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I'm in the market for a new .45. Any opinions? My NRA insurance said they will cover the stolen gun.  Police told me today that they hit a bunch of houses, the same MO, hand guns and jewelry...  Need opinions on a good gun safe too. |
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 04:12:37 PM » |
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What did you have that was stolen?
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 04:18:57 PM » |
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Thats a heart breaker.
I'd suggest the heaviest safe you can get. Mine weighs 1581lbs empty.
A friend of mine had his bolted to the floor. They took it.
If the mythical "They" want it, its a goner.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 04:36:45 PM » |
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Oh I thought you wrote safe gun, sorry.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 05:28:02 PM » |
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What did you have that was stolen?
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I HAD a Taurus PT945 I didn't like carrying it, too bulky. but it was my home defense gun. They took the gun but left the ammo, so since I still have a few hundred rounds of .45... |
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 05:36:37 PM » |
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Kimber...pick the one you like  |
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 05:49:29 PM » |
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Jeff, I think you wrote that you lost a Taurus 945.... I have one of those and it is a very good and reliable firearm (a bit of a copy of a Sig). It may not be a full-house 1911, but mine has never had a failure with any ammo and is very decently accurate. I also like the fact you can go double action from hammer down, or cocked and locked, and it has an active safety which most do not. I am thinking the insurance payoff may not cover a more expensive pistol. IMHO, there is no finer 1911 than Kimber, and my preference there is the "pro" series 4" barrels. http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/compactprocarry/pro_carry_II/Next, I would take a very close look at the newer Springfield XD .45 (over any .45 Glock). http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=69 You can't go wrong with a Sig P220, but you'd probably have to find one used to break even on the insurance payoff. http://www.sigsauer.com/products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=94As for gun safes, I would first do a canvas of all the good Lock and Safe companies within say 100-150 mile radius of your home, looking for a good quality used multigun rifle/pistol safe that they will deliver as part of the price. I am thinking you should be able to find something for only 2/3 of new prices. I'd also canvas all major local cities CraigsList (I can't stand Ebay, but.....) BTW, when I got my safe, I immediately dropped the riders I had to add to my homeowners ins for guns and jewelry. You do not want one of those stackable safes with thin walls because they can be breached with a fire ax. It is said a skilled carpenter can build hide-in-plain-sight hidey hole(s) in between studs in the wall that will not likely be found in a burglary, though there is no lock.... just well hidden. http://steelwatergunsafes.reachlocal.net/?utm_source=ReachLocal&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=ReachLocal%2BSearchhttp://www.sportsmansteelsafes.com/gun_safes_used.htmhttp://www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html |
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2010, 05:53:05 PM » |
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I have a friend who has his gun safe bolted to the wall through the back of the safe. Ya gotta get into the safe to get to the bolts.  My daddy always said, "Locks will keep an honest man out." |
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 06:26:48 PM » |
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On the .45, if you want a 1911 style for about the price of your old one, I'd look at the Taurus version of the 1911. It's a very nice 1911 style .45 for a good price. If money's no object, hands down get a Kimber...
If you're after a non-1911 style .45, I'd go with a Springfield Armory XD, either full size or compact, in .45... In fact, the XD with a rail mounted flashlight is what I have next to my bed...
On the safe - Size it for what you think you wanna secure long term, but most importantly make sure it's one you can bolt to the frame of the house and/or the foundation. Mind's bolted straight into the concrete of the foundation. It won't stop a determined thief, but it'd slow 'em down and they'd make a LOT of noise getting it out...
