Keep Arizona safe

[Gear Jammer]

For those so inclined

www.KeepAZsafe.com

Legal fund to fight the injunction in Appelate court

[JimC]

WOW, 1.3 million collected already and that does not count mail in contributions.
Jim

[x]

Looks like a scam to me.  In almost any other state, the governor could not be endorsing a website/movement that does not even have the cahones to identify its backers.
 
A shill rip off that will end up in Jan's pockets.  She learns fast from Sarah Palin.

[Trynt]

Looks like a scam to me.  In almost any other state, the governor could not be endorsing a website/movement that does not even have the cahones to identify its backers.
 
A shill rip off that will end up in Jan's pockets.  She learns fast from Sarah Palin.

Perhaps it was from Charley Rangel!

[Walküre]

I'd love to see the actual breakdown of contributions. Right now, it averages $46.13 a donor. Averages, mind you.

Now, if someone such as Rush, or Beck, donated $1,000,000, then the average of the OTHER donors is $13.00.

As was mentioned, the LAST time I saw a governor collecting for "legal defenses", she quit her job, and make $12,000,000 in around 6 months. Not a bad job, if you can get it.

OPM...aint' if fun.

R

[JimC]

All donations collected through this website will be deposited into the Border Security and Immigration Legal Defense fund to be used by Arizona on Border Security and Immigration matters.

I distrust most politicians also, but after reading the website and finding the above statement, I would think that anyone that used those funds for anything but the intended stated purpose would be committing theft or fraud?

Jim

[Oss]

I put my money where my mouth is (so to speak) and would not hesitate to help in some small way the same way i would help any member who is doing a walk a thon or some such good cause if I have the ability   The pity is when a person has the ability and fails to help.


It may only be 20 or 25 bucks but you add up enough of them and you have a difference that you have made


Bonnie and I have a time share week we must use or lose so we are going to fly to Phoenix in October and spend a week in Sedona just to make sure that our vacation money (goes someplace other than California) helps an economy that needs our help.

Hope to meet some of you when we are there.

[Michael K (Az.)]

I put my money where my mouth is (so to speak) and would not hesitate to help in some small way the same way i would help any member who is doing a walk a thon or some such good cause if I have the ability   The pity is when a person has the ability and fails to help.


It may only be 20 or 25 bucks but you add up enough of them and you have a difference that you have made


Bonnie and I have a time share week we must use or lose so we are going to fly to Phoenix in October and spend a week in Sedona just to make sure that our vacation money (goes someplace other than California) helps an economy that needs our help.

Hope to meet some of you when we are there.

Well then, you'd best be giving me a shout come October!!

[Bobbo]

Arizona could be kept safe if the source of the problem was eliminated.  The problem is the millions of Americans who LOVE drugs brought in by the Mexican cartels.  The secondary problem is the American businessmen who LOVE the cheap Mexican labor.   These are the main criminals that need to be dealt with.  The Mexicans are simply fulfilling a need (capitalism).  Since it’s difficult to look into the mirror when finger pointing, the only solution to the drug problem is decriminalization of drugs.  It’s unlikely to increase usage by non-users, and would reduce or eliminate many crimes to get the expensive drugs.  I realize this isn’t the utopian solution, but it may be the only practical one.  In addition, we need to establish a way of detecting and severely punishing business owners and others who hire illegals.  I know this is difficult to enforce, but a few high profile convictions with jail time and hefty fines would discourage many business owners.

[Oss]

It isnt just mexicans coming in bobbo. That is just the border which is the most popular

Our southern states need  a real fence, and have the right to a secure border and a recognition that each STATE has the right to secure its international border where the federal government does not do so.  I have high hopes that Arizona attorneys will figure out a narrow strategy to keep their law alive.

Who was it that said the smallest hole can be used to sail a battleship through (sorry for the dangling particible or preposition Willow)

Then also we desperately need a place like Ellis Island where all coming thru would have to stay until cleared customs/immigration if they dont have a passport or valid travel documents   I nominate Puerto Rico because there they already speak Spanish  flame away


And Mexicans should know that we will do to them what mexico does to those who enter illegally and it aint pretty

Anyone else want to help Arizona dont tell us about it just do it

[sandy]

Thanks for all the concerns about our great state. The problem isn't limited to us. A town SE of El Paso (FT Hancock I think) use to have Border Patrol presence. They disappeared recently. The border fence ends near their town. Seventeen deputies patrol 98 miles of border with no Fed help. The sheriff has a $250,000 bounty on his head by the Drug Cartel. He's advised his town to arm themselves because his staff is stretched too thin to protect the community. We aren't the only ones to need help.

