More about Ethanol enriched gasoline!

[Ricky-D]

The below information should help you understand why you may want pure gasoline.
 
Ethanol in Motor Fuel

 We are told

• Blending ethanol into gasoline reduces dependence on imported petroleum

• Use of ethanol reduces emissions of greenhouse gas – CO2

 What we are not told

• Using corn for fuel raises food prices around the world

• Production of ethanol requires large amounts of water – aggravating shortages in times of drought

• A gallon of ethanol requires about 75% of its energy content to produce

• Low cost ethanol from Brazil is subject to a high tariff, while we taxpayers subsidize what would otherwise be an        unprofitable venture

• Ethanol must be transported by truck or train, adding to highway congestion and creating hazards

• Most boat engines, older and classic cars, and small equipment with gasoline engines are damaged

by or run poorly on fuel containing ethanol

 How do modern cars tolerate fuel with 10% ethanol

• They use an oxygen sensor to adjust the fuel/air mixture to maintain stoichiometry

• They have fuel vapor recovery systems that prevent the entry of moisture

• Fuel system components use materials that are compatible with ethanol

 Effect on boats, power mowers, leaf blowers, etc

Unlike gasoline, ethanol contains oxygen. Fixed fuel metering devices do not adjust for the added oxygen. This results in lean operation – rough idle and possible excess combustion temperatures at full power.  Their fuel systems are vented allowing moisture to enter. Ethanol has a strong affinity for water. Many boats and gas powered machines have tubing and even fuel tanks that are corroded by ethanol.

 So what are the benefits

Sorry, but here’s where we get a bit technical – A gallon of gasoline has (typically) an energy content of 116,090* British Thermal Units (BTU).  Ethanol has a content of about 76,330* BTU/gallon. Calculation shows that a 10% blend (also known as E10) has 112,114 BTU/gallon, or 3.4% less than pure gasoline (E0).  Every mile driven under specific conditions requires a certain amount of energy, so expect a 3.4% loss in fuel mileage with E10 vs. E0.

                                        *Source: U. S. Dep. of Energy Alternative Fuels Data Center

 E10 CO2 Emissions

Now imagine a trip that would take 100 gallons of pure gasoline (E0).  With E10, the trip would need 3.4% more of the

blend or 103.4 gallons. Of that, 90% or 93.06 gallons is E0 and 10% or 10.34 is ethanol.  The gasoline produces 93.06 x 19.56 = 1820 lb. of CO2, and the ethanol emits 10.34 * 12.57 = 130 lb. of this greenhouse gas.  Total CO2 emission = 1950 pounds.  This compares with 1956 pounds if the trip were made with E0, for a saving of 6 pounds.

Greenhouse Gases

If the MPG drops by 7% [averages are 7% up to 20%], then the E10 will actually produce 60 pounds MORE greenhouse gas than if pure gasoline was used.

 But surely Ethanol helps achieve petroleum independence

Not really, if the energy to grow the corn and produce the ethanol is considered, it is very likely that blending 10% ethanol into our fuel actually increases the demand for petroleum.

 Who benefits by adding ethanol to gasoline?

Well it certainly enriches the corn growers and the ethanol producers.  On the other hand, it costs the taxpayers,

reduces fuel mileage for motorists, and can be a disaster for owners of boats and power garden equipment.  Think what the billions in subsidies could do for our troubled economy or healthcare.

Per The Chicago Tribune article July 27, 2010.

“Last week, the Congressional Budget Office calculated how much taxpayers provide in biofuel subsidies to reduce gasoline consumption. The bottom line: $1.78 for every gallon when the biofuel is made from corn. Ethanol from cellulose costs a beyond-belief $3 a gallon in subsidies.”  In other words, $1.78 tax dollars are in every gallon of biofuel you purchase and is not seen in the price since they are government grants.

If you want to know where the pure gasoline stations are.

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

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[Spirited-6]

If you want to know where the pure gasoline stations are.

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

Wonder why Tn. has SOOOOO Many Stations and Ky. & Oh. has so few.

