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Whistler
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« on: July 25, 2010, 10:59:04 AM »

So with a week, two and a half days on the road, I have had sometime to think, pick a part, and digest Sunday’s departure from InZaneX. By the way what a great InZane,  cooldude but that is another post.

First off, for those who do not know, or have not figured out, My wife and I were the couple that went down  Sad two miles from InZane on what the locals are telling me is “dead man’s curve” complete with numerous crosses for those less fortune then us. What, why, and how are a combination of a lot of circumstances all coming together at a most inopportune time.  Embarrassed

It started off with me overloading  crazy2 uglystupid2 my 2001 Standard with all the stuff we brought, plus all the stuff we bought while there, ugh. Now, we did talk about shipping some stuff home on Saturday evening and decided we waited to late as everything was closed, and it was  closed on Sunday as well. We had actually been discussing getting a trailer all the way to InZane and it has been suggested to us by more people than I can recall. Anyway, we were heavy with luggage and we also are not stick people,  Roll Eyes no offense to you fortunate slender ones angel . I am one of those if I smell food I gain five pounds kinda guys, Angry yeah yeah if I would push away from the table, but I love to eat, hum. Again, another post for another time.

Off we take for our adventure home with a slight depression  Sad knowing the week we looked forward to all year was already over and it might be another year before we see some again. Hang a left at the highway and off we go. Now I had purchased a set of Mick O Pegs cooldude on Saturday and had not yet ridden with them, but anxious to try them out. Man that is sweet, how comfortable is that! About a mile and a half from our turn a car pulls out in front of us, Undecided not real close but close enough I have to pull out in the oncoming lane and go around them. An older couple dressed for church, that was not that big a hiccup as I did not even take my feet off the Mick’s. Check the mirror, return to our lane, and lookup. Hum, 35 mph turn. Hum, now we are on a downhill section of the road running about 55-60 mph. Okay, no problem hit the front brake and take your feet off the pegs and get some back brake. When I hit the front brake I knew immediately “Oh crap, we’re heavy”! Shocked tickedoff  I knew we were heavier when we left as it took more effort to get started and balance, but I did not realize we were that heavy!  tickedoff crazy2

Now getting my big old feet and boots off the Mick O Pegs, by the way they are a great product that I recommend! This accident was not a design faulty in anyway, but a rider mistake.  Embarrassed Turned out to be a bit of an issue for me, mainly because I had not ridden with them and gotten use to them. BIG mistake on my part!  uglystupid2 Before you load the bike with your wife and way too much gear, go ride with a new accessory and get use to it!  I knew better but thought it was no big deal, they are just pegs! Anyway, I had trouble getting my boots off the pegs, not used to having a peg follow my foot up! Anyway, I was late getting to the back brake and even trying to down shift. By the time I got there I was already on the shoulder of the road in the sand. I knew we were going off roading, how did I allow myself to get here?  Shocked I am not a peg dragger with the wife on board and even by myself most of the time. Okay now I am in survival mode trying to do the least amount of damage to us and the bike. I think I said something into the mike like hang on, but my wife did just that! Tucked in tight and hanging on, no screaming or nothing! I managed to keep us upright and steered through the reflector poles on the road as we left pavement into the wet grass and tree lined ditch. Into the bottom still up right and slowing rapidly. At this point I thought okay I have got this we are going to be okay and ride this out. I think we are slowed to this point of less than 10 mph. Just a slight turn of the handlebars to come out of the ditch. The next thing I know we are on the ground with the bike on top of us. The kill switch worked as the bike shutoff I was able to push the bike up with my right leg and get the bike up high enough for us to shimmy out from under the bike. I did not feel anything at all, but Cyndi was hurt on her left shoulder, elbow, and could not feel her hand.  Cry Embarrassed Shocked That is a feeling I hope no one has to go through, knowing you made mistakes that cause harm and injury to a loved one. From this point everything is a blur. I called Willow, I remember doing that asking for some help. There were locals that stopped, fellow VRCC members, the CMA folks. Then fire, police, ambulance personnel, our InZane Staff, everyone.  Smiley cooldude They all took care of the bike and gear I went with Cyndi to the Hospital.

We survived! Intact, bruised and battered, but in one piece thank you Lord  for watching out for us. The CMA folks, along with Lori and Carolyn, all showed up at the hospital for support. Before we left we all ready had flight options, shipping options, truck options, etc. Willow got us a room for the night at the Shanty Creek for the same rate we had paid before. Lori and Carolyn took us back to the resort, 45 miles, from the hospital, got Cyndi’s scripts filled, and even brought our gear to our room. What an awesome group we have!