[fstsix]

Can't help but laugh at Bo's comment  Government corruption is the real problem with the country, Politicians, taxation without representation, When our leaders spend more time in court fighting for their freedom, it doesn't give them much quality time for their constituents, I remember when i closed my store down in California after the 92 riots, i was in Colorado and thinking if California is the Apple cart of America as has been stated because of the size of it's economy WE ARE SCREWED!  It gave me more joy when the Governator of Ca said why is all the small business leaving? And now it looks as if the whole country is one big Clifornication. Here is just one example of why America has Real problems. please add more of each party and we could have nice long thread.http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/12/us/former-rhode-island-governor-pleads-guilty-in-corruption-case.html

[Bobbo]

I’m guessing, fstsix, that you are referring to me as “Bo”.  If not, please disregard the following.

First, I agree that there is a lot of corruption in our government.  Since this thread deals with the border problem of Arizona, can you explain the connection of corrupt government to illegal drug use?  With hiring illegal workers?  I can understand a tax connection to hiring lllegals since the business tax structure is prohibitively expensive, but that is not a corruption problem.

To Oss:  I hope we don’t descend into mimicking Mexico’s laws.  This country was founded on freedom and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.  I know it’s easy to snap back with the idea of “doing the same back to them”, but resisting that impulse is one of the things that makes our country great.

[fstsix]

Well Bo, that be you! funny thing happened last month, working on a lab for a compounding RX, we were talking about drug use in America with the Pharmacist, and 2 days before i was working for a Insurance Underwriter, She said they have a black list of Doctors that constantly try to bill the Ins Industry for prescriptions when the Doctors have had their license suspended or revoked, Now as i was talking to the Pharmacist he confirmed that this is a big problem in the Medical profession, Now also as far as the Crack being made in America i can assure you that we have plenty to go around, Lets see i will try to get back to your thought? Public servants, you know Police fire The Mayor the Governor has had it's problems too, here again is on the Government worker on payroll showing the demise of the trust we are dealing with just on the local level. The disgusting thing is that one of these officers was the High School campus police. Also Big's was our truck driver for 10 years at our Co, we had NO idea. his brother was the cop on the HS campus.http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/03/three-providence-police-office.html

[Bobbo]

Corrupt “feel good” doctors aren’t part of the government, as I’m sure you realize.  The story you relayed actually showed the system working, with the black listed doctors being denied their claims.

Cocaine, weed, meth, and heroin are the major illicit drugs the Mexican cartels bring into this country.  Meth is produced here in large quantities, but there is such a high demand, that the cartels still bring it in.  You still haven’t demonstrated how a corrupt government leads to drug use in the USA.

[fstsix]

The Mexico Government Is Not Corrupt LOL!!!! you must be bored  Last i seen The Mexico Government was the problem with why the people suffer there, and want to better their lives and come here. Our corrupted Lawmakers that get bought off by special interest are just as guilty for not helping secure the border as the Drug cartels that pass the same currency through their hands. As usual follow the money.Looks like the Mexico President just looovvveess OUR President scary! BTW if we loose this Battle in court over over AZ and they determine that it is not Illegal for a Illegal foreigner to be arrested or guilty for breaking this Federal Law....it just opens the door for anything Goes, no one is guilty for any law, "Political Correction gone Insane".

[Chrisj CMA]

Arizona could be kept safe if the source of the problem was eliminated.  The problem is the millions of Americans who LOVE drugs brought in by the Mexican cartels.  The secondary problem is the American businessmen who LOVE the cheap Mexican labor.   These are the main criminals that need to be dealt with.  The Mexicans are simply fulfilling a need (capitalism).  Since it’s difficult to look into the mirror when finger pointing, the only solution to the drug problem is decriminalization of drugs.  It’s unlikely to increase usage by non-users, and would reduce or eliminate many crimes to get the expensive drugs.  I realize this isn’t the utopian solution, but it may be the only practical one.  In addition, we need to establish a way of detecting and severely punishing business owners and others who hire illegals.  I know this is difficult to enforce, but a few high profile convictions with jail time and hefty fines would discourage many business owners.

I totally disagree with the notion that decriminalizing horrible narcotic abuse can or would do anything to effect illegal immigration.

The answers are all already on the books.  Its very simple (but noteasy!) All that has to happen is for laws that already exist to be inforced period!

The left is waiting for "comprehensive immigration reform"  which is a code name for amnesty...officials that are more conservative and want the borders secure, dont have the balls to really make it happen

This is the recipie:

Finish the fence

Put more border patrol on the border and NG..then let them actually do the job, and back THEM up when problems arise

Actually prosecute anyone that breaks the law as far as hiring, housing, id theft.......to the full extent of the law

severely punish drug dealers and users.........severely enough that they wont do it again...JAIL

Fire, Impeach, prosecute, GET RID OF any government official that purposefully impeads the inforcement of the law......that is the most direct definition of their job, if they wont do it, CAN THEM

Bottom line we have enough (too many) laws already.........if we just inforce the law the problem gets way smaller

[Michael K (Az.)]