[Brad]

The feds are thinking about allowing 15% in gas very soon.

[Jay]

If you want to know where the pure gasoline stations are.

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

Wonder why Tn. has SOOOOO Many Stations and Ky. & Oh. has so few.

Check out New Mexico.  Lots in Roswell.  I guess flying saucers don't run good on corn gas!

[98valk]

and ethanol increases the ozone levels which is a major pollutant.   just google it plenty of info.

[Robert]

Ricky good info but I have one question if everyone knows that ethanol is bad why is it still going forward? Who is behind this?

[NITRO]

National Geographic had a nice article about ethanol this past summer. They compared the energy input vs. output of corn-based ethanol like we have in the US versus that of sugar cane-based ethanol made in Brazil. Corn-based is at a huge disadvantage for sure.

[fudgie]

We are told

• Blending ethanol into gasoline reduces dependence on imported petroleum   

• Use of ethanol reduces emissions of greenhouse gas – CO2
We exhale CO2 on every breath.

 What we are not told

• Using corn for fuel raises food prices around the world
 We use corn for alot. It also raises $$/bushal. 

• Production of ethanol requires large amounts of water – aggravating shortages in times of drought
Drill a deeper well.

• A gallon of ethanol requires about 75% of its energy content to produce
Its called recycling.

• Low cost ethanol from Brazil is subject to a high tariff, while we taxpayers subsidize what would otherwise be an        unprofitable venture
Make it here
• Ethanol must be transported by truck or train, adding to highway congestion and creating hazards
Everything is shipped by rail, plane, truck, or boat. No change.

• Most boat engines, older and classic cars, and small equipment with gasoline engines are damaged
by or run poorly on fuel containing ethanol
Most used leaded fuel to back then.

  Effect on boats, power mowers, leaf blowers, etc

Unlike gasoline, ethanol contains oxygen. Fixed fuel metering devices do not adjust for the added oxygen. This results in lean operation – rough idle and possible excess combustion temperatures at full power.  Their fuel systems are vented allowing moisture to enter. Ethanol has a strong affinity for water. Many boats and gas powered machines have tubing and even fuel tanks that are corroded by ethanol.
Readjust the mixture, change your tubing, and get a new gas tank. Brake fluid also attracks moisture.

 Who benefits by adding ethanol to gasoline?

Well it certainly enriches the corn growers and the ethanol producers. 
Enriches? You must not be a farmer.




 

[Bobbo]

Who is behind the huge push for ethanol in gasoline?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_05ec8c64-d5c5-11df-bc9b-0017a4a78c22.html

[Bobbo]

• Ethanol must be transported by truck or train, adding to highway congestion and creating hazards
Everything is shipped by rail, plane, truck, or boat. No change.

Not true.  Most petroleum products (crude oil, fuel oils, gasoline, etc.) are piped to refineries and distribution centers near the markets.  Only then are the tankers loaded for the short trip to the retail outlets.  Ethanol requires a tanker to carry the product from the production plant to distribution centers.

[fstsix]

Who is behind the huge push for ethanol in gasoline?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_05ec8c64-d5c5-11df-bc9b-0017a4a78c22.html

Well here is a credible News Source LOL!!! Anyone knows Wall street is Obama's buddies, Just punch on the Business section of your link and it Headlines Temp Jobs....scroll down on the same page and Home Depot is laying off 85 people LOL!!, Bobbo your over here now everybody ignoring you on the Main board. 

[Hoser]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

[fudgie]

• Ethanol must be transported by truck or train, adding to highway congestion and creating hazards
Everything is shipped by rail, plane, truck, or boat. No change.

Not true.  Most petroleum products (crude oil, fuel oils, gasoline, etc.) are piped to refineries and distribution centers near the markets.  Only then are the tankers loaded for the short trip to the retail outlets.  Ethanol requires a tanker to carry the product from the production plant to distribution centers.

Either way, its still trucked.

[Steve K (IA)]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

[MP]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

My experience also.

MP

[fiddle mike]

Well it certainly enriches the corn growers and the ethanol producers.  
Enriches? You must not be a farmer.

