stimulus bill that does not create any, repeat any new jobs.

Well then that about covers it.

Come on November.

Some Dems ain't even bothering to run this time.

Throwing in the Towel.

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