Now that is Change I Can Believe In!!!

[98valk]

In 96 months of excessive spending and gubmint bloat President Bush and Congress amassed:
$2.472 Trillion in deficit spending
In a mere 18 months the Government of Responsibility has amassed:
$2.188 Trillion in deficit spending
That maps to $1.459 Trillion in average annual deficits.

All eight years of Big Spending Bush's Aug/Sep deficits added together are $221,155. President Obama needs an Aug/Sep 2010 deficit combo of $283,207 to match Bush's total Presidential deficit (96 months) in just 20 months.

I am confident he can accomplish this feat. His policies actually created a deficit in his very first September - an accomplishment that last occurred in Septeber 1991. Even Big Spendin' Bush couldn't accomplish this - even in the worst months of 2008. Amazing...

http://boghieonyoursix.blogspot.com/2010/08/era-of-fiscal-responsability.html

and left wingers just remember WE WERE ATTACKED and the war machine had to be ramped up which costs millions and added to the deficit.

[Jeff K]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

[98valk]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

please list those problems/mess and the spending required.

[Disco]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

Sure is working, isn't it...   

[Jeff K]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

I was just jumping on the "blame bush" train before the usual players showed up. 

[fstsix]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

I was just jumping on the "blame bush" train before the usual players showed up. 

I get a kick out every time the progressives say we gotta dig ourselves out of this mess?? How does anyone DIG out out of a hole?

[G-Man]

As responsible parents, we teach our children that they mustn't spend more than they earn.  We warn them about borrowing money that they can't pay back.  Why do these basic principles get lost upon politicians?

[Brad]

How does anyone DIG out out of a hole?

How else are we going to get to China....they have all our money   

[98valk]

As responsible parents, we teach our children that they mustn't spend more than they earn.  We warn them about borrowing money that they can't pay back.  Why do these basic principles get lost upon politicians?

In what he calls the psychopathology of the liberal mind, Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D., a psychiatrist and the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness," says: "In his determination to control the world, [the liberal] constantly defends himself against what Karen Horney aptly described as the most basic of human fears: being alone and helpless in a dangerous, indifferent world, the nightmare of the abandoned, terrified child. Persons plagued with such fears easily conclude that it is in their greatest interest to dominate others, or to imagine that they can, and to set about achieving that goal through the manipulation of government power."

And what does this domination and manipulation lead to? Rossiter says it is nothing less than the "liberal agenda's principles of coercive collectivism [in which] the citizen's choices will be influenced by ideals of entitlement, welfare dependency, state regulation [and] moral relativism."

The liberal, Rossiter adds, is "not called to maturity but is instead invited to begin a second childhood. Like the child at play, he is given, or at least promised, ultimate economic, social and political security without having to assume responsibility for himself."

Rossiter's "diagnoses" complement those found in the diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM-IV) of the American Psychiatric Association.

http://www.nevilleawards.com/liberal_pathology.shtml

[big turkey]

Honestly Who Really Cares.

Just go out and vote them out.

Big AL

[Jess from VA]

Psychopathology of the liberal mind, Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D

Very good reading... been out a while.

Read it to know and understand your (our) enemies. 

[Chattanooga Mark]

You mean we can tax and spend our way to prosperity, the more we spend the better off we'll be!!!

Hip Hip Hooray, this is awesome news brought to you by the insane.



Savage is right; liberalism is a mental disorder.


Mark

[valkmc]

As responsible parents, we teach our children that they mustn't spend more than they earn.  We warn them about borrowing money that they can't pay back.  Why do these basic principles get lost upon politicians?

In what he calls the psychopathology of the liberal mind, Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D., a psychiatrist and the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness," says: "In his determination to control the world, [the liberal] constantly defends himself against what Karen Horney aptly described as the most basic of human fears: being alone and helpless in a dangerous, indifferent world, the nightmare of the abandoned, terrified child. Persons plagued with such fears easily conclude that it is in their greatest interest to dominate others, or to imagine that they can, and to set about achieving that goal through the manipulation of government power."

And what does this domination and manipulation lead to? Rossiter says it is nothing less than the "liberal agenda's principles of coercive collectivism [in which] the citizen's choices will be influenced by ideals of entitlement, welfare dependency, state regulation [and] moral relativism."

The liberal, Rossiter adds, is "not called to maturity but is instead invited to begin a second childhood. Like the child at play, he is given, or at least promised, ultimate economic, social and political security without having to assume responsibility for himself."

Rossiter's "diagnoses" complement those found in the diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM-IV) of the American Psychiatric Association.

http://www.nevilleawards.com/liberal_pathology.shtml

I quit blaming the liberals, unless you count all politicians as liberal. Every president since and including Reagan has expanded gov and spent money they did not have. Clinton did not have a deficit because the economy was booming but he also spent mucho tax payer dollars.

