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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 08:25:57 PM » |
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As with MOST Presidents (all in my lifetime save one), he is neither the hero nor the villain that he is portrayed as. I think at heart, Bush Jr. is a good man. I disagree with many of the things he did, and agree with others, but at heart, I think he is an honorable man.
I cant say I feel the same with our current President. Time may change my thoughts, but I highly doubt it.
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"Continuing to discuss Katrina, Bush said he should have sent federal troops to help with security in New Orleans sooner, but was waiting for authority from Louisiana state government."
Well Bush did not send troops to secure the border although he sort of started the fence for awhile
then here is obama did not send federal trops to secure the border even though state governments are begging
and has the audacity of hope to sue state government for using their authority to put their finger in the dyke of illegal immigration
(note to spelling police dike and dyke both mean levee)
just saying IRONY is all around us
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
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The whole thing about Katrina is a joke. Who in their right mind would want to live 11’ below sea level, next to the ocean!!! I would assume that if I was told by the government “we will provide for you, and protect you” all my life, that would make it more believable. But seriously, if I lived next to an asbestos plant, and I get lung cancer, IT WOULD BE MY FAULT FOR NOT MOVING!!
Man I hate stupid people.
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
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I agree with Sludge. I didn't agree with all his politics... but I believe him to be genuine.
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
Politics and religion will continue to provide a reliable venue for those who choose to constantly interpret data to draw a conclusion they have already decided in advance. This has been clear to me for quite a while and has only been reinforced by the predictable responses from people regarding Harry Reid's infamous "light-skinned" African-American "with no negro dialect" statement; and President Obama's statement that "marriage is between a man and a woman". The consummate demagogue will always save their response until they see whose mouth utters the words, the speaker's intent, honorable or disgusting, is solely contingent on whether they are a political adversary. This is not something new, it has been been policy well before any of our lifetimes. As much as people publicly decry wars.....historically mankind has all too frequently found that this is the only way to address one of mankind's biggest failings. In my humble opinion I don't see history changing course fast enough. As far as presidents rehabilitating their image, this has been the case since George Washington. It has been 30 years, and Jimmy Carter is still campaigning.....once again his success or failure largely seems to depend on the political perspective of the person issuing his/her opinion. |
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He gave us the Patriot Act. Enough said. Well, not quite. Did I say he was a war monger like his dad, grand dad, and great grandfather? And that he increased the national debt two fold? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ |
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 05:59:46 AM » |
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As with MOST Presidents (all in my lifetime save one), he is neither the hero nor the villain that he is portrayed as. I think at heart, Bush Jr. is a good man. I disagree with many of the things he did, and agree with others, but at heart, I think he is an honorable man.
I cant say I feel the same with our current President. Time may change my thoughts, but I highly doubt it.
I think Sludge makes a good point. There are certain things I liked and disliked about all of our presidents. Bill Clinton is a case in point. I was not a big fan of Bill Clinton for a variety of reasons, some because of ideology some because of the way he handled (lied under oath) when his private life was unfairly put on public display. Above all of this, I always had to respect Bubba's intellect....there is little doubt in my mind that he had the greatest intellect of any president since Thomas Jefferson. |
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
SE, Are you here in the states??? PLease please please do not use "this"...have you read his book? Always with the negative waves...read the book and then see if your views have changed. The United States is my country. I'll use whatever terms I deem appropriate. Hard not to be negative when it comes to Bush. Wars. Lies. Deceit. Deficits. Runaway, corrupt investment banks. Where's the positives? Have you ever been out of the US? You know... Europe, South America, Asia, Africa? |
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I totally disagree with Bush and his politics....however I do believe he felt it was an honor to be president and I do believe as with most presidents he did what he thought was right for the country. Presidents are influenced by the people/advisors around them. He was no different. History will take off the rough edges of his presidency just like it has for many of our presidents. I will read the book as soon as I can get it....
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
SE, Are you here in the states??? PLease please please do not use "this"...have you read his book? Always with the negative waves...read the book and then see if your views have changed. The United States is my country. I'll use whatever terms I deem appropriate. Hard not to be negative when it comes to Bush. Wars. Lies. Deceit. Deficits. Runaway, corrupt investment banks. Where's the positives? Have you ever been out of the US? You know... Europe, South America, Asia, Africa? Hard not to be negative when it comes to Obama. Wars. Lies. Deceit. Deficits. Runaway, corrupt investment banks. Where's the positives? |
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The United States is my country. I'll use whatever terms I deem appropriate.
Hard not to be negative when it comes to Bush. Wars. Lies. Deceit. Deficits. Runaway, corrupt investment banks. Where's the positives?
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"my"??? How about our??? There is too much "me" in your post...
I have been all over the world...and i will tell you this...the US is the place to be. Love it or leave...your guys is not doing much better, well he is spending more.
Do you bad mouth our country in the country you currently reside? I would have to imagine you do.
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"Continuing to discuss Katrina, Bush said he should have sent federal troops to help with security in New Orleans sooner, but was waiting for authority from Louisiana state government."
I want everyone who blamed Bush for Katrina to read that line...
