Clutch socket?

[Don07tncav]

Will any 46mm socket fit the basket nut when taking the clutch apart? $89 for the Honda part 07JMA-MN50100 seems a bit steep.

[Oyeaa]

I recently replaced my clutch and used a 32mm socket to remove and replace nut #15.

Nut #16 is a 12 point nut, a 12 point socket may work, I do not know because I did not need to change the basket out.  That nut only retains the basket #1 and unless the basket is damaged you should not have to remove and replace it in the process of replacing the clutch plate stack.



Hopefully this link will help as well.

http://www.far-riders.com/albums/thumbnails.php?album=68

You may want to ask "LadyDraco" directly about that socket:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=689

[Oyeaa]

More links that may help
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/forum/tech_archive.cgi?read=1126413

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/forum/tech_archive.cgi?read=1124207#Responses

[Don07tncav]

Appreciate the links, I've done several searches and didn't know about the 1 13/16 socket fitting too. I'll look for either in a deep well socket.

Superficially the basket looks good but I want to take it out to be sure.

[gordonv]

I recently replaced my clutch and used a 32mm socket to remove and replace nut #15.

Nut #16 is a 12 point nut, a 12 point socket may work, I do not know because I did not need to change the basket out.  That nut only retains the basket #1 and unless the basket is damaged you should not have to remove and replace it in the process of replacing the clutch plate stack.

What I don't understand, is how is it that the nuts, 15 & 16, are listed as,

15: NUT, HEX. (22MM)
16: NUT, LOCK (40MM)

So where do we get the 32 & 36 mm or the 1 13/16" sizes from?

[Valkpilot]

So where do we get the 32 & 36 mm or the 1 13/16" sizes from?

I know from experience that the fische is wrong about #15

[PatrickDoss]

What I don't understand, is how is it that the nuts, 15 & 16, are listed as,

15: NUT, HEX. (22MM)
16: NUT, LOCK (40MM)

So where do we get the 32 & 36 mm or the 1 13/16" sizes from?

The fiche typically references the thread size, not the head size.  I've never had one apart, so I can't say for sure about these particular items, but all the other miscellaneous hardware I've looked at, it's the thread size.

[Valkpilot]

What I don't understand, is how is it that the nuts, 15 & 16, are listed as,

15: NUT, HEX. (22MM)
16: NUT, LOCK (40MM)

So where do we get the 32 & 36 mm or the 1 13/16" sizes from?

The fiche typically references the thread size, not the head size.  I've never had one apart, so I can't say for sure about these particular items, but all the other miscellaneous hardware I've looked at, it's the thread size.

Good to know.  I stand corrected.

[bscrive]

You don't need to take off the lock nut on the basket unless you are replacing that as well.  If you are just replacing the clutch plates don't worry about it.

[Jeff K]

[gordonv]

Yes, I have the above pics of the deep sockets.

That makes more sense, the thread size.

I'm trying to tear the engine apart that I'm parting out, can't get a loan of the sockets, and can't find them locally. I was also trying to figure out the 36mm & 1 13/16.

Why 3 socket sizes, rather than just the 2 on the fiche?

[tank_post142]

32mm OR 1-1/4 , 36mm OR 1-13/16

[gordonv]

1 13/16" = 1.8125" = 46.03 mm

The threads write about 32, 36 & 46 mm, along with the 1 13/16" sockets being used.

I don't think you can us the 36 mm in place of the 46 or 1 13/16" sockets.

If the nuts threads are 20 & 40 mm, then 32 mm socket for the 20 makes sense.

The 36 mm doesn't fit anything, and then you would only need the 46 or 1 13/16" sockets for the 40 also makes sense.

So we need a 32 shallow & a 46 deep socket, 12 points.

I might have found them online yesterday. ntxtools.com , they have the size but not the deep 12 point, so I was waiting till today to research some more, and then call them up. I think from $10 - $20.

[Ricky-D]

When considering the application of high forces upon nuts and bolts the most recognized practice would be to employ six point sockets and six point wrenches.

A six point socket will always have a more complete and complimentary action upon a hexagonal nut or bolt imparting less distortion to the bearing surfaces of the nut or bolt.