To bad we could not get a constitutional amendment that allows gov to spend only what they take in.....I know it will never happen.

[NCGhostrider]

I had to have a flat fixed on my work truck today, I am sure that G.W. Bush is responsible for the problem !  Personally, I don't give a crap about why we went to Iraq...  We needed to go for humanitarian reasons if for no other.  The S.O.B. Saddam was planting people in mass graves.  I wish that the war had been sold to us for that reason and 9/11.   Truth is, it makes no difference, the USA is no longer of one mind, we have truly diversified and our cohesion is now in danger of breaking. 

Personally, I find fault with all politicians.  The best way to ruin an honest person is to vote them into office.  They then learn to mend, deal and barter their way into being a politician.  I am sure situations cause this, but I am tired of it. 

On any day of the week, I would rather have G.W. Bush by my side than Barack Hussein Obama.  And before I am called racist, let me clarify.  I would not have minded, and would have voted for, a true southern black working class gentleman (who btw will never be elected), than BHO.  At that point, truth, and a closer representation of my standards, be they different from yours, perhaps would be represented.  But now, we are back to that diversified thing again.


I am thru rambling...and I fear there are no all encompassing good answers to any political thought or question... but I know what makes me happy, further, I don't have to please anyone but myself at this point... 

[Sludge]

How does anyone DIG out out of a hole?

How else are we going to get to China....they have all our money   

ROFL  Awesome POST!!!   

[john]

Just wanted to let you all know ...
today I received my 2010 Obama Stimulus Package...     
It contained two watermelon seeds...     
cornbread mix ...     
and 10 coupons to KFC....     
The directions were in Spanish       

[Scanner]

....so who's budget do you think it was during Sept of Obama's first year?   

I know it's useless to try and explain how budgets and interest work, but if you believe that in Sept of Obama's first year the country was under his budget and not Bushies, well, you are even more...uh...."misinformed" than usual. 

By the way, the reality is that Bush and the repubs DOUBLED the national debt , Reagan TRIPLED the national debt....fiscal conservatives eh?
 
In January 1981, when Reagan declared the federal budget to be "out of control," the deficit had reached almost $74 billion, the federal debt $930 billion. Within two years, the deficit was $208 billion. The debt by 1988 totaled $2.6 trillion. In those eight years of the Reagan admin, the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the largest debtor nation.

Bush very nearly destroyed our country.  Obama is doing all he can to bring us back from the economic precipice.  He might even have to spend as much as Bush wasted on his war in Iraq.

Whine on, but at least make a little effort to be correct when doing it.

It's a big problem for our county having so many completely misinformed citizens who apparently get their education from emails and talk radio....very sad

[alph]

By the way, the reality is that Bush and the repubs DOUBLED the national debt , Reagan TRIPLED the national debt....fiscal conservatives eh?

I had been saying that same thing for years.  But, just because some holy rollers believe that their candidate was pro-life (with no proof) that's the person they should vote for, and they scared the crap out of their congregation into voting for them.  So, even after 20 years of conservative pro-life republican leaders, abortion is still completely legal, and our country is completely bankrupt because of it!  Don’t go blaming it on obama, under Clinton we at least stayed level and did not increase the debt.  I didn't vote for obama, but don't go blaming him for our financial demise.

[Chattanooga Mark]

I didn't like Bush because he spent WAY too much money. Now with these clowns in office they spend money like an entire fleet of drunken sailors. Bush opened the door to our fiscal demise, Obama kicked the door off the frame and tripled spending and debt.

 Wake up and stop drinking the Obama Kool Aid.

Mark

[Trynt]

The federal government is currently borrowing nearly 40 cents of every dollar it spends. The debt will rise to 14.3 trillion dollars.  That is over $45,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S.  Certainly even those on the left can see that, if allowed to continue, it will be the financial ruin of all but the super-rich. Obviously both parties are responsible for this. November can't come soon enough.  We need to vote these irresponsible, corrupt, cowardly, power hungry pr$cks out of office and stop this insanity.

Figures above are from that right wing, racist, hate mongering, berserker, blog, the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/debt-limit-increased-sena_n_441441.html                                                                                                                                                             

[alph]

  That is over $45,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. 

does that include all those illegal aliens???

[Tundra]

Did somebody say "debt" Check this out. Take a look at these numbers

http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Might take a while, these are big numbers.

[Trynt]

  That is over $45,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. 

does that include all those illegal aliens???

Pleeeaaase, "undocumented workers" you hater.

[x]

I thought these political posts were going to be axed from the board.  And yet, we have CA Exhausted rambling and ranting, choosing facts that support (as so many political posts do).
 
It is clear that complex problems don't lend themselves to forum solutions... they always degenerate into a slugfest.
 
