Can there really be "moderates" in terrorist culture?

[fuzzy2bucks]

As I remember almost all of the attacks on the good ole USA in recent years were performed by so called Moderates of their religion.  The Shoe Bomber was a "moderate",  the Nigerian young boy in the Detroit landing incident was and had always been considered a member of the so called large Moderate Majority of his religion.  Some of the 9-11 attackers were and had always been "moderates".

The man who planned on bombing the New York City Subway had no connection to any terrorist organization and was considered a peaceful moderate.  In case after case the news media investigates and proclaims that the terrorist had no terrorist connections. 

Apparently all it takes for a "moderate" to become a terrorist overnight is by a job loss or some Iman putting a few words in his moderate ears.  This was the case in the NYC SUV planned attack on Times Square and many other attacks or planned attacks.

If the so called Moderate Majority is really and truely moderate then why are the majority of attacks on America performedby Moderates?

It is their religion that doesn't allow them to be moderate in reality.  Read their book and experience their culture and you will see that all of their moderates are a hair away from being a radical.

[Hoser]

In answer to your question, not IMHO.  Hoser

[PhredValk]

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was a United States Army veteran and former security guard who was convicted of detonating a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks and is referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing. [Wikipedia]
They're not all Muslims or forigners...
Fred.

[Oss]

Someone once posed the same question back in the 1910's when there were red and white communists

I recall all the white russians were killed by the reds by Lenin's friends and Stalin eventually got the rest

In the 1930's the so called moderate Nazi's were eliminated by the SS

In our time the leftists (read that Communist, Anarchist and Muslim terrorists) in europe are hell bent on attempting to destroy the democracies under the guise of liberating the people.

Look at Spain, they had suffered pretty bad terrorism and still their Left  spews hate propaganda the media embrases,

So I ask, who among these "moderates" is gonna liberate all the women in slavery in the arab countries  where women are sexually mutilated raped and killed.  Where is the outrage of muslim killing in Sudan or Nigeria or for that matter in the Gaza since Hamas took over and did a damn good job of killing off all of the PLO, and what about the so called cesspool of excrement called Human Rights Commission of the UN led by SYRIA and LIBYA   right   Answer  NOBODY its all a lie  more Kool Aid to dull the west into inaction while the Intifada marches on

anyway I say an individual may express a moderate view  (I have made no secret to having Moslem friends who are about as fun loving as say Fudgie- and Fudgie I mean that in the best possible sense lol)  but the party machine that is radical islam will note who these folks are  and when the time is right they shall be slated for exterminaton and nobody will say jack sh$t cause the media will be blasting the democracies

Their weapons are to demonize, boycott and sanction.  We can tell who they are and should boycott them. Produce our own oil and energy and let them eat sand

This does not mean I equate Liberals with Leftists.  A Liberal can for instance espouse Libertarian views and still be for a strong defense and our Bill of Rights.   And I will go out on a limb and predict Bobbo (but I wont attempt to predict SE on this one) will not take issue with this because I am not advocating destruction of a people, but of a movement that is bent on our destruction. As I said in a previous post
when a WOMAN can be an IMAM then there is some small hope for a change in the direction, but I wont happen in our lifetime and the leaders of Islam will never allow it as if it were to be sanctioned they will say Mohammed would have said its ok

A provacative post thanks for putting that one up there.

[G-Man]

Great post, Evan!

[fuzzy2bucks]

Tim Mc Veigh was an anomoly. It's like comparing apples and spuds.

McVeigh was not part of a culture of 1 billion members plus with endless financial backing from oil rich states. 

McVeigh was not taught hate songs from the age of three then go on to a Madras to become more radical.  He didn't become Died in the Wool anything.  He was just a disgruntled mostly unemployed person.  Mc Veigh was mad at a society that couldn't provide him a decent job.

McVeigh did not believe in killing well over 3000 people in two closely timed attacks. 

The reason almost all passenger airports have a high presence of costly TSA
agents is not because of McVeigh or the very few like him.

[Bobbo]

Tim Mc Veigh was an anomoly. It's like comparing apples and spuds.

McVeigh was not part of a culture of 1 billion members plus with endless financial backing from oil rich states. 

McVeigh was not taught hate songs from the age of three then go on to a Madras to become more radical.  He didn't become Died in the Wool anything.  He was just a disgruntled mostly unemployed person.  Mc Veigh was mad at a society that couldn't provide him a decent job.

McVeigh did not believe in killing well over 3000 people in two closely timed attacks. 