Interesting article.
Here's the tricky part, you actually have to READ this.
C'mon na, give that reading deal a shot.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/30/hethmon.arizona.ruling/index.html?hpt=T2

This seems to be a reasoned initial analysis absent of hyperbole as far as I can see.

[Gear Jammer]

Looks like a scam to me.  In almost any other state, the governor could not be endorsing a website/movement that does not even have the cahones to identify its backers.
  
A shill rip off that will end up in Jan's pockets.  She learns fast from Sarah Palin.

and it's  "cojones"  gringo    

[Bobbo]

It sounds as though both of you (fstsix and ChrisJ) prefer a heavy handed Orwellian police state.  Guards on every corner, fences or walls on all borders, and cameras watching your every move.  Make sure you carry your citizenship papers.  Even better, maybe a citizenship tattoo or microchip implant would make you happy.  I’m sure you can find your version of a utopian “safe” country outside the USA.  I prefer to live in the real world of freedom, and the consequences that come with it.

ChrisJ:  My post dealt with two separate issues; drug cartels crossing the border, and illegal workers crossing the border.  The decriminalization of drugs was a suggestion to reduce the former.

fstsix:  Please read the post from Michael K (Az.).

Judge Bolton barred only the sections I also disagreed with.  I have no problem with the remainder of the bill.

[Oss]

thanks Mike  I enjoyed reading that through when you sent it to me

There always many sides to examining a court decision and many ways to walk around it if one looks creatively and dont mind the research

Good to know there are teams of lawyers much smarter than Oss (which doesnt take all that much- I mean I cant even change an interstate headlight bulb) looking at the way to tweak the Arizona law to make it Federal lawsuit - resistant

Keep up the good work out there

[Chrisj CMA]

It sounds as though both of you (fstsix and ChrisJ) prefer a heavy handed Orwellian police state.  Guards on every corner, fences or walls on all borders, and cameras watching your every move. 

sarcasm eh.....ok, well to be clear, I would rather we didnt need a fence nor guards at the border, but drastic circumstances demand drastic actions.  The whole concept of "oh we cant be heavy handed about this" is what put us in this predicament. (political correctness at its "best")

Once we get the flow of crime, drugs and sheer volume of illegals under control then we could back off a little to more conventional border and immigration control

I said nothing of cameras, but we already have that...tattoos....and all the other stuff.....I take it that was a joke, if not.....it should have been.

I want a free country free from government oppression, free from militant inforcement, but the situation being forced upon us by this border problem is pushing our backs to the wall...........if we dont inforce the law before its too late, we will just be handing over the country and there will be all new laws, you and I will be the illegal aliens

[fstsix]

It sounds as though both of you (fstsix and ChrisJ) prefer a heavy handed Orwellian police state.  Guards on every corner, fences or walls on all borders, and cameras watching your every move.  Make sure you carry your citizenship papers.  Even better, maybe a citizenship tattoo or microchip implant would make you happy.  I’m sure you can find your version of a utopian “safe” country outside the USA.  I prefer to live in the real world of freedom, and the consequences that come with it.

ChrisJ:  My post dealt with two separate issues; drug cartels crossing the border, and illegal workers crossing the border.  The decriminalization of drugs was a suggestion to reduce the former.

fstsix:  Please read the post from Michael K (Az.).

Judge Bolton barred only the sections I also disagreed with.  I have no problem with the remainder of the bill.

Partially true, You just described my day to day routine at the Federal Bldg in downtown Providence this week working for Mommy, on the 4th floor above Homeland security and next to the IRS this last couple of weeks , Yep cameras Armed Police i go through every morning and a Extensive criminal back round check including asking me where i was born, and my Mother!! I just want who ever comes to this Country to be treated the same as i am, and have Integrity to be able to walk through the doors i do every day!! is that too much to ask, or am i trying to hard to be Legal?

[fuzzy2bucks]

Lived in AZ for 12 years, hiked the Grand Canyon top to bottom 8 times, put 300K + on my work vehicle traveling in every County.  Once saw one (1) Border Patrolman have about 30 Illegal Aliens go down on their knees and put their hands behind their heads while he radioed for  " h e l p ".  I worked on a 10,000 acre Citrus Farm where illegals came directly from Mexico via a 100 mile walk in rugged country with milk jugs of water strapped to their body, we'd see them crossing I-8 at night on their way to pick Citrus.
I'd give to the fund because AZ is only the entrance point for those Illegal Aliens that cost us Tax Payers around 900 Billion a year to feed, house, doctor, and educate them.

The strangest experience I had in AZ was near the town of Kelvin.  I pulled in with my work truck to pick up some Weather Equipment that wasn't being used any longer and the gentleman that owned the property said that he had lost his job in the mines and had to give away four of his five wives.. to make ends meet...and one of the lovely ladies was staring at me.

[Gear Jammer]

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