And it seems to me that CA Exhausted and Coated is posting, not to make a point, but to stir a pointless pot.

Give it a rest, CA... you got your politics, I got mine.  See you at the polls.

[Charlie]

As responsible parents, we teach our children that they mustn't spend more than they earn.  We warn them about borrowing money that they can't pay back.  Why do these basic principles get lost upon politicians?

In what he calls the psychopathology of the liberal mind, Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D., a psychiatrist and the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness," says: "In his determination to control the world, [the liberal] constantly defends himself against what Karen Horney aptly described as the most basic of human fears: being alone and helpless in a dangerous, indifferent world, the nightmare of the abandoned, terrified child. Persons plagued with such fears easily conclude that it is in their greatest interest to dominate others, or to imagine that they can, and to set about achieving that goal through the manipulation of government power."

And what does this domination and manipulation lead to? Rossiter says it is nothing less than the "liberal agenda's principles of coercive collectivism [in which] the citizen's choices will be influenced by ideals of entitlement, welfare dependency, state regulation [and] moral relativism."

The liberal, Rossiter adds, is "not called to maturity but is instead invited to begin a second childhood. Like the child at play, he is given, or at least promised, ultimate economic, social and political security without having to assume responsibility for himself."

Rossiter's "diagnoses" complement those found in the diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM-IV) of the American Psychiatric Association.

http://www.nevilleawards.com/liberal_pathology.shtml

Using psychology in an arguement will get you nowhere.  Check this bs out!  The comments at the end are pretty interesting though.  Sounds a lot like this board, only with psychologists talking!!

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml

[KW]

So Scanner, anyone who disagrees with you or the Delia-Bama is stupid? We're too dumb to gather the facts and be opposed to your core beliefs and (lack of) values? Wow . . . . I can't even respond to that, other than to thank you for posting it. It sums up everything that's wrong with your looney beliefs.   

[Scanner]

So Scanner, anyone who disagrees with you or the Delia-Bama is stupid? We're too dumb to gather the facts and be opposed to your core beliefs and (lack of) values? Wow . . . . I can't even respond to that, other than to thank you for posting it. It sums up everything that's wrong with your looney beliefs.   

uh...lol, what are you talking about?  I didn't call anyone stupid or dumb - those are your words.  But go ahead and make up any crap you want...it seems to work for those of your persuasion.  The truth doesn't matter as long as you get to rant, soooo, rant on...

[G-Man]

....so who's budget do you think it was during Sept of Obama's first year? 

It was the democratic congress' budget.

[G-Man]

That is over $45,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. 

Unfortunately, no it is not.  Since half of the population DOES NOT PAY TAXES, it's $90,000 for the ones that do.  This is why the tax paying voters will be out in droves this November.

When Harry takes from Peter to pay Paul, Harry will always get Paul's support.  But now Peter has wisened up.  Look out Harry, Peter is awake and he is ANGRY!

[KW]

Your words. . . .  "It's a big problem for our county having so many completely misinformed citizens who apparently get their education from emails and talk radio....very sad" - Scanner

So, people who disagree with you just can’t see your facts because they’re misinformed and get their information via e-mails and talk radio. Right? What am I missing? Unbelievable. Like most (but not all) of the lefties that for whatever reason want to enlighten all of us backwoods inbreeds, you think that if we disagree with you (or the talking points of MSNBC) we simply aren’t understanding the issues. Does that about sum it up? I’ve never – not once – lost a debate to a liberal. Your positions are VOID of a factual basis and rely on emotionalism and posturing. And my friend, no matter how much you quote the huffington post or media matters, your positions won't become any truer.

Our Constitution allows for change and if you desire a socialist country, then at least be honest about it. There’s NOTHING in the Constitution about the ‘right of privacy’ (Roe V. Wade) or the ‘separation of Church and State’. . .  or the government being allowed to take away ANY of our Rights; like the owning of firearms.  So, PLEASE just stop!

[Scanner]

Nice rant. Too bad it doesn't relate to anything in this discussion.  If you don't understand that it wasn't Obama's budget in Sept of his first year as the initial poster believed then, yeah, it's not disagreeing with me, it's disagreeing with the facts.  But go ahead and rant, it's entertaining. 

[98valk]

Nice rant. Too bad it doesn't relate to anything in this discussion.  If you don't understand that it wasn't Obama's budget in Sept of his first year as the initial poster believed then, yeah, it's not disagreeing with me, it's disagreeing with the facts.  But go ahead and rant, it's entertaining. 

your a very deceiving man, and u need to repent and change your ways this day or u will get worst then u are today.

2 Timothy 3:13
while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

1 Timothy 4
Instructions to Timothy
 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.


http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the FY 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in FY 2010. Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.

do u understand that the govt's fiscal yr starts in oct? and of course I asked u to provide info for your statements but u didn't cause u had NOTHING.
are u a liar also? the father of all lies is satan. What part of "thou shalt not lie!" did u not understand. lying is a sin and all sinners go to hell unless one repents. these are not my words but the Words of God, so if u don't like them go yell at Him at your own peril.