As the whirlwind starts to wind down I became something of a basket case realizing what I had caused and what could have happened. These great folks we call staff counseled us, me in particular. Their insights, experiences, and compassion really helped me, and Cyndi as well.

So what did I learn:
1) Don’t overload your bike, shipping is expensive, but cheaper in the long run!
2) When you buy new accessories practice with them before you load up with your passengers and gear!
3) Don’t let your confidence over ride your skills and common sense.
4) This is the best group I have ever been a part of when people really need something, this group shows up!

Cyndi, who was most insistent, and I rode home,  cooldude leaving Monday and getting home Wednesday. We dodged storms and traffic, while surviving sore muscles and bruises. Thanks to everyone who assisted us, many went way out of their way to do so, it will not be forgotten!

I am posting this so that maybe, others will not make the same mistakes I did! coolsmiley

By the way when is InZane XI we can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!! cooldude

JDW
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 11:09:18 AM »

JDW first off I am glad that you and Cindi are ok. Secondly thank you for taking the time to do this write up. I too am a big boy and ride heavy when traveling.
Take care my friend.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 11:27:20 AM »

Thank you for posting this.  I was not aware of your accident until we got home and saw the post.
I'm so glad that you and your wife weren't hurt too bad.
We've all made mistakes one time or another and we can learn by posts like yours.  Your advice on how to avoid these problems should be well taken by the members.

The help from the Staff and the members doesn't surprise me.  The VRCC is one big family.

Once again, so glad that it turned out well for both of you.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 11:34:17 AM »

Glad you are mostly ok. We also were overloaded, which made riding less fun and more hazardous. We also wore out a new tire at 4,000 miles and had to buy one on the road. We have a trailer and opted not to haul it because it uses more fuel and increases stopping distance. I will forward your post to my passenger in hopes of lighter travel.Pat
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 11:49:38 AM »

Engemt (Aka John),

Hey man... Glad you guys made it home.  Pharmboy, Dennis, Wildman, and I were well on our way.  I had completely forgotten to call you.  Wildman was up and loaded and I was just waking up trying not to be the last one getting ready.  I completely forgot to call you.  You called me and then it wasn't 20 min and I was getting a phone call from Willow and then I got one from Motomama...  I told Pharmboy at our gas stop, "I gotta call them back, it isn't normal that I get a call from both of them."  When I heard from Motomama that John and Cindi went down... their was a huge gasp of air and a feeling like you just got tagged by the cop coming the other way and now your busted... You know that feeling... well... I did.... 

But it sounded like everyone was okay.  I thought about coming back and they assured me you were in good hands...  Thank you John for keeping me posted and you have no idea how good it was to talk to you later that day.  You are one of my close friends and I am very thankful you and Cindi made it out of that deal with just bumps, scrapes, and sprains. 

Heal up brother... and you guys need to come up and visit for a weekend... I know you mentioned you wanted to work on your bike...  Sounds like a good time..

I am glad you guys are doing better and for you to recognize your faults and not be arrogant about it being someone else's fault speak volumes.  I have a hard time riding with others who think they "know" all about group riding and fail to recognize the safety or danger of it.  Just remember a humbled man is teachable unlike a prideful person...

Now... when we going to grab a burger in Allan,ks again  Wink

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 11:55:07 AM »

Thanks for the detailed post.  I learned a lot and more from the several paragraphs. 



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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 12:06:00 PM »

All great tips and thank you for sharing your experience.  Glad you and the wife were not hurt seriously and by posting this, you probably will prevent others from injury in the future.  Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 12:11:58 PM »

Engemt, kudos for riding till you could ride no more. cooldude

Your a thinking man that is for sure. Roll Eyes

you saved major damage by not giving up and just laying it down. Smiley

Good report. Cool

Maybe with a few health problems behind me, I can have a chance to shake your hand and say good job brother.

At the next Inzane,,11 is my lucky number anyway.

Big Al,,,,Crashed a few and saved a few myself.



