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Author Topic: HELP ARIZONA!!!!!  (Read 1707 times)
Westernbiker
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« on: July 07, 2010, 11:04:19 AM »

Here is the name and address of the judge that will be sitting on the bench that hears the law suit filed by the US Government to stop Arizona's immigration law from going into affect. Please write her and tell her we need this law, it is really a federal law already, Arizona is just doing what the damn Government WON'T do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is ILLEGAL to be in this country ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the fricken bottom line people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Support this law!!!!!! If Arizona wins this more states will follow!!!!!!!!!!
It does not matter if you do not live here in Arizona, this WILL affect YOU!!!! Which way it will affect you depends on the outcome. Send this on to all in your address book!
 
HONORABLE SUSAN R. BOLTON
United States District Court
Sandra Day O'Connor U. S. Courthouse, Suite 522
401 West Washington Street, SOC 50
Phoenix, Arizona 85003-2153
(602) 332-7570
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Bobbo
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 11:39:41 AM »

A judge renders judgments based on law and legal precedence, not on the whim of letter writers.  While you are free to express your opinion, don’t think that it will sway her ruling.

The lawsuit deals with usurping federal laws, and it will be dealt with as such.  If Arizona decided to make a law giving it authority to declare war on other countries, the same type of suit would be filed.

I am not endorsing the issue of illegal immigration, but the Arizona law is not a good way to address it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 11:47:36 AM »

sent you an email with a letter

check it out and if you like it post it for others

glad to help



Bobbo

I would say the court has a very narrow thing to decide if it chooses to

That issue would be, if I were defending Arizona, its right under the 2nd amendment to be secure in its borders, which right predates the central government

Arizona is not declaring war   To suggest that is disingenuous (it means not honest)  argument.  One who is being beaten up does not declare war one who is being beaten up defends oneself.

The 2nd amendment clearly reaffirms the right of the PEOPLE and therefore the STATE to defend itself against a country which has invaded or as was the case from 1700 to 1860 indians incited by the british or french

Were I the governor I would mobilize the guard, man the border and choke the life out of the invading force.  Maybe its lucky for Mexico I am not the governor of Arizona
oss
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alph
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »

A judge renders judgments based on law and legal precedence, not on the whim of letter writers.  While you are free to express your opinion, don’t think that it will sway her ruling.


makes you kinda wonder about the new supreme court nominee doesn't it??? ???
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 12:01:28 PM »

A judge renders judgments based on law and legal precedence, not on the whim of letter writers.  While you are free to express your opinion, don’t think that it will sway her ruling.

The lawsuit deals with usurping federal laws, and it will be dealt with as such.  If Arizona decided to make a law giving it authority to declare war on other countries, the same type of suit would be filed.

I am not endorsing the issue of illegal immigration, but the Arizona law is not a good way to address it.


It may or may not be the BEST way to address it but it is what we have and I support it all the way! You have NO idea of what is happening down here and until you see it or experience it for yourself (and I wish you would) until then you have NO idea of what it is like.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 12:16:02 PM »

I have a friend who hunts with a bow and arrows. When he goes out here he has a friend (or two) as riflemen. We had a hunter here get murdered three years ago. This is in the Tucson sector. Thats 60 miles north-o-the border. I was pulled over looking at my map and 9 guys jumped in the back of my truck. They were cool and sorry to scare me , rather appologetic when I got done freaking out. They explained I was the wrong truck.
Whwt ever it takes, I say, before the citizens have enough and stake out on "ops".
BTW, Arizona's law  says the same thing the FEDERAL law says. It just has em all lathered up.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 12:30:02 PM »

Bobbo

I would say the court has a very narrow thing to decide if it chooses to

That issue would be, if I were defending Arizona, its right under the 2nd amendment to be secure in its borders, which right predates the central government

Arizona is not declaring war   To suggest that is disingenuous (it means not honest)  argument.  One who is being beaten up does not declare war one who is being beaten up defends oneself.

The 2nd amendment clearly reaffirms the right of the PEOPLE and therefore the STATE to defend itself against a country which has invaded or as was the case from 1700 to 1860 indians incited by the british or french

Were I the governor I would mobilize the guard, man the border and choke the life out of the invading force.  Maybe its lucky for Mexico I am not the governor of Arizona
oss

The second amendment covers individual rights to possess and use arms.  The phrase “security of a free State” doesn’t refer to states rights, but to maintaining freedom from tyranny from our own government.

I never claimed Arizona is declaring war; I used that comparison as a hypothetical situation that would cause the same type of lawsuit to be filed.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 12:31:52 PM »

I have a friend who hunts with a bow and arrows. When he goes out here he has a friend (or two) as riflemen. We had a hunter here get murdered three years ago. This is in the Tucson sector. Thats 60 miles north-o-the border. I was pulled over looking at my map and 9 guys jumped in the back of my truck. They were cool and sorry to scare me , rather appologetic when I got done freaking out. They explained I was the wrong truck.
Whwt ever it takes, I say, before the citizens have enough and stake out on "ops".
BTW, Arizona's law  says the same thing the FEDERAL law says. It just has em all lathered up.


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 12:35:22 PM »

Here is the letter I am sending.