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2010, 07:00:22 PM » |
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Para Ordnance P14/45 LDA. I've had one as my primary home defense handgun for quite a few years. 14 rounds of 45ACP in the gun and a couple of extra full mags should take care of any security problem. It's an accurate gun and has never jammed after it was broken in except occasionally with hand-cast, lead semi-wadcutters. The gun can be dry fired endlessly without a snap-cap which in many ways is better practice than firing live rounds. I'm assuming the new ones are safe for dry-firing too. I was told by no less than Todd Jarret, their factory shooter that I could dry-fire mine endlessly and I have. They are made in single or double action. Mine is double action, the trigger feel is like a really well tuned revolver and it can be safely carried/stored hammer down on a loaded chamber. I'm sure the single actions are excellent too. It's by far my favorite handgun. Para http://www.paraord.com/A few Para Pistols http://www.paraord.com/new/product.phpPara catalog http://www.paraord.com/new/product_catalog.php |
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2010, 07:01:14 PM » |
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Kimber Crimson Carry It has the Crimson laser built into the grip. Small size makes it good for CCW
I've got an American Eagle (by Cannon) 36 gun safe. You can move it if you're man enough. And if you're man enough to do it, you don't need no stinkin' gun.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 07:47:09 PM » |
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"BTW, when I got my safe, I immediately dropped the riders I had to add to my homeowners ins for guns and jewelry." An NRA membership includes handgun insurance, no extra cost. Hoser |
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 08:15:14 PM » |
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For concealed carry:
Colt 45 Defender
S&W 1911 PD (commander) with Crimson Trace
For target shooting and home protection.
Colt GoldCup 45
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 10:18:30 PM » |
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Hard to beat the Sig Sauer P-220 IMHO. Non rail of course.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2010, 04:43:39 AM » |
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I have a Springfield Arms XD-40 and couldn't be happier (well, except that it is just a bit bulky for CCW on my thin frame.). I'd encourage you to check out the XD-45 or XD-45 compact.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2010, 05:53:50 AM » |
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My Glock 21 shoots like a dream, is easy to clean, works great when dirty or clean and eats even the poor reloads I load. it has no safeties to fumble with in a stressful situation and has a grip that is big enough to fit larger hands. My concealed carry is a Kahr PM 45. My friends with the fancy 45 1911 types spend more time cleaning them after shooting than they actually spend shooting.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2010, 06:20:05 AM » |
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You need to leave ONE gun at least out of the safe... if it's your home defense piece.
Personally, I prefer a pump shotgun for home defense. It makes A LOT of noise, hopefully scaring away burglers. Plus, they are DEVASTATING at home defense ranges, are hard to shoot yourself with (read someone that's not terribly familiar with firearms) ((Not you... but I do not know your wife's comfort level with them)) And shot doesn't pass thru too many walls killing people on the other side.
So for me... home defense is a shotgun. Handguns are for carrying outside the home.
I amnot a .45 guy... although I have been looking for one, sort of.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2010, 07:38:38 AM » |
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Para Ordnance P14/45 LDA. I've had one as my primary home defense handgun for quite a few years. 14 rounds of 45ACP in the gun and a couple of extra full mags should take care of any security problem. It's an accurate gun and has never jammed after it was broken in except occasionally with hand-cast, lead semi-wadcutters. The gun can be dry fired endlessly without a snap-cap which in many ways is better practice than firing live rounds. I'm assuming the new ones are safe for dry-firing too. I was told by no less than Todd Jarret, their factory shooter that I could dry-fire mine endlessly and I have. They are made in single or double action. Mine is double action, the trigger feel is like a really well tuned revolver and it can be safely carried/stored hammer down on a loaded chamber. I'm sure the single actions are excellent too. It's by far my favorite handgun. Para http://www.paraord.com/A few Para Pistols http://www.paraord.com/new/product.phpPara catalog http://www.paraord.com/new/product_catalog.php I also own the same para very happy with it ,but would like to add somthing with a smaller frame to carry. |
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2010, 07:43:20 AM » |
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The only semi that I will carry is a Glock; no matter what caliber. Other than that, a Smith & Wesson wheel gun. They both never fail to fire. MHO
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2010, 08:02:23 AM » |
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Ya know, reading this post tells me one thing.
There are alot of experts and enlightned opinions for folks, like me, who dont own any guns.
.45 for hand gun. 12 ga with dimes cut in half for the gimme.
Soooo non pc, but they did come for the money. I'm here to help.