Reckon why farmers keep electing the Congressman who get them subsidies that don't pay?  The Congressman is certainly benefiting from burning food as fuel.


  

[98valk]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

I call BS on that. It has been proven that ethanol lowers mpg 2-3 mpg. So either u have a very special valkyrie or u never go over 40mph, never tach past 3k rpm or your odometer skips. plus ethanol increases ozone levels exactly what the communist environment wackos want to lower by going to less petrol burning. nothing but a bunch of lies out there by them, the epa and our govt leaders. how about them noise police who are having certain hwys to have so called rain groves install for our safety. another lie, all the grooves do are to reduce road tire noise, increase tire wear and lower mpg by introducing tread squirm. Cummings diesel has a research paper on their website. (since they keep moving it so no one can find it here it is), http://cumminsengines.com/assets/pdf/MPG_Secrets_Whitepaper.pdf
using asphalt instead of concrete for hwys lower mpg up to 8%, chip and seal can be 33% lower. hmm asphalt lots of oil products there, but lower noise and cheaper for the states to install.
rant done, research it and prove me wrong.
I'm off to enjoy my new to me '07 DR200, 609 miles, EPA rated at 105 mpg.

[fudgie]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

I call BS on that. It has been proven that ethanol lowers mpg 2-3 mpg. So either u have a very special valkyrie or u never go over 40mph, never tach past 3k rpm or your odometer skips. plus ethanol increases ozone levels exactly what the communist environment wackos want to lower by going to less petrol burning. nothing but a bunch of lies out there by them, the epa and our govt leaders. how about them noise police who are having certain hwys to have so called rain groves install for our safety. another lie, all the grooves do are to reduce road tire noise, increase tire wear and lower mpg by introducing tread squirm. Cummings diesel has a research paper on their website. (since they keep moving it so no one can find it here it is), http://cumminsengines.com/assets/pdf/MPG_Secrets_Whitepaper.pdf
using asphalt instead of concrete for hwys lower mpg up to 8%, chip and seal can be 33% lower. hmm asphalt lots of oil products there, but lower noise and cheaper for the states to install.
rant done, research it and prove me wrong.
I'm off to enjoy my new to me '07 DR200, 609 miles, EPA rated at 105 mpg.

My Valk runs better on E-10. I get it all the time out west as soon as I cross the Mississippi river. Runs smoother and no change in mpg.

No tread squirn for me, but i'm a darksider. 

[98valk]

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My Valk runs better on E-10. I get it all the time out west as soon as I cross the Mississippi river. Runs smoother and no change in mpg.

No tread squirn for me, but i'm a darksider. 
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u can't feel the tread squirm, but it is there lowering your mpg and increasing tire wear. all tire treads are moving some more or less than others.
same reason a rib hwy tire lasts longer and gets better mpg than a super swamper tire or an all terrain tire.
u only think your bike runs better on e-10. no change in mpg?, u are not checking it correctly.
ethanol has less BTUs than pure gasoline, by the laws of physics/chemistry, u are losing mpg.
feelings don't overrule facts.

[Steve K (IA)]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

I call BS on that. It has been proven that ethanol lowers mpg 2-3 mpg. So either u have a very special valkyrie or u never go over 40mph, never tach past 3k rpm or your odometer skips. plus ethanol increases ozone levels exactly what the communist environment wackos want to lower by going to less petrol burning. nothing but a bunch of lies out there by them, the epa and our govt leaders. how about them noise police who are having certain hwys to have so called rain groves install for our safety. another lie, all the grooves do are to reduce road tire noise, increase tire wear and lower mpg by introducing tread squirm. Cummings diesel has a research paper on their website. (since they keep moving it so no one can find it here it is), http://cumminsengines.com/assets/pdf/MPG_Secrets_Whitepaper.pdf
using asphalt instead of concrete for hwys lower mpg up to 8%, chip and seal can be 33% lower. hmm asphalt lots of oil products there, but lower noise and cheaper for the states to install.
rant done, research it and prove me wrong.
I'm off to enjoy my new to me '07 DR200, 609 miles, EPA rated at 105 mpg.