The reason almost all passenger airports have a high presence of costly TSA
agents is not because of McVeigh or the very few like him.

You should do some simple research before posting incorrect information.

[Trynt]

Tim Mc Veigh was an anomoly. It's like comparing apples and spuds.

McVeigh was not part of a culture of 1 billion members plus with endless financial backing from oil rich states. 

McVeigh was not taught hate songs from the age of three then go on to a Madras to become more radical.  He didn't become Died in the Wool anything.  He was just a disgruntled mostly unemployed person.  Mc Veigh was mad at a society that couldn't provide him a decent job.

McVeigh did not believe in killing well over 3000 people in two closely timed attacks. 

The reason almost all passenger airports have a high presence of costly TSA
agents is not because of McVeigh or the very few like him.

You should do some simple research before posting incorrect information.

  Okay Bobbo, I'll bite.  What's incorrect?

[fuzzy2bucks]

Why I don't use Wikipedia...

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Snopes is even worse, it's run by two liberals.

[Bobbo]

Tim Mc Veigh was an anomoly. It's like comparing apples and spuds.

McVeigh was not part of a culture of 1 billion members plus with endless financial backing from oil rich states. 

McVeigh was not taught hate songs from the age of three then go on to a Madras to become more radical.  He didn't become Died in the Wool anything.  He was just a disgruntled mostly unemployed person.  Mc Veigh was mad at a society that couldn't provide him a decent job.

McVeigh did not believe in killing well over 3000 people in two closely timed attacks. 

The reason almost all passenger airports have a high presence of costly TSA
agents is not because of McVeigh or the very few like him.

You should do some simple research before posting incorrect information.

  Okay Bobbo, I'll bite.  What's incorrect?

Mostly the part about why McVeigh bombed the Murrah building.

[Robert]

I really like this post thanks and a good question.

     Mcvey was mad at the Feds and he sought revenge against the federal government for the Waco Siege. He also hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government.

 Unfortunately it can happen to anyone, that is the very research that was done after the Nazis asking how could seemingly normal Germans take part in this. We are so much like sheep and why did you think Hitler or any dictator the first thing they want to do is remove religion, then you remove the peoples culture then their past then anything is possible. Wait thats happening here in the US too. THe laws that have changed in the past years have done everything to make the feds the source of everything and the last word. 

The Muslim kids are indoctrinated into this so its no problem living it. If you have a society that says its ok and a religion that says you have to then your good to go. Kinda like Hitler, Mine kaumpf means my struggle so does Jihad.

Something I also do want to say about this Eman in New York it is in the Koran that it is acceptable and required to lie to the enemy about your true intentions. So does He say the truth or not how do we know when the very religion that he practices says is good to do to achieve a purpose

[big turkey]

No

[Bobbo]

Unfortunately it can happen to anyone, that is the very research that was done after the Nazis asking how could seemingly normal Germans take part in this. We are so much like sheep and why did you think Hitler or any dictator the first thing they want to do is remove religion, then you remove the peoples culture then their past then anything is possible. Wait thats happening here in the US too. THe laws that have changed in the past years have done everything to make the feds the source of everything and the last word. 

Hitler never removed religion; In fact, he used it as a weapon against the Jews.  He appealed to the German Christians to reject the Jews as “Christ killers”, and not the true “Chosen people of the Messiah”.  He regime called them “Mud people”, imposters of the true faith.  He wanted his people to believe that the Aryan race was the true inheritors of God’s message.

[Robert]

You have to remove religion if you want to make the aryan race the inheritors of Gods word.The Nazi book burnings were a campaign conducted by the authorities of Nazi Germany to ceremonially burn all books in Germany which did not correspond with Nazi ideology.

Below is the Wikipedia link that will explain the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

How did Hitler brainwash people?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Hitler_brainwash_people

To a extent this is happening in the US and is how the Muslims already are. If you do a little research you will find that brainwashing is done this way.

. Subjects underwent a major change in schools. Some of the most affected were History and Biology. History was based on the glory of Germany. The German defeat in 1918 was explained as the work of Jewish and spies who had weakened the system from within. The Treaty of Versailles was the work of nations jealous of Germany's might and power. The hyperinflation of 1923 was the work of Jewish saboteurs. The national resurgence was started under the leadership of Hitler. Biology became a study of the different races to 'prove' that the Nazi belief in racial superiority was a sound belief. "Racial Instruction" started as the age of 6. Pupils were taught about the problems of heredity. Older pupils were taught about the importance of selecting the right "mate" when marrying and producing children. Geography taught pupils about the land Germany had taken away from her in 1919 and the need for Germany to have living space, and that Jews were taking up valuable space

Kinda sounds like the good old USA today with all the changes Kinda like the separation of church and state

[fuzzy2bucks]

What actually effected McVeigh was the deep unrelenting hunger in his stomach while inbetween odd jobs.  He was an excellent Soldier and couldn't understand why he couldn't get a good paying job after an excellent stint in the Army.