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2010, 08:48:11 AM » |
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Kimber...pick the one you like This. You can go from plain to fancy. All depends on how much you want to spend. Marty |
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2010, 08:52:31 AM » |
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"BTW, when I got my safe, I immediately dropped the riders I had to add to my homeowners ins for guns and jewelry." An NRA membership includes handgun insurance, no extra cost. Hoser Yes it does but it is limited. Iirc, $1000. That wouldn't even begin to cover one of my competition guns. Marty |
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2010, 09:26:42 AM » |
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12 ga with dimes cut in half for the gimme. Don't EVEN think about doing this. If you don't end up in prison some lawyer is going to show a jury in a lawsuit that you so devalued human life that you made your own ammo to be more devastating. Just buy some good 2 3/4" buckshot. Marty |
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2010, 09:39:22 AM » |
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"BTW, when I got my safe, I immediately dropped the riders I had to add to my homeowners ins for guns and jewelry." An NRA membership includes handgun insurance, no extra cost. Hoser Yes it does but it is limited. Iirc, $1000. That wouldn't even begin to cover one of my competition guns. Marty You can add to that free policy to up the covered amount. |
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2010, 09:40:56 AM » |
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I am aware of that but Hoser's post made it sound like it was all you needed.
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2010, 09:48:52 AM » |
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If you want a 1911, Kimber or Springfield Armory.
I am not a Glock fan, they don't fit my paws well. I have shot a XD in 45 and it was reasonably accurate. Dont care for the trigger mush on either. However it is a personal choice.
I think if you go for a budget pistol then it is hit and miss. I have a 240.00 Auto Ord 1911 that feeds anything and shoots well under the govt requirements for the 1911 and I would depend on it. I know of 2 less than stellar examples of AO 1911's. One was fixed with a few aftermarket drop in parts and 27.00 worth of gunsmithing, the other was traded off.
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2010, 12:26:56 PM » |
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I heard there are two kinds of Glock Owners. Those that have had accidental discharges... and those that are GOING to have accidental discharges. I even know an LEO that had on INSIDE the police station.
I am NOT a Glock fan. That siad... nowhere do I imply that glocks are bad... or wrong for someone that likes them.
As I would never tell a guy what bike to ride... I won't disparage a breed of gun. I'll just say... I, me, Jabba, am not a fan.
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2010, 12:31:55 PM » |
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Kimber the finest?hmmm, What about Wilson's,Ed Brown's,Fusion's, Nighthawks,Volkman's and a Springfield TRP Operator. Take any one of those over a Kimber especially when it comes to their customer service.....
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2010, 01:11:32 PM » |
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I heard there are two kinds of Glock Owners. Those that have had accidental discharges... and those that are GOING to have accidental discharges. I even know an LEO that had on INSIDE the police station.
I haven't seen or heard of any accidental discharge, I have heard of plenty of negligent discharges though. Glocks are OK and as safe as any other firearm, meaning you wont shoot yourself or someone you shouldn't if you keep your brain engaged. IMHO they are NOT a firearm for a novice. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2010, 04:31:47 PM » |
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Kimber the finest?hmmm, What about Wilson's,Ed Brown's,Fusion's, Nighthawks,Volkman's and a Springfield TRP Operator. Take any one of those over a Kimber especially when it comes to their customer service..... IMHO Kimber IS the best production 1911 available for the price(s). Now the custom guns from the makers you mention are very good pistols, but generally $2K and up per copy...... custom not production. I have never been able to afford $2K for one 1911. |
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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2010, 05:09:19 PM » |
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I have the XDM 40. I know that you wanted 45 to use the ammo, but check out the Springfield 45.
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2010, 05:11:49 PM » |
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Check out the 1911forum.com and that will give you a great sample of opinions on a multitude of different 1911 variants. I can be a bit biased since I had a Kimber(cdp) i think,3" sub compact that jammed all the time,I know 3"s can be tough but working with Kimbers service I'd rather drill holes thru my head,ended up selling it........
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