You know, I don't like being called a liar Mr Coater.  And I'd bet Fudgie, Hoser and MP don't like it much either.  I ride the speed limit, 45, 55, 65, 70, whatever is posted.  And I have 2 very special Valkyries.  A Purple & White '97 that was de-smogged and has a glass pack exhaust by the previous owner and a 2000 Black I/S that I bought new and has Mark T exhaust.  Everything else about them is stock.  The I/S still has all original vac lines and caps, carbs never touched in any way.  None of this BS of ETC mods, trigger wheels, K&N filters, washers under the front of the tank (now that there is some serious BS), aftermarket fuel valves ( stock ones are still original and working properly)  different jets, car tires............  Seems a lot of guys here just can't leave well enough alone.  Like my Dad always said, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "once you start messing with it, it will never be right again".   Oh, and I have Valk riding witnesses to my gas mileage.  I sure am not the only person who gets 40 mpg.  It is reported here often.

[RUDE DOG - Steelers]

I check my mileage consistently.  Ive got a 2003 Valk and my mileage is 3-4 mpg's better with NON-Ethanol gas. Just my 2 cents. My best mileage was 44 mpg. 

[MP]

In my little world that I can control, as long as it costs less at the pump, I will continue using it.  Hoser

 

My Valks, nor I can tell the difference between ethanol or straight gas.  A '97 and '00.  Nothing but ethanol 99% of the time.  No carb troubles (knock on wood) and 40 MPG.

I call BS on that. It has been proven that ethanol lowers mpg 2-3 mpg. So either u have a very special valkyrie or u never go over 40mph, never tach past 3k rpm or your odometer skips. plus ethanol increases ozone levels exactly what the communist environment wackos want to lower by going to less petrol burning. nothing but a bunch of lies out there by them, the epa and our govt leaders. how about them noise police who are having certain hwys to have so called rain groves install for our safety. another lie, all the grooves do are to reduce road tire noise, increase tire wear and lower mpg by introducing tread squirm. Cummings diesel has a research paper on their website. (since they keep moving it so no one can find it here it is), http://cumminsengines.com/assets/pdf/MPG_Secrets_Whitepaper.pdf
using asphalt instead of concrete for hwys lower mpg up to 8%, chip and seal can be 33% lower. hmm asphalt lots of oil products there, but lower noise and cheaper for the states to install.
rant done, research it and prove me wrong.
I'm off to enjoy my new to me '07 DR200, 609 miles, EPA rated at 105 mpg.

You know, I don't like being called a liar Mr Coater.  And I'd bet Fudgie, Hoser and MP don't like it much either.  I ride the speed limit, 45, 55, 65, 70, whatever is posted.  And I have 2 very special Valkyries.  A Purple & White '97 that was de-smogged and has a glass pack exhaust by the previous owner and a 2000 Black I/S that I bought new and has Mark T exhaust.  Everything else about them is stock.  The I/S still has all original vac lines and caps, carbs never touched in any way.  None of this BS of ETC mods, trigger wheels, K&N filters, washers under the front of the tank (now that there is some serious BS), aftermarket fuel valves ( stock ones are still original and working properly)  different jets, car tires............  Seems a lot of guys here just can't leave well enough alone.  Like my Dad always said, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "once you start messing with it, it will never be right again".   Oh, and I have Valk riding witnesses to my gas mileage.  I sure am not the only person who gets 40 mpg.  It is reported here often.

You are right.  I do not like being called a liar.  My bikes, and everything else, run fine on ethanol.  As far as mileage, I honestly cannot tell a difference.  There may be a slight one, but not near what is reported sometimes.  You have a 10% mix of ethanol, which is lower in btu. 10% of 30% less, is 3%.  So, there may be a 3% drop.  3% of 30 mpg equals .9 mpg.  Yes, that is right, LESS than 1 mpg.

So many other factors enter in, such as terrain, speed, wind, etc. that make that meaningless.