He was embarresed that he couldn't got a good job and only used the Waco burning as a
scape goat although he had a hatred for the government that didn't treat Vet's right.

[Master Blaster]

Heres some of the change  the moderate BHO believes in.
The Japanese attacted the USA, and got Nuked for their trouble.  The Muslems attact the USA, and BHO invites them to build a Mosque on the site to commorate their victory.

The Builder is junketing around the world on our 5 cents, posing as a moderate, and he issues vielded threats as to what will happedn if he is refused.  I absolutely believe that when we allow these emigrees to come here and not assimilate, but create enclaves that mimic the countrys they come from, even so far as trying to  get their own seperate law system, we are supporting the enemy.  I believe that sleeper cells abound, and that much money and support is sent out of the country to that end.  Being an American means more than just living here.  Nothing I hate worse than pressing 1 for English. 

[Skinhead]

Heres some of the change  the moderate BHO believes in.
The Japanese attacted the USA, and got Nuked for their trouble.  The Muslems attact the USA, and BHO invites them to build a Mosque on the site to commorate their victory.

The Builder is junketing around the world on our 5 cents, posing as a moderate, and he issues vielded threats as to what will happedn if he is refused.  I absolutely believe that when we allow these emigrees to come here and not assimilate, but create enclaves that mimic the countrys they come from, even so far as trying to  get their own seperate law system, we are supporting the enemy.  I believe that sleeper cells abound, and that much money and support is sent out of the country to that end.  Being an American means more than just living here.  Nothing I hate worse than pressing 1 for English. 

+1

Tim Mcvey was not only disgruntled about his employment situation, he saw both Wac and Ruby Ridge as the government ignoring the constitution and infringing upon our right to keep and bear arms.  The feds started the whole Waco incident by attempting to entrap Koresh into buying (or selling, not sure which) illegal firearms.  The Clinton administration, and many other liberals, just don't realize how strongly most people feel about the constitution of the US, especially the right to bear arms.

Here in MI, you have to take a gun safety course ($100 - 120) and pay $105 every 5 years for a CCW permit.  This is basically a TAX to exercise you second amendment right.  I personally feel this is unconstitutional,  as you don't have to get a permit or take a class to exercise any of you other  constitutional rights.

Mcvey was standing up for his rights.  I don't condone what he did.  And I feel no differently toward him, than I do any other terrorist.  I don't think a comparison can be made between him and radical muslims however as he wasn't motivated by a religion that preaches hate and intolerance, he thought he was defending his constitutional rights, as misguided as he was.

[elraque]

McVeigh didn't chant "Christ is Great" as he was blowing up the federal building. He didn't cause catastrophic destruction "in the name of Christ" or in the name of any god (or God) that he worshipped. He didn't detonate the explosives as an expression of "the religion of peace." His religion (Christianity) was incidental and irrelevant to his actions, not his motivation.

I don't believe that the same can be said of the majority of muslims who blow themselves up along with innocent bystanders.

McVeigh and muslim "suicide bombers" (terrorists) are very different in many aspects.

[x]

As I remember almost all of the attacks on the good ole USA in recent years were performed by so called Moderates of their religion.  The Shoe Bomber was a "moderate",  the Nigerian young boy in the Detroit landing incident was and had always been considered a member of the so called large Moderate Majority of his religion.  Some of the 9-11 attackers were and had always been "moderates".

The man who planned on bombing the New York City Subway had no connection to any terrorist organization and was considered a peaceful moderate.  In case after case the news media investigates and proclaims that the terrorist had no terrorist connections.  

Apparently all it takes for a "moderate" to become a terrorist overnight is by a job loss or some Iman putting a few words in his moderate ears.  This was the case in the NYC SUV planned attack on Times Square and many other attacks or planned attacks.

If the so called Moderate Majority is really and truely moderate then why are the majority of attacks on America performedby Moderates?

It is their religion that doesn't allow them to be moderate in reality.  Read their book and experience their culture and you will see that all of their moderates are a hair away from being a radical.