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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 12:31:12 PM »

First of all, Glad you two are up and runnin, limping, hobbling, you know what I mean! Wink
Even more important, we will never know how many people you've SAVED by posting this excellent post! You've given me some good things to think about. Thank you.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 12:49:05 PM »

JDW, another lesson to add to your list is highway pegs should not be used on two lane roads with curves and other traffic.  They're primarily for divided 4 lane highways.  Mick-o-pegs even cautions against using their pegs in curves.  it reduces your lean angle.  In addition, brakes are best when used together.  If it is appropriate for the front brake, it is appropriate for the use of the rear brake also.  Sounds like taking an Experienced Rider Course to update your skills might be a good idea.  Glad to hear ya'll weren't seriously hurt.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 01:07:29 PM »

Rider course HAH.

Don't need no stinkin rider courses.

I just talk to people that take them and asked them what they have learned, and have learned a

few useful things that actually helped my confidence and safety.

I ride the Dragon with my feet on my highway pegs in the right gear to take advantage of engine

breaking.

Drag my highway pegs regularly, and as far as lean angle, that means nothing.

I counter steer my bike, which is the rider safety course preferred method.

Leaning is not the way to turn a motorcycle.

I drive the bike.

Saved my arse the other day when I had to react to a load that fell off a trailer, you can't lean a bike that quick,

so lets get it right and not cause another accident with misinformation.

Love you all and want to ride with you all.

Just like driving a Tractor Trailer , you actually drive the trailor by motivating the cab.

The best tool you have on a bike is your brain.

So put a Helmet on your main tool or you may find yourself tooless.

Big Al

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Whistler
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 02:03:21 PM »

JDW first off I am glad that you and Cindi are ok. Secondly thank you for taking the time to do this write up. I too am a big boy and ride heavy when traveling.
Take care my friend.

Sharkey,

Thanks we missed seeing you guys this year hopefully we get together soon for a ride somewhere.
JDW
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 02:06:46 PM »

Thank you for posting this.  I was not aware of your accident until we got home and saw the post.
I'm so glad that you and your wife weren't hurt too bad.
We've all made mistakes one time or another and we can learn by posts like yours.  Your advice on how to avoid these problems should be well taken by the members.

The help from the Staff and the members doesn't surprise me.  The VRCC is one big family.

Once again, so glad that it turned out well for both of you.

wayne, solo1

Wayne thank you sir for your kind words. I really wanted to meet you at InZane, but some how missed doing that. Somewhere some how it will happen!

JDW
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 02:10:56 PM »

Glad you are mostly ok. We also were overloaded, which made riding less fun and more hazardous. We also wore out a new tire at 4,000 miles and had to buy one on the road. We have a trailer and opted not to haul it because it uses more fuel and increases stopping distance. I will forward your post to my passenger in hopes of lighter travel.Pat

Thanks Pat. My wife does a good job of cutting down I have to admit I was the heavy packer this trip. Too many toys that were not needed and taking too much stuff home that we should have left trying to save a buck!

JDW
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 02:15:26 PM »

Engemt (Aka John),

Hey man... Glad you guys made it home.  Pharmboy, Dennis, Wildman, and I were well on our way.  I had completely forgotten to call you.  Wildman was up and loaded and I was just waking up trying not to be the last one getting ready.  I completely forgot to call you.  You called me and then it wasn't 20 min and I was getting a phone call from Willow and then I got one from Motomama...  I told Pharmboy at our gas stop, "I gotta call them back, it isn't normal that I get a call from both of them."  When I heard from Motomama that John and Cindi went down... their was a huge gasp of air and a feeling like you just got tagged by the cop coming the other way and now your busted... You know that feeling... well... I did.... 

But it sounded like everyone was okay.  I thought about coming back and they assured me you were in good hands...  Thank you John for keeping me posted and you have no idea how good it was to talk to you later that day.  You are one of my close friends and I am very thankful you and Cindi made it out of that deal with just bumps, scrapes, and sprains. 

Heal up brother... and you guys need to come up and visit for a weekend... I know you mentioned you wanted to work on your bike...  Sounds like a good time..

I am glad you guys are doing better and for you to recognize your faults and not be arrogant about it being someone else's fault speak volumes.  I have a hard time riding with others who think they "know" all about group riding and fail to recognize the safety or danger of it.  Just remember a humbled man is teachable unlike a prideful person...

Now... when we going to grab a burger in Allan,ks again  Wink

Stude31
5:00 you made a wise decision not to call neither one of us would have made the road Cyndi would have killed us both!! LOL! All is good I know you guys were pushing to get home we were not at that time! Glad to see and meet all the others. Your calls were good timing and much appreciated my friend! As far as the burger at Allen you sure they will be open! LOL!