I have gotten a low of 18, up to high of 42 mpg.  So, 0.9mpg is lost in that.

MP

[Hoser]

I can vouch for the 18 mpg, I followed while you were dragging a side car on your interstate on I90 in minnesota at 75-80 mph against a headwind.  Seemed like we stopped for gas every hundered miles,  Oh yeah, we did!  Fun, wasn't it. I did a bit better on my solo tourer.     hoser

[Patrick]

Humm, I guess my post got pulled.. Must have been political, I just thought it was true..

[98valk]

I apologize for offending.  I didn't mean to imply u or anybody were liars, I guess I used the wrong terms. Sorry. 


are the MPG figures one is posting city, hwy or an average per tank, combination with the % of hwy and city known?  Is one taking into account possible ODO inaccurancies based on different tire ODs. There are no front tires out there that have the same OD as the OEM dunlop.
there are many variables, temp, humitity, road conditions, tire pressure/temp, etc., that effect MPG numbers.

since ethanol, my MPG is down 2-3 mpg per tank, I have been keeping records since the bike was new.
MPG is down for my truck also about the same, maybe a little less due to the computer and the O2 sensor, but still down.

[Wago]

   Great post!!

Thanks fopr the info.

[MP]

I apologize for offending.  I didn't mean to imply u or anybody were liars, I guess I used the wrong terms. Sorry. 


are the MPG figures one is posting city, hwy or an average per tank, combination with the % of hwy and city known?  Is one taking into account possible ODO inaccurancies based on different tire ODs. There are no front tires out there that have the same OD as the OEM dunlop.
there are many variables, temp, humitity, road conditions, tire pressure/temp, etc., that effect MPG numbers.

since ethanol, my MPG is down 2-3 mpg per tank, I have been keeping records since the bike was new.
MPG is down for my truck also about the same, maybe a little less due to the computer and the O2 sensor, but still down.

apology accepted.  Thank you.  Just seems like a little too much down.  They are doing so many other things with gas now, all the small areas of the country that get custom gas blends to meet emission standards, that it is really hard to tell. 2-3 would be something under 10% loss, maybe 6-7%?

MP

MP

[fudgie]

Hey no sweat, I wasnt offended.  I been called worse! 

After adding Regain to my tank in early july I went from 32 mpg to 36 mpg, the whole month and 1st week of Aug.
Loaded bike up for sturgis. Right bag had all my metric sockets, wrench, spare parts, other tools, and misc. Left bag had my bandanas, road stuff, and sweatshirt in it. 21" roller luggage on the rack loaded with 4 sets of clothes each and toiletries. Left lid had 2 leather jackets with liners. Rt lid, bag of throw away road clothes and 2 prs of small shoes. Hitch rack, which is steel, had a duffle bag full of rain gear, rain boots, 2 novelty helmets, waterproof bike cover, drive shaft, and a liter of gas. Riding 2 up of coarse, 425 lbs ish.
98 Tourer, batwing, ECT mod, desmoged, I/S carb springs, Metzler front, and Hankook K-106 CT rear.
You could say we were 'decently' loaded. 
75-85 mph, ave 80 mph, occasional 90 if the mood struck us, 3500ish rpms, 2 lane or 4 lane roads. Out of 1,000 miles 900 was at 80 mph. Every gas stop I got 34 mpg. Mind you I was getting 36 at home mostly 1 up.
Last week at the ORR I got 33 mpg. 

[John U.]

  None of this BS of ETC mods, trigger wheels, K&N filters, washers under the front of the tank (now that there is some serious BS), aftermarket fuel valves ( stock ones are still original and working properly)  different jets, car tires............  Seems a lot of guys here just can't leave well enough alone.  Like my Dad always said, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "once you start messing with it, it will never be right again".   Oh, and I have Valk riding witnesses to my gas mileage.  I sure am not the only person who gets 40 mpg.  It is reported here often.
Posted by: Steve K (IA)

Steve, don't knock it unless you've tried it. I can tell you by experience with two Valks that the ECT mod is no BS. Neither is the trigger wheel change out.
I gained 3 miles per gallon and a lot of extra go for less money than a movie ticket.
As for the "it will never be right again once you start messing with it" advice, to each his own. Ive been messing with my bikes since I bought them. They run better, are more reliable and look better for it. Besides, for me bikes are not just transportation, messing with them is what I enjoy and the major reason this board is such a great resource.
Of course, I'll agree that not everyone will have good results. It depends on who's doing the messing. 