 July 7, 2010



HONORABLE SUSAN R. BOLTON
United States District Court
Sandra Day O'Connor U. S. Courthouse, Suite 522
401 West Washington Street, SOC 50
Phoenix, Arizona 85003-2153


                  Re Arizona litigation


Hon Judge Bolton:


   With reference to the pending case by Justice Department v Arizona, may I respectfully remind the Court that at the time the Second Amendment was contemplated, and carried from State to State, there was no ever expanding Federal Government, a situation which unfortunately is no longer the case.

   From the time of the drawing of the Declaration of Independence through the 1820's, the STATES were the line of first defense against the British incitement of the Indians on the southern and northern and western borders.  Later the States were the first line of defense against Mexico.

   The right of the STATES to protect themselves by their State militia therefore predates the Obama Administration and like the right to bear arms is sacred and immutable. It exists to enable WE THE PEOPLE to be secure in our borders.

   In its abject and willful failure to secure the southern border of Arizona, and in particular the cessation of attempts to erect the border fence, the federal government has abdicated its right, if any to dictate the reasonable response of the STATE to defend itself.  Arizona seeks not to secede but to live and to be able to reasonably identify and therefore repel or incarcerate invaders who kill, rob, rape and pillage and which foreigners Washington refuses to even acknowledge









   The United States has been invaded by Mexico. The point of attack is currently Arizona, whether we admit it or not, and instead of filing suit the Federal government ought to be sending troops to march back to the border those who have illegally entered.

   If I were to enter Mexico without a lawful passport I would be imprisoned, all my possessions taken. I would not be entitled to free medical care, education or benefit and all proceedings would be in Spanish. I ask for reciprocity of response.

   Here in NY and elsewhere in this country, I, a lawful citizen, am required to show my identification at the supermarket when purchasing beer, when at the airport and many other occasions in my daily life.

   How absurd that this federal administration, while cowering behind road signs which warn of danger to waste our precious resources and this court's time with such a frivolous litigation against Arizona.

   Please rule in favor of Arizona and send a clear message to Washington

   Our country needs heroes and heroines badly here at home. I believe you have the ability to be one such hero to our people.  Hopefully someone in Washington will be shamed into defending its citizens and not lashing out at the victims who are the lawful citizens of your state.

   God bless the State of Arizona and God bless this country and its Courts.

                  Yours truly

                                                                         Charles Beaulieu


Please feel free to use this.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 01:48:41 PM »

http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt2_user.html#amdt2_hd2


There have been considered two parts to the 2nd amendment

The one we all know which is our individual right to bear arms

The other is the right of the state to form and muster its militia

The cornell review article is a good place to start understanding the difference without resorting to the kind of dicussion that makes so many avoid the sandbox
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 03:37:05 PM »

Letter being sent.

Phone being dialed to that number.

Come on People Arizona needs us and there are Valkyrie Folks down there.

Big AL
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 03:45:09 PM »

Number is bogus , I hope the address is right.

Big AL
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 03:47:16 PM »

I am using this letter format, with my name on it of course.

Big Al
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 03:59:50 PM »

Spent 42 cents to help a neighbor. My letter is on the way.

Excellent letter there Western Biker.



Hon Judge Bolton:


   With reference to the pending case by Justice Department v Arizona, may I respectfully remind the Court that at the time the Second Amendment was contemplated, and carried from State to State, there was no ever expanding Federal Government, a situation which unfortunately is no longer the case.

   From the time of the drawing of the Declaration of Independence through the 1820's, the STATES were the line of first defense against the British incitement of the Indians on the southern and northern and western borders.  Later the States were the first line of defense against Mexico.

   The right of the STATES to protect themselves by their State militia therefore predates the Obama Administration and like the right to bear arms is sacred and immutable. It exists to enable WE THE PEOPLE to be secure in our borders.

   In its abject and willful failure to secure the southern border of Arizona, and in particular the cessation of attempts to erect the border fence, the federal government has abdicated its right, if any to dictate the reasonable response of the STATE to defend itself.  Arizona seeks not to secede but to live and to be able to reasonably identify and therefore repel or incarcerate invaders who kill, rob, rape and pillage and which foreigners Washington refuses to even acknowledge









   The United States has been invaded by Mexico. The point of attack is currently Arizona, whether we admit it or not, and instead of filing suit the Federal government ought to be sending troops to march back to the border those who have illegally entered.

   If I were to enter Mexico without a lawful passport I would be imprisoned, all my possessions taken. I would not be entitled to free medical care, education or benefit and all proceedings would be in Spanish. I ask for reciprocity of response.

   Here in NY and elsewhere in this country, I, a lawful citizen, am required to show my identification at the supermarket when purchasing beer, when at the airport and many other occasions in my daily life.

   How absurd that this federal administration, while cowering behind road signs which warn of danger to waste our precious resources and this court's time with such a frivolous litigation against Arizona.

   Please rule in favor of Arizona and send a clear message to Washington

   Our country needs heroes and heroines badly here at home. I believe you have the ability to be one such hero to our people.  Hopefully someone in Washington will be shamed into defending its citizens and not lashing out at the victims who are the lawful citizens of your state.

   God bless the State of Arizona and God bless this country and its Courts.

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 06:47:14 PM »

Here is a online MSNBC poll. vote to see what this Gov media will show how America really feels to support AZ  cooldude  http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/05/12/4274124-do-you-support-arizonas-tough-new-law-on-illegal-immigration
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 07:36:56 PM »

As much as I agree with what Arizona is doing.... msnbc screwed up a simple question for the poll and does not relate to the law as written.... Again... they have missed the point..and the intent of the law...... typical.....
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