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« on: November 11, 2010, 05:17:01 AM » |
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I have the heel/toe shift linkage. I have adjusted the, lets call it the outside linkage a tooth or two. I had moved it counter clockwise and it shifted better. Lately I started missing 2nd. gear again. I went and adjusted the outside teeth another tooth and went for a ride. I couldn't hit 2nd gear at all.
My question is 1. do I have to move it a few teeth the other direction (clockwise) or 2. have I been moving the wrong adjustment? Should I have moved the teeth at the transmission shaft NOT the outside linkage teeth?
I have been afraid to move the transmission shaft adjustment but maybe I shouldn't have been. Any help? The weather has been spectacular so I wanted to take a ride today so any help will be appreciated.
Bill
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Red Diamond
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 06:46:44 AM » |
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What type of heel/toe shifter do you have? Maybe post a pic of the shifter and linkage. I have the Kuryakyn heel/toe shifter and adjusted mine at the transmission shaft once I got the length of the shifter linkage correct.
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blackvalk
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 05:07:02 PM » |
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I have the Rattlebars Heel/Toe shifter.
I did adjust the outside splines counter clockwise and only missed one or so shifts today. It felt much more possitive after the adjustment. I might go one more spline just to see if it helps or hurts.
Do you think I should play with the splines located at the transmission shaft?
Bill
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OverdueBill
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 11:12:42 PM » |
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I have the rattlebars model also. I have been up and down the splines with the shift lever. Shimed in and out to get a good alignment. It works ok. Doesn't upshift smoothly as my VTX. I use a firm heel pressure to get it to shift up. It will go in but not quickly. Down shift is nice and slick. If it doesn't get better next riding season, off it comes. I do have the relocation kit also. I think I am missing something. Maybe someone can clue us in on the final tweaking. Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 05:03:57 AM » |
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You know, the odd thing is the way the heel shift peg is so far from where I place my foot on the foot peg. When I push down to shift, I'm putting pressure on the curved part of the metal, not the shift peg itself. I feel like the downward pressure is not being transferred to the shift lever like it should be.
My guess and I haven't ever asked rattlebars is, the curved part of the heel portion is bent that way to accommodates a variety of muffler systems.
Do you have the same problem?
Bill
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 09:03:16 AM » |
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I "mash" on the curved part some. Thought that might be the problem so I made an effort to move my heel outward to use just the peg portion. No joy. It shifts but not as slick as just using the original setup. Not so much a problem when I am puttering around but when you need to run through the gears, it's a slower process. I see "slop" in the shift linkage and think that the kickshift causes it to bind somewhat. Don't see a way to remedy it.
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blackvalk
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 12:17:46 PM » |
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I actually went to a welding shop to see if they could move the peg inward. I too have to force myself to move my foot outward to hit the actual peg.
Whenver I miss 2nd. gear I always check to see where my foot is appying the pressure. Usually it's too far inside.
I thought it was just me! But, I love and do not want to give up the heel/toe shifting.
Bill
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R J
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 05:14:31 PM » |
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Do a search on this web site on shifters.
I've had Chet's heel/toe from about his 1st batch made.
I do have Cobra floorboards, but I have not missed a gear since and I use the little Harley pegs I installed instead of the ones Chet sent with the kit.
I also changed the transmission linkage to another model from Honda.
I can never remember the model it came off of, the reason I said do a search.
You will be looking for a post by RJ.
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blackvalk
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 05:23:00 AM » |
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RJ, Thanks for the info! I searched for awhile and got some good info. It's amazing how much time I cans spend researching finite details.
It encouraged me to go out and play with some adjustments. What do I have to loose if I mark the original spline location.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 06:22:55 AM » |
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I've had both the Kury and the rattlebars heel/toe shifters and did not like the way either of them worked even after several adjustments.
Both my Valks now use the shifter from a Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird. Haven't missed a shift on either bike since these shifters were installed,.....and it gives a less complex and cleaner look.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 08:55:08 AM » |
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Momz,
It's only been this morning that you and RJ mentioned the CBR1100xx Blackbird shifter so it is completely new to me. I searched it on line and found an adjustable peg. Is that what you are directing me to?
I know I don't have the ability to post a picture but is it possible for you to show me a shot of your shift mechanism? Do you still have the heel/toe shift even with the Blackbird part?
Bill
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OverdueBill
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 09:09:10 AM » |
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I have the cobra floorboards also. Also have the harley pegs on the kickshifter. Did the BigBF shift lever peg mod. It looks nice enough, just doesn't work as well as I wish. There is a lot of flex in several directions on the long shaft between the lever and tranny. Pics of the blackbird shifter would be great. As many people here have this kickshifter, it has to work better than mine or we'd hear more negative comments. More tweaking required. Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2010, 11:23:19 AM » |
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Is the CBR1100xx shifter longer than the Valk shifter? and thereby making the shift more effective?
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2010, 11:42:52 AM » |
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Blackbird shifter has a little different angle from the dangle.
I'll check around and see if I can come up with a part # for ya.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2010, 11:49:42 AM » |
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OverdueBill
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 07:10:32 PM » |
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With my relocation mod, the shift lever peg was tight in the end of the slot on the kickshifter. I had to move the peg on the original shift lever towards the tranny shaft about an inch to get a little more clearance in the kickshifter slot. The blackbird lever looks like it would move the lever peg out and back toward the floorboard. If the relocation kit is causing the problems, then I'll have to lose the kickshifter. The relocation kit and floorboards allow my bad knees enough forward movement to be able to ride the valk. I thought this relocation/kickshifter combo was a common mod on valks. I'm just not seeing where my problem is. The shaft out of the tranny that the shift lever mounts on has a bit of 360 movement. Is this normal? I think if it was not flexing, the shift motion would work much better.
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