[fstsix]

6 carbs and here we are again bitching about fuel mileage LOL!!! sorry guys just could not help myself  Back to original post on E10, I had the opportunity last week of doing a Dyno pull, so i went to a Fuel station down the street that carries Cam 2 110 racing leaded fuel, filled up my Gas Can drained my tank and refilled it....Let me tell you if this was the Super we put in our Family 66 GTO back in the day, Life was GOOD back then!! Only 8 bucks a gallon! But yes big difference using REAL Gasoline and not corn syrup, The Marine industries are paying He!! with boats and water in fuel issues, just Google E10 marine or Utube Nobody got anything good to say about it but Al Gore.   

[Steve K (IA)]

  None of this BS of ETC mods, trigger wheels, K&N filters, washers under the front of the tank (now that there is some serious BS), aftermarket fuel valves ( stock ones are still original and working properly)  different jets, car tires............  Seems a lot of guys here just can't leave well enough alone.  Like my Dad always said, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "once you start messing with it, it will never be right again".   Oh, and I have Valk riding witnesses to my gas mileage.  I sure am not the only person who gets 40 mpg.  It is reported here often.
Posted by: Steve K (IA)

Steve, don't knock it unless you've tried it. I can tell you by experience with two Valks that the ECT mod is no BS. Neither is the trigger wheel change out.
I gained 3 miles per gallon and a lot of extra go for less money than a movie ticket.
As for the "it will never be right again once you start messing with it" advice, to each his own. Ive been messing with my bikes since I bought them. They run better, are more reliable and look better for it. Besides, for me bikes are not just transportation, messing with them is what I enjoy and the major reason this board is such a great resource.
Of course, I'll agree that not everyone will have good results. It depends on who's doing the messing. 

John, what I think is BS is the washer under the front tank mount that some guys claim lets more air in.  I just don't buy that.  All those other items I mentioned were just to get the message across that the bikes are stock except both have glass packs and the '97 has been de-smogged.  I should change out my vac lines soon on the I/S before I do have a problem.  I know I am living on borrowed time in that area.  And yes, I know there are probably more people that like to "tinker" with their bikes and cars than don't.  I am into maintenance.  You know...brakes, splines, tires, fork seals.   I have resisted all those mods because both bikes run so strong and smooth that I don't want to possibly screw something up.  I am, BTW one of those who put my fork seals in upside down
Now for my 40 mpg.......that would be riding 1 up and staying at or below 65.  I have had my instances of 25 mpg and even lower.  Once was on I-80 going from Iowa City to Des Moines running 90mph.  The other times were going east to west along I-70 in Utah and I-40 in AZ where the wind was so strong I swear every time I looked at the gas gauge, one of the marks disappeared.
And one more thing.  Last night I should of been in bed instead of reading this board and got more than just a little carried away.   After hitting the "post" button and going to bed, I thought that maybe I should of just ignored this thread from the beginning.

[Hoser]

6 carbs and here we are again bitching about fuel mileage LOL!!! sorry guys just could not help myself  Back to original post on E10, I had the opportunity last week of doing a Dyno pull, so i went to a Fuel station down the street that carries Cam 2 110 racing leaded fuel, filled up my Gas Can drained my tank and refilled it....Let me tell you if this was the Super we put in our Family 66 GTO back in the day, Life was GOOD back then!! Only 8 bucks a gallon! But yes big difference using REAL Gasoline and not corn syrup, The Marine industries are paying He!! with boats and water in fuel issues, just Google E10 marine or Utube Nobody got anything good to say about it but Al Gore.   