What the hell is a "terrorist culture"?    Edit -  I really wanted to go through this post and simply remove the name calling and personal attacks, but I really don't have time this morning.  While I agree in principle withy some of the points stated and defend greatly the right to opinions with which I differ, the format is simply unacceptable.    Buy me a beer and let me tell you that to your face.

[Robert]

Eagle cannot control himself, Obviously there are bigger issues at work in his personal life, it now doesn't come down to a different opinion, a husband battering his wife has a point of view too just one not anywhere near acceptable. If you have to erase all his post just to make it acceptable then whats it worth.

[Trynt]

As I remember almost all of the attacks on the good ole USA in recent years were performed by so called Moderates of their religion.  The Shoe Bomber was a "moderate",  the Nigerian young boy in the Detroit landing incident was and had always been considered a member of the so called large Moderate Majority of his religion.  Some of the 9-11 attackers were and had always been "moderates".

The man who planned on bombing the New York City Subway had no connection to any terrorist organization and was considered a peaceful moderate.  In case after case the news media investigates and proclaims that the terrorist had no terrorist connections.  

Apparently all it takes for a "moderate" to become a terrorist overnight is by a job loss or some Iman putting a few words in his moderate ears.  This was the case in the NYC SUV planned attack on Times Square and many other attacks or planned attacks.

If the so called Moderate Majority is really and truely moderate then why are the majority of attacks on America performedby Moderates?

It is their religion that doesn't allow them to be moderate in reality.  Read their book and experience their culture and you will see that all of their moderates are a hair away from being a radical.

What the hell is a "terrorist culture"?    Edit -  I really wanted to go through this post and simply remove the name calling and personal attacks, but I really don't have time this morning.  While I agree in principle withy some of the points stated and defend greatly the right to opinions with which I differ, the format is simply unacceptable.    Buy me a beer and let me tell you that to your face.

   "I am alive, excited, exhilarated, and I can’t wait to get out of bed in the morning to see what life brings.  Life wasn’t always like that.  Life used to be full of anger, rage, and depression, . . . "   SE does that sound familiar?  I fear you are back sliding again!

[Robert]

Trynt 

I had a guy working for me was a manic depressive and sounded so like SE especially when he was off his lithium of course he never needed it according to him   He never needed drugs to get a high just needed to scrape him off the walls and get him back on his medicine maybe SE it would work for you?

[fstsix]

I really like this post thanks and a good question.

     Mcvey was mad at the Feds and he sought revenge against the federal government for the Waco Siege. He also hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government.

 Unfortunately it can happen to anyone, that is the very research that was done after the Nazis asking how could seemingly normal Germans take part in this. We are so much like sheep and why did you think Hitler or any dictator the first thing they want to do is remove religion, then you remove the peoples culture then their past then anything is possible. Wait thats happening here in the US too. THe laws that have changed in the past years have done everything to make the feds the source of everything and the last word. 

The Muslim kids are indoctrinated into this so its no problem living it. If you have a society that says its ok and a religion that says you have to then your good to go. Kinda like Hitler, Mine kaumpf means my struggle so does Jihad.

Something I also do want to say about this Eman in New York it is in the Koran that it is acceptable and required to lie to the enemy about your true intentions. So does He say the truth or not how do we know when the very religion that he practices says is good to do to achieve a purpose

Good response Robert....Remember the Term Going POSTAL..the Mailman with a Problem with His Employer the  "FEDERAL GOVERMENT", I have a picture here with my family in that McDonalds parking lot on the way home from TJ Mexico when i was younger, As we know that is a Memorial now, And that Mcdonalds is gone.

[fuzzy2bucks]

Watched the Documentary of the Fort Dix 5 on televison last night.  It was an almost perfect example of how moderates become Terrorists.

One of the moderates who became a Terrorist said 'Sometimes it is necessary to spread our religion by the sword and they will eventually (other religions) surrender.'

The Fort Dix 5 were convicted by a Jury of a Terrorist act.  (Attempting to massacre Soldiers at Fort Dix with Weapons).

[Ramjet]

[What the hell is a "terrorist culture"?    Edit -  I really wanted to go through this post and simply remove the name calling and personal attacks, but I really don't have time this morning.  While I agree in principle withy some of the points stated and defend greatly the right to opinions with which I differ, the format is simply unacceptable.    Buy me a beer and let me tell you that to your face.]

I think SE's wife must have cut him off last night.