You can read that as meaning the six point will grab a whole lot better than a twelve point. Socket or wrench.

Not only that but a six point socket is stronger than a twelve point socket.  Look at impact sockets. They are all six point!

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[Valkpilot]

When considering the application of high forces upon nuts and bolts the most recognized practice would be to employ six point sockets and six point wrenches.

A six point socket will always have a more complete and complimentary action upon a hexagonal nut or bolt imparting less distortion to the bearing surfaces of the nut or bolt.

You can read that as meaning the six point will grab a whole lot better than a twelve point. Socket or wrench.

Not only that but a six point socket is stronger than a twelve point socket.  Look at impact sockets. They are all six point!

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The big sucker that holds the clutch basket on is a 12 point nut, or at least something only a 12 point socket or the special Honda tool will work on.

[Disco]

To better illustrate the actual shape of Part #16 in the fiche, here are two pictures of the official Honda special tool used to remove and reinstall it. 
This ain't your grandfather's 12 pt socket.      

And, while I agree with Ricky D about 6 pt sockets for impact and care to not round an edge, I don't believe they will work for this application. 

 



Photos courtesy of the DFW VRCC football.

[gordonv]

So Disco, since you have the above proper tool, I take it then you have had the basket off?

How many nuts do you need to remove, and there size?

I think I've gotten it down to the 32mm socket, and the 46mm (1 13/16") deep or Honda's Tool?

[Ricky-D]

Seeing that socket I would (myself) rather get the correct socket rather than trying to use a conventional 12 point socket on that nut.

That is not your normal nut and definitely not a normal 12 point configuration.

It would not be the first time I have spent a lot for a socket. I look at it as an investment.

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[Valkpilot]

So Disco, since you have the above proper tool, I take it then you have had the basket off?

How many nuts do you need to remove, and there size?

I think I've gotten it down to the 32mm socket, and the 46mm (1 13/16") deep or Honda's Tool?

Disco and I didn't have the tool when we did my clutch (click here for writeup) but we didn't need it since the basket was in good shape and didn't need to be removed.

We used a 1 1/4 socket in place of a 32 mm socket to remove the nut that holds the clutch plate stack.

[Valkpilot]

Seeing that socket I would (myself) rather get the correct socket rather than trying to use a conventional 12 point socket on that nut.

That is not your normal nut and definitely not a normal 12 point configuration.

It would not be the first time I have spent a lot for a socket. I look at it as an investment.

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For one-time use, I think I'd go the conventional socket route.  The trick is finding one.  As you've pointed out, the force required on nuts that size are better suited to a six point socket and those are more readily available.

The DFW VRCC bought the Honda tool as a talisman against anyone else in the area ever needing it. We're going to have to hang it like a gremlin bell on Ghillie's bike, I think. 

[Jeff K]

I have pulled at least a dozen clutch baskets and reinstalled them with my crappy 1 13/16 socket.
Its not a big deal.
The 36 long is for the output shaft nut.
If you want to use my socket I'll send it to you, but I would like it/them back.

[gordonv]

So the 36mm is for the output shaft from the drive shaft? If it is the drive shaft, then could you not get that one with a cresent wrench after removing more pieces from the back of the engine? I looked over the fiche, there is a 12 & 6pt. Thread size, 30 & 22 mm.

ntxtools, turns out they are closed 5:30pm EST, and I'm PST. But go figure, they are in Seattle WA?

Found a 46mm deep 12 point. $30.66 http://www.ntxtools.com/network-tool-warehouse/GPC-3146MD.html
Lots of 36mm deep. $8.70 http://www.ntxtools.com/network-tool-warehouse/SUN-236ZMD.html
A std 32mm. $2.99 http://www.ntxtools.com/network-tool-warehouse/ATD-136036.html
the 32mm deep was just over $5.

I suppose a  little more than I would want to pay for the 46mm deep, but if it works, the "package" price for the 3 would balance the cost out, and be a lot easier than making your own deep sockets.

How about those Crowsfoot wrench end? How would that do with a 46mm open end wrench? I take it you would take the drive size extention and ratchet?