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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 05:45:42 AM » |
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I think you don't bring a motorcycle to a car fight. Seriously, I have been guilty of going off on
drivers who cut me off while I was on a bike, but that is a stupid thing to do. It's not a fair fight. I have also left my size 11 boot dent in the drivers side door of several taxi cabs in NYC. If they cut me off I would catch up to them at the next light, leave my "autograph" then speed off. It made me feel better and they couldn't catch me anyway. But then, I was in my 20's and invulnerable.
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 06:04:24 AM » |
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Well, the rider did his job to begin with...he avoided the cage when it cut him off the first time. He should have called it a day and stayed away from the cage...after all, you KNOW at that point that the cage driver is either outright dangerous or incompetent.
Then he got stupid...getting beside the guy and flipping him off might be somehow satisfying, but it's not smart.
Still, it's the cage driver that made the decision then...well...basically to kill the guy. Deliberately trying to hit somebody with a cage is in the same book as pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger. He made the decision to kill and deployed the weapon to do it.
Sad sad sad.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 06:14:28 AM » |
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Meyer said it.
Anger can cause "stupid", we've all been there.
The bike rider was stupid and the cage driver was stupid.
Controlled anger can get satisfying results-uncontrolled anger gets no good reults.
Unfortunately this example had a horrible consequence.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 10:24:31 AM » |
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Blame and guilt are separate issues. The rider may bear some blame for putting himself in a a bad position.
Guilt, legal guilt, belongs to the cage driver. Last I checked, no amount of hand gestures are accepted as a legal defense for homicide.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 12:29:14 PM » |
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Obviously, the biker was at fault since he wasn't wearing a helmet. I'm assuming the cager was, since Mr. Kapps didn't report otherwise.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 01:35:50 PM » |
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Did I misread something in the report. It said the SUV swerved to the left to hit the biker and they're looking for a SUV with damage on the right front? Every day that I get on my bike I "expect" the people in autos to do stupid stuff and when they do I just try to shake it off best I can so I can ride again the next time I choose.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 03:56:34 PM » |
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Well, the rider did his job to begin with...he avoided the cage when it cut him off the first time. He should have called it a day and stayed away from the cage...after all, you KNOW at that point that the cage driver is either outright dangerous or incompetent.
Then he got stupid...getting beside the guy and flipping him off might be somehow satisfying, but it's not smart.
Still, it's the cage driver that made the decision then...well...basically to kill the guy. Deliberately trying to hit somebody with a cage is in the same book as pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger. He made the decision to kill and deployed the weapon to do it.
Sad sad sad.
Blame and guilt are separate issues. The rider may bear some blame for putting himself in a a bad position.
Guilt, legal guilt, belongs to the cage driver. Last I checked, no amount of hand gestures are accepted as a legal defense for homicide.
Well said Daniel and Carl I agree . |
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 05:54:54 PM » |
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If someone was to deliberatly try and hit me or run me off the road, I'd reach down to my left hip.........
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 06:00:02 PM » |
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+1 willow...
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 06:01:14 PM » |
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I actually saw a incident unfold once, many years ago and at the time I was not a Bike Rider
but a Fisherman for a hobby of choice.
But the point is I was a rider and racer of motorcycles before I witnessed this incident.
So I know what a rider goes through on the black top of Transportation.
A Harley Rider with a Female passenger was on Highway 25W , going North on said Highway.
A lady in a small sedan was swerving at the Hog Rider for some reason and would not have
stopped her insane behavior if not for me getting between her and the bike with
some fancy driven in my Party Wagon on Wheels 1978 Chevy Van.
She finally relented at that point and the biker went his merry way.
Saved a life that day is all I could think about for that evening.
No Thanks Required but there are some crazy folks on the asphalt these days.
Beware who you throw the BIRD TOO>
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2010, 06:37:15 PM » |
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Both..........and you all know why.
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it's always easy if someone else is doing it.....
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2010, 06:52:34 PM » |
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Well, the rider did his job to begin with...he avoided the cage when it cut him off the first time. He should have called it a day and stayed away from the cage...after all, you KNOW at that point that the cage driver is either outright dangerous or incompetent.
Then he got stupid...getting beside the guy and flipping him off might be somehow satisfying, but it's not smart.
Still, it's the cage driver that made the decision then...well...basically to kill the guy. Deliberately trying to hit somebody with a cage is in the same book as pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger. He made the decision to kill and deployed the weapon to do it.
Sad sad sad.
+1. We have to have the same mentality as someone staring down the barrel of a loaded gun.  At those times it is not cool to be macho. There are some really mentally deranged people out there  and it is not worth dying for. |
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« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 06:58:48 PM by Valkahuna »
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 07:03:55 PM » |
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Blame and guilt are separate issues. The rider may bear some blame for putting himself in a a bad position.
Guilt, legal guilt, belongs to the cage driver. Last I checked, no amount of hand gestures are accepted as a legal defense for homicide.
Well put Willow. But the biker is still dead. When on two wheels you have to make some decisions based on common sense, and self preservation, rather than who is right. |
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The key thing is to wake up breathing! All the rest can be fixed. (Except Stupid - You can't fix that)
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 07:17:26 PM » |
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Valkahuna & Willow +1
You know the saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"
Same thing as M/C versus Car/Truck
"the inspector"
better to do as Fudgie and snipe em from a distance.....
that'll teach um!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 08:29:40 PM » |
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The cager is a murderer but the biker shouldn't have taken a knife to a gunfight.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2010, 10:36:03 PM » |
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i've had a few people cut me off before. i've gotten pretty p-o'ed over it also but never tried to pick a fight with a car!! that would be just stupid!! what i'll do is wave to them in a way of saying "hello! do you see me now??" then just speed up to make distance while watching the rear mirror all the while. if they speed up, i'll speed up to keep my distance.
my favorite is when two lanes turn left and the person in the inside lane comes into my lane!! that one happens to me quite often. now, i just expect it and watch for it to happen keeping one finger on the horn, and a good exit plan just in case.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2010, 11:23:58 PM » |
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my favorite is when two lanes turn left and the person in the inside lane comes into my lane!! that one happens to me quite often.
No kidding Alph, that particular lousy driving is one of my serious pet peeves... and it doesn't matter if you're in a car or a bike. I think half the freekin world doesn't know they are required to stay in their lane in a multilane turn at an intersection.
Ninety-five percent of the time someone tries to kill me, I see it coming and get out of the way and act fairly nicely with a magnanimous "sure take the whole road" sweep of my arm gesture. But once in a while if they actually almost do kill me, I am not so polite..... but whatever my words or hand signals (and there are some), I do not position my bike where they can get me intentionally (like riding up to the drivers window or tailgaiting).
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