[big d]

scanner, wake up. who do you think controlled congress the last two years of bush's term, the dem's. and as far as clinton the only reason he had such an easy two terms was because of reagan. the economy had already turned around and clinton found out real quick that he had to be a moderate dem. with this president welcome to the i deserve society. get ready for another car bail out, its comming down the pike.

[98valk]

scanner, wake up. who do you think controlled congress the last two years of bush's term, the dem's. and as far as clinton the only reason he had such an easy two terms was because of reagan. the economy had already turned around and clinton found out real quick that he had to be a moderate dem. with this president welcome to the i deserve society. get ready for another car bail out, its comming down the pike.

also the stock market has been tanking ever since the dems took over the house and the senate, this is due to all of the wealth destroying taxes starting in the next couple of yrs.

[Scanner]

First post by CA, "His policies actually created a deficit in his very first September"

New post after he looked it up, "do u understand that the govt's fiscal yr starts in oct?"

You're either demented, or, a liar.  Or both.  You know liars go to hell, right? And the demented become Republicans.   

Just saw your next post...lmao...so the markets financial collapse in 2008 is "due to all of the wealth destroying taxes starting in the next couple of yrs."   

Ok, I choose demented...

[98valk]

First post by CA, "His policies actually created a deficit in his very first September"

New post after he looked it up, "do u understand that the govt's fiscal yr starts in oct?"

You're either demented, or, a liar.  Or both.  You know liars go to hell, right? And the demented become Republicans.   

Just saw your next post...lmao...so the markets financial collapse in 2008 is "due to all of the wealth destroying taxes starting in the next couple of yrs."   

Ok, I choose demented...

your hopeless, never used the word demented.  it seams u don't understand the real financial world of the super wealthy and read financial news letters. u only want the facts that make u feel good even when the truth is in your face u ignore them. so sad.
your just a product of all of the 60s radicals that moved from berkley and SF to the seatlle/tacoma area. God have mercy on your soul.
I'm done with you as with SE.
 Everybody on this board should never respond ever again to any of your or SE's posts.
Proverbs 23:9
Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.

[Chattanooga Mark]

Facts, logic and common sense mean nothing to some people. Their belief system is based purely on emothion, flawed beliefs and the destruction of anyone who doesn't share their particular set of emotions. The less they know, the stronger their emotions and beliefs seem to be. Like Michael Savage wrote: liberalism is a mental disorder.

Sorry folks, you cannot tax, spend or increase your debt to attain prosperity. Not in your home, your county, your state or your nation.

All the best,

Mark

[musclehead]

The current spending is what is required to get us out of the mess George Bush made!

I was just jumping on the "blame bush" train before the usual players showed up. 

I get a kick out every time the progressives say we gotta dig ourselves out of this mess?? How does anyone DIG out out of a hole?

thats very simple my lad ( attempting to look professorial ) you just get a bigger shovel 

[musclehead]

....so who's budget do you think it was during Sept of Obama's first year?   

I know it's useless to try and explain how budgets and interest work, but if you believe that in Sept of Obama's first year the country was under his budget and not Bushies, well, you are even more...uh...."misinformed" than usual. 

By the way, the reality is that Bush and the repubs DOUBLED the national debt , Reagan TRIPLED the national debt....fiscal conservatives eh?
 
In January 1981, when Reagan declared the federal budget to be "out of control," the deficit had reached almost $74 billion, the federal debt $930 billion. Within two years, the deficit was $208 billion. The debt by 1988 totaled $2.6 trillion. In those eight years of the Reagan admin, the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the largest debtor nation.

Bush very nearly destroyed our country.  Obama is doing all he can to bring us back from the economic precipice.  He might even have to spend as much as Bush wasted on his war in Iraq.


Whine on, but at least make a little effort to be correct when doing it.

It's a big problem for our county having so many completely misinformed citizens who apparently get their education from emails and talk radio....very sad

how much has the war in Iraq cost?  Obama has already spent many times more then that war

[musclehead]

I thought these political posts were going to be axed from the board.  And yet, we have CA Exhausted rambling and ranting, choosing facts that support (as so many political posts do).
 
It is clear that complex problems don't lend themselves to forum solutions... they always degenerate into a slugfest.
 
And it seems to me that CA Exhausted and Coated is posting, not to make a point, but to stir a pointless pot.

Give it a rest, CA... you got your politics, I got mine.  See you at the polls.

I haven't seen the 'slugfest' you speak of but there has been healthy debate. I'm here to debate.

november is coming I'm not sure you'll like the results, but yes see you at the polls