JDW
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »

Okay Fuzzy2bucks, Rainmaker, Michael K. and Big Al thanks you for your comments prevention was my goal if it helps anyone to think twice, job done. Hope to meet you all in the future

Xring wife and I have been discussing this for both of us for a while now, as I think it would be good for us. She has no desire to ride her own bike, but if something happens and she needs to ride mine somewhere I would like for her to be able to do that safely. Thank you

Thanks again to everyone Ride Safe

JDW
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2010, 03:24:58 PM »

jdw, it was a pleasure meeting both you and cindi at inzane x. i am glad that both of you are ok. look forward to seeing both of you at next years inzane.   darrell/ big d
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2010, 03:34:38 PM »

Good job on stayin' with it and not giving up  cooldude
It was good to see the two of ya on the bike Monday morning. Climb back on the horse that threw ya off.  cooldude
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2010, 03:49:17 PM »

Having had a similar problem getting "detached" from my Mick-O-Pegs, I've found that moving my feet off the pegs sideways and out to allow the pegs to go back up, and then moving my feet to the rear and then back into the pegs is much quicker and helps prevent catching your feet and or pants leg on the MickOpeg footrest. Hope this helps, and glad you came out as well as you did.  GJ
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2010, 03:59:25 PM »

I to bought a set of mick-o-pegs..i love them..but like you they were weird to get used to..could'nt get past them following my feet up..couple of times i had trouble getting my feet off of them..but i learned a little trick..when you want your feet off. swing your feet outward so the pegs retract then bring your feet up and around the pegs.. easy to do now that iv'e caught on..sorry to hear about your mishap..
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2010, 04:15:20 PM »

Xring wife and I have been discussing this for both of us for a while now, as I think it would be good for us. She has no desire to ride her own bike, but if something happens and she needs to ride mine somewhere I would like for her to be able to do that safely. Thank you

Thanks again to everyone Ride Safe

JDW

If she doesn't know how to ride, she could go through the Beginning Riders Course then, if the instructors allow it, ride on the back of your Valk while you perform the exercises in the ERC.  It will help you both. 

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2010, 05:33:48 PM »

Glad to hear your alright and rode home. Nothing better then getting over the fear of riding after a accident. I guess it depends what you consider 'over loaded'. You got pix? To me its being unable to control. I've hauled 10 days of camp gear and stuff 2 up before and been fine. It was stacked taller then Kits head! The 1st 10 miles took a bit to get the feel but once we open her up its all good. We learn every year how to pack. 3 road trips a year with 10-12 days in SD. We bring the bare essentals. Small toiletries, ect. Our clothes and stuff fit in a small 21" travel trunk, tools/parts in the bags, leather on top of the bags, helmets & rain gear on the small hitch rack. Tossed around the idea of not taking the hitch rack in a week or so but makes a nice carrier at the grocery store. Most weekend trips we just pack a cooler and the bags.
The more you road trip the better you get at packing.
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2010, 05:53:49 PM »

Glad it turned out okay!
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2010, 06:09:14 PM »

Dammit, John, be careful, you might end up lookin like me, crooked limbs and scars look bad in the mirror! Hoser  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2010, 07:10:13 PM »

EngEmt, sounds like your two vocations stood you and your wife in good stead, glad the injuries were minor, and what you've learned, we've all learned as a result of your observations and analysis. I enjoyed meeting the two of you, and am looking forward to seeing you both again. Take care!
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2010, 07:54:44 PM »

I also have the Mic O Pegs, and truthfully, realized almost right away, that they are an accessory that is best used on the highway, and only the highway. There are too many things (unforeseen) that can pop up at an instant when traveling on smaller, rural, or twisty roads, that require quick reactions , and concentration in order to avoid the obstacle at hand quickly. I use mine when trying to relieve leg fatigue, or cramps, while driving on highways only. Typically, the need for abrupt and quick braking on freeways can be more easily anticipated. Also, the Mic O Pegs will hinder your ability to achieve the correct lean angle in curves for obvious reasons. They are a great product, but I think the lesson might also be that they should be considered a "freeway" accessory, and not really appropriate for rural curvy roads.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2010, 11:02:24 AM »

Good to read lessons. Thanks for sharing.

DW
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2010, 02:53:30 PM »

Thanks for sharing and I am so glad you came out of it ok.
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2010, 10:24:42 AM »

I counter steer my bike, which is the rider safety course preferred method.

Leaning is not the way to turn a motorcycle.

Please tell me you're joking around... or I misunderstood you.
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