So what did the dyno show, this was on ethonal or regular, I don;t keep track, just dump the lowest price gas when I pull up to the pump.  Hoser
 

[Ricky-D]

Around here (South Carolina) dealers have a choice of fuel they are going to sell.

More and more I see signs advertising NON ETHANOL GASOLINE at gas stations from mom and pop types to national brands.

Just this week, two more station put up signs.

I guess the business is bad for stations that sell ethanol enriched gasoline and they are seeing the light.

Hooorah

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[Hoser]

There are no ethanol only stations in Kansas that I am aware of, in fact I think there may be more without than with. Like I said, whichever one is cheapest I dump in the tank. I don't check milage very often,  I never noticed much difference. I thinks speed, wind conditions and riding style affect gas milage much more than whether you use ethanol or not.     Hoser

[fstsix]

6 carbs and here we are again bitching about fuel mileage LOL!!! sorry guys just could not help myself  Back to original post on E10, I had the opportunity last week of doing a Dyno pull, so i went to a Fuel station down the street that carries Cam 2 110 racing leaded fuel, filled up my Gas Can drained my tank and refilled it....Let me tell you if this was the Super we put in our Family 66 GTO back in the day, Life was GOOD back then!! Only 8 bucks a gallon! But yes big difference using REAL Gasoline and not corn syrup, The Marine industries are paying He!! with boats and water in fuel issues, just Google E10 marine or Utube Nobody got anything good to say about it but Al Gore.   

So what did the dyno show, this was on ethonal or regular, I don;t keep track, just dump the lowest price gas when I pull up to the pump.  Hoser
 

Stock back in 2002 (non E10)=98.6 HP...100 Lb torque..2010... Non (E10) 143 HP 120 Lb torque 

[Hoser]

Got a blower?  Obviously need the good stuff when modified, I'd use the highest I could get also, If I wasn't stock.  Nice numbers.

Hoser

[fstsix]

Hoser, looking hard at your Dyno, 98.9 ? or 96.9 looks like 98.. great #'s also! talking with the Dr Dyno years back he said at that time i was one of the first Valks on his Dyno to break 90HP, Dag is over 100 and Black pearl, I guess to stay on topic here, Running more Ign Advance will require better octane witch in turn you can add more fuel to a point, I am waiting for more Parts from Sudco for the 45 Mikuni and Vintage Performance for a Modified float bowl with a Enlarged eccel pump, I was only able to do a couple pulls when it was oblivious the Main jet is still to small, and still a slight hesitation at roll on in 5th due to excell nozzle too small, but i have never had it on the Dyno with the Blower and i was more interested in the AFR at top end, the Tech that did the pull agreed with some minor adjustments she would be 150+ here is a Email for custom work on the Mikuni that was ordered.>>> First suggestion is to go a larger needle jet like the Z-0.
Since larger accel pump jets than the 70 are not available you can try drilling it out.
Get a set of small numbered drills and measure their size in mm's. Start with the equivalent of the 70 size and go larger to 75 then 80.
You might need to increase the size of the accel pump plunger, which we do on all of our supercharged applications. The float bowl is rebuilt around a plunger that is 50% bigger in size. Out of stock right now, but more should be done before the end of the month.
 
Regards,
John
Vintage Performance Developments  http://www.v-performance.com/products/air_fuel.html#mikuni_hsr_series_carbs

[Hoser]

Took the pic with a cell phone, kinda fuzzy. it is 98.9 Hp  97.7  torque  hoser 

[Dirty Dave]

I have a He!! of a time starting my 97 Valk whenever I use gas w/ ethanol.
Instead of starting with just a stab at the starter button, I have to crank the
crap out it and sometimes hold the starter button down while the engine sputters
and tries to catch. Night & day difference!

[Ricky-D]

I have a He!! of a time starting my 97 Valk whenever I use gas w/ ethanol.
Instead of starting with just a stab at the starter button, I have to crank the
crap out it and sometimes hold the starter button down while the engine sputters
and tries to catch. Night & day difference!

Is this with a cold (relatively) or hot (relatively) motor?

A little pop of the throttle will usually do the trick in these circumstances.

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