Now read it again, slowly... ... ... ...
I said this when it was actually happening. I was in Lafayette during it all... watching the refugees fill into town.
You want someone to blame for slow response?? Try Nagin and/or Blanco for NOT giving Bush clearance sooner. Bush offered... they said they could handle it... they were wrong.
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Do you bad mouth our country in the country you currently reside? I would have to imagine you do. Can you read? Who's 'badmouthing the country'? I am badmouthing Bush and the policies that brought this country to its knees with an unnecessary war, the largest expansion of the deficit ever, and a financial crisis that nearly brought on a world depression (and may still yet, with the same set of clowns back in the House). |
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
with all due respect, what brought this country to it's knees was a series of events that cannot be attributed to any one person. Starting with a horrible attack on our country by terrorists because of our support of Israel. This was devastating to our economy. This started a war, and as I recall the VAST majority of both houses of congress voted for, Democrats and Republicans alike. Oh yeah, we won the war and Iraq is now free. Now if you really want to know who to blame for the big bank failure, just ask yourself who in CONGRESS had control over fanny may/Freddie mac, and who created the environment that demanded banks lend money to folks (who otherwise wouldn't qualify without big brother FORCING it) who had a high risk of failure. The moment the government started telling banks to loan money to persons who shouldn't otherwise get these loans, and then turning around and buying these loans from the banks (that is what Freddie mac and Fannie May did) we were on the road to despair. WHO is responsible for THAT policy? HMMMMMM........ (here is a hint, it wasn't Bush) /rant off |
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Oh yeah, we won the war and Iraq is now free.
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If you truly believe that, then you have the strongest pair of rose-colored glasses I've ever seen and the least enquiring mind I've ever known. American and coalition soldiers are still being killed by insurgents at an alarming rate. I know this because, as a Patriot Guard Rider, I keep attending their funerals. Very few areas of Baghdad are secure, even with heavily armed patrols in the streets day and night. We have managed to give them at least a few "American' ideals - there have been some elections (which only had limited success and that was due to the fact that the polling places were made into armed camps so citizens could vote) and the Imams and Mullahs have the freedom of speech and religion to spout their anti-American, anti-democratic ideology daily from their mosques. Iraq has not been free (as you and I think of it, USA-style) in all of recorded history. They have always been ruled by kings or other monarchs, tyrannical despots or religious zealots (sometimes all at the same time!). Yeah, the war's over and Iraq's free, all right..... |
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Do you bad mouth our country in the country you currently reside? I would have to imagine you do. Can you read? Who's 'badmouthing the country'? I am badmouthing Bush and the policies that brought this country to its knees with an unnecessary war, the largest expansion of the deficit ever, and a financial crisis that nearly brought on a world depression (and may still yet, with the same set of clowns back in the House). you slay me....Who was running the house and senate when all of this stuff went down? It is easy to point and place blame at the person that has dufferent beliefs than you. Yes Bush was in office when this stuff went down...and only a fool believes that the president if responsible for every thing that happens when they are in office. If the rebublicans had control of the house and senate along with the presidency, then you may have a point. I know conservatives are not known for giving things to people that do not work for it...What has Barry done in the last two years while the Dems had control of both the house and senate? |
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I'm glad that George and Kanye kissed and made up...sorta. With the war and natural disaster and the economy imploding, he says in his book that the low point in his presidency was when a hip-hopper said he didn't care about black folks. Racist or not is not the issue but how his image was attacked. That was his low point? Not what was happening to the troops and their families or the people dying in the New Orleans Super dome but his public image. Self centered maybe? On the bright side, he still has that picture of himself dressed in flight uniform on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln with his jaw cocked facing his sailors. Napoleon on his white horse would have been envious.
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Bush's book would have been better named, "Deception Points", a self serving piece of claptrap, designed to rehabilitate the president who brought this country to its knees. History will not be kind to Bush.
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Oh yeah, we won the war and Iraq is now free.
