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« on: May 19, 2010, 10:07:13 AM »

More noise Laws coming....

'Quiet cars' to get alert sounds

http://detnews.com/article/20100519/AUTO01/5190401/1361/-Quiet-cars--to-get-alert-sounds

Washington -- Automakers would be required to alert blind pedestrians, bikers and others to "quiet cars" with chirps or other sounds under a deal announced today.
The two major auto trade groups -- the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers -- sent a letter today to Congress with two major advocacy groups for the blind supporting legislation.
"Good policy is a collaborative effort, and this is a good approach for pedestrians and automakers," said Alliance President and CEO Dave McCurdy of the trade group that represents Detroit's Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp. and seven other automakers. "This encourages an innovative solution."
Congress is expected to attach the measure to a broad overhaul of the nation's auto safety laws.
The new requirement "will help to ensure the safety of pedestrians, especially those who are blind, as an increasing number of hybrid and electric vehicles are sold" said the letter signed by the National Federation of the Blind, American Council of the Blind and the two auto trade associations that represent nearly all major automakers.
Blind pedestrians may not hear hybrids that shut off engines as vehicles come to a stop. New plug-in electric vehicles will be quieter still -- and some will have no internal combustion engine and will run only on battery power.
Under the proposed legislation, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration must begin writing standards that would set requirements "for an alert sound that allows blind and other pedestrians to reasonably detect a nearby electric or hybrid vehicle" within 18 months and must finalize the rules within three years.
Drivers won't have to activate sounds; vehicles will do it automatically. The sounds must allow a blind pedestrian "to reasonably detect a nearby electric or hybrid vehicle in critical operating scenarios."
Last month, NHTSA chief David Strickland said that quiet hybrid vehicles may pose risks to pedestrians.
"A quieter fleet could potentially put pedestrians at risk, especially blind pedestrians," Strickland said at the Society of Automotive Engineers World Congress in Detroit.
He noted that NHTSA is researching the issue.
"Our analysis of limited data from 12 states shows that hybrid electric vehicles do have a significantly higher incidence rate of pedestrian crashes than internal combustion engines for certain maneuvers -- like slowing or stopping, backing up, entering or leaving a parking space, and making a turn," Strickland said.
NHTSA is working on the second phase of its research project "to assess how we might require vehicles to emit a base level of sound at low speeds to provide some level of identification to pedestrians that a vehicle is approaching.
"We think to be effective, this sound has to be readily identifiable as a vehicle," he said.
Automakers will not be able to allow drivers to deactivate the sounds. NHTSA must "determine the minimum level of sound emitted from a motor vehicle that is necessary to provide blind and other pedestrians with the information needed to reasonably detect a nearby electric or hybrid vehicle operating" and must "consider the overall community noise impact."
The draft legislation notes that blind pedestrians cannot locate and evaluate traffic by sight and instead must listen to traffic to discern its speed, direction, and other attributes in order to travel safely and independently. It also notes that others pedestrians who are not blind, bicyclists, runners and small children, will benefit as well
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 10:48:45 AM »

LOL dont they say 'loud pipes save lives'?  coolsmiley I was getting gas the other day when a Pruis or similar ugly car rolled up. Scared me cause i couldn't hear it and caught it in the corner of my eye. A bicycle made more noise then this car did.  crazy2
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 11:32:01 AM »

Fudgie, anything in a skirt would scare you.      You'd be scared Kit would find ya....

The blind people do need some directive as to where a vehicle is...

As a joke, my brother gave me a alarm system for my car.

It was one of those that you could program to say anything.  A sensor would know someone or something was close to the car.    It would announce, 'You at invading my territory.   Please back up or Hercules will get ya.    Then it had a horrendous dog bark.   For orneriness we used to park it in the Area (CHP) lot and activate the system and then set in surveillance car and laugh like a bunch of fools.    One day the word came down from the Chief, whoever owned that car had best turn it off, or someone would be in a lot of hot water.....

Quit driving it to work.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 01:32:09 PM »

All this will be brought to us by the same folks that mandated beepers on construction vehicles when in reverse and then, and then,--------------mandated that all workers must wear hearing protectors.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 01:38:42 PM »

All this will be brought to us by the same folks that mandated beepers on construction vehicles when in reverse and then, and then,--------------mandated that all workers must wear hearing protectors.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Our ambulances get yearly certified and we have to have the backup beeper in working order. Thing is tho, we have a beeper cancelling button in the cab!   crazy2
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 02:41:25 PM »

I think the sound should be of a star wars speeder Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2010, 06:32:00 PM »

Engineer I worked with used to sneak up to guys in the parking lot and lay on the horn just inches from thier calfs.  He drove a Prius.  Kinda like when the coyote was looking for the roadrunner and then the roadrunner goes 'beep,beep" behind him.  It was funny until he got me! Then, after I caught my breath, I laughed so hard I couldn't get back off the ground.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2010, 05:05:18 AM »

You can get back up beepers that actually go into the back-up lights on any car.  I had one of them once, and installed it in my brothers F250 without his knowledge.  THAT was a hoot too.

We play the "scare each other" game at the office.  I am the king.  Our only rule is that you can't screw with someone in the bathroom.  That being after I scared a guy when he was urinating, and he jumped so hard he pissed all over the restroom.  "OK... new rule!"

I will ocassionally crawl... snake style up to a guys desk and grab his leg.  That usually gets him to scream like a little girl.

They get me once in a while too.  It's not ALL one way.  AND, I have told EVERYONE, that if thy ask me to stop... I will NEVER do it to them again.

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