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If you truly believe that, then you have the strongest pair of rose-colored glasses I've ever seen and the least enquiring mind I've ever known. American and coalition soldiers are still being killed by insurgents at an alarming rate. I know this because, as a Patriot Guard Rider, I keep attending their funerals. Very few areas of Baghdad are secure, even with heavily armed patrols in the streets day and night. We have managed to give them at least a few "American' ideals - there have been some elections (which only had limited success and that was due to the fact that the polling places were made into armed camps so citizens could vote) and the Imams and Mullahs have the freedom of speech and religion to spout their anti-American, anti-democratic ideology daily from their mosques. Iraq has not been free (as you and I think of it, USA-style) in all of recorded history. They have always been ruled by kings or other monarchs, tyrannical despots or religious zealots (sometimes all at the same time!). Yeah, the war's over and Iraq's free, all right..... Of course Iraq is not, nor will they ever be free USA-style, what I meant and didn't say very well was that they had free elections, and they have been liberated from an evil maniac who killed people in the thousands. He was as evil as it comes. Now that isn't why we went. It was part of the reason. We went mainly (my opinion) due to the perceived threat of Terrorists getting their hands on Nuclear weapons that our intelligence as well as that of a few other countries believed to be in Iraq. When Saddam kicked out the inspectors it was just gas on the fire (pun intended). Had the threat of the nukes not been there would things have been different? Maybe. Was is a mistake to go? I personally don't think so. This was a very difficult time with difficult decisions to be made, and I believe that our congress and our president made the correct decision given the information at hand at the time. Why do people try and turn very, very complicated issues into things like, "Bush is evil, he wanted to deceive us so the oil companies could profit." (just and example of what has been said in the past, not saying anyone in this thread said this)? My point in this was that Bush didn't act alone, he had the full backing of over 84% of the american people, and the vast majority of both houses of congress, as well as several coalition countries and even Russia as I recall. Congress voted to go to war. That's all I am saying. Oh and yes, I am very well aware that our soldiers are in harms way. IF the Muslims wouldn't threaten and attack the USA, then this wouldn't be an issue. The only options I see (and I know this is simple) ; stay over there and fight their Jihad on their land OR bring all our troops home, lock all the doors and windows of the good 'ol USA and fight their Jihad on OUR land. This is my opinion, I am not a super genius with all the answers nor do I claim to have stayed in a holiday inn. |
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when it comes to Bush. Wars. Lies. Deceit. I suppose the lies and deceit you speak of are about Saddam's attempts to gain yellowcake uranium? You do know they DID find a pile of the stuff... The news didnt really carry the story though. http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-07/us/iraq.uranium_1_yellowcake-uranium-cameco?_s=PM:US |
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Truth?!? Some can't handle the truth! I think some people think yellowcake is made by Duncan Hines. Anyway, I have always found President Bush to be up front and honest. He doesn't list his detractors and democrats as "enemies" as our current POTUS has done. I never heard him ever say that such and such a movement was misguided (as our current POTUS has done in regards to the TEA Party). Also, Bush never said that the American people were angry and not thinking clearly (as our current POTUS has done). He also never said anything to the effect of "I haven't explained myself or policies clear enough to the people" (translation, you all are too dumb to understand MY superior intellect and position). Bush never came across as an elitest, as our current POTUS continues to do. And at least Bush was more than just a community organizer, actually had a real governing job elected by the people, and didn't have former members of the Weather Underground helping him get elected. The only true thing that Obama has said in recent weeks is that his party took a shellacking. At least he understands that. But, it's all 'cause we subjects, er I mean citizens, are angry and ain't thinking clearly. |
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Well the housing thing was brought on by the Sub Prime Mortgages(Loans to folks who really were
not good candidates for the loans they recieved) and that goes back to Dems and Carter.
That being said, Bush tried to move legislation onward to head it off at the pass.
Greenspan told many this beforehand.
Just saying for instance that according to SE bush brought it down with a Democratic congress in
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So you say Bush brought it down.
With Obama in there, his policies would in theory now keep us on our knees in purpetuity.
Forever in other words , with cap and tax and burdening taxes that keep small businesses in the red
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But that will not happen now that dems lost big time .
A governor of sorts has been put on the most liberal president of these United States.
That may be too late as well with the biggest spending spree in the history of the world.
What a bunch of loons turned out this stupid program of Medical Ruin and
bailouts from hell.
My God who voted for this maniac.
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Do you bad mouth our country in the country you currently reside? I would have to imagine you do. Can you read? Who's 'badmouthing the country'? I am badmouthing Bush and the policies that brought this country to its knees with an unnecessary war, the largest expansion of the deficit ever, and a financial crisis that nearly brought on a world depression (and may still yet, with the same set of clowns back in the House). It really comes down to perspectives (political) and where your attitudes are. You badmouth President Bush in every political post. I tend to be more conservative in my views and see President Bush from a different perspective. I don't agree with every decision he made but, I didn't and don't have access to the information he had at the time. On the other side of the coin, I can see where President Obama wants to take our country and I see a thrid world nation at the end of that road. I won't try to change your mind on President Bush but, open your eyes to what President Obama is doing to this great nation you claim. blackrams |
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Ruffled Feathers you slay me....Who was running the house and senate when all of this stuff went down? The Republiclowns had both the Senate and the House when this came down. Why don't you check your history? How far back in history would you want me to look? The Dems took over the house and Senate in 2006...I do not know the exact date when the crap hit the fan....but if my memory serves...I would say it was about 12 to 14 months after. So I see you point...I will blame Bush too...  |
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Ruffled Feathers you slay me....Who was running the house and senate when all of this stuff went down? The Republiclowns had both the Senate and the House when this came down. Why don't you check your history? How far back in history would you want me to look? The Dems took over the house and Senate in 2006...I do not know the exact date when the crap hit the fan....but if my memory serves...I would say it was about 12 to 14 months after. So I see you point...I will blame Bush too... Big Rig,,You got it! Bout 6 months after this News article came out the Demotions took over the house,,4.7 unemployment with the Repub's in the house...It has now been 4 L...O...N...G... years with a Demcrapic Stronghold...  http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/03/news/economy/jobs_january/index.htm |
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